where were all of these people coming forward and defending zimmerman at the outset? had they come forward this tidal wave of anger and frustration might have been averted.
and its funny how people are talking about the new black panther party going to do something...just something else to be scared of to make the scared white people carry MORE guns in florida...the only reason the black panthers are even making any noise right now is because the police will not act. if a cop shoots someone in the line of duty their gun is taken away and he is placed on leave and a full investigation is done and he does not get the gun back until it is determined that the shooting was justified. a neighborhood watchman shot a kid in the chest and this was not investigated fully and the shooter was not even arrested or investigated. to the police it was an open and shut case of the thug getting his just desserts.....this did not happen on zimmerman's property. he was a neighborhood watchman who carried a gun, and he acted like an officer of the law, which he was not. he followed trayvon when told not to. what other evidence do they need to arrest this man and get him off of the streets and into a holding cell where he will be safe from vigilante justice that some psycho might try to carry out???
to quote those at the rally today, "trayvon was shot in the chest, there must be an arrest"... try this in a court of law before this powder keg explodes...
also, earlier tonight there were news reports that zimmerman's blood soaked clothes that were kept as evidence that had blood splatters on them to show how the shooting occurred are now missing. lost from the police station....i smell a police cover up here...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
All due respect to you, gimme, my comments here have nothing to do with race. Most of the folks on this board, I'd take a gamble the majority feel the same.
I admit I was a bit quick to come to judgment earlier and am refraining from doing so again, because I know that I/we don't know everything about this.
I think what happened was fucked up, but please do not lump all who have questions into the "scared whitey" category.
my opinion is its a good thing for zimmerman that the boy died so he couldnt give his side of the story. and why trayvon was in sanford is totally irrelevant. as for the empty bag tainted with marijuana residue.. big fuckin' deal. got nothing to do with him being dead.
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All due respect to you, gimme, my comments here have nothing to do with race. Most of the folks on this board, I'd take a gamble the majority feel the same.
I admit I was a bit quick to come to judgment earlier and am refraining from doing so again, because I know that I/we don't know everything about this.
I think what happened was fucked up, but please do not lump all who have questions into the "scared whitey" category.
what happened wasnt fucked up it was murder... manslaughter in the least. someone must be held accountable.. preferably the shooter and not the boys reputation.
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All due respect to you, gimme, my comments here have nothing to do with race. Most of the folks on this board, I'd take a gamble the majority feel the same.
I admit I was a bit quick to come to judgment earlier and am refraining from doing so again, because I know that I/we don't know everything about this.
I think what happened was fucked up, but please do not lump all who have questions into the "scared whitey" category.
if the police were doing their job you would not have any group making any kinds of threats. when the system does not work for a group of people, right or wrong, they attempt to take matters into their own hands. if they want the black panthers to chill out then the police had better do their jobs...
just look at the reaction now. look at the websites and the comments being posted in comments sections. the ones that are still allowing comments on this story, that is.....people are responding out of fear. just like zimmerman acted out of fear.
i am not condoning what the black panthers are saying. do i see their side of things and understand their frustration? absolutely. are they helping matters in this case? absolutely not. their rhetoric is going to inflame things further and then the white supremacists are going to start piping up and it is going to get very ugly from there.
it just seems all too convenient now that evidence is being lost and friends of the shooter are just now coming forward a month later...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
A broken nose and the back of his skull smashed into the ground...
Seems like the dead man was rather violent no?
and just like a dead body isnt of itself evidence of a murder....
if that is the case then zimmerman was a pussy and could not defend himself, so he drew his gun and that was that. if you confront someone you are inviting them to fight you back...and trayvon may have given zimmerman more than he can handle in a fight...
zimmerman should have listened to the dispatcher and not followed him....
zimmerman assaulted a cop and his girlfriend on multiple occasions too... AND he murdered an unarmed kid....nope, he was not violent at all.. :roll:
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
A broken nose and the back of his skull smashed into the ground...
Seems like the dead man was rather violent no?
If some idiot followed me and confronted me, I'd prob punch him and attack him as well. And if he shot me after that, I'd expect him to be charged with manslaughter.
what i don't understand is, if trayvon did indeed beat the shit out of zimmerman like that, then where is some proof of that other than word of mouth? surely if you just killed someone assaulting you, you would want photographs taken of every single wound that you suffered. that's what they do in domestic violence cases at least. maybe the cops have pictures of zimmerman all fucked up, but i'm not sure why they wouldn't release that to the media. if there was a picture of him all bloody and battered that might change peoples opinions of the situation. instead the only photo we've seen is his apparent mug shot or drivers license pic where zimmerman just looks like an asshole. (imo)
i still think zimmerman commited a crime, the dispatcher said don't chase he did anyways, the situation should have been done at that moment. instead of saying yeah im chasing him, he should have said, no i'm keeping a safe distance until the police get here but hurry.
