Penn State Scandal

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JK_Livin wrote:

I'm not sure where I read it but there is speculation that the original A.G., the guy that dissappeared, delayed the investigation and dismissed it until after Joe Pa passed the all time win record.

this is like a house of cards ... there is no way we are talking about a few people covering this thing up ... there has got to be way more ... i hope everyone goes down ...

Bronx Bombers

The Juggler

ofthegirl99 wrote:

1998 -- Penn State police and the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare investigate an incident in which the mother of an 11-year-old boy reported that Sandusky had showered with her son and may have had inappropriate conduct with him. In a June 1, 1998, interview with investigators from both agencies, Sandusky admits showering naked with the boy, admitting that it was wrong and promising not to do it again, according to the grand jury report. The district attorney advises investigators that no charges will be filed and the university police chief instructs that the case be closed, according to the testimony included in the grand jury report of the police detective who investigated the incident.

Anyone involved after this point should be held accountable........

Admits it was wrong and promises not to do it again?.......are you serious.

this is what bothers me. he then retired the next year. always thought there was something weird about his abrupt retirement. then they gave him an office and shower key a year or two later?

Wma31394

CALL IT A DAY JOE PA..STEP DOWN NOW!! How do you not go to the police? How does the guy who witness it not try and stop it? How do you give the guy benefits after the fact? How does anyone not follow up? Some shady shit was going on and I hold all those sick fuckers responsible.

The Juggler

Jason P wrote:

Bronx Bombers wrote:

http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-San ... 1582613575

Oh, sweet irony!

It's like if Tressel wrote a book about tattoos in the past, only 1000x more evil. Also, if Joe Pa gets a pass, Tressel should be pissed.

this is the absolute definition of irony. my god.

rick1zoo2

I think this editorial does a decent job:

http://news.yahoo.com/column-sadly-time ... 55140.html

Wma31394

From what I hear Jo Pa is like Tony Soprano in that area..I find it very hard to believe he did not know all the facts.

rick1zoo2

The Juggler wrote:

ofthegirl99 wrote:

1998 -- Penn State police and the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare investigate an incident in which the mother of an 11-year-old boy reported that Sandusky had showered with her son and may have had inappropriate conduct with him. In a June 1, 1998, interview with investigators from both agencies, Sandusky admits showering naked with the boy, admitting that it was wrong and promising not to do it again, according to the grand jury report. The district attorney advises investigators that no charges will be filed and the university police chief instructs that the case be closed, according to the testimony included in the grand jury report of the police detective who investigated the incident.

Anyone involved after this point should be held accountable........

Admits it was wrong and promises not to do it again?.......are you serious.

this is what bothers me. he then retired the next year. always thought there was something weird about his abrupt retirement. then they gave him an office and shower key a year or two later?

think I read that Sandusky was the primary candidate to replace Paterno, but Paterno told him it would never happen because he was spending too much time with his foundation, so he retired. I wonder if the real reason was that Paterno knew what was really happpening.

Just seems to me that people knew in 1998 - how can Paterno now say everyone was fooled?

Bronx Bombers

Jerry Sandusky Reportedly Operated Overnight Childrens Camp At Penn State Through 2009

Jerry Sandusky was charged with dozens of counts of child molestation on Friday, following a two-year grand jury investigation. Since the initial report was released, the attention has turned to who knew what, and how these alleged incidents could've been stopped sooner. According to the grand jury report, head coach Joe Paterno was told of an incident in a Penn State locker room shower involving Sandusky and a juvenile in 2002, but the allegations were cast aside when passed up the line to administrators at the school.

Despite concerns being raised in 2002, it appears Sandusky continued to operate an overnight camp for children at Penn State through 2009.
 
It's unclear if Sandusky was being paid by Penn State for overseeing the camp, which he operated via his Sandusky Associates company located in State College. But multiple schools in the Penn State system hosted and provided facilities for the program, touted Sandusky's Penn State affiliation, and featured other instructors from the Penn State family in an implicit endorsement of the camp.

A copy of a pamphlet advertising from the camp in 2009 can be found over at Deadspin.

For more on the Nittany Lions, visit Penn St. blog Black Shoe Diaries.

blackredyellow

Bronx Bombers wrote:

Centre County prosecutor Ray Gricar decided not to prosecute then-Penn St. Nittany Lions DC Jerry Sandusky in 1998 after charges of child molestation were made. He never fully explained his decision.

