Can someone explain me, what's wrong about jumping up and down, crowd surfing and a little mosh to a Pearl jam gig?
A little mosh? Seriously... Where were you standing? During the 4 first song I think I even couldn't breath... it was ridiculous. I tried to get out of there but I just couldn't. Every time I tried to take a step back and let the person behind me come in front of me, they just pushed me back to the front. For the first time ever I thought about asking the security to pull me out but I couldn't even get my hands up to ask them. If that's your way of enjoying a show, congrats, I hope I never get to stand next to you.
And just for your interest, at every show I've been to, I have been dancing, jumping, clapping, singing during the whole show. That's a rock concert for me.
jumping and dancing around is great (don't worry I do plenty of that).
Moshing and crowdsurfing hurts people and is not fun for anyone else but the selfish b*stards doing it.
Lisbon and Dublin had just as many foreigners, had a great atmosphere and were far more civilised crowdwise.
I do expect some bumps and tossing about in the pit..I also expect being able to breath somehow.
Some people are stuck in the 90s..Eddie moved on from doing those stupid things..maybe the fans should take the hint..
Keep your cool mate, i'm not looking for an argument with...you
The only piece of advise, i can give you, is not to get standing tickets nexttime. By doing so you'won't be bothered and you'll be able to dance and sing all way threw, and people like me who are willing to do some crowd surfing, od be stuck to the front....will be allowed to...
I do agree with you, the security was crap, and this can be an issue...if any problems wold have occured..
By the way, i don't mosh, and i don't like mosh pit, but i do expect them at a rock concert.......
At reading, the crowd reacted, the same way that in Paris....
The only piece of advise, i can give you, is not to get standing tickets nexttime. By doing so you'won't be bothered and you'll be able to dance and sing all way threw, and people like me who are willing to do some crowd surfing, od be stuck to the front....will be allowed to...
Well,
it's every time the same discussion but...
why should the "violent" people be allowed close to the stage? They're not there to see the band, they're there to push each other back and forth.
Why should the "calmer" people be in the stands? They want to see the band and enjoy the show.
I'm still a fan of the seating shows like in Canada...
The only piece of advise, i can give you, is not to get standing tickets nexttime. By doing so you'won't be bothered and you'll be able to dance and sing all way threw, and people like me who are willing to do some crowd surfing, od be stuck to the front....will be allowed to...
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i dont think the problem was with the odd crowd surfer, i think the point people are trying to make is the select 4 people who just made life hell for everyone by constantly surfing from the middle to the front, then barging their way back to the middle of the standing area and doing it again and again. It distracted alot of people from watching the show and was very unsafe the way they disregarded others safety.
' take 2 bottles into the shower?......not me, I've got no fucking hair!'
Keep your cool mate, i'm not looking for an argument with...you
The only piece of advise, i can give you, is not to get standing tickets nexttime. By doing so you'won't be bothered and you'll be able to dance and sing all way threw, and people like me who are willing to do some crowd surfing, od be stuck to the front....will be allowed to...
I do agree with you, the security was crap, and this can be an issue...if any problems wold have occured..
By the way, i don't mosh, and i don't like mosh pit, but i do expect them at a rock concert.......
At reading, the crowd reacted, the same way that in Paris....
Can't wait to download the show....
the people moshing and crowdsurfing are a tiny minority annoying everyone else...maybe we should make a special enclosure for the animals to thrash at each other freely so the rest of us can have fun.
Security was not crap btw (you obviously were not in Barcelona!)..the only thing they should have done and did not was kick out the half dozen idiot that spend the whole show crowdsurfing (running back to the back to do it again).
Reading was a) a festival, non-fans there, you expect idiots that are not into the music but into making trouble b) tighter but less aggressive than Paris (I was front row at both, I can tell) c) outdoor making it easier on the breathing side.
it's not 1992 anymore, I do not expect a mosh pit at a rock concert (metal, punk, yeah probably still, not rock)..it's evolution baby
And I'm pretty certain that if full blown mosh started, PJ would stop the gig dead..they looked worried enough last night.
I was there, and i got pushed around a good deal during the first four songs too, it was pretty hard but seriously it didin't ruin the show for me, far from it. I'm not a big fan of getting pushed and shoved but it's really no big deal, when i got tired of it i moved back a little and everything was fine and dandy.
I enjoyed this show, i was very pleasantly surprised by the crowd and the band, some versions of some "classic" songs sounded really awesome. I had a great time, talked to a bunch of strangers who were all nice and happy and i left exhausted and happy myself, i wasn't asking for more.
I hated the athmosphere, in Antwerp, when you tried to get to the front, people didn't let you....in paris, they did.....People were more friendly in paris and in Reading than in Antwerp.
People were drinking their beer watching the band....in paris, people, were non stop jumping up and down....so if i had a choice, i'd go for the paris show...