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
and its funny how people are talking about the new black panther party going to do something...just something else to be scared of to make the scared white people carry MORE guns in florida...
um no, they said they were going to do something. no one made this up. and it isn't something being talked about to scare more white people into carrying guns...that is silly thing to say.
wasn't Zimmerman white / hispanic?
the only reason the black panthers are even making any noise right now is because the police will not act.
which is the exact thing people chastise Zimmerman for doing, including you...taking the law into their own hands.
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Gimmie...come on. the black panthers are TRYING to scare people with this kind of rhetoric and thinking. So when people get scared who is at fault?
The police acted, people just didn't agree with what they did. If the person's story is believable and consistent with what they find at the seen, until more evidence comes out they will not arrest or detain a person.
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Apparently the New (and Improved?!) Black Panthers have offered $10,000 for his "capture".
well...if the Black Panthers follow Zimmerman, and if Zimmerman fights back, he can be shot, you know because the Black Panthers were just "standing their ground"...
For all the Trayvon supporters.....
You dont know what the hell you are talking about. ZERO.
You dont know anything regarding the true facts of this case. You are making opinions based on a Liberal filter and speclations.
All this racist bullshit thats being brought into this is fucked up. Learn about what the truth is then open your mouth. And sadly that wont come out until the trial.
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For all the Trayvon supporters.....
You dont know what the hell you are talking about. ZERO.
You dont know anything regarding the true facts of this case. You are making opinions based on a Liberal filter and speclations.
All this racist bullshit thats being brought into this is fucked up. Learn about what the truth is then open your mouth. And sadly that wont come out until the trial.
Would there have been a trial at all without all the media getting involved?
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For all the Trayvon supporters.....
You dont know what the hell you are talking about. ZERO.
You dont know anything regarding the true facts of this case. You are making opinions based on a Liberal filter and speclations.
All this racist bullshit thats being brought into this is fucked up. Learn about what the truth is then open your mouth. And sadly that wont come out until the trial.
For all the Trayvon supporters.....
You dont know what the hell you are talking about. ZERO.
You dont know anything regarding the true facts of this case. You are making opinions based on a Liberal filter and speclations.
All this racist bullshit thats being brought into this is fucked up. Learn about what the truth is then open your mouth. And sadly that wont come out until the trial.
Would there have been a trial at all without all the media getting involved?
nope...it would have been left just as it was, just another african american thug getting his just desserts, end of story..
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
and its funny how people are talking about the new black panther party going to do something...just something else to be scared of to make the scared white people carry MORE guns in florida...
um no, they said they were going to do something. no one made this up. and it isn't something being talked about to scare more white people into carrying guns...that is silly thing to say.
wasn't Zimmerman white / hispanic?
the only reason the black panthers are even making any noise right now is because the police will not act.
which is the exact thing people chastise Zimmerman for doing, including you...taking the law into their own hands.
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Gimmie...come on. the black panthers are TRYING to scare people with this kind of rhetoric and thinking. So when people get scared who is at fault?
The police acted, people just didn't agree with what they did. If the person's story is believable and consistent with what they find at the seen, until more evidence comes out they will not arrest or detain a person.
the black panthers are trying to intimidate. people have a choice. they can live their life without fear or they can get scared and live in fear of the group of big bad black men...what do people do when they get scared? they arm themselves. same thing happened after obama got elected. white people got scared and bought guns and ammo at a record rate. so it is not a stupid thing to say. fear is what caused this whole situation. the coward zimmerman was scared so he acted the way he did. he confronted what he was scared of and escalated the situation..
both are at fault mike. you have a choice to be scared or not. this is just rhetoric fromm the bpp.
