"My basic belief...One must experience God for themselves... Go ask him who He is and what He is."
Pandora, I'm not sure I understand the concept of God as having a gender. Please see my post above re, J.B. Phillips' Your God is too Small.
I will ... thank you you for sharing
This is comfortable for me... when I hear His words, I have always imagined a
generous and loving spirit and yes like my father ... a Him but of course there is no gender.
This is comfortable for me... when I hear His words, I have always imagined a
generous and loving spirit and yes like my father ... a Him but of course there is no gender.
So there's no contradiction there then. :?
By the way, why do you need things to be comfortable for you?
Have you not ever considered challenging your 'beliefs', or letting others challenge them?
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Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,435
This is comfortable for me... when I hear His words, I have always imagined a
generous and loving spirit and yes like my father ... a Him but of course there is no gender.
So there's no contradiction there then. :?
By the way, why do you need things to be comfortable for you?
Have you not ever considered challenging your 'beliefs', or letting others challenge them?
Your idea here, Byrnzie, is very close to something I just read in Sara Maitland's book, A Book of Silence. On page 143 she quotes a Quaker (aka the Religious Society of Friends) friend of hers. The friend is talking here about some of the characterisctics of Quaker meetings:
"A lot of times people minister in rather obvious preaching-to-the-converted kinds of ways. But is being gathered about sameness of opinion? Isn't true gatheredness about being able to articulate and bridge difference. Perhaps both the gatherdness and fragmentation are true at once and the meeting is an attempt to cultivate the former."
My reason for posting this quote is not to promote Quakerism (but if I had to pick a particular faith, the Quaker involement in social work- the abolition of slavery, women's suffrage, prison reform, pacifism, mental health care- would certainly put this practice toward the top of my list). This quote relates marvelously to a lot of what we say here on PJ forum, particularly on A Moving Train. It seems to me that there is a kind of continual disjointedness in many of our posts... but something must be working right because here we are-- gathered, so-to-speak-- yet again.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
This is comfortable for me... when I hear His words, I have always imagined a
generous and loving spirit and yes like my father ... a Him but of course there is no gender.
So there's no contradiction there then. :?
By the way, why do you need things to be comfortable for you?
Have you not ever considered challenging your 'beliefs', or letting others challenge them?
I do not need to challenge something I know to be fact.
There is no contradiction as this is what I am experiencing.
But you may not understand this belief because you have not experienced what I have.
Your beliefs come from what you have experienced.
I will relay this one more time, not so you may understand
but perhaps to close this discussion for me.
15 years ago I experienced what I know to be a miracle.
This remains unexplained by anyone in my life
including people here,
somewhat like God... unexplained phenomenon.
Perhaps something that will be discovered and understood someday.
I continue to experience this phenomenon regular.
I asked for proof of God, "please show me you are there, I want to know."
this I asked some months after I decided not to leave this world by my own hand.
I decided to live for my children then 9 and 7.
This sounds like an easy decision for some who have never experienced
the depths of that kind of despair. It is not easy to choose life.
It is much easier to say no than yes .... this also true with faith,
it is much easier to say there is no God then yes, there is.
This life was never meant to be easy, though,
we are on a path of spiritual growth.
I was shown God... and since then I know God is there for me.
He always will be. I know there is an afterlife... I would now bet my life on it,
and for the right reasons... I understand, I get it.
I have experienced many events since, that prove this to me,
including the saving of my son's life through prayer.
A most needed and loved human, we are very much alike.
Living without each other will be very hard.
If I had not decided to live back in '93 he would most certainly have joined me.
If I had not been there for him and supported him through prayer,
during those times that his life was in turmoil, he would have passed.
This is my life, not only a belief... it is what I live daily.
No need for anyone to dissect, no need to dismiss, no need to challenge, no need to call it bullshit.
No need for anyone to even understand, I am not asking them to nor wanting them to.
They have their beliefs.
And so I will depart from this discussion saying
of course there is morality without believing in God.
God is a friend that can guide and love through one's destiny.
He bring souls together and we learn from this interaction.
We are all connected and moving towards unconditional love....
if God has anything to say about it and hopefully He does
15 years ago I experienced what I know to be a miracle.
This remains unexplained by anyone in my life
including people here,
somewhat like God... unexplained phenomenon.
