I don't think you should pick words apart so much.
But that's the problem. The word 'God', as you've so far explained it, is just that; a word.
No Bynzie its not just a word... I think it is to you, though.
I have posted what God is to me but you have chosen not to try and understand what He is to me and how He makes me feel or how He came to be in my life.
We all have choices.
Could it perhaps be that you're confusing compassion, or empathy with others, for something you've imagined as being external that you've decided to call 'God'?
Could it maybe be that you're confusing compassion, or empathy with others, for something you've imagined as being external that you've decided to call 'God'?
Confusing emotions with knowledge, no Byrnzie that I am not.
Could it maybe be that you're confusing compassion, or empathy with others, for something you've imagined as being external that you've decided to call 'God'?
Confusing emotions with knowledge, no Byrnzie that I am not.
Could it maybe be that you're confusing compassion, or empathy with others, for something you've imagined as being external that you've decided to call 'God'?
Confusing emotions with knowledge, no Byrnzie that I am not.
Compassion and empathy aren't emotions.
I can't speak for Pandora, but some people consider God to be love, compassion and empathy.
Could it maybe be that you're confusing compassion, or empathy with others, for something you've imagined as being external that you've decided to call 'God'?
Confusing emotions with knowledge, no Byrnzie that I am not.
Compassion and empathy aren't emotions.
stuck on the words again perhaps
"To show empathy is to identify with another's feelings. It is to emotionally put yourself in the place of another. The ability to empathize is directly dependent on your ability to feel your own feelings and identify them.
If you have never felt a certain feeling, it will be hard for you to understand how another person is feeling. This holds equally true for pleasure and pain. If, for example, you have never put your hand in a flame, you will not know the pain of fire. If you have not experienced sexual passion, you will not understand its power. Similarly, if you have never felt rebellious or defiant, you will not understand those feelings. Reading about a feeling and intellectually knowing about it is very different than actually experiencing it for yourself.
Among those with an equal level of innate emotional intelligence, the person who has actually experienced the widest range and variety of feelings -- the great depths of depression and the heights of fulfillment, for example, -- is the one who is most able to empathize with the greatest number of people from all walks of life. On the other hand, when we say that someone "can't relate" to other people, it is likely because they haven't experienced, acknowledged or accepted many feelings of their own.
This video refutes the claim that some people make that atheists cannot possibly be moral since god and morality are intertwined in their minds
Some people claim that morality is dependent upon religion, that atheists cannot possibly be moral since god and morality are intertwined (well, in their minds). Unfortunately, this is one way that religious people dehumanise atheists who have a logical way of thinking about what constitutes moral social behaviour. More than simply being a (incorrect) definition in the Oxford dictionary, morality is actually the main subject of many philosophers' intellectual lives. This video, the first of a multi-part series, begins this discussion by defining morality and then moving on to look at six hypothetical cultures and their beliefs.
Very interesting. I've had this discussion with my wife on several occasions as we are raising a little girl. We (wife and I) were both raised going to church. I stopped sometime around 12 years old, my wife continued through high school. We've since attended church only a handful of times together. I'm not a big fan, she thinks it's something we should do but doesn't push it.
To this point we have not taken our daughter to any church other than for weddings. I do believe that religion practiced the way I feel it was meant does provide a very easy method for instilling values and morals. However, this can be done through the very simple, "how would you like to be treated" method in my opinion as well. There are no stories to help you remember the lesson other than the life stories you experience. So far so good.
"To show empathy is to identify with another's feelings. It is to emotionally put yourself in the place of another. The ability to empathize is directly dependent on your ability to feel your own feelings and identify them.
If you have never felt a certain feeling, it will be hard for you to understand how another person is feeling. This holds equally true for pleasure and pain. If, for example, you have never put your hand in a flame, you will not know the pain of fire. If you have not experienced sexual passion, you will not understand its power. Similarly, if you have never felt rebellious or defiant, you will not understand those feelings. Reading about a feeling and intellectually knowing about it is very different than actually experiencing it for yourself.
Among those with an equal level of innate emotional intelligence, the person who has actually experienced the widest range and variety of feelings -- the great depths of depression and the heights of fulfillment, for example, -- is the one who is most able to empathize with the greatest number of people from all walks of life. On the other hand, when we say that someone "can't relate" to other people, it is likely because they haven't experienced, acknowledged or accepted many feelings of their own.