no, the police did not act. they showed up, asked a few questions, called the coroner and let the shooter walk. they did not even book him or do any follow up investigation until the people reacted angrily. you can detain people for probable cause. they know he killed trayvon. they need to lock him up if for nothing else than for his own protection.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
While this is a tragedy on all fronts, what I think is even more tragic is how this is quickly becoming a manufactured race war. Here we have Zimmerman, who people automatically assumed was a white guy, and then they found out he was Hispanic, so they have to remedy that by using the term "white-hispanic". Please tell me in what universe, this guy would not just be referred to as hispanic or latino? That would be like calling Obama our first "white-black" President. So all this does is further incite violent rhetoric, because people assume just because the guy is white...uh...I mean white-hispanic...that he automatically gets a free pass by the system. Since the police haven't arrested him, and no one here really knows all of the facts surrounding the case except for the police...they may actually not have any grounds to arrest him. I know it's crazy, but if others gave statements to police that it was self-defense, and it corroborated with what Zimmerman said, then they may not have the ability to legally arrest him. I can't imagine they wouldn't be able to, but it's a possibility that must be considered. You can't arrest someone just for show.
What I think is even more disturbing is why is it that black leaders want to promote a view that blacks are constantly the victim and always under attack by whites? I mean some of the rhetoric I've heard over the last few days would make you think that blacks are being murdered at will by throngs of white folks. Why does the media want to propagate this view? Don't get me wrong, there's no doubt that some whites, or I guess now "white-hispanics" still exhibit racism against blacks, but there is no way that is anywhere close to the biggest problem they face. I'm thankful that I have friends who slap me back into reality when shit like this comes up. A buddy of mine the other day was fuming...and I just knew it was about all of this, but it wasn't Zimmerman he was pissed at. I mean yes, that asshole should go to jail if he killed Martin for anything other than self-defense, and even then it's questionable since he followed him. No he wasn't pissed about that, he was about to explode at black leaders. Nothing pisses him off more than being thought of as a victim, and to be honest it should piss him off. White people have had it easy, and blacks have fought the bondage of slavery to accel at every level of our society in the last 150 years. The problems blacks face now are not with whites and white-hispanics, it's primarily a result of their community, their leaders, and the government. When as a community they have the same outrage, and the same unity over the senseless killing of blacks, committed by other blacks, then they will actually be making a tremendous difference. Otherwise, those problems will continue to be swept under the rug, and random acts by idiots like Zimmerman will continue to be the fuel that ignites hate.
no, the police did not act. they showed up, asked a few questions, called the coroner and let the shooter walk. they did not even book him or do any follow up investigation until the people reacted angrily. you can detain people for probable cause. they know he killed trayvon. they need to lock him up if for nothing else than for his own protection.
To be fair, they did take him to the station for questioning. They just didn't arrest him after they finished interviewing him. They can't lock him up without charging him and at the time they felt that there wasn't enough evidence to charge him with anything. I agree that they never should have said they considered the case closed, though. It's obvious that there are enough questions about what happened that night to warrant a continued investigation so they can be certain they are making the right decision based on a thorough investigation and review of the facts. It could very well end up that Zimmerman is cleared and his version of events is really what happened, but not too many people are going to accept that if the police don't follow up properly.
The media firestorm over this case is a double-edged sword. One one hand, the stories about it have resulted in the investigation being re-opened and other agencies getting involved, so that's good. The public should be able to hold the police accountable for their actions since the police are supposed to protect the public. On the other hand, if Zimmerman really is innocent and really was attacked from behind as he tried to walk away and Martin really did reach for his gun then he's been villified in the press as a murderer unjustly. I'm guilty of it myself because I assumed that the reports of him following Martin after being asked not to were 100% true. I still think they may be true but I've got some doubts now based on more information that's come out. I still think he's a bit overzealous as far as calling the police goes (it seems like he called the cops any time anyone he didn't recognize walked through his neighborhood) but that doesn't automatically make him guilty any more than being out at around 7 PM on a Suday makes Martin guilty of anything.
A broken nose and the back of his skull smashed into the ground...
Seems like the dead man was rather violent no?
I can’t understand why people don’t think this teen had a right to fight for his life? This wasn’t a police officer following this teen; it was a man with a gun.
Zimmerman did not shot him under the original guidelines of the ‘stand your ground’ law, because he didn’t confronted the teen until after he started pursued him.
Zimmerman created a stalker situation, whereby, it was Zimmerman, an ordinary citizen, pursuing a teen, with a gun. At this point, this teen, and any other person, has the right to defend themselves.
Zimmerman wasn’t prepared for this teen to fight for his life, so he killed him and claimed self-defense by reason of the ‘stand your ground’ law.
These State legislators are asking ordinary people to judge a person’s state of mind when it’s in an agitated state, even law enforcement have SPECIAL UNITS to handle these types of situations.