In London, it's exactly the sme, than in Paris, people don't stop moving, crowd surfing....
Maybe, we're not in 1992 any more, but the songs haven't soften either....
The calmer people can't screw up the show for the others....it'is a matter of a fact, that in Rock concerts, they are loads of crowd surfing and moshpits...so if people can't stand it, get a seatre ticket, and everybody's happy like that....
Security were not that good in my opinion, because if pearl Jam had carried on with energetic songs at the beginning....they could have been some people hurt...and you'don't wish anyone to get harmed for a concert.....
I hated the athmosphere, in Antwerp, when you tried to get to the front, people didn't let you....in paris, they did.....People were more friendly in paris and in Reading than in Antwerp.
People were drinking their beer watching the band....in paris, people, were non stop jumping up and down....so if i had a choice, i'd go for the paris show...
In London, it's exactly the sme, than in Paris, people don't stop moving, crowd surfing....
Maybe, we're not in 1992 any more, but the songs haven't soften either....
The calmer people can't screw up the show for the others....it'is a matter of a fact, that in Rock concerts, they are loads of crowd surfing and moshpits...so if people can't stand it, get a seatre ticket, and everybody's happy like that....
Security were not that good in my opinion, because if pearl Jam had carried on with energetic songs at the beginning....they could have been some people hurt...and you'don't wish anyone to get harmed for a concert.....
Benjamin
You mean in Paris you were able to force your way to the front! I know I was far less inclined in making space for someone in Paris than anywhere else but Reading..there was too much need of that space.
there are middle grounds between standing still and moshing..like there's a middle ground between teatotal and alcoholic.
the security was not to fault for the dangerous situation, the crowd was.
Lisbon had exactly the same setting for the Pit..but a larger venue..and there was NO problem (air conditionning helped there, made the atmosphere more breathable)
again, there's only a tiny minority that does the moshing and crowdsurfing so why should the majority have to 'seat' to give them space to be upfront to not actually watch the show?
I do not want seated shows, I do enjoy the bit of bouncing around, but I'm old enough to understand that my enjoyement has for limit the one when other people are suffering from it.
The moshing and skydiving has nothing to do with how hard the music is. The hundreds of gigs I've seen in my young life vary from Pearl Jam (of course :-) ) over Tindersticks to ACDC, The Walkabouts, Arch Enemy (not that I really liked it but I happened to be there), Tom Robinson, Iron Maiden, U2, Type O Negative etc etc etc. so I think I know what I am talking about ( and I happen to have some years of security experience ) ...
The only conclusion I can make is that moshing has to do with maturity and common sense. I've seen very hard rock concerts where the atmosphere was really good without anyone skydiving. I like jumping and clapping and shouting (I'm not so much of a singer), but I don't think anyone has the right to hurt and really disturb people ... I saw some people who were really in pain yesterday
Oh, and for the record ... I used to mosh a lot ... when I was 17 .... at parties ... when smells Like Teen Spirit was a hit ...
Rock concert is not = being pushed, pulled, not being able to move, not being able to put your hands above your head to pass on crowdsufers, being swung 10 meters back and forth every few seconds, not being able to watch the stage because there was so much goddamn pushing.
Yeah right!!!
Those f****g crowdsurfers (even stupid 'no-brains' girls), pushers, drunk people, ... are NOT real Pearl Jam fans! They just come to a rock and roll concert to kick some ass and go crazy!
Pearl Jam deserve really much better than those poor 'little kids'!
And ... the crowd in Antwerp was more respectfull and much better!
Antwerp 30-08-2006, Paris 11-09-2006, Berlin 23-09-2006.
Düsseldorf 21-06-2007, Nijmegen 28-06-2007, Werchter 29-06-2007.
London Shepherd's Bush 11-08-2009, Rotterdam 13-08-2009.
Nijmegen 27-06-2010, Berlin 30-06-2010, Arras 04-07-2010,
Werchter 05-07-2010, Manchester 20-06-2012, Amsterdam 26-06-2012, Amsterdam 27-06-2012, Werchter 29-06-2012, Berlin 04-07-2012, Amsterdam 16-06-2014, Amsterdam 17-06-2014, Werchter 05-07-2014
Firstly, just wanted to say hey to the lovely Irish peeps I met at the concert, Conor, Emma, Dave etc. I shall drop you an e-mail soon. And Lou of course. So glad to have met you Lou
I'm actually quite relieved to read some of these stories. I was feeling very ashamed, embarrassed, disappointed & annoyed with myself because I had managed to get 2nd row from the barrier, but I collapsed after the first 3 or 4 songs, had to be hauled out by security & promptly collapsed again as I couldn't stand up when they got me out. Went backstage with the paramedics & missed a few songs. Given the all clear & came out to enjoy the concert from the back. I have been to many concerts, at the front, & I love jumping around & stuff! But this was different. There was such crush & pain from everywhere!! I couldn't breath & the only water I got was poured down my throat by security so I choked on it. It was all very scary.
