Penn State Scandal

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Bronx Bombers wrote:

The same mother also unloaded on McQueary, who testified that as a 28-year-old graduate assistant in 2002 he witnessed Sandusky sexually abusing a young boy but did not make an effort to stop him, instead calling his father for advice before reporting the incident to Joe Paterno: 

"I don't even have words to talk about the betrayal that I feel," said the mom of Victim Six. "[McQueary] was a grown man, and he saw a boy being sodomized ... He ran and called his daddy?"

Former NFL linebacker LaVarr Arrington, who played with McQueary at Penn State, is equally confused. From his radio show on 106.7 FM in Washington D.C., as transcribed by The Patriot-News:
"I know Mike [McQueary]. Mike was my quarterback,'' Arrington said.

"I know him. So I'm trying to understand, how do you, and again, maybe he felt as though it would be better suited if it came from Coach Paterno. ... I'm going to tell you right now, I gotta stop that [assault].

"Even if it's, 'Coach [Sandusky], I gotta stop you. ... I gotta take this to Coach Paterno right now'. This is not good, oh my gosh, this is not good.'' 

http://mobile.sbnation.com/ncaa-footbal ... e-mcqueary

I don't know how Mike McQueary sleeps at night. 

Witnessing a man having sex with a boy I'm going to intercede in one way or another EVEN if that boy was a willing participant. Also EVEN if that man was that boss was Joe.

I will say these pedophiles are skilled at what they in hiding it from those who suspect them. I once taught pre-school and at our field we had kids youth soccer games played there. There was a coach who molelested children right there on the field while parents, coaches, players and other teachers including myself and we never suspected a thing. I gather in that case it the child doesn't notify anyone we just never know. He revealed this later after he was arrested, convicted and sentenced to 25-life.

Peace

Cliffy6745

I have more mixed feelings than I had the other day and posted in the college football thread but I thought this was pretty good.

http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2011/11 ... estigation

blackredyellow

g under p wrote:

Bronx Bombers wrote:

The same mother also unloaded on McQueary, who testified that as a 28-year-old graduate assistant in 2002 he witnessed Sandusky sexually abusing a young boy but did not make an effort to stop him, instead calling his father for advice before reporting the incident to Joe Paterno: 

"I don't even have words to talk about the betrayal that I feel," said the mom of Victim Six. "[McQueary] was a grown man, and he saw a boy being sodomized ... He ran and called his daddy?"

Former NFL linebacker LaVarr Arrington, who played with McQueary at Penn State, is equally confused. From his radio show on 106.7 FM in Washington D.C., as transcribed by The Patriot-News:
"I know Mike [McQueary]. Mike was my quarterback,'' Arrington said.

"I know him. So I'm trying to understand, how do you, and again, maybe he felt as though it would be better suited if it came from Coach Paterno. ... I'm going to tell you right now, I gotta stop that [assault].

"Even if it's, 'Coach [Sandusky], I gotta stop you. ... I gotta take this to Coach Paterno right now'. This is not good, oh my gosh, this is not good.'' 

http://mobile.sbnation.com/ncaa-footbal ... e-mcqueary

I don't know how Mike McQueary sleeps at night. 

Witnessing a man having sex with a boy I'm going to intercede in one way or another EVEN if that boy was a willing participant. Also EVEN if that man was that boss was Joe.

I will say these pedophiles are skilled at what they in hiding it from those who suspect them. I once taught pre-school and at our field we had kids youth soccer games played there. There was a coach who molelested children right there on the field while parents, coaches, players and other teachers including myself and we never suspected a thing. I gather in that case it the child doesn't notify anyone we just never know. He revealed this later after he was arrested, convicted and sentenced to 25-life.

Peace

I was just listen to ESPN Radio, and the no nonsense Herm Edwards was on Cowherd's show.

"When you see a child in danger, you have to do something about it. Right now... There is no protocol, there is no, 'I'm gonna tell this person'. You have to go do what you need to do to protect that child.

You say, I don't care, I'm getting in a fist fight, I might get beat up, but I'm going to protect that child.

