Morality Without God

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,676
    pandora wrote:
    hostis wrote:
    don't bite, Pandora. It's not worth it.
    :)
    :wave:
    the only thing that is worth anything is love :D

    thanks for being a friend

    "The only thing that is worth anything is love."

    I totally agree-- although it might be useful to remember love has its many forms- philos (brotherly/sisterly), eros (erotic), godly (Agape), familial, platonic, and good old tough love.

    So, Pandora, wouldn't it therefore make sense to extend love toward those with whom you disagree and not just toward those who agree with you?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    brianlux wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    hostis wrote:
    don't bite, Pandora. It's not worth it.
    :)
    :wave:
    the only thing that is worth anything is love :D

    thanks for being a friend

    "The only thing that is worth anything is love."

    I totally agree-- although it might be useful to remember love has its many forms- philos (brotherly/sisterly), eros (erotic), godly (Agape), familial, platonic, and good old tough love.

    So, Pandora, wouldn't it therefore make sense to extend love toward those with whom you disagree and not just toward those who agree with you?
    This is a little funny to me just cause I'm known to be pretty lovey here towards everyone,
    to the point of nauseum, I fear... :lol:

    I do get my feelings hurt when people are rude to me...
    "your views and beliefs are bullshit" "you are arrogant" etc.
    And I, as I said earlier, am working on keeping my cool.
    I think I did a good job this time around not being rude under fire.

    As far as love goes for me the best place to start is respect and to not judge another...
    which I too am working on.

    When people call me a barstool prophet, hippie, with wishy washy ideas...
    I think that is rude and judgmental and very unnecessary.

    I try to remember what my Mama taught me
    "Don't say anything if you can't say something nice" and
    "Pandora, not everyone will like you... let it go dear."

    To this I would like to add I am attempting to picture myself with this other person.
    Say at a concert, out at a bar, in person.
    I am trying to learn to listen as I would then,
    picture being able to look in their eyes and see their body language.
    To treat others with the respect I would in the flesh.

    I think many here are missing that thought ... we forget we are all people with feelings.

    My new friend hostis seemed to have my back a bit and also seemed to understand me
    better than most. Love would come easier then as you can imagine.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    hostis wrote:
    don't bite, Pandora. It's not worth it.
    :)

    Feel free to contribute something to this thread whenever you're ready.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    pandora wrote:
    I do get my feelings hurt when people are rude to me...
    "your views and beliefs are bullshit" "you are arrogant" etc.

    Don't be so dramatic. You put those words in quotation marks, yet nobody here said either of those things.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,676
    pandora wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    [This is a little funny to me just cause I'm known to be pretty lovey here towards everyone,
    to the point of nauseum, I fear... :lol:

    I do get my feelings hurt when people are rude to me...
    "your views and beliefs are bullshit" "you are arrogant" etc.
    And I, as I said earlier, am working on keeping my cool.
    I think I did a good job this time around not being rude under fire.

    As far as love goes for me the best place to start is respect and to not judge another...
    which I too am working on.

    When people call me a barstool prophet, hippie, with wishy washy ideas...
    I think that is rude and judgmental and very unnecessary.

    I try to remember what my Mama taught me
    "Don't say anything if you can't say something nice" and
    "Pandora, not everyone will like you... let it go dear."

    To this I would like to add I am attempting to picture myself with this other person.
    Say at a concert, out at a bar, in person.
    I am trying to learn to listen as I would then,
    picture being able to look in their eyes and see their body language.
    To treat others with the respect I would in the flesh.

    I think many here are missing that thought ... we forget we are all people with feelings.

    My new friend hostis seemed to have my back a bit and also seemed to understand me
    better than most. Love would come easier then as you can imagine.

    No worries- I'm not casting any stones here. Just thinking we're all friends here so maybe we should all have each other's back. Ok, onto other things...
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Byrnzie wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    I do get my feelings hurt when people are rude to me...
    "your views and beliefs are bullshit" "you are arrogant" etc.