Overall enjoyed the concert, although loved Leeds so much more.
I'm in two minds now as to whether I would get standing for another PJ show. Which is a shame coz I always get standing for all the concerts I go to.... Nevermind.
I agree with people saying it doesn't have to be one extreme or the other. People can still have fun without squahing the air out of people's lungs in front. If I think back now & try & remember what songs were played (or anything that happened) when I was in the pit, I couldn't tell you.
The show was definately awesome! But agree that the pushing etc. at the front was over the top - at times I couldn't breathe and I have a bruised shoulder from when a crowd surfer booted me as he went by.
But overall it rocked for me! I've never been so close before and by the end part I was on one of the middle side ways railings so I could see really well :0)
Also met some awesome people - met up with Wishlist from this forum to give her a ticket and we hung out at the concert, had a really good time! And met a girl and a guy from Cardiff (don't know the names...) as I was walking to the venue who were really friendly :0)
Oh yeah and I was weirdly chuffed when Kerensa was walking up and down past me on the railings taking photos - it was just like "Wow! There she is!"...
Anyhoo that's the end of the tour for me and I'm so glad I was there! Thanks PJ for being the only band I would travel the world for! :0)
4/20/06 Astoria
8/29/06 Arnhem
9/11/06 Paris
6/18/07 London
What a show! Pearljamboy (sorry i didnt get your name in the ten club que!) I know your bro is called John though! This is John from Reading! What a great show, nature called after My Morning Jacket so I thought I should take the mission to the toilets, hoping I would keep my space in the front row (wishfull thinking I know!!) and then tried to get back to the front and though better of it after nearly being assulted by some French dudes! I eventually found a great litle spot with some fans rocking out in our own little space, no idea who they are but tey were cool a couple of people from Birmingham I think and some others. Pearljamboy I will PM you and send you the Reading DVD!
The setlist was fantastic, personal favs were marker in the sand, thumbing my way, you are and black. The crowd were so up for it singing away. didnt see anyone sat down when the lights came up for rockin in the free world! My tenclub second ticket went to my best mate who stayed front row and gave me Mike's pic at the end of the show, THANK YOU!! :-)
overall great night, ten club fans who i spoke to sorry i didnt get your names but you are all cool! cant wait to meet up again when the boys come back to Europe!
I came over from the Leeds to see the show whilst having a little holiday visiting my brother who lives in Paris. It was his first show and despite not being a fanatic like me, he loved it.
In the queue for tickets we met some really awesome tenclubbers. This was my third show, but my first tenclub show. It was great talking to people about what shows they had been to and what they thought the setlist was going to be. We met two guys, one was from Reading and was called John (hello! if you read this) and his mate whose name I didn't catch (but was cool).The organisation for the tikcets wasn't great, but the pleasant company made up for that.
We managed to get a good place in front of Mike, one row back. We met a guy from Canada, who, when I asked him how many shows he had been to he said 'only 16':) One example of how cool the tenclubbers were, versus some of the rest of the crowd, was the fact that I saved this canadian guy's place at the front before the show started, whilst he went to the toilet. Then he did the same for me, much to the protest of some of the people that came in later. It is really nice when people look out for eachother even when they are total strangers. That always makes shows loads better in my opinion.
Having secured a good spot we lost it almost immediately. People were being real assholes at the front. It was much more hectic than at the front of Leeds, which is saying something, since that was a festival. The crowd were just pushing to the front too much and it seemed very much 'everyone for themselves', which was a shame.
It was an awesome performance, Mike was on fire, great songs. Awesome behind the head solo on Even Flow. Lots of pointing to the crowd. I got his attention a few times, but then felt awful when I had stuck one finger up during the ''fuck yoooou bit of Not for You and he saw:O He mouthed 'Me?'and then shook his head:) I am sure he was kidding and knew I was just singing along and wasn't flipping him off, but I am getting neurotic about it now:). I am sorry Mike, you rock!!!:)
I think I would have enjoyed the show more if I wasn't spending most of my time trying to stay upright and not pass out. I second what people are saying about the water. I don't know why, but they didn't pass out cups, they just had guys pouring water from bottles into people's mouths and wouldn't pass the bottles into the crowd. I ended up getting pretty dehydrated because I couldn't get quite near enough the guy to get any water. I am used to standing gigs and I was glad PJ came and did one, I just think the crowd should have respected eachother a bit more. At Leeds I took my own water in and shared it with people, which was much better. Here I lost all my energy by the time they did the first encore.
