Trayvon Martin
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http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/15/2 ... -case.html
Witnesses in Trayvon Martin death heard cries before shot
Witnesses say they believe Trayvon Martin cried for help just before he was shot by a watch captain
The Martin family (relatives of Trayvon Martin, the Miami teen who was killed by a neighborhood watch captain in Sanford) came to the Miami Herald newsroom for an interview on March 15, 2012.
MIAMI HERALD STAFF
The Martin family remembers Trayvon
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BY FRANCES ROBLES
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SANFORD -- They heard the desperate wail of a child, a gunshot, and then silence.
Trayvon Martin, 17, died Feb. 26 in a dark pathway some 20 minutes after a neighborhood watch volunteer called police saying he thought a young stranger looked suspicious. It was raining, and the volunteer thought the kid in the hoodie walked too slow and peeked in windows.
Three witnesses contacted by The Miami Herald say they saw or heard the moments before and after the Miami Gardens teenager’s killing. All three said they heard the last howl for help from a despondent boy, and believe the sequence of sounds shatters the notion that Trayvon was killed in self-defense.
Police have not moved from their official statement of the shooting. But as the controversy grows, so does the number of voices disputing the official version that watch captain George Zimmerman gave to police: that the six-foot, three-inch, 140-pound teen assaulted him when Zimmerman, 28, tried to question him. In fear for his life, he pulled Kel Tek 9mm handgun from his waistband and shot.
From Facebook to Twitter and online petitions, local police and prosecutors are getting tens of thousands of demands for criminal charges as the national media shines a spotlight on a small, racially diverse central Florida town with a history of police tension. There are now more and more calls for the U.S. Department of Justice to intervene and try to answer: What really happened to Trayvon Martin?
“I heard someone crying — not boo-hoo crying, but scared or terrified or hurt maybe,” said Mary Cutcher, 31, who lives in the Retreat at Twin Lakes townhome community where the shooting occurred. “To me, it was a child.”
Zimmerman said he tailed Trayvon in a mission to find out if the teen was up to no good. Zimmerman was out to put a stop to recent burglaries. He dialed police — his 46th call in the past 14 months to report shady people, reckless drivers and other disturbances around his neighborhood.
He offered to follow his suspect, but the dispatcher told him: “We don’t need you to do that.”
Some minutes later, Trayvon was killed with a gun the watch volunteer was licensed to carry.
“This was not self-defense,” Cutcher said. “We heard no fighting, no wrestling, no punching. We heard a boy crying. As soon as the shot went off, it stopped, which tells me it was the child crying. If it had been Zimmerman crying, it wouldn’t have stopped. If you’re hurting, you’re hurting.”
She and her friend say they heard the sounds from a few steps away, where they were inside beside an open window. Seconds later, they dashed out to find a boy face down on the ground and a man standing over him, a foot on each side of the body on the ground, with his hands pinning the shooting victim down.
“I asked him, ‘What’s happening here? What’s going on?’ ” said Cutcher’s friend, Selma Mora Lamilla. “The third time, I was indignant, and he said, ‘just call the police.’ Then I saw him with his hands over his head in the universal sign of: ‘Oh man, I messed up.’ ”
The women, who were the first on the scene, said they saw Zimmerman pacing back and forth.
“I know what I heard. I heard a cry and a shot,” Mora said. “If there was a fight, it did not happen here where the boy was shot. I would have heard it, as this all happened right outside my open window.”
The women think there may well have been a physical altercation between the two, but it must have taken place in a different spot, where Zimmerman perhaps had a chance to compose himself and draw his weapon.
Cutcher was one of eight or nine 911 callers that night but she said investigators dismissed her, and a detective failed to follow up with her. Both women said police seemed very blasé.
“Mr. Zimmerman’s claim is that the confrontation was initiated by Trayvon,” Police Chief Bill Lee said in an interview. “I am not going into specifics of what led to the violent physical encounter witnessed by residents. All the physical evidence and testimony we have independent of what Mr. Zimmerman provides corroborates this claim to self-defense.”
To claim self-defense, someone has to show there was danger of great bodily harm or death, Lee said. “Zimmerman had injuries consistent with his story,” Lee said.
