Extreme examples Chadwick, but that is the jist of it! And yes, your morals (if you had any!) are different to mine. It is widely accepted though that mankind does have some innate basic, cross culture ethics which is 'ethic of reprocity'. As I mentioned before, for survival, if nothing else! But then again, you might be a total psychopath lacking even the basics!
Though the examples you give are one culture judging another immoral because of what they do as it goes against what they think is right. So 'bad' morals, not 'no' morals.
Prehistoric man did have some 'beliefs' but the assumption is made that these stemmed from fear/awe of the unknown (mainly natural phenomena such as lightening or thunder). This, archeologists 'interpreted' by looking at remains and artifacts that have been unearthed. Eg, burial sites where some prehistoric people were buried with tools (which may suggest they didn't know what came after death), etc., whilst others have evidence of heads of the dead being bashed in and brains eaten (magic? eating the 'power' of the deceased for gain?)! Prehistoric art a well... fertility symbols (goddesses as we, modern man, see it?), etc.
But it doesn't seem there was a 'god' as such with prehistoric man, more awe/appeasement of nature type 'rituals'. But... 'morality' did exist from beginning of times!
no offence man but but everything you stated is guess's by modern man ( may suggest and assumption's)
so really no one can say for sure what the spirtual beliefs of early man were,all we have are cave painting's,artifacts,graves with tools and personal Items that "may" have been given to the dead to take with them to heaven or to give God as an offering..I mean everybody get's to guess right.
Prehistoric man did have some 'beliefs' but the assumption is made that these stemmed from fear/awe of the unknown (mainly natural phenomena such as lightening or thunder). This, archeologists 'interpreted' by looking at remains and artifacts that have been unearthed. Eg, burial sites where some prehistoric people were buried with tools (which may suggest they didn't know what came after death), etc., whilst others have evidence of heads of the dead being bashed in and brains eaten (magic? eating the 'power' of the deceased for gain?)! Prehistoric art a well... fertility symbols (goddesses as we, modern man, see it?), etc.
But it doesn't seem there was a 'god' as such with prehistoric man, more awe/appeasement of nature type 'rituals'. But... 'morality' did exist from beginning of times!
no offence man but but everything you stated is guess's by modern man ( may suggest and assumption's)
so really no one can say for sure what the spirtual beliefs of early man were,all we have are cave painting's,artifacts,graves with tools and personal Items that "may" have been given to the dead to take with them to heaven or to give God as an offering..I mean everybody get's to guess right.
Godfather.
Absolutely Godfather. That's what historians do - make assumptions based on what they have to work with. It's true that with prehistoric man, there is very little to go by besides artifacts, tools, drawings and some sculptures. That and their burial sites. What is more or less certain though, is that they did have some sort of ethics as these have been proved to be necessary for survival as part of a group - still relevant today.
i'd like to read some examples from you good people here on what you believe having no morality means
simple sentences without all the bullshit, don't get yourselves to worked up and stuff.
Hmmm.. difficult.... Morals are just a set of standards in social context (basic ones right or wrong, maybe?). But it's about what is considered right or wrong by society (and this is different from culture to culture). So, in my opinion, being amoral would just be someone who deems that these standards don't apply?
A bit like the law.. .it's against the law to jaywalk but you still do it, not because you are against the law but because there are no cars so you do not see the use of the little red man?
Or is that too bullshit of an answer? :? Not sure how to phrase it differently.
so one culture can eat their dad and mom for dinner in a cave
another think that's a bad idea?
one culture smears cow dung in their hair and beat seniors with rakes.
another culture says, wow, you folks are smelly and evil?
i know i know...im a weirdo
that's how i roll
my morals (if i :evil: had any ) are different than yours, yes/no?
Those are good questions.
And there are drastically different moral codes between countries or across the globe.
I saw a story about an Iranian woman who was attacked years ago and someone threw acid on her face and in her eyes. She is blinded and disfigured. They were going to cast the same punishment on the animal who did it to her.
I used to say, yeah, fry him! cut his eyes out and pour acid down his throat! He deserves it! And the Iranian govenment chops of heads, hands, and extremities as punishment.
This lady who was blinded in Iran...she stopped them from doing this barbaric act to the bad guy. She said "Each of us, individually, must try and treat others with respect and kindness in order to have a better society."