    Don't be so dramatic. You put those words in quotation marks, yet nobody here said either of those things.
    "No, I just like people to be honest. I can smell bullshit from a long way off."

    and something about me being full of bollocks :? I am assuming bs

    sound familiar?

    I will be one of the most honest sincere people you might ever meet but I won't be mean.

    You too could be a little kinder gentler soul.

    And if you call that drama you haven't raised a teen :lol:
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    pandora wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    I do get my feelings hurt when people are rude to me...
    "your views and beliefs are bullshit" "you are arrogant" etc.

    Don't be so dramatic. You put those words in quotation marks, yet nobody here said either of those things.
    "No, I just like people to be honest. I can smell bullshit from a long way off."

    and something about me being full of bollocks :? I am assuming bs

    sound familiar?

    I will be one of the most honest sincere people you might ever meet but I won't be mean.

    You too could be a little kinder gentler soul.

    And if you call that drama you haven't raised a teen :lol:

    Like I pointed out, nobody said the things you put in quotation marks. They also weren't said in the same context you've presented them.

    Anyway...
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,810
    Morals. I think most people have them. Many seem to pick and choose which to follow to suit their own wants or wishes. To live within ones own "code of morals" with strict adherence seems a tall order.

    And what might be morally good for one may not be for another, and yet still be positive and beneficial for all.


    And this "God" business. which God? JudeoChristian? Islamic? One of the many Hindu? Krishna? Any of the others I'm not aware of, which I'm sure there are many.


    I've had certain experiences that some could/would say are coincidental. For me though , these were hardly that and were of profound importance to me. No reason why anyone should , but if you want to know , I'll share if asked.
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    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • hostis
    hostis Posts: 441
    Byrnzie wrote:
    hostis wrote:
    don't bite, Pandora. It's not worth it.
    :)

    Feel free to contribute something to this thread whenever you're ready.

    I have already explained my view eloqently enough... anything further to explain my views is unnecessary, as is your continuous baiting...
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    hostis wrote:
    I have already explained my view eloqently enough... anything further to explain my views is unnecessary, as is your continuous baiting...

    No, not baiting. Just not being intellectually lazy. Asking someone to explain what they mean isn't baiting.
  • hostis
    hostis Posts: 441
    Byrnzie wrote:
    hostis wrote:
    I have already explained my view eloqently enough... anything further to explain my views is unnecessary, as is your continuous baiting...

    No, not baiting. Just not being intellectually lazy. Asking someone to explain what they mean isn't baiting.

    in your eyes...
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Your words...
    Byrnzie wrote:
    No, I just like people to be honest. I can smell bullshit from a long way off.



    Seems core belief threads just get people to argue something
    that is the essence of themselves, their beliefs based on right and wrong or even
    a life's experience that may be uncomfortable to share or express.

    Often it gets heated, setting up personal attacks causing people to become defensive.

    An unpleasant circle which we see sometimes here on MT.

    In the future I will remain myself.. not attempting to change anyone on core beliefs
    because in my opinion I can not. Remaining sensitive and using my emotional
    intelligence to guide me.

    I'll be here to share what I feel on the topic.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    pandora wrote:
    Your words...
    Byrnzie wrote:
    No, I just like people to be honest. I can smell bullshit from a long way off.



    Seems core belief threads just get people to argue something
    that is the essence of themselves, their beliefs based on right and wrong or even
    a life's experience that may be uncomfortable to share or express.

    Often it gets heated, setting up personal attacks causing people to become defensive.

    An unpleasant circle which we see sometimes here on MT.

    In the future I will remain myself.. not attempting to change anyone on core beliefs
    because in my opinion I can not. Remaining sensitive and using my emotional
    intelligence to guide me.

    I'll be here to share what I feel on the topic.

