For all the Trayvon supporters.....
You dont know what the hell you are talking about. ZERO.
You dont know anything regarding the true facts of this case. You are making opinions based on a Liberal filter and speclations.
All this racist bullshit thats being brought into this is fucked up. Learn about what the truth is then open your mouth. And sadly that wont come out until the trial.
Let's list the facts of the case, shall we?
Zimmerman shot his gun at Martin, and Martin died.
Need any more facts?
boy what a simplistic and ridiculous view. of course we need more facts. there are still unanswered questions, especially considering the ridiculous florida law which whether you agree with or not may or may not come into play here. so yes uhh need way more facts. more facts and less rhetoric from people with an agenda that have nothing to do with this particular case.
Simplistic and ridiculous? Come up with more facts then (and you better not look to the media for them...) Typically, when a person shoots a person dead, that person is arrested for at least manslaughter. Only in backwards Florida, does this not happen. That last sentence you wrote - show me in my post where I have an agenda.
Simplistic and ridiculous? Come up with more facts then (and you better not look to the media for them...) Typically, when a person shoots a person dead, that person is arrested for at least manslaughter. Only in backwards Florida, does this not happen. That last sentence you wrote - show me in my post where I have an agenda.
1st typically most states don't have the same law as florida. You've even alluded to that. there is a gray area with the law here. if zimmerman was attacked and punched 1st than there MAY be a case based on that law. again agree with the florida law or not there MAY be a case that he shouldn't be charged based on said law.
2nd i didn't mean you were the one with the agenda but people like al sharpton and the likes trying to make this a white-black issue. and it's not
3rd - saying zimmerman should be charged because his gun was fired and the kid is dead but with NO FACTS about what happened is as poor of an assumption as zimmerman had that trayvon was a criminal becauase he was young black and wearing a hoodie. in my opinion you are trying to simplify something that is not nearly that simple. and it's nothing personal by me saying that.
1st typically most states don't have the same law as florida. You've even alluded to that. there is a gray area with the law here. if zimmerman was attacked and punched 1st than there MAY be a case based on that law. again agree with the florida law or not there MAY be a case that he shouldn't be charged based on said law.
3rd - saying zimmerman should be charged because his gun was fired and the kid is dead but with NO FACTS about what happened is as poor of an assumption as zimmerman had that trayvon was a criminal becauase he was young black and wearing a hoodie. in my opinion you are trying to simplify something that is not nearly that simple. and it's nothing personal by me saying that.
1. i think i read there are like 26 states with similar legislation and that south carolina is already working to amend it ...
3. i think the police work in the case from the forensics onward was piss poor ... it is why the chief of police received a vote of non-confidence ... some of that is PR but there is grounds that the police force didn't adequately do their job and due diligence ... and their rush to close the case ultimately has led to this clustercuss ...
A broken nose and the back of his skull smashed into the ground...
Seems like the dead man was rather violent no?
I can’t understand why people don’t think this teen had a right to fight for his life? This wasn’t a police officer following this teen; it was a man with a gun.
Zimmerman did not shot him under the original guidelines of the ‘stand your ground’ law, because he didn’t confronted the teen until after he started pursued him.
Zimmerman created a stalker situation, whereby, it was Zimmerman, an ordinary citizen, pursuing a teen, with a gun. At this point, this teen, and any other person, has the right to defend themselves.
Zimmerman wasn’t prepared for this teen to fight for his life, so he killed him and claimed self-defense by reason of the ‘stand your ground’ law.
These State legislators are asking ordinary people to judge a person’s state of mind when it’s in an agitated state, even law enforcement have SPECIAL UNITS to handle these types of situations.
There are so many everyday things that piss us off and make us confront a person to let them know what a complete asswipe they are – for that – do you deserve to die? Now that people understand these ‘stand your ground and make my day laws’, game on.
From the reports Zimmerman wasn’t flashing his gun around. If Trayvon threw the first punch, Zimmerman will have a case of self-defense. If Zimmerman initiated physical contact before Trayvon, then Zimmerman is guilty of murder. This detail only Zimmerman knows.
This is a tragedy.
For everyone asking for Zimmerman's arrest, what would you charge him with? At this point not much will stick...
This is a classic example of an incident that could have easily been avoided by either party involved, had both used just a little common sense.
Zimmerman, should have stayed in his car and on the phone with the dispatcher, instead of getting out and following the kid. Which is what he was supposed to do.