I have experienced God.
I like to look at it as "You've experienced what you call God". Everyone has their own ideas about theology and no one is wrong. But no one's right either. That's why the argument is endless.
"To show empathy is to identify with another's feelings. It is to emotionally put yourself in the place of another. The ability to empathize is directly dependent on your ability to feel your own feelings and identify them.
If you have never felt a certain feeling, it will be hard for you to understand how another person is feeling. This holds equally true for pleasure and pain. If, for example, you have never put your hand in a flame, you will not know the pain of fire. If you have not experienced sexual passion, you will not understand its power. Similarly, if you have never felt rebellious or defiant, you will not understand those feelings. Reading about a feeling and intellectually knowing about it is very different than actually experiencing it for yourself.
Among those with an equal level of innate emotional intelligence, the person who has actually experienced the widest range and variety of feelings -- the great depths of depression and the heights of fulfillment, for example, -- is the one who is most able to empathize with the greatest number of people from all walks of life. On the other hand, when we say that someone "can't relate" to other people, it is likely because they haven't experienced, acknowledged or accepted many feelings of their own.
I have experienced God.
I like to look at it as "You've experienced what you call God". Everyone has their own ideas about theology and no one is wrong. But no one's right either. That's why the argument is endless.
There should be only understanding and acceptance Jean...
live and let live and love.
One's basic beliefs should not be challenged yet time and again they are.
I do not care if someone believes or not but it seems some people do
and want to challenge and dismiss.
For me God has nothing to do with religion or theology.
If there were no religions God would still be with us.
Because He has not been found does not mean He is not here.
Someone said something about the world being flat ...
God is discovered, experienced one day by everyone
morals are an innate part of the human mind. and since, in my opinion, god didn't make us, at least not on purpose, he has nothing to do with morality.
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Winnipeg 2005
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morals are an innate part of the human mind. and since, in my opinion, god didn't make us, at least not on purpose, he has nothing to do with morality.
God has nothing to do with morality, I totally agree with that.
morals are an innate part of the human mind. and since, in my opinion, god didn't make us, at least not on purpose, he has nothing to do with morality.
God has nothing to do with morality, I totally agree with that.
no kidding. he's one to talk. he admits in the commandments that he's a jealous god, for crying out loud. how moral is that?
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
"There should be only understanding and acceptance Jean... live and let live and love. One's basic beliefs should not be challenged yet time and again they are. I do not care if someone believes or not but it seems some people do and want to challenge and dismiss."
Actually, can I wade in here...
there is nothing wrong with being challenged about what you believe in and the sort of person you are. this can always help to reinforce that you still believe the same and and the same person. what is not right, ever, is to believe that just because someone else believes in something you dont that they are wrong... yes, they may be wrong in your eyes but they are never wrong in theirs. perception is wholly individual.
I dont believe in god, I dont believe in a higher power, I dont believe anything happens when you die apart from "nothing". I would love to be proven wrong but its just how I believe. yet people who go to chruch, believe in god, pray etc. good, go for it. enjoy it. its all about what you need to do to get through the day and be a better person...
"There should be only understanding and acceptance Jean... live and let live and love. One's basic beliefs should not be challenged yet time and again they are. I do not care if someone believes or not but it seems some people do and want to challenge and dismiss."
Actually, can I wade in here...
there is nothing wrong with being challenged about what you believe in and the sort of person you are. this can always help to reinforce that you still believe the same and and the same person. what is not right, ever, is to believe that just because someone else believes in something you dont that they are wrong... yes, they may be wrong in your eyes but they are never wrong in theirs. perception is wholly individual.
I dont believe in god, I dont believe in a higher power, I dont believe anything happens when you die apart from "nothing". I would love to be proven wrong but its just how I believe. yet people who go to chruch, believe in god, pray etc. good, go for it. enjoy it. its all about what you need to do to get through the day and be a better person...
perfect post.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
"There should be only understanding and acceptance Jean... live and let live and love. One's basic beliefs should not be challenged yet time and again they are. I do not care if someone believes or not but it seems some people do and want to challenge and dismiss."