There are so many everyday things that piss us off and make us confront a person to let them know what a complete asswipe they are – for that – do you deserve to die? Now that people understand these ‘stand your ground and make my day laws’, game on.
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The reality is if Zimmerman never confronted Trayvon, then Trayvon would be alive.
Who really knows what happened. It seems likely that Trayvon may have seen the gun and decided to fight for his life by striking first.
So, Zimmerman created this conflict. Zimmerman is no angel. And neither is Trayvon. It's not character assassination when the truth comes out. It's just the truth.
I also find it funny that it took so long for Zimmerman to be identified as Hispanic....very interesting. You want to talk about racism, start there. This is only going to get uglier. There is no outcome that is good for anyone. The real lesson here is that idiots need to stop carrying guns and parents need to take some responsibility for their kids. Suspended from school and the mother sends him to Florida for a vacation? Suspended from school and the father lets him out of the house to go to the store? Really? Nice parenting. The whole situation reeks of idiots.
A broken nose and the back of his skull smashed into the ground...
Seems like the dead man was rather violent no?
I can’t understand why people don’t think this teen had a right to fight for his life? This wasn’t a police officer following this teen; it was a man with a gun.
Zimmerman did not shot him under the original guidelines of the ‘stand your ground’ law, because he didn’t confronted the teen until after he started pursued him.
Zimmerman created a stalker situation, whereby, it was Zimmerman, an ordinary citizen, pursuing a teen, with a gun. At this point, this teen, and any other person, has the right to defend themselves.
Zimmerman wasn’t prepared for this teen to fight for his life, so he killed him and claimed self-defense by reason of the ‘stand your ground’ law.
These State legislators are asking ordinary people to judge a person’s state of mind when it’s in an agitated state, even law enforcement have SPECIAL UNITS to handle these types of situations.
There are so many everyday things that piss us off and make us confront a person to let them know what a complete asswipe they are – for that – do you deserve to die? Now that people understand these ‘stand your ground and make my day laws’, game on.
Agree. 100%
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For all the Trayvon supporters.....
You dont know what the hell you are talking about. ZERO.
You dont know anything regarding the true facts of this case. You are making opinions based on a Liberal filter and speclations.
All this racist bullshit thats being brought into this is fucked up. Learn about what the truth is then open your mouth. And sadly that wont come out until the trial.
i agree! fucking liberal media making up fake 911 calls...really, how low can they stoop?!!
Suspended from school and the mother sends him to Florida for a vacation?.
From what I understand, he was not sent to Florida, he was already schooling in Florida/Miami-Dade area. Then for the suspension he was sent to stay with his dad at his dads fiance's home, which is in 'Seminole County', Central Florida area, closer to Orlando.
For all the Trayvon supporters.....
You dont know what the hell you are talking about. ZERO.
You dont know anything regarding the true facts of this case. You are making opinions based on a Liberal filter and speclations.
All this racist bullshit thats being brought into this is fucked up. Learn about what the truth is then open your mouth. And sadly that wont come out until the trial.
Let's list the facts of the case, shall we?
Zimmerman shot his gun at Martin, and Martin died.
If it was Zimmerman in the hoodie and he was killed by a wannabe rent-a-cop with skin as pale as Tom Petty, would the term white-hispanic be used? The reason I ask is because of the racial tension this story has created throughout the nation.
For all the Trayvon supporters.....
You dont know what the hell you are talking about. ZERO.
You dont know anything regarding the true facts of this case. You are making opinions based on a Liberal filter and speclations.
All this racist bullshit thats being brought into this is fucked up. Learn about what the truth is then open your mouth. And sadly that wont come out until the trial.
Let's list the facts of the case, shall we?
Zimmerman shot his gun at Martin, and Martin died.
Need any more facts?
boy what a simplistic and ridiculous view. of course we need more facts. there are still unanswered questions, especially considering the ridiculous florida law which whether you agree with or not may or may not come into play here. so yes uhh need way more facts. more facts and less rhetoric from people with an agenda that have nothing to do with this particular case.
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yeah were all just liberal bleeding hearts who cant see that everyone has the right to follow someone and shoot them. were bad that way.