    Actually, I'm all for hearing about transcendental, mystical experiences. It's just the word 'God' that gets my inquisitve side fired up.
    Nothing personal.
    I wouldn't describe myself as an athiest, mainly because I'm not even sure what the word means.
    The fact is, the World is a mystery. And as far as I'm concerned the mystery and wonder of this World should be enbraced and not shielded behind man-made concepts such as 'God'.
    And I take just as much of an issue with people laying down a word such as 'God' as I do with anyone laying down a word such as 'Democracy', or 'Communism'. I.e, if you can't explain what you mean without reference to some imagined, idealized, abstract concept that has no relation to reality , then....go and have yer dinner!


    I.e, why would anyone feel the need to describe the mystery or force behind this World as 'He', or 'Him'? Why not just accept the unexplainable instead? Why do people need to try and reduce everything to human terms?
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Byrnzie wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Your words...
    Byrnzie wrote:
    No, I just like people to be honest. I can smell bullshit from a long way off.



    Seems core belief threads just get people to argue something
    that is the essence of themselves, their beliefs based on right and wrong or even
    a life's experience that may be uncomfortable to share or express.

    Often it gets heated, setting up personal attacks causing people to become defensive.

    An unpleasant circle which we see sometimes here on MT.

    In the future I will remain myself.. not attempting to change anyone on core beliefs
    because in my opinion I can not. Remaining sensitive and using my emotional
    intelligence to guide me.

    I'll be here to share what I feel on the topic.

    Actually, I'm all for hearing about transcendental, mystical experiences. It's just the word 'God' that gets my inquisitve side fired up.
    Nothing personal.
    I wouldn't describe myself as an athiest, mainly because I'm not even sure what the word means.
    The fact is, the World is a mystery. And as far as I'm concerned the mystery and wonder of this World should be enbraced and not shielded behind man-made concepts such as 'God'.
    And I take just as much of an issue with people laying down a word such as 'God' as I do with anyone laying down a word such as 'Democracy', or 'Communism'. I.e, if you can't explain what you mean without reference to some imagined, idealized, abstract concept that has no relation to reality, then....go and have yer dinner!
    I can still share what I want or need ...
    if you can't get it then fine...

    time for your dessert :lol:
    would that be a little humble pie, it is extremely good for the soul. ;)

    I was never asking you to understand or attempting to tell anyone who God is
    because that is a personal search and find. What I have told you from the start.

    If you are in search of God you will find Him.

    God is not mystic nor abstract He is there for the believing.

    remember ... kinder gentler with or without God...
    just makes for a nicer world, the one we all share and are trying to make a better place.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    pandora wrote:
    remember ... kinder gentler with or without God...
    just makes for a nicer world, the one we all share and are trying to make a better place.

    We're not all trying to make the World a better place. Check out what that prick got up to in Norway the other day, or the things that most politicians take pride in engineering.

    Not that I wouldn't like to sail away on that boat you're on, but it seems I have one foot stuck in this World.


    The World doesn't all smell of roses. Yin & Yang, and all that.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Byrnzie wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    remember ... kinder gentler with or without God...
    just makes for a nicer world, the one we all share and are trying to make a better place.

    We're not all trying to make the World a better place. Check out what that prick got up to in Norway the other day, or the things that most politicians take pride in engineering.

    Not that I wouldn't like to sail away on that boat you're on, but it seems I have one foot stuck in this World.


    The World doesn't all smell of roses. Yin & Yang, and all that.
    we can try that all we can do
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    pandora wrote:
    we can try that all we can do

    True.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Byrnzie wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    we can try that all we can do

    True.

    do ya think they'll ever find out who Dan Cooper was/is ?

    Godfather.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Godfather. wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    we can try that all we can do

    True.

    do ya think they'll ever find out who Dan Cooper was/is ?

    Godfather.
    :shock: he looks really familar... nah :lol:
  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    edited July 2011
    Who is this "God" that everyone is referring to? Can I go visit him/her/it? Can I talk to him? Where is he/she/it? Will he/she/it meet me at the local coffee shop?

    edited for gender neutrality/consideration
    Post edited by whygohome on

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