Zimmerman had a damp shirt, grass stains, a bloody nose and was bleeding from a wound in back of his head, according to police reports.
“If someone asks you, ‘Hey do you live here?’ is it OK for you to jump on them and beat the crap out of somebody?” Lee said. “It’s not.”
A neighborhood eighth-grader out walking his dog said his family also called 911.
“I saw someone lying on the ground, and I heard screaming,” said Austin, 13, whose mother asked that his last name not be published. “I don’t know that it was the person on the [ground] who was screaming, but to me it sounded like a kid who was crying. It was a yell for help, and I think it was Trayvon.”
Austin wasn’t sure if the person was in a fight or had slipped and gotten hurt. Austin’s boxer puppy got off the leash so the boy went chasing after the dog and lost sight of the scene for a moment. Then, he heard a gun go off.
He ran home and told his sister to call the police.
The boy, who is black, has been rattled ever since. He feels angry and disconcerted, and wonders whether he’s at risk too.
“That people can stereotype like that makes you scared,” he said.
Austin’s mom said he’s been acting out in school and seems mad all the time.
“My son has a terrible feeling of guilt, because he did not do anything to help. He’s angry,” said Austin’s mother, Cheryl Brown. “They are saying that Trayvon looked suspicious, because he was walking slow. So I guess I have to tell my son: make sure you always run fast.”
Lee released a statement Thursday disputing Cutcher’s account, saying it differed from what she originally told police, which she angrily denies.
Cutcher originally gave police a statement that matched Zimmerman’s account, said police spokesman Sgt. David Morgenstern.
Sanford’s Police Chief Lee is “asking the public and the media to give the system the opportunity to work, in the interest of safety of the community,” Morgenstern said.
Zimmerman, whose whereabouts are unknown, was not charged, and the case is now under review by the Brevard Seminole state attorney’s office. Local and national black leaders have rallied around the incident as the latest example of a double standard of justice in what they consider a case of racial profiling.
On Thursday, Zimmerman’s father hand-delivered a letter to the Orlando Sentinel, disputing widely repeated version of events, saying his Spanish-speaking son is not a racist.
“The media reports of the events are imaginary at best. At no time did George follow or confront Mr. Martin,” Robert Zimmerman wrote. “When the true details of the event become public, and I hope that will be soon, everyone should be outraged by the treatment of George Zimmerman in the media.”
A rally is planned for the Sanford City Council meeting March 26. Leaders are asking people to show up carrying Skittles, the candy Trayvon carried in his pocket when he died.
The witnesses say they are coming forward now because they were shocked when no arrest was made.
“They are protecting Zimmerman for some reason,” Trayvon’s mother Sybrina Fulton said in Miami. “They are protecting him and we feel that Trayvon is the victim.”
Lee said the matter needs to be taken to a grand jury as soon as possible.
“If the roles were reversed, our investigation would be exactly the same,” he said.
“Our investigation is color blind and based on the facts and circumstances, not color. I know I can say that until I am blue in the face, but as a white man in a uniform, I know it doesn’t mean anything to anybody.”
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/15/2 ... -case.html
Witnesses in Trayvon Martin death heard cries before shot
Witnesses say they believe Trayvon Martin cried for help just before he was shot by a watch captain
The Martin family (relatives of Trayvon Martin, the Miami teen who was killed by a neighborhood watch captain in Sanford) came to the Miami Herald newsroom for an interview on March 15, 2012.
MIAMI HERALD STAFF
The Martin family remembers Trayvon
Photos
BY FRANCES ROBLES
<!-- e --><a href="mailto:FROBLES@MIAMIHERALD.COM">FROBLES@MIAMIHERALD.COM</a><!-- e -->
SANFORD -- They heard the desperate wail of a child, a gunshot, and then silence.
Trayvon Martin, 17, died Feb. 26 in a dark pathway some 20 minutes after a neighborhood watch volunteer called police saying he thought a young stranger looked suspicious. It was raining, and the volunteer thought the kid in the hoodie walked too slow and peeked in windows.
