Why would Pakistan Army give shelter to Al-Qaieda and Osama when it is them who have been bombing and killing innocent Pakistanis for over 20 years. More Pakistani soldiers have died fighting this war on terror. Pakistan has been the biggest victim of terrorism and more Pakistani Soldiers have died in this war of terror. NEVER FORGET THAT!!!!!!!
So to blame to Pakistan is just naive and pretty stupid
I assume this was directed at me ... please note that I mentioned "elements". I applaud and pray for the safety of those that risk their lives fighting the Taliban.
The supposed fortune in minerals is a pipe dream. No one is going to devote the resources necessary or invest the money that is required to tap into those resources, especially considering how volatile the area is (and will be for quite some time).
Since when does a volatile area stop the US from conducting business with/in or around an area or place?
So, you are telling me, just that quick we kill him, fly him to Afghanistan in our coptors, and dump his ass at sea, and there is NO real proof? I call Bullshit on this. Why all of a sudden after the fake birth certificate came out this takes place? Just watch Wag The Dog...photos can be faked..lets see what they are going to release to the media..Just trying to figure out why now all of a sudden? What are they trying to take our minds off of? Libya, the fake certificate, radiation from Japan...
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So, you are telling me, just that quick we kill him, fly him to Afghanistan in our coptors, and dump his ass at sea, and there is NO real proof? I call Bullshit on this. Why all of a sudden after the fake birth certificate came out this takes place? Just watch Wag The Dog...photos can be faked..lets see what they are going to release to the media..Just trying to figure out why now all of a sudden? What are they trying to take our minds off of? Libya, the fake certificate, radiation from Japan...
Good think Osama and his cronies are going along with all this....
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
So, you are telling me, just that quick we kill him, fly him to Afghanistan in our coptors, and dump his ass at sea, and there is NO real proof? I call Bullshit on this. Why all of a sudden after the fake birth certificate came out this takes place? Just watch Wag The Dog...photos can be faked..lets see what they are going to release to the media..Just trying to figure out why now all of a sudden? What are they trying to take our minds off of? Libya, the fake certificate, radiation from Japan...
Good think Osama and his cronies are going along with all this....
yeah really
fake certificate? give me a break. :?
if people do not believe that the birth certificate is real of course they are going to be skeptical of this...
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So, you are telling me, just that quick we kill him, fly him to Afghanistan in our coptors, and dump his ass at sea, and there is NO real proof? I call Bullshit on this. Why all of a sudden after the fake birth certificate came out this takes place? Just watch Wag The Dog...photos can be faked..lets see what they are going to release to the media..Just trying to figure out why now all of a sudden? What are they trying to take our minds off of? Libya, the fake certificate, radiation from Japan...
So, you are telling me, just that quick we kill him, fly him to Afghanistan in our coptors, and dump his ass at sea, and there is NO real proof? I call Bullshit on this. Why all of a sudden after the fake birth certificate came out this takes place? Just watch Wag The Dog...photos can be faked..lets see what they are going to release to the media..Just trying to figure out why now all of a sudden? What are they trying to take our minds off of? Libya, the fake certificate, radiation from Japan...
I don't think it's an impossible task. Not when we understand that just about everyone wants the same thing in the end. To be happy, free and live.
American policy does not allow that to. The whole system is designed for America to be on top and everyone under it. How is that not an evil empire, Add to the constant expansions and base buildings.
I was not speaking about individual behavior, rather government/system behavior. Again read the stories, look at the stats.
American policy supports other corrupt governments and regimes.
So let's see, we have a country (America), that invades other countries going against international law, a country that detains people without trial (Gitmo and other 'secret' prisons) , a country that supports other corrupt governments (Israel, Saudis)
Sounds like an evil empire to me.
Well if not impossible, then why are those regions still in conflict? Obviously there are groups that cannot be happy and live free in the same place. All governments have some corruption-its just a question of degree.
I dont agree with everything the US does and War is a dirty thing.
So, you are telling me, just that quick we kill him, fly him to Afghanistan in our coptors, and dump his ass at sea, and there is NO real proof? I call Bullshit on this. Why all of a sudden after the fake birth certificate came out this takes place? Just watch Wag The Dog...photos can be faked..lets see what they are going to release to the media..Just trying to figure out why now all of a sudden? What are they trying to take our minds off of? Libya, the fake certificate, radiation from Japan...
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You're right though, we should watch a FUCKING MOVIE, to see how photo's can be faked. ET flying that bicycle past the moon. Fake. Aladdin on the magic carpet. Also fake. Believe it or not, the shark jumping in the original Batman movie. Yup. Fake.