Anyway to counterbalance my complaining, it was a thrill to hear 'You've Got to Hide Your Love Away'. 'You Are' was awesome. I was really glad they played 'Marker in the Sand', because that is one of my faves off the new album. 'Life Wasted' rocked. I didn't expect to hear 'Parachutes' either, so that was a nice surprise. I thought they were going to go into 'Save it For Later' at the end of 'Betterman', but they didn't. There was some good crowd mirroring Eddie 'heeeeyo' stuff. I got spun round during RITFW as I was rocking so hard and I saw the whole crowd lit up going crazy and singing their hearts out. That was a brilliant moment.
Overall a great gig. I was drenched by the end and glad to go home and shower, before going out for some beers to deconstruct the gig with my brother. Nice to meet all you international tenclubbers and thanks for coming PJ, hope to see you again soon!
'Life comes from within your heart and desire'
~~Wembley 2000, Reading 2006, Paris 2006, Wembley 2007~~
I was there and I think it's sad that the "fanviews" thread is only about "how was the crowd"...
Anyway, this is the second gig of my lide in France, and this is the last one !!!
People bushing and almost breaking my back were just b*s*ards... They should follow eddie's advise and take care.
jumping and moving is a normal thing in a rock show but yesterday was really too much... during the first minute of corduroy, I saw at least 10 people around me asking security guys to pull them out.. and those fans, who had wait in the sun since 2 or 3 pm, have been obliged to go back, just because 10 or 20 stupid mo**er*uc*er wanted to "jump"..
I don't see how you can enjoy the gig in with such an attitude...
It's a teenager behaviour, of the 90's...
except for that, the setlist was very good and I enjoied the show.
You are andd love boat captain were awsome...
Thanks again to Pearl Jam and the real fans I met for that great moment...
2006: Antwerp, Paris
2007: Copenhagen, Werchter
2009: Rotterdam, London
2010: MSG, Arras, Werchter
2012: Amsterdam, Prague, Berlin
2014: Amsterdam, Stockholm
I'm gonna review the concert, and then give my 2 cents worth on the whole crowd surfing and moshing debate. Probably get flamed both ways but nevermind.
I thought the gig was tight, but not great. Played some fantastic songs and some stuff I never expected to hear such as You Are and Thumbing My Way. HAve come to realize that thumbing my way isn't a great gig song. Dunno why but i think it didn't seem to fit and seemed to go on for a while. Met some fantastic PJammers that night. Big shoutout to all, Stian, D'Arcy, Randall, Stephane, Byrnzie and many more. Sorry if I've forgotten your names already. Hope to see you all soon at a PJ gig not too far away!!! Fulfilled 2 of my wishes last night in Paris, I got to listen to Yellow Ledbetter close a show and i got to crowd surf to even flow!!! Unbelievable. The crowd was a bit mental for the first few songs. Was 2 or 3 rows back against the left barrier and i think i've got bruised ribs from being pushed into the barrier. Or maybe it's the crowd surfing!! Not sure!! As far as gigs go, I've seen PJ 3 times now, and in order of prefernce i'd have to rank it as :
1) Marseille
2) Dublin
3) Paris
As for the whole moshing and crowd surfing thing, I think it's alright to mosh but i think some consideration is due for others around you. And I don't think theres any point in flailing your arms wildly and pushing people on all sides. However, I do think rock concerts are rock concerts and some leevay should be given to people who wanna 'rock out'. As for my crowd surfing antics, I have always really wanted to crowd surf to even flow. Has been a dying dream of mine from the first day I saw the even flow video. Don't think i'll ever do it again though. Don't see the harm in it. But can't really stand the people who do it over and over and over again. And there were a few who just kept doing it. Still i thought it was awesome.
At the end of the day, i think it's all about safety. If you wanna mosh, just take care of those around you. BE considerate. IF someone falls, help them up. If the people around you don't seem to be too happy about you moshing, then tone it down or move to an area where people seem more into the moshing. Different people go to gigs for different reasons and I'm sure if theres a little give and take, it'll be a fantastic eexperience for all.
If Pearl Jam was a beer, they'd probably be the best beer in the world!!
Hi, I'm new to this board, but I was in Paris yesterday for my first pearl jam show ever and I wanted to express my joy! It was incredible! I've been an avid pearl jam listener for 10 years and never had the chance to see them for many good and not so good reasons. So yesterday was really a great day for me.
I found the setlist very good and was really happy to hear most of the songs I was wishing for.
When I managed to get a hold of a ticket it happened to be a seated one, and I was kind of disappointed (but it's ok I was as near as possible from the scene). During the show I was wondering what it was like in the pit, it seemed really cool from the seats, but after reading your impressions I'm kinda glad I stayed up there. From where I was it really was an incredible show, the crowd was terrific with nice singing, and the band was everything I hoped it would be. So thanks to pearl jam, and to the fans.
My personal favorite were rockin in the free world and not for you. Animal was really cool too.