Perhaps something that will be discovered and understood someday.
I continue to experience this phenomenon regular...
I was shown God... and since then I know God is there for me.
He always will be. I know there is an afterlife... I would now bet my life on it,
and for the right reasons... I understand, I get it.
I have experienced many events since, that prove this to me,
including the saving of my son's life through prayer.
A most needed and loved human, we are very much alike.
Living without each other will be very hard...
This is my life, not only a belief... it is what I live daily.
O.k, now we're getting somewhere. This post actually makes some sense, finally.
Not that I believe the 'God' part. But the 'unexplained phenomenon' bit makes sense - something like a positive force or energy, though nothing to do with any 'he' or 'him'. But I suppose you have your own interpretation of that.
No need for anyone to dissect, no need to dismiss, no need to challenge, no need to call it bullshit.
No need for anyone to even understand, I am not asking them to nor wanting them to.
They have their beliefs.
You shouldn't be so quick to state what other people's needs are. Nobody asked you to post in this thread and mention these things. And If you really have no interest in what anyone else thinks about it - unless they automatically agree with you - then why bring the subject up in the first place?
I think the reason some people have taken issue with some of your comments in this thread is that you talk about these things with an air of superiority, bordering on arrogance. You say that the experience you had is 'perhaps something that will be discovered and understood someday'. I hope it will too. Such experiences aren't wholly uncommon. Mystical experiences, out-of-body experiences e.t.c, have been happening for millenia.
Just don't be so immediately dismissive of people who question and dissect. If you'd explained this experience better in the first place instead of dressing it with blanket, all-encompassing statements of 'fact', then this thread wouldn't now be eleven pages long.
My last experience with discussing this here was less than positive...
different thread, different time.
Unpleasant for me.
Your thread here, I started out by saying I believed in the golden rule and I guess some of my posts caused you to get a bit riled up but I just tried to answer what you asked me without going into personal things.
I was accused last time I shared my experience of being arrogant and self important. :?
Again dismissing my experience entirely.
This miracle is surrounded by sadness and pain and not only for me, but many I love.
Not something that is easy to discuss.
There is no superiority or arrogance and if you knew me that would be almost comical.
Perception of each other here on the board falls upon the listener and that we can not change.
The things that have happened to me in my life wouldn't, couldn't bring me to a superior status
in anyones opinion, let alone my own. In fact quite the opposite.
But I have found strength to forgive and live through knowing God and that probably shows,
here I am, yes, comfortable in my faith.
To non believers I am mistaken for a Christian .. a religious person, when it is God I answer to,
not religion, and we are close.
This has been a hill to climb here on the board,
that and the fact I believe one must discover God for themselves through life experience.
I can not help anyone find that faith.
But I will go back to love, as I guess I always do, that I hope to help people find.
I believe in God and try to live by the golden rule and not judge others...
this my religion
I don't think about who believes or who doesn't...
thats a non issue.
Treat everyone with the love and the respect they deserve as human beings.
You like me are a Humanist
I beleive in the power of humanity. we can do so much. help so much , care so much
but at the same time we can hate
thank you, you are right I believe in humanity!
Hopefully hate will someday be an emotion of the past...
it is not as strong as love but love takes more commitment, it's not always easy.
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brianlux
Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,435
:wave:
the only thing that is worth anything is love
thanks for being a friend
"The only thing that is worth anything is love."
I totally agree-- although it might be useful to remember love has its many forms- philos (brotherly/sisterly), eros (erotic), godly (Agape), familial, platonic, and good old tough love.
So, Pandora, wouldn't it therefore make sense to extend love toward those with whom you disagree and not just toward those who agree with you?
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
:wave:
the only thing that is worth anything is love
thanks for being a friend
"The only thing that is worth anything is love."
I totally agree-- although it might be useful to remember love has its many forms- philos (brotherly/sisterly), eros (erotic), godly (Agape), familial, platonic, and good old tough love.
So, Pandora, wouldn't it therefore make sense to extend love toward those with whom you disagree and not just toward those who agree with you?
This is a little funny to me just cause I'm known to be pretty lovey here towards everyone,
to the point of nauseum, I fear...
I do get my feelings hurt when people are rude to me...
"your views and beliefs are bullshit" "you are arrogant" etc.
And I, as I said earlier, am working on keeping my cool.