I tend to agree most of the time, but I've seen many folks around here that would tend argue that this guy should have acid poured in his eyes too. Is it moral? each and every one of us might think the guys punishment should be something else
Prehistoric man did have some 'beliefs' but the assumption is made that these stemmed from fear/awe of the unknown (mainly natural phenomena such as lightening or thunder). This, archeologists 'interpreted' by looking at remains and artifacts that have been unearthed. Eg, burial sites where some prehistoric people were buried with tools (which may suggest they didn't know what came after death), etc., whilst others have evidence of heads of the dead being bashed in and brains eaten (magic? eating the 'power' of the deceased for gain?)! Prehistoric art a well... fertility symbols (goddesses as we, modern man, see it?), etc.
But it doesn't seem there was a 'god' as such with prehistoric man, more awe/appeasement of nature type 'rituals'. But... 'morality' did exist from beginning of times!
no offence man but but everything you stated is guess's by modern man ( may suggest and assumption's)
so really no one can say for sure what the spirtual beliefs of early man were,all we have are cave painting's,artifacts,graves with tools and personal Items that "may" have been given to the dead to take with them to heaven or to give God as an offering..I mean everybody get's to guess right.
Godfather.
Absolutely Godfather. That's what historians do - make assumptions based on what they have to work with. It's true that with prehistoric man, there is very little to go by besides artifacts, tools, drawings and some sculptures. That and their burial sites. What is more or less certain though, is that they did have some sort of ethics as these have been proved to be necessary for survival as part of a group - still relevant today.
you sound like you have studied this stuff (early man).
you sound like you have studied this stuff (early man).
Godfather.
Strangely enough Godfather it was in the context of language acquisition! All to do with cognitive and social skills. Yep.. that ties in to morals and rituals! That does make my knowledge of primitive man a bit narrow though. My preferred 'historical' time is much later - approx 4500 bc.
Those are good questions.
And there are drastically different moral codes between countries or across the globe.
I saw a story about an Iranian woman who was attacked years ago and someone threw acid on her face and in her eyes. She is blinded and disfigured. They were going to cast the same punishment on the animal who did it to her.
I used to say, yeah, fry him! cut his eyes out and pour acid down his throat! He deserves it! And the Iranian govenment chops of heads, hands, and extremities as punishment.
This lady who was blinded in Iran...she stopped them from doing this barbaric act to the bad guy. She said "Each of us, individually, must try and treat others with respect and kindness in order to have a better society."
I tend to agree most of the time, but I've seen many folks around here that would tend argue that this guy should have acid poured in his eyes too. Is it moral? each and every one of us might think the guys punishment should be something else
i'd pass on having acid poured into his face too. that is a terrible event you just described to us. nice example of being spiritual inside one's self and aware of more that is this simple cruel life
more beauty and less pain somewhere else but can't we not stop this simplistic dislike for all and embrace each other in tears or something http://youtu.be/OSXB-e1bYGU
you sound like you have studied this stuff (early man).
Godfather.
Strangely enough Godfather it was in the context of language acquisition! All to do with cognitive and social skills. Yep.. that ties in to morals and rituals! That does make my knowledge of primitive man a bit narrow though. My preferred 'historical' time is much later - approx 4500 bc.
that is so cool man, I have a friend who told me once about 25 years ago "knowledge is power"
just one of thing's I've never forgot mostly because it's true in my opinion.
my morals (if i :evil: had any ) are different than yours, yes/no?
:wave:
I think your virtues/ morals are many!
You have integrity, are principled and show courage of convictions,
standing up for what you think is right.
You have empathy and respect for others and show tolerance,
you seek peace and resolve,
you forgive!
You are generous and kind and you value life.
...
A bit like the law.. .it's against the law to jaywalk but you still do it, not because you are against the law but because there are no cars so you do not see the use of the little red man?
...
jaywalking is such a bullshit law. and its one i break on a daily basis.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
...
A bit like the law.. .it's against the law to jaywalk but you still do it, not because you are against the law but because there are no cars so you do not see the use of the little red man?
...
jaywalking is such a bullshit law. and its one i break on a daily basis.
Jaywalking protects the drivers as much as the pedestrians. If we only expect pedestrians in crosswalks or intersections, it makes traffic run smoother and everybody safer the way I see it. What do you think?
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."
I hit a jaywalker once... well he hit me ...
he ran full force into my car while I was backing up parallel parking
into a street space.
I wasn't sited but it was very very upsetting.
I remember this, it was over 35 years ago now,
and I try to avoid jaywalking myself.
...
A bit like the law.. .it's against the law to jaywalk but you still do it, not because you are against the law but because there are no cars so you do not see the use of the little red man?
