BIN LADEN IS DEAD

ledvedderman

EmBleve wrote:

ledvedderman wrote:

Links for conflicting reports? I don't believe it until I see proof.

http://www.thedailyaztec.com/2011/05/os ... n-is-dead/
I posted another one earlier similar to this. I'm just saying that it is possible that a week ago is the time, and it has just been released. I just think it is interesting.

Bad journalism of clearly not listening to what the President said. They have no source or anything to backup the claim.

brianlux

redrock wrote:

You can say I'm thick, but listening at the news, I really don't understand how one can say 'we have closure now' or 'the world is a safer place' following Bin Laden's death. It's absurd to think that....

I totally agree.

And as Lou Reed once said: "don't believe half of what you see and none of what you hear".

EmBleve

ledvedderman wrote:

EmBleve wrote:

ledvedderman wrote:

Links for conflicting reports? I don't believe it until I see proof.

http://www.thedailyaztec.com/2011/05/os ... n-is-dead/
I posted another one earlier similar to this. I'm just saying that it is possible that a week ago is the time, and it has just been released. I just think it is interesting.

Bad journalism of clearly not listening to what the President said. They have no source or anything to backup the claim.

I'm not arguing that they don't have anything to back up the claims. But any source can say anything, including press conferences. I mean, they could all be telling stories. Wherever this source came from, it's not the only one, and it's rather coincidental that more than one source had this initial story.

Jeanwah

brianlux wrote:

redrock wrote:

You can say I'm thick, but listening at the news, I really don't understand how one can say 'we have closure now' or 'the world is a safer place' following Bin Laden's death. It's absurd to think that....

I totally agree.

And as Lou Reed once said: "don't believe half of what you see and none of what you hear".

:thumbup: I may have to steal his quote.

Get_Right

Jeanwah wrote:

My perceived end game? QUESTION EVERYTHING. Believe stories when proof is supplied. This is NOT conspiracy behavior, it's CRITICAL THINKING.

And I'm always baffled by people who believe everything they hear.

I agree. And not enough details have been provided. But this was a covert operation. We may never get the blow-by-blow.

But I do not believe the president lied on national television and I do believe our government can conduct a DNA test a lot faster than you think when the need calls for it.

Jeanwah

I don't want anyone to think that I hope Bin Laden is still alive and well, but that we all seem to be at the mercy of our govt when they tell us news that is widely approved of, even when the story has not been proven yet.

Byrnzie

Bush & Obama are responsible for more deaths of innocent men, women, and children than Bin Laden.

Oh well, nevermind.

norm

Get_Right wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

My perceived end game? QUESTION EVERYTHING. Believe stories when proof is supplied. This is NOT conspiracy behavior, it's CRITICAL THINKING.

And I'm always baffled by people who believe everything they hear.

I agree. And not enough details have been provided. But this was a covert operation. We may never get the blow-by-blow.

But I do not believe the president lied on national television and I do believe our government can conduct a DNA test a lot faster than you think when the need calls for it.

i agree...i very skeptical of our govt but the whole way this thing has gone down seems like it's real...but... :think:

Jeanwah

Get_Right wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

My perceived end game? QUESTION EVERYTHING. Believe stories when proof is supplied. This is NOT conspiracy behavior, it's CRITICAL THINKING.

And I'm always baffled by people who believe everything they hear.

I agree. And not enough details have been provided. But this was a covert operation. We may never get the blow-by-blow.

But I do not believe the president lied on national television and I do believe our government can conduct a DNA test a lot faster than you think when the need calls for it.

Apparently the govt has top secret technology for quick results, that no one else has access to. Not surprising, but I hope there's independent analysis on it as well as the govt's biased team analyzing it.

fife

Jeanwah wrote:

fife wrote:

now as for the proof, there have been reports from the government that a DNA match was found, so what real proof do you really need. I personally believe that the reports are correct cause if not don't you think we would be hearing from experts saying how there is no way that DNA can be found as a match that early?

There are conflicting reports between this all happening a week ago (enough time to conduct accurate DNA testing) and Obama's orders came on April 30. If the latter is true, there is simply not enough time for accurate DNA tests.

Let me ask you a question, and everyone else who are not at all skeptical.

Why do you believe everything you read in the mainstream news? THERE IS NO PROOF YET. The body was thrown into the sea. Therefore questioning whether it really did happen and he's dead is completely natural.