It was my first show too. Maybe a classic setlist but what a public, what a band, what an energy! i had a sit but didn't use, just like almost of the people. now i can die (but i will wait 'til the next gig)
would you expect french people to act any differently???
all4
Not really.. unfortunately...
2006: Antwerp, Paris
2007: Copenhagen, Werchter
2009: Rotterdam, London
2010: MSG, Arras, Werchter
2012: Amsterdam, Prague, Berlin
2014: Amsterdam, Stockholm
Sorry to hear those stories about how tough the crowd was.
It was already like this when they came in 2000. There must be something with Bercy !
I was in Marseille in the pit (4-5th row) and I was exhausted at the end of the concert so I went for a safer area in Paris (along the middle barrier on Stone's side) knowing that the pit could be harder here in Paris.
Anyway I really enjoyed the show, good participation of the crowd and it seems that PJ members were also having some good time. I went outside of the venue with a big smile on my face and this is why I love PJ.
Looking forward to see them again in France ... but I would prefer not to wait for 6 years this time !
I would say every p.j show has some movement,but that took the piss these peole have never been to a p.j show,<I spoke to 2 of them before the show> not fans.
enough said ,on to the music i ticked a few songs off my list of live songs i wanted to hear,loved parachutes,thumbing my way but to name a couple.
i am luky enough to have been able to see a good few shows this year and going to hear lots of the same songs so am gratefull totick a few different ones.
not the best gig i have attended,but that said i went to astoria and barca which i would say were highlights of this year
brixton 93
astoria 06
albany 06
hartford 06
reading 06
barcelona 06
paris 06
wembley 07
dusseldorf 07
nijmegen 07
this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
I already mentioned this in another thread, comparing the crowds in Paris and Marseille.
Paris and Marseille are opposites. One is a northern city where people tend to be more egotistical, where the weather stinks 80% of the time and this reflects on the people. The other is in the south where it is sunny 99% of the time, where people are much more laid back, and know and help their neighbors.
It seems the atmosphere in the pit is a reflection of the atmosphere of the city.
I don't know how many of those fools that scraped our heads being pulled out of the pit due to theiur surfing activity were local, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were.
I saw at least 10 people around me asking security guys to pull them out.. and those fans, who had wait in the sun since 2 or 3 pm, have been obliged to go back, just because 10 or 20 stupid mo**er*uc*er wanted to "jump"..
Jup,
I saw quite a few people in the back of the venue during the show that had been in the Ten Club line since like 2pm (when we arrived) and were in the first 2 rows from the early entrance till Pearl Jam started. Not cool.
I felt so sorry for the couple from Chicago. Awesome people. Been talking with them for quite a while. Were in Kitchener as well, so we had something to talk about. It was their first show in Europe, fan club member since 1991 and then after 2 songs they asked security to pull them out. If you read this, I apologize for the French crowd. Hope you enjoy it more in Bern & Verona (I'm sure you will).
Hey Mike, let me tell u something....if u feel pearl Jam is still a abnd where u can bounce, don't go and see them in Antwerpen, you'll be bored....
To make my point, because, like in reading, in Paris i was able make my way threw to the front, with people around me really really nice and not nasty at all. I'M NOT A MOSHER, but i still feel tat RITFW was unbelievable, beacus of the athmosphere of the crowd the same for evolution and Go....
When they played Cosmatose Hail Hail and Not For u in Antwerpen, the crowed were sticks....hardly moved, and i was asking myself...how can't u move on these songs? It's not about 92 or anything else, i'm just asking yself....
In Reading, the athmosphere was the same....than in pris, everyone was excited....and jumping up and donw...there's nothing wrong doing so at a rock concert...especially whan you've waited....6 years to see them....acting like a stick is something i don't understand....
By the way, the crowd was younger in Paris than in Antwerp and there were more foreigners....that's for sure...
I've sworn to myself, if it's not to see Pearl jam, i will never attend Antwerp sportspalais ever again...
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A little mosh? Seriously... Where were you standing? During the 4 first song I think I even couldn't breath... it was ridiculous. I tried to get out of there but I just couldn't. Every time I tried to take a step back and let the person behind me come in front of me, they just pushed me back to the front. For the first time ever I thought about asking the security to pull me out but I couldn't even get my hands up to ask them. If that's your way of enjoying a show, congrats, I hope I never get to stand next to you.
And just for your interest, at every show I've been to, I have been dancing, jumping, clapping, singing during the whole show. That's a rock concert for me.
00: 7/2 (cancelled...)
05: 9/11,9/12,9/13,9/15,9/16,9/19
06: 8/23,8/30, 9/9, 9/11
07: 6/26, 6/29
*****
Moshing and crowdsurfing hurts people and is not fun for anyone else but the selfish b*stards doing it.