Well if not impossible, then why are those regions still in conflict? Obviously there are groups that cannot be happy and live free in the same place. All governments have some corruption-its just a question of degree.
I dont agree with everything the US does and War is a dirty thing.
True groups within these regions do cause tons and tons of trouble. But the main reasons for the ongoing conflicts in many of these countries is simply due to American/British Policy.
Even if we go back to Iran in the 50s, it was the USA that started with them. America took down a democratic government and put up a puppet one, they did this to take Irans oil. Years of the Shah is where Iranian anger towards America came from.
Or let's look at Palestine, the Creation of Israel, a country 100% backed by the US, no matter what. That is another major major cause of conflict in that region. America leaving Afghanistan in a mess after the Soviet war is what helped breed Bin Laded and other groups.
Americas military support of the corrupt Saudis and other Arab governments.
You see, America is the major factor in all of this. We have ongoing conflict because we have ongoing corruption. Take away one, see what happens to the other.
True groups within these regions do cause tons and tons of trouble. But the main reasons for the ongoing conflicts in many of these countries is simply due to American/British Policy.
Even if we go back to Iran in the 50s, it was the USA that started with them. America took down a democratic government and put up a puppet one, they did this to take Irans oil. Years of the Shah is where Iranian anger towards America came from.
Or let's look at Palestine, the Creation of Israel, a country 100% backed by the US, no matter what. That is another major major cause of conflict in that region. America leaving Afghanistan in a mess after the Soviet war is what helped breed Bin Laded and other groups.
Americas military support of the corrupt Saudis and other Arab governments.
You see, America is the major factor in all of this. We have ongoing conflict because we have ongoing corruption. Take away one, see what happens to the other.
So, you are telling me, just that quick we kill him, fly him to Afghanistan in our coptors, and dump his ass at sea, and there is NO real proof? I call Bullshit on this. Why all of a sudden after the fake birth certificate came out this takes place? Just watch Wag The Dog...photos can be faked..lets see what they are going to release to the media..Just trying to figure out why now all of a sudden? What are they trying to take our minds off of? Libya, the fake certificate, radiation from Japan...
Completely agree. I've also been thinking this strategically took place to take our minds off of something else, too.
So, you are telling me, just that quick we kill him, fly him to Afghanistan in our coptors, and dump his ass at sea, and there is NO real proof? I call Bullshit on this. Why all of a sudden after the fake birth certificate came out this takes place? Just watch Wag The Dog...photos can be faked..lets see what they are going to release to the media..Just trying to figure out why now all of a sudden? What are they trying to take our minds off of? Libya, the fake certificate, radiation from Japan...
Yes...that is what we, and common sense, are telling you. Please join us, we miss you.
You're right though, we should watch a FUCKING MOVIE, to see how photo's can be faked. ET flying that bicycle past the moon. Fake. Aladdin on the magic carpet. Also fake. Believe it or not, the shark jumping in the original Batman movie. Yup. Fake.
It is somewhat coincidental regardless of what anybody might say--especially if it (OBL) DID happen last week before the birth certificate thing came out--I'm not saying I necessarily believe this, so please don't start giving me sh*t about it---I'm just saying that I don't believe it to be out of reach, by any stretch, of things our government would resort to. And this was a very sarcastic response to what the guy was saying about Wag the Dog. No SH*T it's a MOVIE. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen in real life!! And it's not animation or science fiction. It's a legitimate point, not lost on alot of people.
So, you are telling me, just that quick we kill him, fly him to Afghanistan in our coptors, and dump his ass at sea, and there is NO real proof? I call Bullshit on this. Why all of a sudden after the fake birth certificate came out this takes place? Just watch Wag The Dog...photos can be faked..lets see what they are going to release to the media..Just trying to figure out why now all of a sudden? What are they trying to take our minds off of? Libya, the fake certificate, radiation from Japan...
Completely agree. I've also been thinking this strategically took place to take our minds off of something else, too.
I, too, agree that his post poses legitimate concerns (I was posting my comment simultaneously. )
So, you are telling me, just that quick we kill him, fly him to Afghanistan in our coptors, and dump his ass at sea, and there is NO real proof? I call Bullshit on this. Why all of a sudden after the fake birth certificate came out this takes place? Just watch Wag The Dog...photos can be faked..lets see what they are going to release to the media..Just trying to figure out why now all of a sudden? What are they trying to take our minds off of? Libya, the fake certificate, radiation from Japan...
