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The Juggler

HesCalledDyer said:

The Juggler said:

HesCalledDyer said:

At least there's some action in the blowouts.  This game was a total dud.  The only thing it had going for it was that it wasn't a comedy of errors.

So you’d rather a 45-10 game that is over at half time?

Than yesterday’s game, yes. I’ve seen plenty of good low-scoring games. Yesterday was not one of them.

I agree that it was not good. I’m just saying the fact it was close to the end makes it more compelling than a game that is over at halftime. 

dankind

That Craig Robinson commercial for Dietz nuts was hilarious, though. 

HesCalledDyer

The Juggler said:

HesCalledDyer said:

The Juggler said:

HesCalledDyer said:

At least there's some action in the blowouts.  This game was a total dud.  The only thing it had going for it was that it wasn't a comedy of errors.

So you’d rather a 45-10 game that is over at half time?

Than yesterday’s game, yes. I’ve seen plenty of good low-scoring games. Yesterday was not one of them.

I agree that it was not good. I’m just saying the fact it was close to the end makes it more compelling than a game that is over at halftime. 

In most instances I would agree. But other than the pass play to Gronkowski that set up the TD, there wasn’t another single exciting play the entire game. It was a defensive game, sure, but it’s not like the defenses were making spectacular plays either. It didn’t feel like a defensive game, it felt more like a game between one totally inept offense and one mediocre offense.

HesCalledDyer

I guess what I’m saying is it was kind of a de facto defensive game. We have no other choice but to call it that because of the lack of damn near anything happening with the football. Sure, it came down to the end, but I wasn’t exactly on the edge of my seat either.

CROJAM95

Instead of these crappy new onside kick rules

what does everyone think about: instead of kicking, team wanting to onside would try and convert a 4th & 12 from their own 28 yard line?

you convert... you keep the drive going

i hear the nfl is considering this in the near future

cp3iverson

The real winner?  New Orleans.  

Per the NY TIMES, the city wide NFL boycott had a huge factor in the drop in ratings nationwide.  NOLA is one of the strongest NFL TV viewing markets in the US.  It was by far the least watched Super Bowl in New Orleans history.  Thousands attended the Boycott Bowl festival as well as the Anti-Lie secondline parade.  Bars and restaurants refused to show the game, showing the Saints vs Colts Super Bowl instead.  

Meltdown99

CROJAM95 said:

Instead of these crappy new onside kick rules

what does everyone think about: instead of kicking, team wanting to onside would try and convert a 4th & 12 from their own 28 yard line?

you convert... you keep the drive going

i hear the nfl is considering this in the near future

Maybe try it in pre-season...but I'm not for it.  

CROJAM95

Meltdown99 said:

CROJAM95 said:

Instead of these crappy new onside kick rules

what does everyone think about: instead of kicking, team wanting to onside would try and convert a 4th & 12 from their own 28 yard line?

you convert... you keep the drive going

i hear the nfl is considering this in the near future

Maybe try it in pre-season...but I'm not for it.  

I don’t think I am either... but who knows

the current rule makes it nearly impossible to convert

Meltdown99

CROJAM95 said:

Meltdown99 said:

CROJAM95 said:

Instead of these crappy new onside kick rules

what does everyone think about: instead of kicking, team wanting to onside would try and convert a 4th & 12 from their own 28 yard line?

you convert... you keep the drive going

i hear the nfl is considering this in the near future

Maybe try it in pre-season...but I'm not for it.  

I don’t think I am either... but who knows

the current rule makes it nearly impossible to convert

That is true.  I never heard why the rules were changed...I am assuming player safety.  I would like to see it tried in the pre-season.  Who knows, maybe it would be interesting.  So I am assuming if you stop the team from converting, you receive the ball at the point of the stop.

igotid88

cp3iverson said:

The real winner?  New Orleans.  

Per the NY TIMES, the city wide NFL boycott had a huge factor in the drop in ratings nationwide.  NOLA is one of the strongest NFL TV viewing markets in the US.  It was by far the least watched Super Bowl in New Orleans history.  Thousands attended the Boycott Bowl festival as well as the Anti-Lie secondline parade.  Bars and restaurants refused to show the game, showing the Saints vs Colts Super Bowl instead.  

There's basically the same number of people living in the city of L.A. as there are in the state of LA

tbergs

igotid88 said:

cp3iverson said:

The real winner?  New Orleans.  

Per the NY TIMES, the city wide NFL boycott had a huge factor in the drop in ratings nationwide.  NOLA is one of the strongest NFL TV viewing markets in the US.  It was by far the least watched Super Bowl in New Orleans history.  Thousands attended the Boycott Bowl festival as well as the Anti-Lie secondline parade.  Bars and restaurants refused to show the game, showing the Saints vs Colts Super Bowl instead.  

There's basically the same number of people living in the city of L.A. as there are in the state of LA

So what you're really saying is that even though LA got their team back after years of exile, the fans still don't give a damn anyway. Maybe they miss Everett, Ellard and the mean Greene machine.

Meltdown99

JK_Livin

CROJAM95 said:

Instead of these crappy new onside kick rules

what does everyone think about: instead of kicking, team wanting to onside would try and convert a 4th & 12 from their own 28 yard line?

you convert... you keep the drive going

i hear the nfl is considering this in the near future

So technically one team could possess the ball for an entire half by always choosing this option after every score? Don't think I'd be up for that.