First off, just because i believe this story doesn't mean i believe everything main stream news. just like how i might not believe info from non-mainstrem news paper but believe other stories they report on.

now concerning the reports, i will give you that there might be conflicting reports about when this all happen but at the present moment the government is saying that it all happen yesterday and that DNA test were already done. don't you for a second believe that if DNA test was completed and results were already in that a expert would come up and say "a DNA test can't be done that fast?" of course there would.

Secondly, if Osama is alive don't you think that maybe he might release a videotape saying Hey remember me. i hear i am dead but yet I'm still talking to you all.

you also have the story of the guy who was tweeting about what was happening as it was happen as Norm showed.

EdsonNascimento

Jeanwah wrote:

I don't want anyone to think that I hope Bin Laden is still alive and well, but that we all seem to be at the mercy of our govt when they tell us news that is widely approved of, even when the story has not been proven yet.

What proof is good enough? Will it be enough when the lead medical examiner says - yep - DNA proves it? OR will you need to look at the DNA sample yourself. At some point, you're going to have to believe something somebody says about something.

I don't get why you'd question this (or, I should more properly say - question this beyond the fleeting thought that quickly passes in all of us regarding this b/c it would be so illogical for the President to lie about something like this AND for the necessary people to be kept quiet after the fact).

We get it. You don't trust the gov't. Bravo for you. But with this you just sound like a loon (no offence intended).

Nitro

Here's some info from Scientific American regarding DNA Tests and Bin Laden.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/ ... 2011-05-02

ledvedderman

fife wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

fife wrote:

now as for the proof, there have been reports from the government that a DNA match was found, so what real proof do you really need. I personally believe that the reports are correct cause if not don't you think we would be hearing from experts saying how there is no way that DNA can be found as a match that early?

There are conflicting reports between this all happening a week ago (enough time to conduct accurate DNA testing) and Obama's orders came on April 30. If the latter is true, there is simply not enough time for accurate DNA tests.

Let me ask you a question, and everyone else who are not at all skeptical.

Why do you believe everything you read in the mainstream news? THERE IS NO PROOF YET. The body was thrown into the sea. Therefore questioning whether it really did happen and he's dead is completely natural.

First off, just because i believe this story doesn't mean i believe everything main stream news. just like how i might not believe info from non-mainstrem news paper but believe other stories they report on.

now concerning the reports, i will give you that there might be conflicting reports about when this all happen but at the present moment the government is saying that it all happen yesterday and that DNA test were already done. don't you for a second believe that if DNA test was completed and results were already in that a expert would come up and say "a DNA test can't be done that fast?" of course there would.

Secondly, if Osama is alive don't you think that maybe he might release a videotape saying Hey remember me. i hear i am dead but yet I'm still talking to you all.

you also have the story of the guy who was tweeting about what was happening as it was happen as Norm showed.

OPEN YOUR EYES! HE WAS IN ON IT TOO!

Byrnzie

I may be wrong, but aren't extra-judcial assassinations illegal under international law?

fife

Nitro wrote:

Here's some info from Scientific American regarding DNA Tests and Bin Laden.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/ ... 2011-05-02

Thanks for this. hopefully this clears up some info out there.

ledvedderman

Byrnzie wrote:

I may be wrong, but aren't extra-judcial assassinations illegal under international law?

Is it an assassination when firefighting takes place on both sides?

gimmesometruth27

Byrnzie wrote:

I may be wrong, but aren't extra-judcial assassinations illegal under international law?

i guess it all depends. that is the specialty of the cia and other intelligence organizations world wide....

Parksy

To Jeanwah:

I have to disagree with what you keep saying "QUESTION EVERYTHING"

This isn't X-Files. Democracy is what it is. Political parties have leaders. Countries have leaders.

I'm not suggesting everyone blindly follow what they say.. but CUT THEM SOME SLACK!!

If you cannot trust Obama when he says bin Laden is dead.... then I pity you for living in a state of

constant concern.

Yes folks, it's ok to TRUST your government.

EmBleve

fife wrote:

Nitro wrote:

Here's some info from Scientific American regarding DNA Tests and Bin Laden.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/ ... 2011-05-02

Thanks for this. hopefully this clears up some info out there.

yes, it does, and is very interesting. At least that very same article mentions the other sources who talk about a week ago, as I have been feeling as though I am crazy for even bringing that up here because there is nothing to 'back that up'. Please also note that I am not the only one who thinks that could be very possible. :roll:

Byrnzie

ledvedderman wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

I may be wrong, but aren't extra-judcial assassinations illegal under international law?

Is it an assassination when firefighting takes place on both sides?

They've admitted that they went in with the intention to kill him.