Completely agree. I've also been thinking this strategically took place to take our minds off of something else, too.
I don't see how this can be fake. He's either dead or they have captured him and are just saying he is dead otherwise Osama would just post a video of himself with todays newspaper. Maybe i'm missing something?
I really just don't understand this birth certificate nonsense. Maybe because I am from a different political climate (in some ways anyway) but this kind of talk would have been dissmissed a long time ago in my country I feel. If any doubters could point me towards some sort of evidence I would appreciate it so I can understand more.
It has crossed my mind that there may be no photos of the body, because it may just look like a complete mess and totally unrecognizable-- a complete dismemberment. Once the guy was shot to death emotion may have taken over and the soldiers might have completely unloaded everything they had into him point blank-- after all, this wasn't just any member of Al Qaeda, this was THE guy and I'm sure at least 1 person in the room was willing to take it to that level. Photos of that would A) not really show / prove anything at all and photos of OBL looking FUBAR might really piss some people off and radicalize them further.
It has crossed my mind that there may be no photos of the body, because it may just look like a complete mess and totally unrecognizable-- a complete dismemberment. Once the guy was shot to death emotion may have taken over and the soldiers might have completely unloaded everything they had into him point blank-- after all, this wasn't just any member of Al Qaeda, this was THE guy and I'm sure at least 1 person in the room was willing to take it to that level. Photos of that would A) not really show / prove anything at all and photos of OBL looking FUBAR might really piss some people off and radicalize them further.
I bet we'll never know.
i don't think seals would ever do that...they're too well trained but, yeah, emotion could take over
It has crossed my mind that there may be no photos of the body, because it may just look like a complete mess and totally unrecognizable-- a complete dismemberment. Once the guy was shot to death emotion may have taken over and the soldiers might have completely unloaded everything they had into him point blank-- after all, this wasn't just any member of Al Qaeda, this was THE guy and I'm sure at least 1 person in the room was willing to take it to that level. Photos of that would A) not really show / prove anything at all and photos of OBL looking FUBAR might really piss some people off and radicalize them further.
I bet we'll never know.
i don't think seals would ever do that...they're too well trained but, yeah, emotion could take over
yea navy seals are to well trained go crazy.probably just shot him a few times to make sure he's dead. i was watching msnbc and one of the guest who has an "in" said the navy seals shot him in the eye.
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It has crossed my mind that there may be no photos of the body, because it may just look like a complete mess and totally unrecognizable-- a complete dismemberment. Once the guy was shot to death emotion may have taken over and the soldiers might have completely unloaded everything they had into him point blank-- after all, this wasn't just any member of Al Qaeda, this was THE guy and I'm sure at least 1 person in the room was willing to take it to that level. Photos of that would A) not really show / prove anything at all and photos of OBL looking FUBAR might really piss some people off and radicalize them further.
I bet we'll never know.
i don't think seals would ever do that...they're too well trained but, yeah, emotion could take over
yea navy seals are to well trained go crazy.probably just shot him a few times to make sure he's dead. i was watching msnbc and one of the guest who has an "in" said the navy seals shot him in the eye.
Marc Ambinder described the bin Laden raid in his excellent report on National Journal: “From Ghazi Air Base in Pakistan, the modified MH-60 helicopters made their way to the garrison suburb of Abbottabad, about 30 miles from the center of Islamabad. Aboard were Navy SEALs, flown across the border from Afghanistan, along with tactical signals, intelligence collectors, and navigators using highly classified hyperspectral imagers. After bursts of fire over 40 minutes, 22 people were killed or captured. One of the dead was Osama bin Laden, done in by a double tap—boom, boom—to the left side of his face. His body was aboard the choppers that made the trip back. One had experienced mechanical failure and was destroyed by US forces.”
It has crossed my mind that there may be no photos of the body, because it may just look like a complete mess and totally unrecognizable-- a complete dismemberment. Once the guy was shot to death emotion may have taken over and the soldiers might have completely unloaded everything they had into him point blank-- after all, this wasn't just any member of Al Qaeda, this was THE guy and I'm sure at least 1 person in the room was willing to take it to that level. Photos of that would A) not really show / prove anything at all and photos of OBL looking FUBAR might really piss some people off and radicalize them further.
I bet we'll never know.
If you have ever seen what a gunshot wound to the head really looks like, than you would understand why they have not been released.