I think I did a good job this time around not being rude under fire.
As far as love goes for me the best place to start is respect and to not judge another...
which I too am working on.
When people call me a barstool prophet, hippie, with wishy washy ideas...
I think that is rude and judgmental and very unnecessary.
I try to remember what my Mama taught me
"Don't say anything if you can't say something nice" and
"Pandora, not everyone will like you... let it go dear."
To this I would like to add I am attempting to picture myself with this other person.
Say at a concert, out at a bar, in person.
I am trying to learn to listen as I would then,
picture being able to look in their eyes and see their body language.
To treat others with the respect I would in the flesh.
I think many here are missing that thought ... we forget we are all people with feelings.
My new friend hostis seemed to have my back a bit and also seemed to understand me
better than most. Love would come easier then as you can imagine.
[This is a little funny to me just cause I'm known to be pretty lovey here towards everyone,
to the point of nauseum, I fear...
I do get my feelings hurt when people are rude to me...
"your views and beliefs are bullshit" "you are arrogant" etc.
And I, as I said earlier, am working on keeping my cool.
I think I did a good job this time around not being rude under fire.
As far as love goes for me the best place to start is respect and to not judge another...
which I too am working on.
When people call me a barstool prophet, hippie, with wishy washy ideas...
I think that is rude and judgmental and very unnecessary.
I try to remember what my Mama taught me
"Don't say anything if you can't say something nice" and
"Pandora, not everyone will like you... let it go dear."
To this I would like to add I am attempting to picture myself with this other person.
Say at a concert, out at a bar, in person.
I am trying to learn to listen as I would then,
picture being able to look in their eyes and see their body language.
To treat others with the respect I would in the flesh.
I think many here are missing that thought ... we forget we are all people with feelings.
My new friend hostis seemed to have my back a bit and also seemed to understand me
better than most. Love would come easier then as you can imagine.
No worries- I'm not casting any stones here. Just thinking we're all friends here so maybe we should all have each other's back. Ok, onto other things...
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Morals. I think most people have them. Many seem to pick and choose which to follow to suit their own wants or wishes. To live within ones own "code of morals" with strict adherence seems a tall order.
And what might be morally good for one may not be for another, and yet still be positive and beneficial for all.
And this "God" business. which God? JudeoChristian? Islamic? One of the many Hindu? Krishna? Any of the others I'm not aware of, which I'm sure there are many.
I've had certain experiences that some could/would say are coincidental. For me though , these were hardly that and were of profound importance to me. No reason why anyone should , but if you want to know , I'll share if asked.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
No, I just like people to be honest. I can smell bullshit from a long way off.
Seems core belief threads just get people to argue something
that is the essence of themselves, their beliefs based on right and wrong or even
a life's experience that may be uncomfortable to share or express.
Often it gets heated, setting up personal attacks causing people to become defensive.
An unpleasant circle which we see sometimes here on MT.
In the future I will remain myself.. not attempting to change anyone on core beliefs
because in my opinion I can not. Remaining sensitive and using my emotional
intelligence to guide me.
No, I just like people to be honest. I can smell bullshit from a long way off.
Seems core belief threads just get people to argue something
that is the essence of themselves, their beliefs based on right and wrong or even
a life's experience that may be uncomfortable to share or express.
Often it gets heated, setting up personal attacks causing people to become defensive.
An unpleasant circle which we see sometimes here on MT.
In the future I will remain myself.. not attempting to change anyone on core beliefs
because in my opinion I can not. Remaining sensitive and using my emotional
intelligence to guide me.
I'll be here to share what I feel on the topic.
Actually, I'm all for hearing about transcendental, mystical experiences. It's just the word 'God' that gets my inquisitve side fired up.
Nothing personal.
I wouldn't describe myself as an athiest, mainly because I'm not even sure what the word means.
The fact is, the World is a mystery. And as far as I'm concerned the mystery and wonder of this World should be enbraced and not shielded behind man-made concepts such as 'God'.
And I take just as much of an issue with people laying down a word such as 'God' as I do with anyone laying down a word such as 'Democracy', or 'Communism'. I.e, if you can't explain what you mean without reference to some imagined, idealized, abstract concept that has no relation to reality , then....go and have yer dinner!
