Penn State Scandal

rick1zoo2

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I read part of the grand jury report and it's very sick/sad stuff. Of course the victims are just that...victims....and deserve remorse. But I can't help but feel pity for Sandusky (or any pedophile) for be wired like that. Could you imagine your brain being as such that you seek sexual pleasure from children? That's a fate worse than death.

you make a good point. shame that no-one tried to get him help, seems like a friend should have (JOE P.).

Actually, having said that, I wonder if they did try to help him.

Ledbetterman10

ofthegirl99 wrote:

1998 -- Penn State police and the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare investigate an incident in which the mother of an 11-year-old boy reported that Sandusky had showered with her son and may have had inappropriate conduct with him. In a June 1, 1998, interview with investigators from both agencies, Sandusky admits showering naked with the boy, admitting that it was wrong and promising not to do it again, according to the grand jury report. The district attorney advises investigators that no charges will be filed and the university police chief instructs that the case be closed, according to the testimony included in the grand jury report of the police detective who investigated the incident.

Anyone involved after this point should be held accountable........

Admits it was wrong and promises not to do it again?.......are you serious.

Unbelievable

JK_Livin

ofthegirl99 wrote:

1998 -- Penn State police and the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare investigate an incident in which the mother of an 11-year-old boy reported that Sandusky had showered with her son and may have had inappropriate conduct with him. In a June 1, 1998, interview with investigators from both agencies, Sandusky admits showering naked with the boy, admitting that it was wrong and promising not to do it again, according to the grand jury report. The district attorney advises investigators that no charges will be filed and the university police chief instructs that the case be closed, according to the testimony included in the grand jury report of the police detective who investigated the incident.

Anyone involved after this point should be held accountable........

Admits it was wrong and promises not to do it again?.......are you serious.

He had his fingers crossed behind his back.

blackredyellow

ofthegirl99 wrote:

1998 -- Penn State police and the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare investigate an incident in which the mother of an 11-year-old boy reported that Sandusky had showered with her son and may have had inappropriate conduct with him. In a June 1, 1998, interview with investigators from both agencies, Sandusky admits showering naked with the boy, admitting that it was wrong and promising not to do it again, according to the grand jury report. The district attorney advises investigators that no charges will be filed and the university police chief instructs that the case be closed, according to the testimony included in the grand jury report of the police detective who investigated the incident.

Anyone involved after this point should be held accountable........

Admits it was wrong and promises not to do it again?.......are you serious.

Playing devil's advocate, I can see how that 1998 incident (without knowing more detail than what's in that paragraph), could be let go.

Up until that point, Sandusky is viewed as a upstanding guy, who has coached there for 30 years and has ran a charity for 20 years. Granted, no adult should ever be showering with kids, but in a locker room setting, with an open shower room, it's not like there isn't room to talk your way out of that one.

elvistheking44

blackredyellow wrote:

ofthegirl99 wrote:

1998 -- Penn State police and the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare investigate an incident in which the mother of an 11-year-old boy reported that Sandusky had showered with her son and may have had inappropriate conduct with him. In a June 1, 1998, interview with investigators from both agencies, Sandusky admits showering naked with the boy, admitting that it was wrong and promising not to do it again, according to the grand jury report. The district attorney advises investigators that no charges will be filed and the university police chief instructs that the case be closed, according to the testimony included in the grand jury report of the police detective who investigated the incident.

Anyone involved after this point should be held accountable........

Admits it was wrong and promises not to do it again?.......are you serious.

Playing devil's advocate, I can see how that 1998 incident (without knowing more detail than what's in that paragraph), could be let go.

Up until that point, Sandusky is viewed as a upstanding guy, who has coached there for 30 years and has ran a charity for 20 years. Granted, no adult should ever be showering with kids, but in a locker room setting, with an open shower room, it's not like there isn't room to talk your way out of that one.

In what locker room setting have you ever heard of a grown man showering with minors? Perhaps college level athletes after a practice or game. But I have NEVER, NEVER heard of a situation where a grown man or coach would shower with a 10 or 11 year old after a practice or game. The DA, who ever was in charge of Penn State police at the time and the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare should all be held accountable for this.....

pandora

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I read part of the grand jury report and it's very sick/sad stuff. Of course the victims are just that...victims....and deserve remorse. But I can't help but feel pity for Sandusky (or any pedophile) for be wired like that. Could you imagine your brain being as such that you seek sexual pleasure from children? That's a fate worse than death.