Actually, can I wade in here...
there is nothing wrong with being challenged about what you believe in and the sort of person you are. this can always help to reinforce that you still believe the same and and the same person. what is not right, ever, is to believe that just because someone else believes in something you dont that they are wrong... yes, they may be wrong in your eyes but they are never wrong in theirs. perception is wholly individual.
I dont believe in god, I dont believe in a higher power, I dont believe anything happens when you die apart from "nothing". I would love to be proven wrong but its just how I believe. yet people who go to chruch, believe in god, pray etc. good, go for it. enjoy it. its all about what you need to do to get through the day and be a better person...
Great post. Completely agree. This is what I was trying to get across to you, Pandora.
"There should be only understanding and acceptance Jean... live and let live and love. One's basic beliefs should not be challenged yet time and again they are. I do not care if someone believes or not but it seems some people do and want to challenge and dismiss."
Actually, can I wade in here...
there is nothing wrong with being challenged about what you believe in and the sort of person you are. this can always help to reinforce that you still believe the same and and the same person. what is not right, ever, is to believe that just because someone else believes in something you dont that they are wrong... yes, they may be wrong in your eyes but they are never wrong in theirs. perception is wholly individual.
I dont believe in god, I dont believe in a higher power, I dont believe anything happens when you die apart from "nothing". I would love to be proven wrong but its just how I believe. yet people who go to chruch, believe in god, pray etc. good, go for it. enjoy it. its all about what you need to do to get through the day and be a better person...
Great post. Completely agree. This is what I was trying to get across to you, Pandora.
Yes we should never chastise another for their beliefs. We should be open and loving...
the point I was making to Jean.
We all have our path we must walk, I respect the choices of others
and their beliefs and admire many and hope for the same respect.
Our very basic beliefs for those who are emotionally connected to themselves,
are in our core and do not change though when challenged.
My post about empathy pretty much sums it up... understanding comes from personal experience.
Until you experience something you may not understand
but we can still accept and embrace our differences with love and compassion.
...
If there were no religions there would still be God.
...
so youre saying God has always been with us... that something we came to identify as God has always been with us? and that something is love? when did this emotion called love come to be identified?
please dont think im trying to bait you or belittle what it is you believe, i just have a massive problem with the God concept. i understand its origins and that of religions(which i know you dont equate with God) and i understand its continued allure. but what i dont get is no matter how much i want to believe, belief in God still eludes me, though love does not.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Because 'God' is just a word, and is ultimately meaningless.
Only to you.
To others it means everything and they see God in everything - in the wind, in the trees, in animals, in everything. It's insulting to keep pushing your views to others and denegrating other people's personal views.
You can't seem to accept anyone else's view on here but your own. It's small minded, shallow and I, unfortunately, am starting to feel sorry for you. And not in an empathetic way, but a pitying way.
Richard Dawkins is not necessarily right (The God Delusion).
David Bohm is not necessarily right (Unfolding Meaning).
The Dalai Llama is not necessarily right (The Art of Happiness).
No one is.
I would have thought a fan of a band like PJ would be one of the more accepting, loving, empathetic and compassionate people on the planet. I hope I am not wrong.
Because 'God' is just a word, and is ultimately meaningless.
Only to you.
To others it means everything and they see God in everything - in the wind, in the trees, in animals, in everything. It's insulting to keep pushing your views to others and denegrating other people's personal views.
You can't seem to accept anyone else's view on here but your own. It's small minded, shallow and I, unfortunately, am starting to feel sorry for you. And not in an empathetic way, but a pitying way.
Richard Dawkins is not necessarily right (The God Delusion).
David Bohm is not necessarily right (Unfolding Meaning).
The Dalai Llama is not necessarily right (The Art of Happiness).
No one is.
I would have thought a fan of a band like PJ would be one of the more accepting, loving, empathetic and compassionate people on the planet. I hope I am not wrong.
My attitude in this thread has nothing to do with accepting anyone's views or not. All I've heard is someone saying they 'walk with God' and that they 'know him' and 'love him'. I've asked what this 'God' is but have received no reply other than that I shouldn't pick words apart or question anything.