I.e, why would anyone feel the need to describe the mystery or force behind this World as 'He', or 'Him'? Why not just accept the unexplainable instead? Why do people need to try and reduce everything to human terms?
No, I just like people to be honest. I can smell bullshit from a long way off.
Seems core belief threads just get people to argue something
that is the essence of themselves, their beliefs based on right and wrong or even
a life's experience that may be uncomfortable to share or express.
Often it gets heated, setting up personal attacks causing people to become defensive.
An unpleasant circle which we see sometimes here on MT.
In the future I will remain myself.. not attempting to change anyone on core beliefs
because in my opinion I can not. Remaining sensitive and using my emotional
intelligence to guide me.
I'll be here to share what I feel on the topic.
Actually, I'm all for hearing about transcendental, mystical experiences. It's just the word 'God' that gets my inquisitve side fired up.
Nothing personal.
I wouldn't describe myself as an athiest, mainly because I'm not even sure what the word means.
The fact is, the World is a mystery. And as far as I'm concerned the mystery and wonder of this World should be enbraced and not shielded behind man-made concepts such as 'God'.
And I take just as much of an issue with people laying down a word such as 'God' as I do with anyone laying down a word such as 'Democracy', or 'Communism'. I.e, if you can't explain what you mean without reference to some imagined, idealized, abstract concept that has no relation to reality, then....go and have yer dinner!
I can still share what I want or need ...
if you can't get it then fine...
time for your dessert
would that be a little humble pie, it is extremely good for the soul.
I was never asking you to understand or attempting to tell anyone who God is
because that is a personal search and find. What I have told you from the start.
If you are in search of God you will find Him.
God is not mystic nor abstract He is there for the believing.
remember ... kinder gentler with or without God...
just makes for a nicer world, the one we all share and are trying to make a better place.
remember ... kinder gentler with or without God...
just makes for a nicer world, the one we all share and are trying to make a better place.
We're not all trying to make the World a better place. Check out what that prick got up to in Norway the other day, or the things that most politicians take pride in engineering.
Not that I wouldn't like to sail away on that boat you're on, but it seems I have one foot stuck in this World.
The World doesn't all smell of roses. Yin & Yang, and all that.
remember ... kinder gentler with or without God...
just makes for a nicer world, the one we all share and are trying to make a better place.
We're not all trying to make the World a better place. Check out what that prick got up to in Norway the other day, or the things that most politicians take pride in engineering.
Not that I wouldn't like to sail away on that boat you're on, but it seems I have one foot stuck in this World.
The World doesn't all smell of roses. Yin & Yang, and all that.
Who is this "God" that everyone is referring to? Can I go visit him/her/it? Can I talk to him? Where is he/she/it? Will he/she/it meet me at the local coffee shop?
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This is comfortable for me... when I hear His words, I have always imagined a
generous and loving spirit and yes like my father ... a Him but of course there is no gender.
So there's no contradiction there then. :?
By the way, why do you need things to be comfortable for you?
Have you not ever considered challenging your 'beliefs', or letting others challenge them?
Your idea here, Byrnzie, is very close to something I just read in Sara Maitland's book, A Book of Silence. On page 143 she quotes a Quaker (aka the Religious Society of Friends) friend of hers. The friend is talking here about some of the characterisctics of Quaker meetings:
"A lot of times people minister in rather obvious preaching-to-the-converted kinds of ways. But is being gathered about sameness of opinion? Isn't true gatheredness about being able to articulate and bridge difference. Perhaps both the gatherdness and fragmentation are true at once and the meeting is an attempt to cultivate the former."
My reason for posting this quote is not to promote Quakerism (but if I had to pick a particular faith, the Quaker involement in social work- the abolition of slavery, women's suffrage, prison reform, pacifism, mental health care- would certainly put this practice toward the top of my list). This quote relates marvelously to a lot of what we say here on PJ forum, particularly on A Moving Train. It seems to me that there is a kind of continual disjointedness in many of our posts... but something must be working right because here we are-- gathered, so-to-speak-- yet again.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
You like me are a Humanist
I beleive in the power of humanity. we can do so much. help so much , care so much
but at the same time we can hate
There is no contradiction as this is what I am experiencing.
But you may not understand this belief because you have not experienced what I have.
Your beliefs come from what you have experienced.