Seven years later, then-district attorney Gricar went missing. His car was found abandoned in a parking lot and his laptop was found in the Susquehanna River, damaged beyond repair. He was declared dead this past July after a fruitless search never turned up his body.

Now, it is very early in the prosecution of Sandusky and it might be a bit of a leap to assume all of this is connected. The one thing that is true, however, is that Gricar's reasons for choosing not to prosecute will almost never be known.

That's not to say Gricer didn't try to find out everything he could about Sandusky. Gricer was said to have led the investigation into the coach himself and even had a police officer hide in the house of an alleged victim while the mother confronted Sandusky. That confrontation allegedly led to Sandusky's admission that he showered with a child.

There is no proof as to whether or not Gricer ever heard about the 2002 shower incident years later.

Whether Gricer decided to disappear and likely kill himself over the Sandusky allegations or something completely unrelated, we'll probably know. That said, police revealed that Gricar's home computer had saved searches for "how to wreck a hard drive" and "water damage to a notebook computer," meaning that he clearly wanted to make sure something never saw the light of day.

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2 ... te-missing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Gricar

According to the grand jury report there were 2 officers in the house on both occasions when the mother confronted Sandusky who at the end of the conversation stated "I wish I was dead". You can read about the details in the grand jury report pages 18/19.

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploaded ... ntment.pdf

Holy crap, Gricar was the DA on the original case? I remember reading all about him disappearing and stuff.

Either his disappearance was related to this case, or probably something else shady that he was involved in.

Get_Right

this is one of the few times I support the use of extreme torture as punishment

Green Circle

I read the 23 page Grand Jury Report last night.

this guy is a pretty sick individual. There is no treatment for his kind. He will continue to prey on children if let go.

The other two are guilty for perjury and not reporting and should suffer the same fate as Sandusky.

Wma31394

Green Circle wrote:

I read the 23 page Grand Jury Report last night.

this guy is a pretty sick individual. There is no treatment for his kind. He will continue to prey on children if let go.

The other two are guilty for perjury and not reporting and should suffer the same fate as Sandusky.

Jo Pa as well.

g under p

Wma31394 wrote:

CALL IT A DAY JOE PA..STEP DOWN NOW!! How do you not go to the police? How does the guy who witness it not try and stop it? How do you give the guy benefits after the fact? How does anyone not follow up? Some shady shit was going on and I hold all those sick fuckers responsible.

Not defending Joe but he didn't witness the scene himself he heard or was told from someone else. At that point you go to your superiors and let them handle it.....in the mean time I would go to Sandusky and find exactly what the hell happened. I mean whomever came to him with what they saw couldve made it up and by going to the police with a let's say false accusations Joe could have been in some trouble if that was the case.

Peace

Green Circle

g under p wrote:

Wma31394 wrote:

CALL IT A DAY JOE PA..STEP DOWN NOW!! How do you not go to the police? How does the guy who witness it not try and stop it? How do you give the guy benefits after the fact? How does anyone not follow up? Some shady shit was going on and I hold all those sick fuckers responsible.

Not defending Joe but he didn't witness the scene himself he heard or was told from someone else. At that point you go to your superiors and let them handle it.....in the mean time I would go to Sandusky and find exactly what the hell happened. I mean whomever came to him with what they saw couldve made it up and by going to the police with a let's say false accusations Joe could have been in some trouble if that was the case.

Peace

Agreed the one guy who witnessed and got freaked and then left, yeah he should have said uhh...sandusky what the hell!! Instead of leaving, running home to tell his dad and then.. told Paterno, Curley and Schultz about what he had seen...he and the father should have gone directly to the police...not sure why that didn't happen.

The whole thing stinks to high heavem

Green Circle

Green Circle wrote:

g under p wrote:

Wma31394 wrote:

CALL IT A DAY JOE PA..STEP DOWN NOW!! How do you not go to the police? How does the guy who witness it not try and stop it? How do you give the guy benefits after the fact? How does anyone not follow up? Some shady shit was going on and I hold all those sick fuckers responsible.

Not defending Joe but he didn't witness the scene himself he heard or was told from someone else. At that point you go to your superiors and let them handle it.....in the mean time I would go to Sandusky and find exactly what the hell happened. I mean whomever came to him with what they saw couldve made it up and by going to the police with a let's say false accusations Joe could have been in some trouble if that was the case.