That's your obligation as an adult. That is your responsibility... Doesn't have to be your child, any child. That's how it works."

tybird

g under p wrote:

Witnessing a man having sex with a boy I'm going to intercede in one way or another EVEN if that boy was a willing participant. Also EVEN if that man was that boss was Joe.

I will say these pedophiles are skilled at what they in hiding it from those who suspect them. I once taught pre-school and at our field we had kids youth soccer games played there. There was a coach who molelested children right there on the field while parents, coaches, players and other teachers including myself and we never suspected a thing. I gather in that case it the child doesn't notify anyone we just never know. He revealed this later after he was arrested, convicted and sentenced to 25-life.

Peace

From the child's perspective, you are afraid to tell anyone because you believe that you will be punished for being bad....then there is the embarrassment factor which renders you silent for years despite the damage that causes to your entire well-being. Being a victim of this crime truly sucks....I can not imagine what the actual cost of the damage over a life-time is....JoePa and the university need to step-up and cover any costs needed to help these boys.

Cliffy6745

JK_Livin wrote:

http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/hr.asp?fpVname=PA_PN&ref_pge=lst

WOW!

This is probably the best take I have seen so far.

g under p

I bet you anything McQueary becomes a fall guy in all of this and this link of events started with what he witnessed. It shouldn't be that way you watch he will probably leave PS and if he does so should Joe Paterno. This is truly a mess.

Peace

tybird

JK_Livin wrote:

http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/hr.asp?fpVname=PA_PN&ref_pge=lst

WOW!

:thumbup:

tybird

g under p wrote:

I bet you anything McQueary becomes a fall guy in all of this and this link of events started with what he witnessed. It shouldn't be that way you watch he will probably leave PS and if he does so should Joe Paterno. This is truly a mess.

Peace

That's why he went to his father for advice....he knew he was the low man on the totem pole and would probably get tossed under the bus before anyone else.

Bronx Bombers

He should definitely take a fall he's nothing but a gutless coward as is paterno. Fuck the both of them.

g under p wrote:

I bet you anything McQueary becomes a fall guy in all of this and this link of events started with what he witnessed. It shouldn't be that way you watch he will probably leave PS and if he does so should Joe Paterno. This is truly a mess.

Peace

polaris_x

wow ... in reading all this stuff ... makes one consider those moments in time ... those moments when your moral fortitude is put to a very real test ... in my opinion ... many people fail these tests ... we like to think we would do the right thing every time ... but you never know until that moment comes ...

i'm not absolving mcquery here ... but we don't really know the culture back then ... people on this board get bent out of shape if you rat a scalper out or someone who's making a profit on PJ merch ... obviously, these guys will say this is completely different, either way - my point is simply that there may have been a culture that made mcquery not act in a way that i am sure he surely wishes he had ... again - i'm just throwing it out there ...

people get tested all the time and people often fail

Cliffy6745

polaris_x wrote:

wow ... in reading all this stuff ... makes one consider those moments in time ... those moments when your moral fortitude is put to a very real test ... in my opinion ... many people fail these tests ... we like to think we would do the right thing every time ... but you never know until that moment comes ...

i'm not absolving mcquery here ... but we don't really know the culture back then ... people on this board get bent out of shape if you rat a scalper out or someone who's making a profit on PJ merch ... obviously, these guys will say this is completely different, either way - my point is simply that there may have been a culture that made mcquery not act in a way that i am sure he surely wishes he had ... again - i'm just throwing it out there ...

people get tested all the time and people often fail

Pretty much what you said.

http://deadspin.com/5857014/jerry-sandu ... te-scandal

JK_Livin

Good point polaris. It's easy to think we would've done something different until you're actually in a difficult situation.

Go(Joe) Pa press conference for the Nebraska game canceled.

blackredyellow

Holy horrible crisis management Penn State... Apparently Graham Spanier just cancelled Paterno's weekly press conference 40 minutes before it's scheduled start.

I wonder how much of it is that they don't want an 83 year old man out there fielding these questions? Seeing how horrendously they have handled this scandal after the indictments came down, it's no surprised how horribly they "handled" the situation to begin with.