Lisbon and Dublin had just as many foreigners, had a great atmosphere and were far more civilised crowdwise.
I do expect some bumps and tossing about in the pit..I also expect being able to breath somehow.
Some people are stuck in the 90s..Eddie moved on from doing those stupid things..maybe the fans should take the hint..
The only piece of advise, i can give you, is not to get standing tickets nexttime. By doing so you'won't be bothered and you'll be able to dance and sing all way threw, and people like me who are willing to do some crowd surfing, od be stuck to the front....will be allowed to...
I do agree with you, the security was crap, and this can be an issue...if any problems wold have occured..
By the way, i don't mosh, and i don't like mosh pit, but i do expect them at a rock concert.......
At reading, the crowd reacted, the same way that in Paris....
Can't wait to download the show....
Well,
it's every time the same discussion but...
why should the "violent" people be allowed close to the stage? They're not there to see the band, they're there to push each other back and forth.
Why should the "calmer" people be in the stands? They want to see the band and enjoy the show.
I'm still a fan of the seating shows like in Canada...
00: 7/2 (cancelled...)
05: 9/11,9/12,9/13,9/15,9/16,9/19
06: 8/23,8/30, 9/9, 9/11
07: 6/26, 6/29
*****
yes, I did. Even more.
00: 7/2 (cancelled...)
05: 9/11,9/12,9/13,9/15,9/16,9/19
06: 8/23,8/30, 9/9, 9/11
07: 6/26, 6/29
*****
i dont think the problem was with the odd crowd surfer, i think the point people are trying to make is the select 4 people who just made life hell for everyone by constantly surfing from the middle to the front, then barging their way back to the middle of the standing area and doing it again and again. It distracted alot of people from watching the show and was very unsafe the way they disregarded others safety.
Wembley 00..Astoria 06..Albany 06..Hartford 06..Barcelona 06..Paris 06..Wembley 07..Dusseldorf 07..Nijmegen 07
Security was not crap btw (you obviously were not in Barcelona!)..the only thing they should have done and did not was kick out the half dozen idiot that spend the whole show crowdsurfing (running back to the back to do it again).
Reading was a) a festival, non-fans there, you expect idiots that are not into the music but into making trouble b) tighter but less aggressive than Paris (I was front row at both, I can tell) c) outdoor making it easier on the breathing side.
it's not 1992 anymore, I do not expect a mosh pit at a rock concert (metal, punk, yeah probably still, not rock)..it's evolution baby
And I'm pretty certain that if full blown mosh started, PJ would stop the gig dead..they looked worried enough last night.
I enjoyed this show, i was very pleasantly surprised by the crowd and the band, some versions of some "classic" songs sounded really awesome. I had a great time, talked to a bunch of strangers who were all nice and happy and i left exhausted and happy myself, i wasn't asking for more.
People were drinking their beer watching the band....in paris, people, were non stop jumping up and down....so if i had a choice, i'd go for the paris show...
In London, it's exactly the sme, than in Paris, people don't stop moving, crowd surfing....
Maybe, we're not in 1992 any more, but the songs haven't soften either....
The calmer people can't screw up the show for the others....it'is a matter of a fact, that in Rock concerts, they are loads of crowd surfing and moshpits...so if people can't stand it, get a seatre ticket, and everybody's happy like that....
Security were not that good in my opinion, because if pearl Jam had carried on with energetic songs at the beginning....they could have been some people hurt...and you'don't wish anyone to get harmed for a concert.....
Benjamin
there are middle grounds between standing still and moshing..like there's a middle ground between teatotal and alcoholic.
the security was not to fault for the dangerous situation, the crowd was.
Lisbon had exactly the same setting for the Pit..but a larger venue..and there was NO problem (air conditionning helped there, made the atmosphere more breathable)
again, there's only a tiny minority that does the moshing and crowdsurfing so why should the majority have to 'seat' to give them space to be upfront to not actually watch the show?
I do not want seated shows, I do enjoy the bit of bouncing around, but I'm old enough to understand that my enjoyement has for limit the one when other people are suffering from it.
The only conclusion I can make is that moshing has to do with maturity and common sense. I've seen very hard rock concerts where the atmosphere was really good without anyone skydiving. I like jumping and clapping and shouting (I'm not so much of a singer), but I don't think anyone has the right to hurt and really disturb people ... I saw some people who were really in pain yesterday
Oh, and for the record ... I used to mosh a lot ... when I was 17 .... at parties ... when smells Like Teen Spirit was a hit ...
Antwerp (!) 06
Paris 06
Verona 06
Prague 06
Wembley 07
Duesseldorf 07
Nijmegen 07
Werchter (!) 07
Yeah right!!!
Those f****g crowdsurfers (even stupid 'no-brains' girls), pushers, drunk people, ... are NOT real Pearl Jam fans! They just come to a rock and roll concert to kick some ass and go crazy!