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Damn you actually read through those tweets?
and its funny how people are talking about the new black panther party going to do something...just something else to be scared of to make the scared white people carry MORE guns in florida...the only reason the black panthers are even making any noise right now is because the police will not act. if a cop shoots someone in the line of duty their gun is taken away and he is placed on leave and a full investigation is done and he does not get the gun back until it is determined that the shooting was justified. a neighborhood watchman shot a kid in the chest and this was not investigated fully and the shooter was not even arrested or investigated. to the police it was an open and shut case of the thug getting his just desserts.....this did not happen on zimmerman's property. he was a neighborhood watchman who carried a gun, and he acted like an officer of the law, which he was not. he followed trayvon when told not to. what other evidence do they need to arrest this man and get him off of the streets and into a holding cell where he will be safe from vigilante justice that some psycho might try to carry out???
to quote those at the rally today, "trayvon was shot in the chest, there must be an arrest"... try this in a court of law before this powder keg explodes...
also, earlier tonight there were news reports that zimmerman's blood soaked clothes that were kept as evidence that had blood splatters on them to show how the shooting occurred are now missing. lost from the police station....i smell a police cover up here...
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Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I admit I was a bit quick to come to judgment earlier and am refraining from doing so again, because I know that I/we don't know everything about this.
I think what happened was fucked up, but please do not lump all who have questions into the "scared whitey" category.
my opinion is its a good thing for zimmerman that the boy died so he couldnt give his side of the story. and why trayvon was in sanford is totally irrelevant. as for the empty bag tainted with marijuana residue.. big fuckin' deal. got nothing to do with him being dead.
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what happened wasnt fucked up it was murder... manslaughter in the least. someone must be held accountable.. preferably the shooter and not the boys reputation.
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just look at the reaction now. look at the websites and the comments being posted in comments sections. the ones that are still allowing comments on this story, that is.....people are responding out of fear. just like zimmerman acted out of fear.
i am not condoning what the black panthers are saying. do i see their side of things and understand their frustration? absolutely. are they helping matters in this case? absolutely not. their rhetoric is going to inflame things further and then the white supremacists are going to start piping up and it is going to get very ugly from there.
it just seems all too convenient now that evidence is being lost and friends of the shooter are just now coming forward a month later...
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Seems like the dead man was rather violent no?
and just like a dead body isnt of itself evidence of a murder....
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zimmerman should have listened to the dispatcher and not followed him....
zimmerman assaulted a cop and his girlfriend on multiple occasions too... AND he murdered an unarmed kid....nope, he was not violent at all.. :roll:
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If some idiot followed me and confronted me, I'd prob punch him and attack him as well. And if he shot me after that, I'd expect him to be charged with manslaughter.
i still think zimmerman commited a crime, the dispatcher said don't chase he did anyways, the situation should have been done at that moment. instead of saying yeah im chasing him, he should have said, no i'm keeping a safe distance until the police get here but hurry.
um no, they said they were going to do something. no one made this up. and it isn't something being talked about to scare more white people into carrying guns...that is silly thing to say.
wasn't Zimmerman white / hispanic?
which is the exact thing people chastise Zimmerman for doing, including you...taking the law into their own hands.
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Gimmie...come on. the black panthers are TRYING to scare people with this kind of rhetoric and thinking. So when people get scared who is at fault?
The police acted, people just didn't agree with what they did. If the person's story is believable and consistent with what they find at the seen, until more evidence comes out they will not arrest or detain a person.
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well...if the Black Panthers follow Zimmerman, and if Zimmerman fights back, he can be shot, you know because the Black Panthers were just "standing their ground"...
that's how it seems to work, right...?
You dont know what the hell you are talking about. ZERO.
You dont know anything regarding the true facts of this case. You are making opinions based on a Liberal filter and speclations.
All this racist bullshit thats being brought into this is fucked up. Learn about what the truth is then open your mouth. And sadly that wont come out until the trial.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
what are you basing your opinions on....?
and why are you so angry...?
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both are at fault mike. you have a choice to be scared or not. this is just rhetoric fromm the bpp.
no, the police did not act. they showed up, asked a few questions, called the coroner and let the shooter walk. they did not even book him or do any follow up investigation until the people reacted angrily. you can detain people for probable cause. they know he killed trayvon. they need to lock him up if for nothing else than for his own protection.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
What I think is even more disturbing is why is it that black leaders want to promote a view that blacks are constantly the victim and always under attack by whites? I mean some of the rhetoric I've heard over the last few days would make you think that blacks are being murdered at will by throngs of white folks. Why does the media want to propagate this view? Don't get me wrong, there's no doubt that some whites, or I guess now "white-hispanics" still exhibit racism against blacks, but there is no way that is anywhere close to the biggest problem they face. I'm thankful that I have friends who slap me back into reality when shit like this comes up. A buddy of mine the other day was fuming...and I just knew it was about all of this, but it wasn't Zimmerman he was pissed at. I mean yes, that asshole should go to jail if he killed Martin for anything other than self-defense, and even then it's questionable since he followed him. No he wasn't pissed about that, he was about to explode at black leaders. Nothing pisses him off more than being thought of as a victim, and to be honest it should piss him off. White people have had it easy, and blacks have fought the bondage of slavery to accel at every level of our society in the last 150 years. The problems blacks face now are not with whites and white-hispanics, it's primarily a result of their community, their leaders, and the government. When as a community they have the same outrage, and the same unity over the senseless killing of blacks, committed by other blacks, then they will actually be making a tremendous difference. Otherwise, those problems will continue to be swept under the rug, and random acts by idiots like Zimmerman will continue to be the fuel that ignites hate.