...
jaywalking is such a bullshit law. and its one i break on a daily basis.
Jaywalking protects the drivers as much as the pedestrians. If we only expect pedestrians in crosswalks or intersections, it makes traffic run smoother and everybody safer the way I see it. What do you think?
oh yes i know some people are idiots when it comes to crossing the road... and i feel it should be well within the rights of the driver to make contact with stupidheads for whom crossing the road safely and effectively seems to be impossible. i aslo think that if someone drives through a red light, it is totally acceptable to 1. kcik their side panel as they just miss you crossing with the little green man or 2. ram them with your SUV and be absolved of all liability. i also think that if pedestrians leave the kerb when the little red man is flashing, they are open to being 'nudged' by the patient but exasperated drivers who have been waiting to turn legally only to have the flow of traffic disturbed by inconsiderate pedestrians. what do you think?
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
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Though the examples you give are one culture judging another immoral because of what they do as it goes against what they think is right. So 'bad' morals, not 'no' morals.
no offence man but but everything you stated is guess's by modern man ( may suggest and assumption's)
so really no one can say for sure what the spirtual beliefs of early man were,all we have are cave painting's,artifacts,graves with tools and personal Items that "may" have been given to the dead to take with them to heaven or to give God as an offering..I mean everybody get's to guess right.
Godfather.
Absolutely Godfather. That's what historians do - make assumptions based on what they have to work with. It's true that with prehistoric man, there is very little to go by besides artifacts, tools, drawings and some sculptures. That and their burial sites. What is more or less certain though, is that they did have some sort of ethics as these have been proved to be necessary for survival as part of a group - still relevant today.
Those are good questions.
And there are drastically different moral codes between countries or across the globe.
I saw a story about an Iranian woman who was attacked years ago and someone threw acid on her face and in her eyes. She is blinded and disfigured. They were going to cast the same punishment on the animal who did it to her.
I used to say, yeah, fry him! cut his eyes out and pour acid down his throat! He deserves it! And the Iranian govenment chops of heads, hands, and extremities as punishment.
This lady who was blinded in Iran...she stopped them from doing this barbaric act to the bad guy. She said "Each of us, individually, must try and treat others with respect and kindness in order to have a better society."
I tend to agree most of the time, but I've seen many folks around here that would tend argue that this guy should have acid poured in his eyes too. Is it moral? each and every one of us might think the guys punishment should be something else
you sound like you have studied this stuff (early man).
Godfather.
Strangely enough Godfather it was in the context of language acquisition! All to do with cognitive and social skills. Yep.. that ties in to morals and rituals! That does make my knowledge of primitive man a bit narrow though. My preferred 'historical' time is much later - approx 4500 bc.
i'd pass on having acid poured into his face too. that is a terrible event you just described to us. nice example of being spiritual inside one's self and aware of more that is this simple cruel life
more beauty and less pain somewhere else but can't we not stop this simplistic dislike for all and embrace each other in tears or something
http://youtu.be/OSXB-e1bYGU
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
that is so cool man, I have a friend who told me once about 25 years ago "knowledge is power"
just one of thing's I've never forgot mostly because it's true in my opinion.
Godfather.
:wave:
I think your virtues/ morals are many!
You have integrity, are principled and show courage of convictions,
standing up for what you think is right.
You have empathy and respect for others and show tolerance,
you seek peace and resolve,
you forgive!
You are generous and kind and you value life.
Pretty amazing stuff yes / no? :thumbup:
jaywalking is such a bullshit law. and its one i break on a daily basis.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Jaywalking protects the drivers as much as the pedestrians. If we only expect pedestrians in crosswalks or intersections, it makes traffic run smoother and everybody safer the way I see it. What do you think?
"With our thoughts we make the world"
he ran full force into my car while I was backing up parallel parking
into a street space.
I wasn't sited but it was very very upsetting.
I remember this, it was over 35 years ago now,
and I try to avoid jaywalking myself.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
oh yes i know some people are idiots when it comes to crossing the road... and i feel it should be well within the rights of the driver to make contact with stupidheads for whom crossing the road safely and effectively seems to be impossible. i aslo think that if someone drives through a red light, it is totally acceptable to 1. kcik their side panel as they just miss you crossing with the little green man or 2. ram them with your SUV and be absolved of all liability. i also think that if pedestrians leave the kerb when the little red man is flashing, they are open to being 'nudged' by the patient but exasperated drivers who have been waiting to turn legally only to have the flow of traffic disturbed by inconsiderate pedestrians. what do you think?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say