Pearl Jam deserve really much better than those poor 'little kids'!
And ... the crowd in Antwerp was more respectfull and much better!
Düsseldorf 21-06-2007, Nijmegen 28-06-2007, Werchter 29-06-2007.
London Shepherd's Bush 11-08-2009, Rotterdam 13-08-2009.
Nijmegen 27-06-2010, Berlin 30-06-2010, Arras 04-07-2010,
Werchter 05-07-2010, Manchester 20-06-2012, Amsterdam 26-06-2012, Amsterdam 27-06-2012, Werchter 29-06-2012, Berlin 04-07-2012, Amsterdam 16-06-2014, Amsterdam 17-06-2014, Werchter 05-07-2014
I'm actually quite relieved to read some of these stories. I was feeling very ashamed, embarrassed, disappointed & annoyed with myself because I had managed to get 2nd row from the barrier, but I collapsed after the first 3 or 4 songs, had to be hauled out by security & promptly collapsed again as I couldn't stand up when they got me out. Went backstage with the paramedics & missed a few songs. Given the all clear & came out to enjoy the concert from the back. I have been to many concerts, at the front, & I love jumping around & stuff! But this was different. There was such crush & pain from everywhere!! I couldn't breath & the only water I got was poured down my throat by security so I choked on it. It was all very scary.
Overall enjoyed the concert, although loved Leeds so much more.
I'm in two minds now as to whether I would get standing for another PJ show. Which is a shame coz I always get standing for all the concerts I go to.... Nevermind.
I agree with people saying it doesn't have to be one extreme or the other. People can still have fun without squahing the air out of people's lungs in front. If I think back now & try & remember what songs were played (or anything that happened) when I was in the pit, I couldn't tell you.
But overall it rocked for me! I've never been so close before and by the end part I was on one of the middle side ways railings so I could see really well :0)
Also met some awesome people - met up with Wishlist from this forum to give her a ticket and we hung out at the concert, had a really good time! And met a girl and a guy from Cardiff (don't know the names...) as I was walking to the venue who were really friendly :0)
Oh yeah and I was weirdly chuffed when Kerensa was walking up and down past me on the railings taking photos - it was just like "Wow! There she is!"...
Anyhoo that's the end of the tour for me and I'm so glad I was there! Thanks PJ for being the only band I would travel the world for! :0)
8/29/06 Arnhem
9/11/06 Paris
6/18/07 London
The setlist was fantastic, personal favs were marker in the sand, thumbing my way, you are and black. The crowd were so up for it singing away. didnt see anyone sat down when the lights came up for rockin in the free world! My tenclub second ticket went to my best mate who stayed front row and gave me Mike's pic at the end of the show, THANK YOU!! :-)
overall great night, ten club fans who i spoke to sorry i didnt get your names but you are all cool! cant wait to meet up again when the boys come back to Europe!
~~Wembley 2000, Reading 2006, Paris 2006, Wembley 2007~~
Anyway, this is the second gig of my lide in France, and this is the last one !!!
People bushing and almost breaking my back were just b*s*ards... They should follow eddie's advise and take care.
jumping and moving is a normal thing in a rock show but yesterday was really too much... during the first minute of corduroy, I saw at least 10 people around me asking security guys to pull them out.. and those fans, who had wait in the sun since 2 or 3 pm, have been obliged to go back, just because 10 or 20 stupid mo**er*uc*er wanted to "jump"..
I don't see how you can enjoy the gig in with such an attitude...
It's a teenager behaviour, of the 90's...
except for that, the setlist was very good and I enjoied the show.
You are andd love boat captain were awsome...
Thanks again to Pearl Jam and the real fans I met for that great moment...
2007: Copenhagen, Werchter
2009: Rotterdam, London
2010: MSG, Arras, Werchter
2012: Amsterdam, Prague, Berlin
2014: Amsterdam, Stockholm
I thought the gig was tight, but not great. Played some fantastic songs and some stuff I never expected to hear such as You Are and Thumbing My Way. HAve come to realize that thumbing my way isn't a great gig song. Dunno why but i think it didn't seem to fit and seemed to go on for a while. Met some fantastic PJammers that night. Big shoutout to all, Stian, D'Arcy, Randall, Stephane, Byrnzie and many more. Sorry if I've forgotten your names already. Hope to see you all soon at a PJ gig not too far away!!! Fulfilled 2 of my wishes last night in Paris, I got to listen to Yellow Ledbetter close a show and i got to crowd surf to even flow!!! Unbelievable. The crowd was a bit mental for the first few songs. Was 2 or 3 rows back against the left barrier and i think i've got bruised ribs from being pushed into the barrier. Or maybe it's the crowd surfing!! Not sure!! As far as gigs go, I've seen PJ 3 times now, and in order of prefernce i'd have to rank it as :
1) Marseille
2) Dublin
3) Paris
As for the whole moshing and crowd surfing thing, I think it's alright to mosh but i think some consideration is due for others around you. And I don't think theres any point in flailing your arms wildly and pushing people on all sides. However, I do think rock concerts are rock concerts and some leevay should be given to people who wanna 'rock out'. As for my crowd surfing antics, I have always really wanted to crowd surf to even flow. Has been a dying dream of mine from the first day I saw the even flow video. Don't think i'll ever do it again though. Don't see the harm in it. But can't really stand the people who do it over and over and over again. And there were a few who just kept doing it. Still i thought it was awesome.