I feel no pity ... they let evil in

If you stand for a minute in the perps shoes not a minute that's too long you might get sick
just a moment you will know the excitement of a devious plan the awful secrets
the empowerment they felt taking these boys the enjoyment of another quest
a great evil is there hiding in what they call love
In my opinion the worst of evils that destroys innocence and lives of everyone involved

I hope this one rots in prison never forgiven

What's up with 100,000 unsecured bail and he's out... This many accusations requires no bail
no wonder victims feel there is no justice ... there isn't

josevolution

I hope all parties involved get the maximum penalties for their actions or lack of specially that old goat Paterno take a fucking walk you old prick and i mean a walk into a jail cell ......

The Fixer

This story is pretty crazy. I have a bad feeling that what has been leaked is just the tip on the iceberg. Hopefully these kids step forward and speak up so that all parties involved get the punishment that they deserve.

josevolution

Why has Paterno not resigned yet what's he waiting for hi's a disgrace ..

Bronx Bombers

Drop The Leash 10 wrote:

In 2002, a college grad student saw Sandusky sexually assaulting a young boy, that student notified Paterno.

Current Penn State wide receivers coach Mike McQueary is an eye-witness in the grotesque Penn State scandal in which former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky has been accused of sexually assaulting eight boys over 15 years.

According to the police report, a graduate assistant saw Sandusky sexually assault a boy in the locker room shower of a Penn State facility in 2002. PennLive.com reported that the then-28-year-old assistant was McQueary, who played for the Nittany Lions from 1994 to 1997.

McQueary was said to have told head football coach Joe Paterno of the incident the following morning. The head coach then told athletic director Tim Curley and university vice president Gary Schultz. Attorney General Linda Kelly said on Saturday that despite McQueary's account, the shower incident was not reported to police.

McQueary testified that after entering the locker room to put away some recruiting tapes, he went to the shower to investigate a noise and saw Sandusky performing a sex act with a boy about 10 years old.

Curley and Schultz, who stepped down late Sunday night, denied that they heard from McQueary and now face perjury charges from the grand jury investigation.

As the starting quarterback in 1997, McQueary lead Penn State to a 9-3 record and the Florida Citrus Bowl. After spending 2002 as a graduate assistant, McQueary was bumped up to an administrative assistant with the football program. He has since ascended to the role of wide receivers coach and recruiting coordinator.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/0 ... 80260.html


Paterno told the grand jury that the graduate assistant, Mike McQueary, who is now on Paterno's staff, told him that he had seen Sandusky "in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy."

McQueary later told Curley and Schultz in a separate meeting -- Paterno was not present -- that he witnessed what he believed to be Sandusky having anal sex with the boy in the Lasch Building showers.

Following that incident, Sandusky was told by Curley not to bring children onto the campus, yet the coach was seen at a Penn State practice with a 12- or-13-year-old boy as recently as 2007.

When asked if Paterno or McQueary would have violated Pennsylvania's statute requiring anyone who comes in contact with children in the course of their employment to report evidence of abuse to "appropriate authorities," Kelly said: "That's an interesting question. It might have to be addressed down the line."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/colle ... z1d3xpAOmw

Bronx Bombers

Centre County prosecutor Ray Gricar decided not to prosecute then-Penn St. Nittany Lions DC Jerry Sandusky in 1998 after charges of child molestation were made. He never fully explained his decision.

Seven years later, then-district attorney Gricar went missing. His car was found abandoned in a parking lot and his laptop was found in the Susquehanna River, damaged beyond repair. He was declared dead this past July after a fruitless search never turned up his body.

Now, it is very early in the prosecution of Sandusky and it might be a bit of a leap to assume all of this is connected. The one thing that is true, however, is that Gricar's reasons for choosing not to prosecute will almost never be known.

That's not to say Gricer didn't try to find out everything he could about Sandusky. Gricer was said to have led the investigation into the coach himself and even had a police officer hide in the house of an alleged victim while the mother confronted Sandusky. That confrontation allegedly led to Sandusky's admission that he showered with a child.

There is no proof as to whether or not Gricer ever heard about the 2002 shower incident years later.

Whether Gricer decided to disappear and likely kill himself over the Sandusky allegations or something completely unrelated, we'll probably know. That said, police revealed that Gricar's home computer had saved searches for "how to wreck a hard drive" and "water damage to a notebook computer," meaning that he clearly wanted to make sure something never saw the light of day.