Peace

Agreed the "graduate assistant" who witnessed and got freaked and then left, yeah he should have said uhh...sandusky what the hell!! Instead of leaving, running home to tell his dad and then.. told Paterno, Curley and Schultz about what he had seen...he and the father should have gone directly to the police...not sure why that didn't happen.

The whole thing stinks to high heavem

Bronx Bombers

The same mother also unloaded on McQueary, who testified that as a 28-year-old graduate assistant in 2002 he witnessed Sandusky sexually abusing a young boy but did not make an effort to stop him, instead calling his father for advice before reporting the incident to Joe Paterno: 

"I don't even have words to talk about the betrayal that I feel," said the mom of Victim Six. "[McQueary] was a grown man, and he saw a boy being sodomized ... He ran and called his daddy?"

Former NFL linebacker LaVarr Arrington, who played with McQueary at Penn State, is equally confused. From his radio show on 106.7 FM in Washington D.C., as transcribed by The Patriot-News:
"I know Mike [McQueary]. Mike was my quarterback,'' Arrington said.

"I know him. So I'm trying to understand, how do you, and again, maybe he felt as though it would be better suited if it came from Coach Paterno. ... I'm going to tell you right now, I gotta stop that [assault].

"Even if it's, 'Coach [Sandusky], I gotta stop you. ... I gotta take this to Coach Paterno right now'. This is not good, oh my gosh, this is not good.'' 

http://mobile.sbnation.com/ncaa-footbal ... e-mcqueary

I don't know how Mike McQueary sleeps at night. 

Wma31394

Green Circle wrote:

g under p wrote:

Wma31394 wrote:

CALL IT A DAY JOE PA..STEP DOWN NOW!! How do you not go to the police? How does the guy who witness it not try and stop it? How do you give the guy benefits after the fact? How does anyone not follow up? Some shady shit was going on and I hold all those sick fuckers responsible.

Not defending Joe but he didn't witness the scene himself he heard or was told from someone else. At that point you go to your superiors and let them handle it.....in the mean time I would go to Sandusky and find exactly what the hell happened. I mean whomever came to him with what they saw couldve made it up and by going to the police with a let's say false accusations Joe could have been in some trouble if that was the case.

Peace

Agreed the one guy who witnessed and got freaked and then left, yeah he should have said uhh...sandusky what the hell!! Instead of leaving, running home to tell his dad and then.. told Paterno, Curley and Schultz about what he had seen...he and the father should have gone directly to the police...not sure why that didn't happen.

The whole thing stinks to high heavem

I think you mean the guy who witnessed it should have grabbed a bat and beat sandusky to a bloody pulp for doing what he did to a 10 yr old..Lets be real folks..paterno runs that town..he built it that town..he knew excactly what sandusky was being accused of. In the case of these accusations..the only thing to do is to go to the police..If he did not know..he chose not to know which is just as bad..Then to still provide this scum access to the facilities after these accusations came about?? Paternos life is that program thats why he kept quiet hopeing it would never get out. he put the reputation of the program ahead of the lives of these boys = sick fucker..You are right it stinks.

blackredyellow

g under p wrote:

Wma31394 wrote:

CALL IT A DAY JOE PA..STEP DOWN NOW!! How do you not go to the police? How does the guy who witness it not try and stop it? How do you give the guy benefits after the fact? How does anyone not follow up? Some shady shit was going on and I hold all those sick fuckers responsible.

Not defending Joe but he didn't witness the scene himself he heard or was told from someone else. At that point you go to your superiors and let them handle it.....in the mean time I would go to Sandusky and find exactly what the hell happened. I mean whomever came to him with what they saw couldve made it up and by going to the police with a let's say false accusations Joe could have been in some trouble if that was the case.

Peace

I don't get that about McQueary either... if you walk in on a grown man assaulting a boy (in any manner), wouldn't you try to stop it?!?! How can a 28 year old former division I athlete, not step into pull a 60 year old man off a child??? And even if you are afraid to do anything, how do you put that aside after reporting it? I get it, before calling police, you go to your supervisor (JoePa) and the school officials, which did happen. But if you see nothing coming out of it, how do you let it go... how do you sleep at night? I'd be telling everyone who would listen to me.

JK_Livin

http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages ... ef_pge=lst

WOW!