Three witnesses contacted by The Miami Herald say they saw or heard the moments before and after the Miami Gardens teenager’s killing. All three said they heard the last howl for help from a despondent boy, and believe the sequence of sounds shatters the notion that Trayvon was killed in self-defense.
Police have not moved from their official statement of the shooting. But as the controversy grows, so does the number of voices disputing the official version that watch captain George Zimmerman gave to police: that the six-foot, three-inch, 140-pound teen assaulted him when Zimmerman, 28, tried to question him. In fear for his life, he pulled Kel Tek 9mm handgun from his waistband and shot.
From Facebook to Twitter and online petitions, local police and prosecutors are getting tens of thousands of demands for criminal charges as the national media shines a spotlight on a small, racially diverse central Florida town with a history of police tension. There are now more and more calls for the U.S. Department of Justice to intervene and try to answer: What really happened to Trayvon Martin?
“I heard someone crying — not boo-hoo crying, but scared or terrified or hurt maybe,” said Mary Cutcher, 31, who lives in the Retreat at Twin Lakes townhome community where the shooting occurred. “To me, it was a child.”
Zimmerman said he tailed Trayvon in a mission to find out if the teen was up to no good. Zimmerman was out to put a stop to recent burglaries. He dialed police — his 46th call in the past 14 months to report shady people, reckless drivers and other disturbances around his neighborhood.
He offered to follow his suspect, but the dispatcher told him: “We don’t need you to do that.”
Some minutes later, Trayvon was killed with a gun the watch volunteer was licensed to carry.
“This was not self-defense,” Cutcher said. “We heard no fighting, no wrestling, no punching. We heard a boy crying. As soon as the shot went off, it stopped, which tells me it was the child crying. If it had been Zimmerman crying, it wouldn’t have stopped. If you’re hurting, you’re hurting.”
She and her friend say they heard the sounds from a few steps away, where they were inside beside an open window. Seconds later, they dashed out to find a boy face down on the ground and a man standing over him, a foot on each side of the body on the ground, with his hands pinning the shooting victim down.
“I asked him, ‘What’s happening here? What’s going on?’ ” said Cutcher’s friend, Selma Mora Lamilla. “The third time, I was indignant, and he said, ‘just call the police.’ Then I saw him with his hands over his head in the universal sign of: ‘Oh man, I messed up.’ ”
The women, who were the first on the scene, said they saw Zimmerman pacing back and forth.
“I know what I heard. I heard a cry and a shot,” Mora said. “If there was a fight, it did not happen here where the boy was shot. I would have heard it, as this all happened right outside my open window.”
The women think there may well have been a physical altercation between the two, but it must have taken place in a different spot, where Zimmerman perhaps had a chance to compose himself and draw his weapon.
Cutcher was one of eight or nine 911 callers that night but she said investigators dismissed her, and a detective failed to follow up with her. Both women said police seemed very blasé.
“Mr. Zimmerman’s claim is that the confrontation was initiated by Trayvon,” Police Chief Bill Lee said in an interview. “I am not going into specifics of what led to the violent physical encounter witnessed by residents. All the physical evidence and testimony we have independent of what Mr. Zimmerman provides corroborates this claim to self-defense.”
To claim self-defense, someone has to show there was danger of great bodily harm or death, Lee said. “Zimmerman had injuries consistent with his story,” Lee said.
Zimmerman had a damp shirt, grass stains, a bloody nose and was bleeding from a wound in back of his head, according to police reports.
“If someone asks you, ‘Hey do you live here?’ is it OK for you to jump on them and beat the crap out of somebody?” Lee said. “It’s not.”
A neighborhood eighth-grader out walking his dog said his family also called 911.
“I saw someone lying on the ground, and I heard screaming,” said Austin, 13, whose mother asked that his last name not be published. “I don’t know that it was the person on the [ground] who was screaming, but to me it sounded like a kid who was crying. It was a yell for help, and I think it was Trayvon.”
Austin wasn’t sure if the person was in a fight or had slipped and gotten hurt. Austin’s boxer puppy got off the leash so the boy went chasing after the dog and lost sight of the scene for a moment. Then, he heard a gun go off.