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2 ... te-missing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Gricar

According to the grand jury report there were 2 officers in the house on both occasions when the mother confronted Sandusky who at the end of the conversation stated "I wish I was dead". You can read about the details in the grand jury report pages 18/19.

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploaded ... ntment.pdf

g under p

ofthegirl99 wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

ofthegirl99 wrote:

1998 -- Penn State police and the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare investigate an incident in which the mother of an 11-year-old boy reported that Sandusky had showered with her son and may have had inappropriate conduct with him. In a June 1, 1998, interview with investigators from both agencies, Sandusky admits showering naked with the boy, admitting that it was wrong and promising not to do it again, according to the grand jury report. The district attorney advises investigators that no charges will be filed and the university police chief instructs that the case be closed, according to the testimony included in the grand jury report of the police detective who investigated the incident.

Anyone involved after this point should be held accountable........

Admits it was wrong and promises not to do it again?.......are you serious.

Playing devil's advocate, I can see how that 1998 incident (without knowing more detail than what's in that paragraph), could be let go.

Up until that point, Sandusky is viewed as a upstanding guy, who has coached there for 30 years and has ran a charity for 20 years. Granted, no adult should ever be showering with kids, but in a locker room setting, with an open shower room, it's not like there isn't room to talk your way out of that one.

In what locker room setting have you ever heard of a grown man showering with minors? Perhaps college level athletes after a practice or game. But I have NEVER, NEVER heard of a situation where a grown man or coach would shower with a 10 or 11 year old after a practice or game. The DA, who ever was in charge of Penn State police at the time and the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare should all be held accountable for this.....

I gaurantee you no one else was in that shower with Sandusky and in such a scenerio and even if other boys were there it was TOTALLY inappropriate. TOTALLY!

Peace

g under p

Bronx Bombers wrote:

Drop The Leash 10 wrote:

In 2002, a college grad student saw Sandusky sexually assaulting a young boy, that student notified Paterno.

Current Penn State wide receivers coach Mike McQueary is an eye-witness in the grotesque Penn State scandal in which former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky has been accused of sexually assaulting eight boys over 15 years.

According to the police report, a graduate assistant saw Sandusky sexually assault a boy in the locker room shower of a Penn State facility in 2002. PennLive.com reported that the then-28-year-old assistant was McQueary, who played for the Nittany Lions from 1994 to 1997.

McQueary was said to have told head football coach Joe Paterno of the incident the following morning. The head coach then told athletic director Tim Curley and university vice president Gary Schultz. Attorney General Linda Kelly said on Saturday that despite McQueary's account, the shower incident was not reported to police.

McQueary testified that after entering the locker room to put away some recruiting tapes, he went to the shower to investigate a noise and saw Sandusky performing a sex act with a boy about 10 years old.

Curley and Schultz, who stepped down late Sunday night, denied that they heard from McQueary and now face perjury charges from the grand jury investigation.

As the starting quarterback in 1997, McQueary lead Penn State to a 9-3 record and the Florida Citrus Bowl. After spending 2002 as a graduate assistant, McQueary was bumped up to an administrative assistant with the football program. He has since ascended to the role of wide receivers coach and recruiting coordinator.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/0 ... 80260.html


Paterno told the grand jury that the graduate assistant, Mike McQueary, who is now on Paterno's staff, told him that he had seen Sandusky "in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy."

McQueary later told Curley and Schultz in a separate meeting -- Paterno was not present -- that he witnessed what he believed to be Sandusky having anal sex with the boy in the Lasch Building showers.

Following that incident, Sandusky was told by Curley not to bring children onto the campus, yet the coach was seen at a Penn State practice with a 12- or-13-year-old boy as recently as 2007.

When asked if Paterno or McQueary would have violated Pennsylvania's statute requiring anyone who comes in contact with children in the course of their employment to report evidence of abuse to "appropriate authorities," Kelly said: "That's an interesting question. It might have to be addressed down the line."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/colle ... z1d3xpAOmw

So let me get this straight....the alledged incident happened on PSU campus is that right? Why was this man alone with a boy in a shower on campus....he should have been no where near that place with a boy or anyone else for that matter. This is getting worse by the minute...too creepy. :shock:

Peace

Bronx Bombers

http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-San ... 1582613575

tybird

DeLukin wrote:

As a Penn State grad and current employee I think I speak for all true Penn Staters when I say that ANYONE who knowingly withheld information about what Sandusky was doing should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. And if they were too slick to do anything illegal by withholding information, they should at the very least be excommunicated from the University and disgraced. There is no justification for knowingly allowing a predator like that to continue to mar children's lives - Penn State is bigger than one man or his legacy.