At the end of the day, i think it's all about safety. If you wanna mosh, just take care of those around you. BE considerate. IF someone falls, help them up. If the people around you don't seem to be too happy about you moshing, then tone it down or move to an area where people seem more into the moshing. Different people go to gigs for different reasons and I'm sure if theres a little give and take, it'll be a fantastic eexperience for all.
I found the setlist very good and was really happy to hear most of the songs I was wishing for.
When I managed to get a hold of a ticket it happened to be a seated one, and I was kind of disappointed (but it's ok I was as near as possible from the scene). During the show I was wondering what it was like in the pit, it seemed really cool from the seats, but after reading your impressions I'm kinda glad I stayed up there. From where I was it really was an incredible show, the crowd was terrific with nice singing, and the band was everything I hoped it would be. So thanks to pearl jam, and to the fans.
My personal favorite were rockin in the free world and not for you. Animal was really cool too.
all4
Not really.. unfortunately...
2007: Copenhagen, Werchter
2009: Rotterdam, London
2010: MSG, Arras, Werchter
2012: Amsterdam, Prague, Berlin
2014: Amsterdam, Stockholm
It was already like this when they came in 2000. There must be something with Bercy !
I was in Marseille in the pit (4-5th row) and I was exhausted at the end of the concert so I went for a safer area in Paris (along the middle barrier on Stone's side) knowing that the pit could be harder here in Paris.
Anyway I really enjoyed the show, good participation of the crowd and it seems that PJ members were also having some good time. I went outside of the venue with a big smile on my face and this is why I love PJ.
Looking forward to see them again in France ... but I would prefer not to wait for 6 years this time !
enough said ,on to the music i ticked a few songs off my list of live songs i wanted to hear,loved parachutes,thumbing my way but to name a couple.
i am luky enough to have been able to see a good few shows this year and going to hear lots of the same songs so am gratefull totick a few different ones.
not the best gig i have attended,but that said i went to astoria and barca which i would say were highlights of this year
astoria 06
albany 06
hartford 06
reading 06
barcelona 06
paris 06
wembley 07
dusseldorf 07
nijmegen 07
this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
Paris and Marseille are opposites. One is a northern city where people tend to be more egotistical, where the weather stinks 80% of the time and this reflects on the people. The other is in the south where it is sunny 99% of the time, where people are much more laid back, and know and help their neighbors.
It seems the atmosphere in the pit is a reflection of the atmosphere of the city.
I don't know how many of those fools that scraped our heads being pulled out of the pit due to theiur surfing activity were local, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were.
Jup,
I saw quite a few people in the back of the venue during the show that had been in the Ten Club line since like 2pm (when we arrived) and were in the first 2 rows from the early entrance till Pearl Jam started. Not cool.
I felt so sorry for the couple from Chicago. Awesome people. Been talking with them for quite a while. Were in Kitchener as well, so we had something to talk about. It was their first show in Europe, fan club member since 1991 and then after 2 songs they asked security to pull them out. If you read this, I apologize for the French crowd. Hope you enjoy it more in Bern & Verona (I'm sure you will).
00: 7/2 (cancelled...)
05: 9/11,9/12,9/13,9/15,9/16,9/19
06: 8/23,8/30, 9/9, 9/11
07: 6/26, 6/29
*****
To make my point, because, like in reading, in Paris i was able make my way threw to the front, with people around me really really nice and not nasty at all. I'M NOT A MOSHER, but i still feel tat RITFW was unbelievable, beacus of the athmosphere of the crowd the same for evolution and Go....
When they played Cosmatose Hail Hail and Not For u in Antwerpen, the crowed were sticks....hardly moved, and i was asking myself...how can't u move on these songs? It's not about 92 or anything else, i'm just asking yself....
In Reading, the athmosphere was the same....than in pris, everyone was excited....and jumping up and donw...there's nothing wrong doing so at a rock concert...especially whan you've waited....6 years to see them....acting like a stick is something i don't understand....
By the way, the crowd was younger in Paris than in Antwerp and there were more foreigners....that's for sure...
I've sworn to myself, if it's not to see Pearl jam, i will never attend Antwerp sportspalais ever again...