He ran home and told his sister to call the police.
The boy, who is black, has been rattled ever since. He feels angry and disconcerted, and wonders whether he’s at risk too.
“That people can stereotype like that makes you scared,” he said.
Austin’s mom said he’s been acting out in school and seems mad all the time.
“My son has a terrible feeling of guilt, because he did not do anything to help. He’s angry,” said Austin’s mother, Cheryl Brown. “They are saying that Trayvon looked suspicious, because he was walking slow. So I guess I have to tell my son: make sure you always run fast.”
Lee released a statement Thursday disputing Cutcher’s account, saying it differed from what she originally told police, which she angrily denies.
Cutcher originally gave police a statement that matched Zimmerman’s account, said police spokesman Sgt. David Morgenstern.
Sanford’s Police Chief Lee is “asking the public and the media to give the system the opportunity to work, in the interest of safety of the community,” Morgenstern said.
Zimmerman, whose whereabouts are unknown, was not charged, and the case is now under review by the Brevard Seminole state attorney’s office. Local and national black leaders have rallied around the incident as the latest example of a double standard of justice in what they consider a case of racial profiling.
On Thursday, Zimmerman’s father hand-delivered a letter to the Orlando Sentinel, disputing widely repeated version of events, saying his Spanish-speaking son is not a racist.
“The media reports of the events are imaginary at best. At no time did George follow or confront Mr. Martin,” Robert Zimmerman wrote. “When the true details of the event become public, and I hope that will be soon, everyone should be outraged by the treatment of George Zimmerman in the media.”
A rally is planned for the Sanford City Council meeting March 26. Leaders are asking people to show up carrying Skittles, the candy Trayvon carried in his pocket when he died.
The witnesses say they are coming forward now because they were shocked when no arrest was made.
“They are protecting Zimmerman for some reason,” Trayvon’s mother Sybrina Fulton said in Miami. “They are protecting him and we feel that Trayvon is the victim.”
Lee said the matter needs to be taken to a grand jury as soon as possible.
“If the roles were reversed, our investigation would be exactly the same,” he said.
“Our investigation is color blind and based on the facts and circumstances, not color. I know I can say that until I am blue in the face, but as a white man in a uniform, I know it doesn’t mean anything to anybody.”
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was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I'm hoping new information becomes available and illuminates exactly what happened (it's a long shot, I know).
The above article is the first I've read that mentions the injuries to Zimmerman.
He's neighborhood watch, not Wyatt Earp. He called the police, they told him to back off and that they would handle it. Minutes later, an unarmed teenager is dead.
Agreed.
So, does it seem like Zimmerman will be charged?
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/17/10732812-family-911-calls-show-shooting-of-black-teen-was-not-self-defense
dude followed a black kid picking up some skittles and lemonade, was walking back to his dad's house to catch the 2nd half of a basketball game.
He lay bloody and ruined in wet grass with nothing in his pockets but $22, a can of lemonade and a bag of Skittles, not a type, not a kind, but just himself, a kid who liked horses and sports, who struggled with chemistry, who went out for snacks and never came home.
the white man calls 911 and says he is follwing a suspicious teenager who is on drugs or something. dispatcher says they will send a police car, but do not get out of your vehicle and confront him.
"This guy looks like he is up to no good. He is on drugs or something," Zimmerman told the dispatcher from his SUV. He added
that the black teen had his hand in his waistband and was walking around looking at homes.
"These a
. They always get away," Zimmerman said on a 911 call.
He gets out of his car. starts a fight and shoots the kid.
Pretty cut and dry. dude should be in jail.
If it was the black kid shooting the white guy what do you think would happen?
another unnecessary death.
this here is the crux of it ...
it's not only this guy who shot him ... it's the police force and the judicial system and society in general ...
And calling the cops 46 times in 14 months, how many of those calls actually WERE something?
Godfather.
It seems like there is reason to launch an investigation at the very least. It seems like a neighborhood watch should be carrying pepper spray at the very most. I understand having a concealed weapon for defense, but he is acting on the offense and looking for trouble. Unless he has received specific training, I can't understand why the would just let him walk.