I will relay this one more time, not so you may understand
but perhaps to close this discussion for me.
15 years ago I experienced what I know to be a miracle.
This remains unexplained by anyone in my life
including people here,
somewhat like God... unexplained phenomenon.
Perhaps something that will be discovered and understood someday.
I continue to experience this phenomenon regular.
I asked for proof of God, "please show me you are there, I want to know."
this I asked some months after I decided not to leave this world by my own hand.
I decided to live for my children then 9 and 7.
This sounds like an easy decision for some who have never experienced
the depths of that kind of despair. It is not easy to choose life.
It is much easier to say no than yes .... this also true with faith,
it is much easier to say there is no God then yes, there is.
This life was never meant to be easy, though,
we are on a path of spiritual growth.
I was shown God... and since then I know God is there for me.
He always will be. I know there is an afterlife... I would now bet my life on it,
and for the right reasons... I understand, I get it.
I have experienced many events since, that prove this to me,
including the saving of my son's life through prayer.
A most needed and loved human, we are very much alike.
Living without each other will be very hard.
If I had not decided to live back in '93 he would most certainly have joined me.
If I had not been there for him and supported him through prayer,
during those times that his life was in turmoil, he would have passed.
This is my life, not only a belief... it is what I live daily.
No need for anyone to dissect, no need to dismiss, no need to challenge, no need to call it bullshit.
No need for anyone to even understand, I am not asking them to nor wanting them to.
They have their beliefs.
And so I will depart from this discussion saying
of course there is morality without believing in God.
God is a friend that can guide and love through one's destiny.
He bring souls together and we learn from this interaction.
We are all connected and moving towards unconditional love....
if God has anything to say about it and hopefully He does
O.k, now we're getting somewhere. This post actually makes some sense, finally.
Not that I believe the 'God' part. But the 'unexplained phenomenon' bit makes sense - something like a positive force or energy, though nothing to do with any 'he' or 'him'. But I suppose you have your own interpretation of that.
You shouldn't be so quick to state what other people's needs are. Nobody asked you to post in this thread and mention these things. And If you really have no interest in what anyone else thinks about it - unless they automatically agree with you - then why bring the subject up in the first place?
I think the reason some people have taken issue with some of your comments in this thread is that you talk about these things with an air of superiority, bordering on arrogance. You say that the experience you had is 'perhaps something that will be discovered and understood someday'. I hope it will too. Such experiences aren't wholly uncommon. Mystical experiences, out-of-body experiences e.t.c, have been happening for millenia.
Just don't be so immediately dismissive of people who question and dissect. If you'd explained this experience better in the first place instead of dressing it with blanket, all-encompassing statements of 'fact', then this thread wouldn't now be eleven pages long.
different thread, different time.
Unpleasant for me.
Your thread here, I started out by saying I believed in the golden rule and I guess some of my posts caused you to get a bit riled up but I just tried to answer what you asked me without going into personal things.
I was accused last time I shared my experience of being arrogant and self important. :?
Again dismissing my experience entirely.
This miracle is surrounded by sadness and pain and not only for me, but many I love.
Not something that is easy to discuss.
There is no superiority or arrogance and if you knew me that would be almost comical.
Perception of each other here on the board falls upon the listener and that we can not change.
The things that have happened to me in my life wouldn't, couldn't bring me to a superior status
in anyones opinion, let alone my own. In fact quite the opposite.
But I have found strength to forgive and live through knowing God and that probably shows,
here I am, yes, comfortable in my faith.
To non believers I am mistaken for a Christian .. a religious person, when it is God I answer to,
not religion, and we are close.
This has been a hill to climb here on the board,
that and the fact I believe one must discover God for themselves through life experience.
I can not help anyone find that faith.
But I will go back to love, as I guess I always do, that I hope to help people find.
the only thing that is worth anything is love
thanks for being a friend
Hopefully hate will someday be an emotion of the past...
it is not as strong as love but love takes more commitment, it's not always easy.
"The only thing that is worth anything is love."
I totally agree-- although it might be useful to remember love has its many forms- philos (brotherly/sisterly), eros (erotic), godly (Agape), familial, platonic, and good old tough love.
So, Pandora, wouldn't it therefore make sense to extend love toward those with whom you disagree and not just toward those who agree with you?
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
to the point of nauseum, I fear...
