Penn State Scandal

The Fixer

81 wrote:

i would still like to know why we are piling on Joe Pa, when McQueary was the guy that saw the event?????

why does he still have a job?


anybody? anybody?

seriously man. mind boggling.

not saying paterno was right, but the media is acting like he was the mastermind of a child porn ring. espn is the worst. while watching it last night the two most common words were 'paterno' and 'alleged'. it took over an hour for rece davis to phone in and put things in perspective by mentioning mcquery and sandusky.

I tried finding coverage on another channel, but didn't see any. Disgusting

the entire story is a shame. terribly sad for all involved (other than sandusky)

norm

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I'm more on the "pile on Joe" side of the argument

http://espn.go.com/new-york/ncf/story/_ ... losing-job

just to point out, i'm posting most of this stuff for the discussion not necessarily my opinion



honestly, i can't wrap my head around what has happened...the same thing keeps coming up in my mind...why? why didn't mcqueary beat the shit out of sandusky? why didn't joepa confront sandusky? why didn't psu officials call the cops? why?

The Fixer

norm wrote:

honestly, i can't wrap my head around what has happened...the same thing keeps coming up in my mind...why? why didn't mcqueary beat the shit out of sandusky? why didn't joepa confront sandusky? why didn't psu officials call the cops? why?

Unfortunately there are more questions than answers at this point. To piggyback off of your questions...what happened to the DA that disappeared (that's the strangest wrinkle IMO)?? Why did Sandusky 'retire' at the age of 55?? Etc, etc, etc

I'm officially obsessed with this. I will be following it closely going forward, even though the details won't be pretty

mfc2006

Cliffy6745 wrote:

81 wrote:

i would still like to know why we are piling on Joe Pa, when McQueary was the guy that saw the event?????

why does he still have a job?


anybody? anybody?

And Tim Curley, the guy who lied & covered it up. I'd like to know this too.

yup. from where i'm sitting, firing the 2 of them is a no-brainer. not sure why they didn't announce this yesterday. their deliberations in firing Joe may have taken longer than they thought they would. they're supposed to be meeting tomorrow....hope they completely clean house & fire everyone that was involved.

g under p

The Fixer wrote:

norm wrote:

honestly, i can't wrap my head around what has happened...the same thing keeps coming up in my mind...why? why didn't mcqueary beat the shit out of sandusky? why didn't joepa confront sandusky? why didn't psu officials call the cops? why?

Unfortunately there are more questions than answers at this point. To piggyback off of your questions...what happened to the DA that disappeared (that's the strangest wrinkle IMO)?? Why did Sandusky 'retire' at the age of 55?? Etc, etc, etc

I'm officially obsessed with this. I will be following it closely going forward, even though the details won't be pretty

WHY...because PSU had to continue the now apparent myth that this school was above such hideous scandelous crimes and behavior. The school became more important than the unknown victim in that shower the school's reputation was MORE important than whatever could possibly have happened to that 10 year old child. That's why.

Peace

norm

g under p wrote:

WHY...because PSU had to continue the now apparent myth that this school was above such hideous scandelous crimes and behavior. The school became more important than the unknown victim in that shower the school's reputation was MORE important than whatever could possibly have happened to that 10 year old child. That's why.

Peace

my questions are more rhetorical than anything else...i know why nothing was done but as a human being how can one stay quiet...no job, no legacy, nothing is worth more than stopping a predator...i understand completely what went on at psu...i just don't understand why it did...if that makes any sense

Ledbetterman10

norm wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I'm more on the "pile on Joe" side of the argument

http://espn.go.com/new-york/ncf/story/_ ... losing-job

just to point out, i'm posting most of this stuff for the discussion not necessarily my opinion


honestly, i can't wrap my head around what has happened...the same thing keeps coming up in my mind...why? why didn't mcqueary beat the shit out of sandusky? why didn't joepa confront sandusky? why didn't psu officials call the cops? why?

Deep down, I think we all know the answer to the "whys?" To cover their own asses and the reputation of the school. Joe probably didn't want to learn anymore from Sandusky than he already knew. Dude hid his head in the sand, it's as simple as that. And I bet dozens of people outside of Paterno and McQueary knew about this.

The Fixer

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

norm wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I'm more on the "pile on Joe" side of the argument

http://espn.go.com/new-york/ncf/story/_ ... losing-job

just to point out, i'm posting most of this stuff for the discussion not necessarily my opinion


honestly, i can't wrap my head around what has happened...the same thing keeps coming up in my mind...why? why didn't mcqueary beat the shit out of sandusky? why didn't joepa confront sandusky? why didn't psu officials call the cops? why?

Deep down, I think we all know the answer to the "whys?" To cover their own asses and the reputation of the school. Joe probably didn't want to learn anymore from Sandusky than he already knew. Dude hid his head in the sand, it's as simple as that. And I bet dozens of people outside of Paterno and McQueary knew about this.

yeah, I agree. I bet even some of the trustees knew about it. Paterno is the scapegoat in this mess, but he's far from the only one to blame.

Indifference71

The Fixer wrote:

norm wrote:

honestly, i can't wrap my head around what has happened...the same thing keeps coming up in my mind...why? why didn't mcqueary beat the shit out of sandusky? why didn't joepa confront sandusky? why didn't psu officials call the cops? why?