Trayvon, should have used his head the moment he noticed someone following him, and moved to a well lit open area and called the police himself to report as much. This is what your supposed to do if you find yourself in this kind of situation.
From the reports Zimmerman wasn’t flashing his gun around. If Trayvon threw the first punch, Zimmerman will have a case of self-defense. If Zimmerman initiated physical contact before Trayvon, then Zimmerman is guilty of murder. This detail only Zimmerman knows.
This is a tragedy.
For everyone asking for Zimmerman's arrest, what would you charge him with? At this point not much will stick...
i pose this ... if you are being followed at night with no one around ... is that grounds to feel like you are being threatened!?? ... could someone going back to their SUV be a kin to someone reaching into their coat pocket? ...
From the reports Zimmerman wasn’t flashing his gun around. If Trayvon threw the first punch, Zimmerman will have a case of self-defense. If Zimmerman initiated physical contact before Trayvon, then Zimmerman is guilty of murder. This detail only Zimmerman knows.
This is a tragedy.
For everyone asking for Zimmerman's arrest, what would you charge him with? At this point not much will stick...
i pose this ... if you are being followed at night with no one around ... is that grounds to feel like you are being threatened!?? ... could someone going back to their SUV be a kin to someone reaching into their coat pocket? ...
If I am by myself and being followed I'm goin o get the hell out of the situation by leaving the area. Or maybe calling the cops my self.
Side Note:If the Paparazzi had guns then there would probably be a few less actors around.
For all the Trayvon supporters.....
You dont know what the hell you are talking about. ZERO.
You dont know anything regarding the true facts of this case. You are making opinions based on a Liberal filter and speclations.
All this racist bullshit thats being brought into this is fucked up. Learn about what the truth is then open your mouth. And sadly that wont come out until the trial.
Let's list the facts of the case, shall we?
Zimmerman shot his gun at Martin, and Martin died.
Need any more facts?
why did he shoot is gun ? that will be huge in this investigation and so far he has done nothing legally wrong it seems.
no it doesn't ... i am asking you if you are being followed - is that grounds for being threatened ... i didn't ask you what you would do ...[/quote]
No. I would keep walking and mind my business.
For all the Trayvon supporters.....
You dont know what the hell you are talking about. ZERO.
You dont know anything regarding the true facts of this case. You are making opinions based on a Liberal filter and speclations.
All this racist bullshit thats being brought into this is fucked up. Learn about what the truth is then open your mouth. And sadly that wont come out until the trial.
Let's list the facts of the case, shall we?
Zimmerman shot his gun at Martin, and Martin died.
Need any more facts?
why did he shoot is gun ? that will be huge in this investigation and so far he has done nothing legally wrong it seems.
Godfather.
You know what, if Zimmerman hadnt called 911, I bet he would definitely have gotten away with it. Sadly, I think he will still get away with it, depending upon the testimony of witnesses and if they are able to tell who that was screaming on the tape.
Zimmerman ignored the 911 dispatcher and created a stalking situation. If he hadnt pursued Treyvon, none of this would've happened. Zimmermans record for having a craving for overzealous citizen patrol is is only undoing.
Sadly, I think most people know this was at the very least manslaughter...but Zimmerman will be partying it up with Casey Anthony before we know it.
For all the Trayvon supporters.....
You dont know what the hell you are talking about. ZERO.
You dont know anything regarding the true facts of this case. You are making opinions based on a Liberal filter and speclations.
All this racist bullshit thats being brought into this is fucked up. Learn about what the truth is then open your mouth. And sadly that wont come out until the trial.
Let's list the facts of the case, shall we?
Zimmerman shot his gun at Martin, and Martin died.
Need any more facts?
why did he shoot is gun ? that will be huge in this investigation and so far he has done nothing legally wrong it seems.
Godfather.
You can't be serious. He killed a man with his gun, and you think that legally it's not wrong? Forget motives and think facts here. A man is dead, and this guy Zimmerman caused it.
sooo ... you know you are being followed ... the guy shows up in front of you and you don't consider yourself to be in danger?
I would feel in danger at that point.
Do we know the alleged details on what set the encounter off yet? Did Zimmerman directly confront him? Was he walking a few feet behind? Was he ten feet behind? Across the road?
I'm going to let the investigation work itself out before judgement day.
sooo ... you know you are being followed ... the guy shows up in front of you and you don't consider yourself to be in danger?