I do get my feelings hurt when people are rude to me...
"your views and beliefs are bullshit" "you are arrogant" etc.
And I, as I said earlier, am working on keeping my cool.
I think I did a good job this time around not being rude under fire.
As far as love goes for me the best place to start is respect and to not judge another...
which I too am working on.
When people call me a barstool prophet, hippie, with wishy washy ideas...
I think that is rude and judgmental and very unnecessary.
I try to remember what my Mama taught me
"Don't say anything if you can't say something nice" and
"Pandora, not everyone will like you... let it go dear."
To this I would like to add I am attempting to picture myself with this other person.
Say at a concert, out at a bar, in person.
I am trying to learn to listen as I would then,
picture being able to look in their eyes and see their body language.
To treat others with the respect I would in the flesh.
I think many here are missing that thought ... we forget we are all people with feelings.
My new friend hostis seemed to have my back a bit and also seemed to understand me
better than most. Love would come easier then as you can imagine.
Feel free to contribute something to this thread whenever you're ready.
Don't be so dramatic. You put those words in quotation marks, yet nobody here said either of those things.
No worries- I'm not casting any stones here. Just thinking we're all friends here so maybe we should all have each other's back. Ok, onto other things...
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
and something about me being full of bollocks :? I am assuming bs
sound familiar?
I will be one of the most honest sincere people you might ever meet but I won't be mean.
You too could be a little kinder gentler soul.
And if you call that drama you haven't raised a teen
Like I pointed out, nobody said the things you put in quotation marks. They also weren't said in the same context you've presented them.
Anyway...
And what might be morally good for one may not be for another, and yet still be positive and beneficial for all.
And this "God" business. which God? JudeoChristian? Islamic? One of the many Hindu? Krishna? Any of the others I'm not aware of, which I'm sure there are many.
I've had certain experiences that some could/would say are coincidental. For me though , these were hardly that and were of profound importance to me. No reason why anyone should , but if you want to know , I'll share if asked.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I have already explained my view eloqently enough... anything further to explain my views is unnecessary, as is your continuous baiting...
No, not baiting. Just not being intellectually lazy. Asking someone to explain what they mean isn't baiting.
in your eyes...
Seems core belief threads just get people to argue something
that is the essence of themselves, their beliefs based on right and wrong or even
a life's experience that may be uncomfortable to share or express.
Often it gets heated, setting up personal attacks causing people to become defensive.
An unpleasant circle which we see sometimes here on MT.
In the future I will remain myself.. not attempting to change anyone on core beliefs
because in my opinion I can not. Remaining sensitive and using my emotional
intelligence to guide me.
I'll be here to share what I feel on the topic.
Actually, I'm all for hearing about transcendental, mystical experiences. It's just the word 'God' that gets my inquisitve side fired up.
Nothing personal.
I wouldn't describe myself as an athiest, mainly because I'm not even sure what the word means.
The fact is, the World is a mystery. And as far as I'm concerned the mystery and wonder of this World should be enbraced and not shielded behind man-made concepts such as 'God'.
And I take just as much of an issue with people laying down a word such as 'God' as I do with anyone laying down a word such as 'Democracy', or 'Communism'. I.e, if you can't explain what you mean without reference to some imagined, idealized, abstract concept that has no relation to reality , then....go and have yer dinner!
I.e, why would anyone feel the need to describe the mystery or force behind this World as 'He', or 'Him'? Why not just accept the unexplainable instead? Why do people need to try and reduce everything to human terms?
if you can't get it then fine...
time for your dessert
would that be a little humble pie, it is extremely good for the soul.
I was never asking you to understand or attempting to tell anyone who God is
because that is a personal search and find. What I have told you from the start.
If you are in search of God you will find Him.
God is not mystic nor abstract He is there for the believing.
remember ... kinder gentler with or without God...
just makes for a nicer world, the one we all share and are trying to make a better place.
We're not all trying to make the World a better place. Check out what that prick got up to in Norway the other day, or the things that most politicians take pride in engineering.
Not that I wouldn't like to sail away on that boat you're on, but it seems I have one foot stuck in this World.
The World doesn't all smell of roses. Yin & Yang, and all that.
True.
do ya think they'll ever find out who Dan Cooper was/is ?
Godfather.
edited for gender neutrality/consideration