CROJAM95

JK_Livin said:

CROJAM95 said:

Instead of these crappy new onside kick rules

what does everyone think about: instead of kicking, team wanting to onside would try and convert a 4th & 12 from their own 28 yard line?

you convert... you keep the drive going

i hear the nfl is considering this in the near future

So technically one team could possess the ball for an entire half by always choosing this option after every score? Don't think I'd be up for that.

4th n 12 with a good pass rush ain’t easy to convert

you mess up, other team is already in FG range

HesCalledDyer

Just get rid of all the dumb onside kick rules they put in place in 2018.  Those are what is making it damn near impossible to convert.  The rules are practically designed to give the kicking team 0 chance to recover the ball.

4th & 12 is fucking STUPID!!!

JK_Livin

CROJAM95 said:

JK_Livin said:

CROJAM95 said:

Instead of these crappy new onside kick rules

what does everyone think about: instead of kicking, team wanting to onside would try and convert a 4th & 12 from their own 28 yard line?

you convert... you keep the drive going

i hear the nfl is considering this in the near future

So technically one team could possess the ball for an entire half by always choosing this option after every score? Don't think I'd be up for that.

4th n 12 with a good pass rush ain’t easy to convert

you mess up, other team is already in FG range

If they don't have a good pass rush, they may never see that ball again.

pjhawks

this one is for the Juggler.  was curious myself on what the numbers would show.  decide for yourself what these numbers mean.  

*note these were calculated going through play-by-play sheets so i can't guarantee a number or two is not off.

so i went through all of the Pats scoring drives in their Super Bowl's under Brady.  and wait for it, their average scoring drives are 70% Pass and 30% Run.  Interesting thing is the TD vs FG ratio is almost exactly the same with TDs being 70.5% and FGs being 69%.

even if you take the Atlanta game as being an outlier because of the large deficit their scoring drive pass % only goes down to 65%.
if you take out the last FG drive of this weeks game which was 8 runs and no passes their pass % goes up to 72%
they'v had 5 scoring drives where they ran the ball 0 times and 8 scoring drives where they ran the ball only 1 time. so on 65% of their scoring drives they've run the ball 1 or less times.

here are the drive by drive numbers
2001:
td 3 pass 2 run
fg 2 pass 2 run
fg 8 pass 0 run

2003:
td 1 pass 3 run
fg 6 pass 0 run
td 5 pass 5 run
td 8 pass 3 run
td 6 pass 0 run

2004
td 6 pass 1 run
td 6 pass 2 run
td 1 pass 4 run
fg 2 pass 5 run

2007
td 8 pass 5 run
td 11 pass 1 run

2011
fg 5 pass 4 run
td 11 pass 4 run
td 5 pass 3 run

2014
td 7 pass 2 run
td 6 pass 2 run
td 8 pass 1 run
td 9 pass 2 run

2016
fg 9 pass 6 run
fg 9 pass 1 run
td 7 pass 6 run
fg 10 pass 1 run
td 5 pass 0 run
td 9 pass 1 run
td 7 pass 2 run

2017
fg 7 pass 2 run
fg 4 pass 0 run
td 4 pass 4 run
td 6 pass 2 run
td 4 pass 4 run
td 6 pass 4 run

2018
fg 5 pass 1 run
td 4 pass 1 run
fg 0 pass 8 run

tempo_n_groove

CROJAM95 said:

JK_Livin said:

CROJAM95 said:

Instead of these crappy new onside kick rules

what does everyone think about: instead of kicking, team wanting to onside would try and convert a 4th & 12 from their own 28 yard line?

you convert... you keep the drive going

i hear the nfl is considering this in the near future

So technically one team could possess the ball for an entire half by always choosing this option after every score? Don't think I'd be up for that.

4th n 12 with a good pass rush ain’t easy to convert

you mess up, other team is already in FG range

Then all you have to do is play prevent defense.  It's almost like defending a Hail Mary and you pretty much know what's coming.

Also 4th and 12 by any analytics stat would be an automatic punt from your own 28.

It's interesting but not very exciting.

The Juggler

JK_Livin said:

CROJAM95 said:

JK_Livin said:

CROJAM95 said:

Instead of these crappy new onside kick rules

what does everyone think about: instead of kicking, team wanting to onside would try and convert a 4th & 12 from their own 28 yard line?

you convert... you keep the drive going

i hear the nfl is considering this in the near future

So technically one team could possess the ball for an entire half by always choosing this option after every score? Don't think I'd be up for that.

4th n 12 with a good pass rush ain’t easy to convert

you mess up, other team is already in FG range

If they don't have a good pass rush, they may never see that ball again.

4th and 12? From what part of the field? How is the down and distance determined?

i hate the new rule. I think they changed it to prevent injuries but I have a hard time remembering a lot of injuries under the previous rule...

tempo_n_groove

The Juggler said:

JK_Livin said:

CROJAM95 said:

JK_Livin said:

CROJAM95 said:

Instead of these crappy new onside kick rules

what does everyone think about: instead of kicking, team wanting to onside would try and convert a 4th & 12 from their own 28 yard line?

you convert... you keep the drive going

i hear the nfl is considering this in the near future

So technically one team could possess the ball for an entire half by always choosing this option after every score? Don't think I'd be up for that.

4th n 12 with a good pass rush ain’t easy to convert

you mess up, other team is already in FG range

If they don't have a good pass rush, they may never see that ball again.

4th and 12? From what part of the field? How is the down and distance determined?

i hate the new rule. I think they changed it to prevent injuries but I have a hard time remembering a lot of injuries under the previous rule...

You don't remember the "wedge"?

Most injuries were occurring from that one.  Locking arms and such, lol.