You mention small mindedness and shallowness? As far as I'm concerned, throwing a word around like 'God' and just expecting people to swallow it is small-minded and shallow. This is the 21st century, not the Middle Ages. The concept of 'God' has been questioned for centuries now, so why pretend to be offended?
I would have thought a fan of a band like PJ would be one of the more accepting, loving, empathetic and compassionate people on the planet. I hope I am not wrong.
Tell that to all the pro-death penalty types, and pro-war people on this board - to cite just two examples.
I see you've only posted 58 posts.
This board, and I imagine the band in general, attracts all sorts. Stick around a while and you'll see.
And by the way, having a critical mind doesn't mean someone lacks empathy or compassion. In fact, it could imply the exact opposite.
So you keep saying. Yet you're incapable of explaining to anyone what this means. You may just as well say 'I have experienced bananas'.
I see Brynzie you have experienced bananas ....
making my point clearer.
My quote which perhaps you need to read again explains
how you may never understand God...
or me.
The next time you ask someone to explain who or what God is remember you will have to experience Him yourself to understand what and who He is.
"To show empathy is to identify with another's feelings. It is to emotionally put yourself in the place of another. The ability to empathize is directly dependent on your ability to feel your own feelings and identify them.
If you have never felt a certain feeling, it will be hard for you to understand how another person is feeling. This holds equally true for pleasure and pain. If, for example, you have never put your hand in a flame, you will not know the pain of fire. If you have not experienced sexual passion, you will not understand its power. Similarly, if you have never felt rebellious or defiant, you will not understand those feelings. Reading about a feeling and intellectually knowing about it is very different than actually experiencing it for yourself.
Among those with an equal level of innate emotional intelligence, the person who has actually experienced the widest range and variety of feelings -- the great depths of depression and the heights of fulfillment, for example, -- is the one who is most able to empathize with the greatest number of people from all walks of life. On the other hand, when we say that someone "can't relate" to other people, it is likely because they haven't experienced, acknowledged or accepted many feelings of their own.
what throws me is the fact you are not even curious about God..
Intelligent people are inquisitive and in search of experience.
Humans are evolving, learning new things everyday,
some growing in their capacity to empathize and show compassion.
There are those who are feeling the universe.
God is not necessarily the way there but trying to understand others is.
Give the new thought a chance.
Religion is on the way out... God is on the way in.
Above all else live and let live and love... we do not have to agree on our beliefs
just respect them, it is a nonissue who believes and who doesn't
unless you are intent on making it so.
or alternatively, stop goading, questioning and cajoling....
Stop questioning? Me? Naah!
Brynzie is just a word too
I believe your motives are not to learn and understand me, others or God ...
your door is closed.
hostis has stated that he or she is a non-believer
but he or she possess the empathy and compassion, the emotional intelligence
to understand believers.
An example of different beliefs coming together in harmony.
This a wonderful example of a PJ fan... and welcome!
hostis has stated that he or she is a non-believer
but he or she possess the empathy and compassion, the emotional intelligence
to understand believers.
An example of different beliefs coming together in harmony.
This a wonderful example of a PJ fan... and welcome!
hostis has stated that he or she is a non-believer
but he or she possess the empathy and compassion, the emotional intelligence
to understand believers.
An example of different beliefs coming together in harmony.
This a wonderful example of a PJ fan... and welcome!
what throws me is the fact you are not even curious about God..
I actually don't think you're curious about 'God'. I think you have no idea what this word means and that you simply use it to label some wishy-washy notion you have about the World.
Intelligent people are inquisitive and in search of experience.
Intelligent people are also capable of explaining their ideas and beliefs and rationalizing them, instead of repetitively throwing out empty mantras such as 'live and let live and love' and hoping they'll stick.
Religion is on the way out... God is on the way in.
it is a nonissue who believes and who doesn't
unless you are intent on making it so.
Believe what? Believe that you are the benefactor of some higher spiritual knowledge that us ignorant minions should aspire to achieve?
Sorry, but I'm not convinced. The day when you can actually explain what you mean without reference to a bunch of silly platitudes is the day I may begin taking your comments seriously.
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Could it perhaps be that you're confusing compassion, or empathy with others, for something you've imagined as being external that you've decided to call 'God'?