Unfortunately there are more questions than answers at this point. To piggyback off of your questions...what happened to the DA that disappeared (that's the strangest wrinkle IMO)?? Why did Sandusky 'retire' at the age of 55?? Etc, etc, etc

I'm officially obsessed with this. I will be following it closely going forward, even though the details won't be pretty

The DA that disappeared isn't getting enough attention...that is completely fucked. Interesting timing w/ Sandusky "retiring" at the age of 55. Wasn't he supposedly the head coach in waiting back then? This whole thing makes me sick.

g under p

norm wrote:

g under p wrote:

WHY...because PSU had to continue the now apparent myth that this school was above such hideous scandelous crimes and behavior. The school became more important than the unknown victim in that shower the school's reputation was MORE important than whatever could possibly have happened to that 10 year old child. That's why.

Peace

my questions are more rhetorical than anything else...i know why nothing was done but as a human being how can one stay quiet...no job, no legacy, nothing is worth more than stopping a predator...i understand completely what went on at psu...i just don't understand why it did...if that makes any sense

I know man I'm just sickened by the whole thing....I've 3 teens two boys who play football and 1 girl who swims and I make sure to talk to them to make them aware of predators and what they can do. i even have an app that can tell me where registered sex offenders are in my area and there's 3 just outside of our gated community and I let them know exactly where they are especially when they go out on the atv's.

Peace

Ledbetterman10

The Fixer wrote:

norm wrote:

honestly, i can't wrap my head around what has happened...the same thing keeps coming up in my mind...why? why didn't mcqueary beat the shit out of sandusky? why didn't joepa confront sandusky? why didn't psu officials call the cops? why?

Unfortunately there are more questions than answers at this point. To piggyback off of your questions...what happened to the DA that disappeared (that's the strangest wrinkle IMO)?? Why did Sandusky 'retire' at the age of 55?? Etc, etc, etc

I'm officially obsessed with this. I will be following it closely going forward, even though the details won't be pretty

Well you know why Sandusky retired at age 55. Because just a year earlier, he got caught in the 1998 incident. "Okay so I'll keep molesting children, but I gotta be less visible to the public." I mean, he was a sought-after head-coaching candidate at that time. He was NCAA assistant of the year during his last season.

The missing DA is very interesting. To not prosecute a case where a man ADMITS TO POLICE that he showered with and fondled a young boy is probably the deplorable sin a district attorney can make. Talk about "enabling." And so why didn't he prosecute? Pressure over going after such a local legend? And he didn't go missing till 2005. Did he somehow become aware of the 2002 incident and think to himself "Oh shit, I didn't prosecute this guy, and now he's at it again and I'm fucked." Who knows?

LOTS of stuff is gonna come out about this over the next few weeks so if you're officially obsessed with it (as I have been over the past two days), you'll have a lot to keep you occupied. Even though I know inevitably you're just gonna pin this this whole Sandusky scandal on Howard's contract and it's poor parameters.

norm

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Even though I know inevitably you're just gonna pin this this whole Sandusky scandal on Howard's contract and it's poor parameters.

norm

g under p wrote:

I know man I'm just sickened by the whole thing....I've 3 teens two boys who play football and 1 girl who swims and I make sure to talk to them to make them aware of predetors and what they can do. i even have an app that can tell me where predetors are in my area and there's 3 just outside of our gated community and I let them know exactly where they are especially when they go out on the atv's.

Peace

it's a seriously fucked up world that we need apps/websites etc for this

Ledbetterman10

The Fixer wrote:

yeah, I agree. I bet even some of the trustees knew about it. Paterno is the scapegoat in this mess, but he's far from the only one to blame.

Oh totally. There are not only PSU people to blame, but inept police and that missing DA among possibly several others.

The Fixer

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I know inevitably you're just gonna pin this this whole Sandusky scandal on Howard's contract and it's poor parameters.

based on the recent phils contract rumors I may end up blaming amaro for all that's wrong in the world

My wife and her friends plan a PSU football trip every year. We were supposed to hit the nebraska game this weekend. We bailed because she's pregnant, but her friends are all heading out there tomorrow. Gonna be such a weird scene this weekend...kinda wish I was going for the experience

The Fixer

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

yeah, I agree. I bet even some of the trustees knew about it. Paterno is the scapegoat in this mess, but he's far from the only one to blame.

Oh totally. There are not only PSU people to blame, but inept police and that missing DA among possibly several others.

Purely speculation (as most details of this case are at this point), but I wonder if the DA was one of sandusky's high level clients...assuming that creep was pimping kids out.

Ledbetterman10

The Fixer wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I know inevitably you're just gonna pin this this whole Sandusky scandal on Howard's contract and it's poor parameters.

based on the recent phils contract rumors I may end up blaming amaro for all that's wrong in the world

My wife and her friends plan a PSU football trip every year. We were supposed to hit the nebraska game this weekend. We bailed because she's pregnant, but her friends are all heading out there tomorrow. Gonna be such a weird scene this weekend...kinda wish I was going for the experience

Yeah I'm not to into the notion of Papelbon but I guess that's something for the other thread. As for Saturday's Nebraska game, I rarely ever watch college football. But having been to about 4 or 5 PSU games over the years, I'll surly be tuning into this just to see the scene.

norm

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Thorns2010

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/ ... s-nbc-news


Not a shock that Paterno is lawyering up, but a criminal defense lawyer??

Ledbetterman10

Thorns2010 wrote:

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/10/8742718-paterno-contacts-criminal-defense-lawyer-source-tells-nbc-news


Not a shock that Paterno is lawyering up, but a criminal defense lawyer??

He's gonna face civil lawsuits:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/colle ... e-1.975457