How do you know that?
A W.M.A. ? I read the artical and must of missed that..who or what is that ?
Godfather.
it is indeed a racist issue because from what evidence is available - the shooter acted against the advice of authorities ... the victim was not caught in the act of any crime whatsoever ... and the initial response from authorities was this investigation was near complete and that the shooter acted in self defense ...
so, in my opinion ... the issue reeks of racism because the victim was black ... if it had been a black neighbourhood watch man shooting a white innocent pedestrian ... there is no way in hell the investigation would have been completed so fast ... sure, we are speculating that zimmerman acted based on some prejudice ... could be race ... maybe not ... but the response by the authorities is what is most troubling ... all evidence that we have from people hearing the altercation to the 911 calls does not point to an aggressive victim ... yet, the police were quick to call it an act of self-defense ... and that is likely because the victim was black ... do we have instances of white people getting the same kind of treatment in reverse!?
no offense man but that's weak
[qoute] it is indeed a racist issue because from what evidence is available - the shooter acted against the advice of authorities ... the victim was not caught in the act of any crime whatsoever ... and the initial response from authorities was this investigation was near complete and that the shooter acted in self defense ...
and if a black cop shoots a white kid or a white bad guy it wouldn't even make a minor bleep in the news but if a white guy shoots a black guy it's racism... :?
Godfather.
I have no idea if it had any bearing on this situation. But your comment is part of the problem. That is the bottom line anymore isn't it?
It's funny, people talk all day about innocent until proven guilty. Then if a black man/woman is the victim of a crime by a white man/woman, instantly it's racial. It may be, but it also may not have a thing to do with it at all.
well ... you and godfather can come to your own conclusions ... you guys think racism is but a little nuisance that exists in small isolated incidents ... when the reality is that it is widespread ...
and again - i didn't say zimmerman acted on race ... he may or may not ... my accusation on racism is based on the police response despite what evidence i heard so far ... there should have been a thorough investigation of this incident before quickly calling it self-defense ... they had access to those 911 calls ... but yet, they quickly came to this guy's defense ... why?
Now you are pretending to know me and what I think? Nice.
Again, I didn't even say racism wasn't a factor. I'm just not willing to throw it out there instantly like others always do.
dude ... we've had this conversation many times over ... i'm not gonna go searching to show you that you've said numerous times that racism is not that big a deal in the US ...
also - i'm not saying its for sure racism ... i said it "reeks of racism" ... and if racism is a potential motive here (which you admit to above) then it can be brought up ... which is all we are doing ...
if an ex-boyfriend is charged with murdering his ex-girlfriend ... we can speculate that jealousy played a role ... should we not bring it up unless we know for sure!?
That is utter bullshit.
This is a valid point.
However, you said it reeks of racism because the victim was black. I took that to mean, if the victim was white, no matter the color of anyone involved, racism would not cross your mind.
Regardless, it very well could involve racism, but just because it involves people of different colors doesn't make it so.
this kid was murdered.
he did not commit a crime. the shooter had utter disdain in his voice while saying "these assholes always get away..." that was a general statement saying these assholes, who were doing nothing wrong, always get away. away from what??
another thing, this shooter has called 911 over 40 times. doesn't that seem abnormally high to anyone else? for a neighborhood to have that many 911 calls it must be a pretty sketchy area, or people are hyperparanoid, right?
this man was advised to not follow trayvon, yet he did. and he shot him. he HUNTED him down, had a confrontation, and shot him...if a dispatcher tells me to not pursue someone i am going to let them go and hope that the cops get him.
the witnesses 911 calls are telling. they all say they heard a young man cryout for help and then heard the gunshot and saw the shooter standing over him. if this kid was restrained or taken down by the shooter, he should not have used deadly force. if trayvon cried out for help, he was clearly in a bad position. if trayvon was beating this guy's ass, or had a physical advantage over him in some way, why would trayvon have cried out for help? trayvon was clearly in a very vulnerable position and cried out in desperation. this kid was murdered...
fucking rent a cop....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
you're back peddling now but still screaming racism, this should make you happy....
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Godfather.
Godfather.