Very bold....I applaud you ...I would shake your hand or hug for standing up to such injustice...living in a state with two major college programs in smaller towns, I know the influence that a successful head coach has over the entire town and state...I lived through and was witness to the "Bear" Bryant era here in Alabama....people like him and JoePa pull more strings in the university system and town than many of us could imagine....Bryant's son still has major pull as a trustee of the U of A system.

JoePa was always very protective of his players when the big bad NCAA would pick on them....but he can only do the minimum to protect innocent young boys from a sexual predator? Was it because the predator was so closely tied to him? Or was it because the young men being attacked weren't football players for him?

marcos

Will we ever be at the point where sports need separate individual showers for the players, especially with children. Predators now come in all shapes and sizes and from money & influential backgrounds. Really sad to see it at the college level.

polaris_x

Bronx Bombers wrote:

Centre County prosecutor Ray Gricar decided not to prosecute then-Penn St. Nittany Lions DC Jerry Sandusky in 1998 after charges of child molestation were made. He never fully explained his decision.

Seven years later, then-district attorney Gricar went missing. His car was found abandoned in a parking lot and his laptop was found in the Susquehanna River, damaged beyond repair. He was declared dead this past July after a fruitless search never turned up his body.

Now, it is very early in the prosecution of Sandusky and it might be a bit of a leap to assume all of this is connected. The one thing that is true, however, is that Gricar's reasons for choosing not to prosecute will almost never be known.

That's not to say Gricer didn't try to find out everything he could about Sandusky. Gricer was said to have led the investigation into the coach himself and even had a police officer hide in the house of an alleged victim while the mother confronted Sandusky. That confrontation allegedly led to Sandusky's admission that he showered with a child.

There is no proof as to whether or not Gricer ever heard about the 2002 shower incident years later.

Whether Gricer decided to disappear and likely kill himself over the Sandusky allegations or something completely unrelated, we'll probably know. That said, police revealed that Gricar's home computer had saved searches for "how to wreck a hard drive" and "water damage to a notebook computer," meaning that he clearly wanted to make sure something never saw the light of day.

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2 ... te-missing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Gricar

According to the grand jury report there were 2 officers in the house on both occasions when the mother confronted Sandusky who at the end of the conversation stated "I wish I was dead". You can read about the details in the grand jury report pages 18/19.

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploaded ... ntment.pdf

:shock: :shock:

Bronx Bombers

Jerry Sandusky, who's been hit with dozens of charges of child sex abuse, many of them for acts committed while on Penn State's campus and some for acts committed while on the clock, maintained a presence at Penn State up until his arrest, Yahoo! Sports' Dan Wetzel reports.

Wetzel cites multiple sources as saying Sandusky was "working out multiple times" in the Nittany Lions' Lasch Football Building in the days leading up to his arrest.

Penn State banned Sandusky from bringing children on campus after the second allegation was raised against him in 2002. But within five years, he was apparently no longer banned.
Sandusky maintaining such a presence in Happy Valley means he had to have come in rather frequent contact with both coach Joe Paterno and assistant coach Mike McQueary -- the former graduate assistant who reported Sandusky's alleged assault to Paterno in 2002.

This story started out as revolting and has gotten worse by the hour. And it's nowhere near done.

http://mobile.sbnation.com/ncaa-footbal ... ate-campus

Joes press conference should be pretty interesting today, hopefully he does the right thing for once in his miserable life and resigns. 

I hope Mike McQueary is there as well, i would love to know how a 28 year old 6'4 former penn st QB walks in on a 58 year old man raping a 10 year old boy and doesn't even attempt to stop it but instead runs out like a coward. 

JK_Livin

I'm not sure where I read it but there is speculation that the original A.G., the guy that dissappeared, delayed the investigation and dismissed it until after Joe Pa passed the all time win record.

Jason P

Bronx Bombers wrote:

http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-San ... 1582613575

Oh, sweet irony!

It's like if Tressel wrote a book about tattoos in the past, only 1000x more evil. Also, if Joe Pa gets a pass, Tressel should be pissed.