Where are you getting the information that the zimmerman showed up in front? I have yet to see that. Please post it. I have read that Zimmerman after being instructed that he was to back down did just that and was walking back to his truck. Then was rushed by Martin coming from his back left. Let me repeat that back left.
For all the Trayvon supporters.....
You dont know what the hell you are talking about. ZERO.
You dont know anything regarding the true facts of this case. You are making opinions based on a Liberal filter and speclations.
All this racist bullshit thats being brought into this is fucked up. Learn about what the truth is then open your mouth. And sadly that wont come out until the trial.
I'm waiting to hear more details, but it might be that a person who shot and killed someone is the only one who can provide those details. But dont jump down our throats for criticizing this. True facts? Someone is dead. And that person wouldnt be dead if Zimmerman had followed the orders of the 911 operator. He created a stalking scenario, and it was unnecessary.
We know these FACTS:
Treyvon is DEAD.
He had skittles and an Iced Tea.
btw, I think most of us have realized that the racism issue is out the door in lieu of the difficulty of determining how Zimmerman approached Martin, and why.
racism may not have been the motive behind the killing but the lack of police activity around what seems to be a case worth at least delving into seems telling no?
sooo ... you know you are being followed ... the guy shows up in front of you and you don't consider yourself to be in danger?
I would feel in danger at that point.
Do we know the alleged details on what set the encounter off yet? Did Zimmerman directly confront him? Was he walking a few feet behind? Was he ten feet behind? Across the road?
I'm going to let the investigation work itself out before judgement day.
Thank you Jason. This is all I am trying to say. Is before we have a Witch Hunt let's get the facts first. People are rushing to judgment way to fast this sad story.
In other news thirty-three homicides have been recorded so far in March in Chicago one being a six year old girl.
A broken nose and the back of his skull smashed into the ground...
Seems like the dead man was rather violent no?
I can’t understand why people don’t think this teen had a right to fight for his life? This wasn’t a police officer following this teen; it was a man with a gun.
Zimmerman did not shot him under the original guidelines of the ‘stand your ground’ law, because he didn’t confronted the teen until after he started pursued him.
Zimmerman created a stalker situation, whereby, it was Zimmerman, an ordinary citizen, pursuing a teen, with a gun. At this point, this teen, and any other person, has the right to defend themselves.
Zimmerman wasn’t prepared for this teen to fight for his life, so he killed him and claimed self-defense by reason of the ‘stand your ground’ law.
These State legislators are asking ordinary people to judge a person’s state of mind when it’s in an agitated state, even law enforcement have SPECIAL UNITS to handle these types of situations.
There are so many everyday things that piss us off and make us confront a person to let them know what a complete asswipe they are – for that – do you deserve to die? Now that people understand these ‘stand your ground and make my day laws’, game on.
From the reports Zimmerman wasn’t flashing his gun around. If Trayvon threw the first punch, Zimmerman will have a case of self-defense. If Zimmerman initiated physical contact before Trayvon, then Zimmerman is guilty of murder. This detail only Zimmerman knows.
This is a tragedy.
For everyone asking for Zimmerman's arrest, what would you charge him with? At this point not much will stick...
This is a classic example of an incident that could have easily been avoided by either party involved, had both used just a little common sense.
Zimmerman, should have stayed in his car and on the phone with the dispatcher, instead of getting out and following the kid. Which is what he was supposed to do.
Trayvon, should have used his head the moment he noticed someone following him, and moved to a well lit open area and called the police himself to report as much. This is what your supposed to do if you find yourself in this kind of situation.
At this point – reports of Zimmerman not flashing his gun is hearsay. No one has come forwarded with any ‘I was right there and here is what I saw’ account of the initial confrontation between these two; at this point, Zimmerman’s creditability is shot. The only thing working in Zimmerman’s legal favor is the fact that the police didn’t do an investigation and critical evidence was lost.
Trayvon, for no other reason than his appearance was already being stalked by Zimmerman, Suppose Trayvon had called the police - Do you think Zimmerman would have believed or even cared Trayvon had called the police, given that Zimmerman, himself, had ignored police instructions not to pursue Trayvon.
WTF do you think would have happen had Trayvon called the police, knowing what you know in hindsight? Do you think a black teen, in a dark area (as you seemingly described) would have had a chance to convince police, he was unarmed, had a bag of candy and was heading home? Trayvon would still be dead.