JK_Livin

Earlier PSU put out a statement that they only wanted football related questions. Yeah, that was going to happen.

pjsteelerfan

JK_Livin wrote:

Earlier PSU put out a statement that they only wanted football related questions. Yeah, that was going to happen.

I can't beleive they even considered it.

EdsonNascimento

McQueary and his dad should be held accountable, as well. I don't care. Yes, there are times when our moral character is tested, and we don't know how we would have acted considering the circumstances. But, that's not terribly relevant. We know how he acted and what the result was.

This much is clear:

1) He stayed with the program after an obvious assalut took place.
2) He used his quiet either directly or indirectly to advance (he is now Wide Receivers coach).

So, even in that moment if he did not have the moral fortitude, there was plenty of opportunities after. He and his father made a plan either consciously or unconsciously that financially and professonally going to the authorities is not the right move.

I don't promote suicide, but if it happened in this case I could understand. I live with small regrets all the time that crop up in my brain from time to time (why did I yell at my son?, etc) that eat me up. This would consume me. Of course, I'd like to think at some point in my promotion schedule I would have spoken up. From that point forward, he is as culpable as Sundusky as to what happened to those kids. Yes, the institution failed to follow up. But, he was an eye witness to a rape of a 10 year old boy. And basically, followed some protocol that never considered this type of behavior. You go to the police. There is no grey area here. This is not some child reporting it (which is bad enough) that maybe you give some benefit of the doubt and seek counsel to get help to find out the truth about the accusations. HE SAW THE RAPE!!!!!!!!!

polaris_x

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Pretty much what you said.

http://deadspin.com/5857014/jerry-sandu ... te-scandal

From big-time college football to the Catholic church to Wall Street to government agencies, you'll find that people almost always choose to cover their ass and protect their jobs (and friends) rather than do the right thing.

sad but true ... :(

Wma31394

Hopefully the rescheduling of the conference to is reschedule another and have paterno resign..you peeps can say all you want about "you dont know what you would do until your in those shoes" blah blah blah but the bottom line is that ALL THOSE SICK FUCKERS INCLUDING PATERNO..covered this up to protect the football program and rest of universtity.

g under p

polaris_x wrote:

wow ... in reading all this stuff ... makes one consider those moments in time ... those moments when your moral fortitude is put to a very real test ... in my opinion ... many people fail these tests ... we like to think we would do the right thing every time ... but you never know until that moment comes ...

i'm not absolving mcquery here ... but we don't really know the culture back then ... people on this board get bent out of shape if you rat a scalper out or someone who's making a profit on PJ merch ... obviously, these guys will say this is completely different, either way - my point is simply that there may have been a culture that made mcquery not act in a way that i am sure he surely wishes he had ... again - i'm just throwing it out there ...

people get tested all the time and people often fail

Yes we do get tested ALL the time BUT we must act when the need is apparent. Same school where I was teaching....while taking my children out for some field exercise and fun. All were excited and loud but some how I happened to hear screaming in the background. I told my kids to be quiet so I could listen...the screaming continued I went to investigate through our school front door was our weight room and in there was this teenager turning blue with seemed like a half a ton of weights choking him to death. I mean I couldn't budge the thing in that critical moment so I said loudly you go this way I'll lift this way on 2. We did and he was able to get from under all that bench press weight. The boy recovered but if he was there for another minute he would not have survived.

My point sometimes we must act regardless of distractions, culture or sometimes your own job consequences. I acted and the boy lived he was very thankful I did.

Peace

EdsonNascimento

Wma31394 wrote:

Hopefully the rescheduling of the conference to is reschedule another and have paterno resign..you peeps can say all you want about "you dont know what you would do until your in those shoes" blah blah blah but the bottom line is that ALL THOSE SICK FUCKERS INCLUDING PATERNO..covered this up to protect the football program and rest of universtity.

He should not be given the dignity of a resignation.

And he should not be at Seniors' Day this Saturday.

He is a disgrace. He knew something. Sandusky went from heir apparent to "retired" a year after the incident, and Joe thought that was enough. Shame on him.