Compassion and empathy aren't emotions.
I can't speak for Pandora, but some people consider God to be love, compassion and empathy.
"To show empathy is to identify with another's feelings. It is to emotionally put yourself in the place of another. The ability to empathize is directly dependent on your ability to feel your own feelings and identify them.
If you have never felt a certain feeling, it will be hard for you to understand how another person is feeling. This holds equally true for pleasure and pain. If, for example, you have never put your hand in a flame, you will not know the pain of fire. If you have not experienced sexual passion, you will not understand its power. Similarly, if you have never felt rebellious or defiant, you will not understand those feelings. Reading about a feeling and intellectually knowing about it is very different than actually experiencing it for yourself.
Among those with an equal level of innate emotional intelligence, the person who has actually experienced the widest range and variety of feelings -- the great depths of depression and the heights of fulfillment, for example, -- is the one who is most able to empathize with the greatest number of people from all walks of life. On the other hand, when we say that someone "can't relate" to other people, it is likely because they haven't experienced, acknowledged or accepted many feelings of their own.
I have experienced God.
Very interesting. I've had this discussion with my wife on several occasions as we are raising a little girl. We (wife and I) were both raised going to church. I stopped sometime around 12 years old, my wife continued through high school. We've since attended church only a handful of times together. I'm not a big fan, she thinks it's something we should do but doesn't push it.
To this point we have not taken our daughter to any church other than for weddings. I do believe that religion practiced the way I feel it was meant does provide a very easy method for instilling values and morals. However, this can be done through the very simple, "how would you like to be treated" method in my opinion as well. There are no stories to help you remember the lesson other than the life stories you experience. So far so good.
Thanks for the link.
I like to look at it as "You've experienced what you call God". Everyone has their own ideas about theology and no one is wrong. But no one's right either. That's why the argument is endless.
live and let live and love.
One's basic beliefs should not be challenged yet time and again they are.
I do not care if someone believes or not but it seems some people do
and want to challenge and dismiss.
For me God has nothing to do with religion or theology.
If there were no religions God would still be with us.
Because He has not been found does not mean He is not here.
Someone said something about the world being flat ...
God is discovered, experienced one day by everyone
Those who are inquisitive can ask to be shown.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
no kidding. he's one to talk. he admits in the commandments that he's a jealous god, for crying out loud. how moral is that?
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Actually, can I wade in here...
there is nothing wrong with being challenged about what you believe in and the sort of person you are. this can always help to reinforce that you still believe the same and and the same person. what is not right, ever, is to believe that just because someone else believes in something you dont that they are wrong... yes, they may be wrong in your eyes but they are never wrong in theirs. perception is wholly individual.
I dont believe in god, I dont believe in a higher power, I dont believe anything happens when you die apart from "nothing". I would love to be proven wrong but its just how I believe. yet people who go to chruch, believe in god, pray etc. good, go for it. enjoy it. its all about what you need to do to get through the day and be a better person...
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Great post. Completely agree. This is what I was trying to get across to you, Pandora.
Yes we should never chastise another for their beliefs. We should be open and loving...
the point I was making to Jean.
We all have our path we must walk, I respect the choices of others
and their beliefs and admire many and hope for the same respect.
Our very basic beliefs for those who are emotionally connected to themselves,
are in our core and do not change though when challenged.
My post about empathy pretty much sums it up... understanding comes from personal experience.
Until you experience something you may not understand
but we can still accept and embrace our differences with love and compassion.
so youre saying God has always been with us... that something we came to identify as God has always been with us? and that something is love? when did this emotion called love come to be identified?
please dont think im trying to bait you or belittle what it is you believe, i just have a massive problem with the God concept. i understand its origins and that of religions(which i know you dont equate with God) and i understand its continued allure. but what i dont get is no matter how much i want to believe, belief in God still eludes me, though love does not.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
So you keep saying. Yet you're incapable of explaining to anyone what this means. You may just as well say 'I have experienced bananas'.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Actually, this makes more sense. Because at least bananas aren't just a figment of our imaginations.
I know Bananas and They are great and I am thankful to know them.
Byrnzie. why have you not experienced God. and can you prove it please.
or alternatively, stop goading, questioning and cajoling....