So, you are telling me, just that quick we kill him, fly him to Afghanistan in our coptors, and dump his ass at sea, and there is NO real proof? I call Bullshit on this. Why all of a sudden after the fake birth certificate came out this takes place? Just watch Wag The Dog...photos can be faked..lets see what they are going to release to the media..Just trying to figure out why now all of a sudden? What are they trying to take our minds off of? Libya, the fake certificate, radiation from Japan...
Completely agree. I've also been thinking this strategically took place to take our minds off of something else, too.
I don't see how this can be fake. He's either dead or they have captured him and are just saying he is dead otherwise Osama would just post a video of himself with todays newspaper. Maybe i'm missing something?
I really just don't understand this birth certificate nonsense. Maybe because I am from a different political climate (in some ways anyway) but this kind of talk would have been dissmissed a long time ago in my country I feel. If any doubters could point me towards some sort of evidence I would appreciate it so I can understand more.
Would he post a video of himself? The world thinks he's dead now. He can just shave off his beard and not have to worry about being hunted anymore.
great photo. i was listening to npr today and they were talking about how intense /tense this was for everyone. i guess when the helicopter went down their were some real worries. i understand too that pakistan actually started to scrammble( f 16's?) to the location when the mission was underway not knowing what was happening.
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i know people still say twitter is useless blah blah blah but it's how i found out about all this last night...this graph is kinda cool
Since when does a volatile area stop the US from conducting business with/in or around an area or place?
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Very cool, thank you for posting that. I like the article that was on Mashable about it was well. Twitter is also how I found out about it last night.
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Good think Osama and his cronies are going along with all this....
fake certificate? give me a break. :?
if people do not believe that the birth certificate is real of course they are going to be skeptical of this...
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Well if not impossible, then why are those regions still in conflict? Obviously there are groups that cannot be happy and live free in the same place. All governments have some corruption-its just a question of degree.
I dont agree with everything the US does and War is a dirty thing.
Yes...that is what we, and common sense, are telling you. Please join us, we miss you.
You're right though, we should watch a FUCKING MOVIE, to see how photo's can be faked. ET flying that bicycle past the moon. Fake. Aladdin on the magic carpet. Also fake. Believe it or not, the shark jumping in the original Batman movie. Yup. Fake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZxzJGgox_E
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True groups within these regions do cause tons and tons of trouble. But the main reasons for the ongoing conflicts in many of these countries is simply due to American/British Policy.
Even if we go back to Iran in the 50s, it was the USA that started with them. America took down a democratic government and put up a puppet one, they did this to take Irans oil. Years of the Shah is where Iranian anger towards America came from.
Or let's look at Palestine, the Creation of Israel, a country 100% backed by the US, no matter what. That is another major major cause of conflict in that region. America leaving Afghanistan in a mess after the Soviet war is what helped breed Bin Laded and other groups.
Americas military support of the corrupt Saudis and other Arab governments.
You see, America is the major factor in all of this. We have ongoing conflict because we have ongoing corruption. Take away one, see what happens to the other.
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Agreed.
Completely agree. I've also been thinking this strategically took place to take our minds off of something else, too.
I don't see how this can be fake. He's either dead or they have captured him and are just saying he is dead otherwise Osama would just post a video of himself with todays newspaper. Maybe i'm missing something?
I really just don't understand this birth certificate nonsense. Maybe because I am from a different political climate (in some ways anyway) but this kind of talk would have been dissmissed a long time ago in my country I feel. If any doubters could point me towards some sort of evidence I would appreciate it so I can understand more.
I bet we'll never know.
i don't think seals would ever do that...they're too well trained but, yeah, emotion could take over
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Marc Ambinder described the bin Laden raid in his excellent report on National Journal: “From Ghazi Air Base in Pakistan, the modified MH-60 helicopters made their way to the garrison suburb of Abbottabad, about 30 miles from the center of Islamabad. Aboard were Navy SEALs, flown across the border from Afghanistan, along with tactical signals, intelligence collectors, and navigators using highly classified hyperspectral imagers. After bursts of fire over 40 minutes, 22 people were killed or captured. One of the dead was Osama bin Laden, done in by a double tap—boom, boom—to the left side of his face. His body was aboard the choppers that made the trip back. One had experienced mechanical failure and was destroyed by US forces.”
http://www.thenation.com/blog/160332/js ... -bin-laden
C'mon wikileaks!
The video of the burial at sea is supposed to be released soon but still no words on any photos
great photo. i was listening to npr today and they were talking about how intense /tense this was for everyone. i guess when the helicopter went down their were some real worries. i understand too that pakistan actually started to scrammble( f 16's?) to the location when the mission was underway not knowing what was happening.
but no chinese take out or pizza
pfffffft.............