The moment Zimmerman got out of his vehicle, after being warned by law enforcement not to do so, he was well outside the protection of the stand your ground law and nothing more than a common stalker – to which Trayvon had every right to protect himself from Zimmerman. Funny, that you would mention that Trayvon should have moved to a well-lit area – because a lone, law enforcement officer is instructed not to pursue a suspect into a dark area without backup. Of the several reasons the two that relate here is a) you don’t know if the suspect has a weapon or friends waiting, and 2) an investigation to determine if the use of deadly force was justified. Yet, for the same reasons a police officer doesn’t pursue a suspect into a dark area, Zimmerman did and no one gave it a second thought when a person was killed.
The law is flawed.
SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
Where are you getting the information that the Martin showed up in front? I have yet to see that. Please post it. I have read that Zimmerman after being instructed that he was to back down did just that and was walking back to his truck. Then was rushed by Martin coming from his back left. Let me repeat that back left.
from his girlfriend who he was talking to while being followed by zimmerman:
He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man...I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run.
Trayvon said, 'What, are you following me for,' and the man said, 'What are you doing here.' Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again and he didn't answer the phone.
Do we know the alleged details on what set the encounter off yet? Did Zimmerman directly confront him? Was he walking a few feet behind? Was he ten feet behind? Across the road?
I'm going to let the investigation work itself out before judgement day.
well ... this is my point ... if you feel like your life is in danger ... what are your options when confronted!? ...
say zimmerman was walking away and going back to his suv ... who's to say he wasn't to go get a shotgun or bat or some weapon ... all you know at that point is some guy is following you at night with no one around ...
Do we know the alleged details on what set the encounter off yet? Did Zimmerman directly confront him? Was he walking a few feet behind? Was he ten feet behind? Across the road?
I'm going to let the investigation work itself out before judgement day.
well ... this is my point ... if you feel like your life is in danger ... what are your options when confronted!? ...
say zimmerman was walking away and going back to his suv ... who's to say he wasn't to go get a shotgun or bat or some weapon ... all you know at that point is some guy is following you at night with no one around ...
Everything is speculation at this point. But in such a scenario I would get the hell out of there, especially if I thought the person was going to get a weapon.
WTF do you think would have happen had Trayvon called the police, knowing what you know in hindsight? Do you think a black teen, in a dark area (as you seemingly described) would have had a chance to convince police, he was unarmed, had a bag of candy and was heading home? Trayvon would still be dead.
I'm not sure I follow you. How would he still be dead if he had called police and they showed up and he had a chance to convince them ....etc?
Everything is speculation at this point. But in such a scenario I would get the hell out of there, especially if I thought the person was going to get a weapon.
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Simplistic and ridiculous? Come up with more facts then (and you better not look to the media for them...) Typically, when a person shoots a person dead, that person is arrested for at least manslaughter. Only in backwards Florida, does this not happen. That last sentence you wrote - show me in my post where I have an agenda.
1st typically most states don't have the same law as florida. You've even alluded to that. there is a gray area with the law here. if zimmerman was attacked and punched 1st than there MAY be a case based on that law. again agree with the florida law or not there MAY be a case that he shouldn't be charged based on said law.
2nd i didn't mean you were the one with the agenda but people like al sharpton and the likes trying to make this a white-black issue. and it's not
3rd - saying zimmerman should be charged because his gun was fired and the kid is dead but with NO FACTS about what happened is as poor of an assumption as zimmerman had that trayvon was a criminal becauase he was young black and wearing a hoodie. in my opinion you are trying to simplify something that is not nearly that simple. and it's nothing personal by me saying that.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-d ... z1qGztV3LT
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/ ... rks-769123
Maybe his family will bank off his death as well.
1. i think i read there are like 26 states with similar legislation and that south carolina is already working to amend it ...
3. i think the police work in the case from the forensics onward was piss poor ... it is why the chief of police received a vote of non-confidence ... some of that is PR but there is grounds that the police force didn't adequately do their job and due diligence ... and their rush to close the case ultimately has led to this clustercuss ...
This is a tragedy.
For everyone asking for Zimmerman's arrest, what would you charge him with? At this point not much will stick...
This is a classic example of an incident that could have easily been avoided by either party involved, had both used just a little common sense.
Zimmerman, should have stayed in his car and on the phone with the dispatcher, instead of getting out and following the kid. Which is what he was supposed to do.
Trayvon, should have used his head the moment he noticed someone following him, and moved to a well lit open area and called the police himself to report as much. This is what your supposed to do if you find yourself in this kind of situation.
i pose this ... if you are being followed at night with no one around ... is that grounds to feel like you are being threatened!?? ... could someone going back to their SUV be a kin to someone reaching into their coat pocket? ...