Because 'God' is just a word, and is ultimately meaningless.
Stop questioning? Me? Naah!
Only to you.
To others it means everything and they see God in everything - in the wind, in the trees, in animals, in everything. It's insulting to keep pushing your views to others and denegrating other people's personal views.
You can't seem to accept anyone else's view on here but your own. It's small minded, shallow and I, unfortunately, am starting to feel sorry for you. And not in an empathetic way, but a pitying way.
Richard Dawkins is not necessarily right (The God Delusion).
David Bohm is not necessarily right (Unfolding Meaning).
The Dalai Llama is not necessarily right (The Art of Happiness).
No one is.
I would have thought a fan of a band like PJ would be one of the more accepting, loving, empathetic and compassionate people on the planet. I hope I am not wrong.
My attitude in this thread has nothing to do with accepting anyone's views or not. All I've heard is someone saying they 'walk with God' and that they 'know him' and 'love him'. I've asked what this 'God' is but have received no reply other than that I shouldn't pick words apart or question anything.
You mention small mindedness and shallowness? As far as I'm concerned, throwing a word around like 'God' and just expecting people to swallow it is small-minded and shallow. This is the 21st century, not the Middle Ages. The concept of 'God' has been questioned for centuries now, so why pretend to be offended?
Tell that to all the pro-death penalty types, and pro-war people on this board - to cite just two examples.
I see you've only posted 58 posts.
This board, and I imagine the band in general, attracts all sorts. Stick around a while and you'll see.
And by the way, having a critical mind doesn't mean someone lacks empathy or compassion. In fact, it could imply the exact opposite.
making my point clearer.
My quote which perhaps you need to read again explains
how you may never understand God...
or me.
The next time you ask someone to explain who or what God is remember you will have to experience Him yourself to understand what and who He is.
"To show empathy is to identify with another's feelings. It is to emotionally put yourself in the place of another. The ability to empathize is directly dependent on your ability to feel your own feelings and identify them.
If you have never felt a certain feeling, it will be hard for you to understand how another person is feeling. This holds equally true for pleasure and pain. If, for example, you have never put your hand in a flame, you will not know the pain of fire. If you have not experienced sexual passion, you will not understand its power. Similarly, if you have never felt rebellious or defiant, you will not understand those feelings. Reading about a feeling and intellectually knowing about it is very different than actually experiencing it for yourself.
Among those with an equal level of innate emotional intelligence, the person who has actually experienced the widest range and variety of feelings -- the great depths of depression and the heights of fulfillment, for example, -- is the one who is most able to empathize with the greatest number of people from all walks of life. On the other hand, when we say that someone "can't relate" to other people, it is likely because they haven't experienced, acknowledged or accepted many feelings of their own.
what throws me is the fact you are not even curious about God..
Intelligent people are inquisitive and in search of experience.
Humans are evolving, learning new things everyday,
some growing in their capacity to empathize and show compassion.
There are those who are feeling the universe.
God is not necessarily the way there but trying to understand others is.
Give the new thought a chance.
Religion is on the way out... God is on the way in.
Above all else live and let live and love... we do not have to agree on our beliefs
just respect them, it is a nonissue who believes and who doesn't
unless you are intent on making it so.
I believe your motives are not to learn and understand me, others or God ...
your door is closed.
hostis has stated that he or she is a non-believer
but he or she possess the empathy and compassion, the emotional intelligence
to understand believers.
An example of different beliefs coming together in harmony.
This a wonderful example of a PJ fan... and welcome!
*takes a bow*
Thank you. And I'm a he.
and thank you for your generosity
I actually don't think you're curious about 'God'. I think you have no idea what this word means and that you simply use it to label some wishy-washy notion you have about the World.
Intelligent people are also capable of explaining their ideas and beliefs and rationalizing them, instead of repetitively throwing out empty mantras such as 'live and let live and love' and hoping they'll stick.
The new thought? What new thought? Are you a female version of David Koresh?
Believe what? Believe that you are the benefactor of some higher spiritual knowledge that us ignorant minions should aspire to achieve?
Sorry, but I'm not convinced. The day when you can actually explain what you mean without reference to a bunch of silly platitudes is the day I may begin taking your comments seriously.