To be fair, they did take him to the station for questioning. They just didn't arrest him after they finished interviewing him. They can't lock him up without charging him and at the time they felt that there wasn't enough evidence to charge him with anything. I agree that they never should have said they considered the case closed, though. It's obvious that there are enough questions about what happened that night to warrant a continued investigation so they can be certain they are making the right decision based on a thorough investigation and review of the facts. It could very well end up that Zimmerman is cleared and his version of events is really what happened, but not too many people are going to accept that if the police don't follow up properly.
The media firestorm over this case is a double-edged sword. One one hand, the stories about it have resulted in the investigation being re-opened and other agencies getting involved, so that's good. The public should be able to hold the police accountable for their actions since the police are supposed to protect the public. On the other hand, if Zimmerman really is innocent and really was attacked from behind as he tried to walk away and Martin really did reach for his gun then he's been villified in the press as a murderer unjustly. I'm guilty of it myself because I assumed that the reports of him following Martin after being asked not to were 100% true. I still think they may be true but I've got some doubts now based on more information that's come out. I still think he's a bit overzealous as far as calling the police goes (it seems like he called the cops any time anyone he didn't recognize walked through his neighborhood) but that doesn't automatically make him guilty any more than being out at around 7 PM on a Suday makes Martin guilty of anything.
I can’t understand why people don’t think this teen had a right to fight for his life? This wasn’t a police officer following this teen; it was a man with a gun.
Zimmerman did not shot him under the original guidelines of the ‘stand your ground’ law, because he didn’t confronted the teen until after he started pursued him.
Zimmerman created a stalker situation, whereby, it was Zimmerman, an ordinary citizen, pursuing a teen, with a gun. At this point, this teen, and any other person, has the right to defend themselves.
Zimmerman wasn’t prepared for this teen to fight for his life, so he killed him and claimed self-defense by reason of the ‘stand your ground’ law.
These State legislators are asking ordinary people to judge a person’s state of mind when it’s in an agitated state, even law enforcement have SPECIAL UNITS to handle these types of situations.
There are so many everyday things that piss us off and make us confront a person to let them know what a complete asswipe they are – for that – do you deserve to die? Now that people understand these ‘stand your ground and make my day laws’, game on.
The reality is if Zimmerman never confronted Trayvon, then Trayvon would be alive.
Who really knows what happened. It seems likely that Trayvon may have seen the gun and decided to fight for his life by striking first.
So, Zimmerman created this conflict. Zimmerman is no angel. And neither is Trayvon. It's not character assassination when the truth comes out. It's just the truth.
I also find it funny that it took so long for Zimmerman to be identified as Hispanic....very interesting. You want to talk about racism, start there. This is only going to get uglier. There is no outcome that is good for anyone. The real lesson here is that idiots need to stop carrying guns and parents need to take some responsibility for their kids. Suspended from school and the mother sends him to Florida for a vacation? Suspended from school and the father lets him out of the house to go to the store? Really? Nice parenting. The whole situation reeks of idiots.
Agree. 100%
i agree! fucking liberal media making up fake 911 calls...really, how low can they stoop?!!
From what I understand, he was not sent to Florida, he was already schooling in Florida/Miami-Dade area. Then for the suspension he was sent to stay with his dad at his dads fiance's home, which is in 'Seminole County', Central Florida area, closer to Orlando.
Let's list the facts of the case, shall we?
Zimmerman shot his gun at Martin, and Martin died.
Need any more facts?
boy what a simplistic and ridiculous view. of course we need more facts. there are still unanswered questions, especially considering the ridiculous florida law which whether you agree with or not may or may not come into play here. so yes uhh need way more facts. more facts and less rhetoric from people with an agenda that have nothing to do with this particular case.