Side Note:If the Paparazzi had guns then there would probably be a few less actors around.
that would be a wise decision ... but that doesn't really answer the question ...
no it doesn't ... i am asking you if you are being followed - is that grounds for being threatened ... i didn't ask you what you would do ...
why did he shoot is gun ? that will be huge in this investigation and so far he has done nothing legally wrong it seems.
Godfather.
Yeah it does.[/quote]
no it doesn't ... i am asking you if you are being followed - is that grounds for being threatened ... i didn't ask you what you would do ...[/quote]
No. I would keep walking and mind my business.
You know what, if Zimmerman hadnt called 911, I bet he would definitely have gotten away with it. Sadly, I think he will still get away with it, depending upon the testimony of witnesses and if they are able to tell who that was screaming on the tape.
Zimmerman ignored the 911 dispatcher and created a stalking situation. If he hadnt pursued Treyvon, none of this would've happened. Zimmermans record for having a craving for overzealous citizen patrol is is only undoing.
Sadly, I think most people know this was at the very least manslaughter...but Zimmerman will be partying it up with Casey Anthony before we know it.
You can't be serious. He killed a man with his gun, and you think that legally it's not wrong? Forget motives and think facts here. A man is dead, and this guy Zimmerman caused it.
sooo ... you know you are being followed ... the guy shows up in front of you and you don't consider yourself to be in danger?
Do we know the alleged details on what set the encounter off yet? Did Zimmerman directly confront him? Was he walking a few feet behind? Was he ten feet behind? Across the road?
I'm going to let the investigation work itself out before judgement day.
http://media.sandiego6.com/documents/sd ... report.pdf
I'm waiting to hear more details, but it might be that a person who shot and killed someone is the only one who can provide those details. But dont jump down our throats for criticizing this. True facts? Someone is dead. And that person wouldnt be dead if Zimmerman had followed the orders of the 911 operator. He created a stalking scenario, and it was unnecessary.
We know these FACTS:
Treyvon is DEAD.
He had skittles and an Iced Tea.
btw, I think most of us have realized that the racism issue is out the door in lieu of the difficulty of determining how Zimmerman approached Martin, and why.
In other news thirty-three homicides have been recorded so far in March in Chicago one being a six year old girl.
At this point – reports of Zimmerman not flashing his gun is hearsay. No one has come forwarded with any ‘I was right there and here is what I saw’ account of the initial confrontation between these two; at this point, Zimmerman’s creditability is shot. The only thing working in Zimmerman’s legal favor is the fact that the police didn’t do an investigation and critical evidence was lost.
Trayvon, for no other reason than his appearance was already being stalked by Zimmerman, Suppose Trayvon had called the police - Do you think Zimmerman would have believed or even cared Trayvon had called the police, given that Zimmerman, himself, had ignored police instructions not to pursue Trayvon.
WTF do you think would have happen had Trayvon called the police, knowing what you know in hindsight? Do you think a black teen, in a dark area (as you seemingly described) would have had a chance to convince police, he was unarmed, had a bag of candy and was heading home? Trayvon would still be dead.
The moment Zimmerman got out of his vehicle, after being warned by law enforcement not to do so, he was well outside the protection of the stand your ground law and nothing more than a common stalker – to which Trayvon had every right to protect himself from Zimmerman. Funny, that you would mention that Trayvon should have moved to a well-lit area – because a lone, law enforcement officer is instructed not to pursue a suspect into a dark area without backup. Of the several reasons the two that relate here is a) you don’t know if the suspect has a weapon or friends waiting, and 2) an investigation to determine if the use of deadly force was justified. Yet, for the same reasons a police officer doesn’t pursue a suspect into a dark area, Zimmerman did and no one gave it a second thought when a person was killed.
The law is flawed.
from his girlfriend who he was talking to while being followed by zimmerman:
well ... this is my point ... if you feel like your life is in danger ... what are your options when confronted!? ...
say zimmerman was walking away and going back to his suv ... who's to say he wasn't to go get a shotgun or bat or some weapon ... all you know at that point is some guy is following you at night with no one around ...
I call bullshit...
I'm not sure I follow you. How would he still be dead if he had called police and they showed up and he had a chance to convince them ....etc?
Pretty sure I would have started to run.
oh yeah ... for sure all speculation ...
me too...or at least dial 911
edit: sadly at this point, everything is wouda coulda shoulda...