BIN LADEN IS DEAD

mikepegg44

he still stands wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

so who is all in on it?

what do you mean? the CIA was "in on it" until August 2001, as a CIA operative met with OBL in Dubai that month. Bush was given the keys to take out OBL by the Taliban (twice), but refused. The FBI higher ups conspired to stop agents from working on islamic militants in the US in 1996, and only re-opened the case on 9/12/2001. There are a half-dozen other facts presented in the video that document either outright conspiracy or extreme ignorance.

The highest circles of American intelligence were friends with OBL until 9/11, then they used him as "the boogie man" immediately following 9/11 to begin the war(s) in the Middle East.

OBL was an evil man, and he is dead (although I don't believe he is in the Indian Ocean). The point here is that the US used OBL as a puppet of fear to wage war, when it is pretty clear that he had little to no involvement in 9/11.

mikepegg44 wrote:

that was not worth 15 minutes. just saying it doesn't make it true... I love revisionist history

what exactly is revisionist about the video?

Looking back at "facts" and opinions and making them fit some scheme is quite revisionist...

taking peoples opinions and making them seem like some undiscovered bit of evidence and fact...is quite revisionist...looking at the list of people who were flown out of the country as some sort of expose when in reality it was probably a safety measure...as some sort of smoking gun...
making claims that cia operatives met with bin laden in august...without a shred of actual evidence besides one news reporters claim...simply saying they saw him there and that he boasted about it...the best part is that in the quote about the meeting it says alleged but the guy speaks it as TRUTH....that is the problem I have with it and the credibility of his claims...people have seen elvis too...these kinds of here say things would be MASSIVE STORIES if they were actually true...do you think the press in the US would protect Bush or anyone in his administration?...lol..you have got to be kidding...Clinton could have taken him out too...is he in on it?

Seriously...I don't want to get into it with you because if you want to believe the US government attacked itself to pass the patriot act or whatever the hell other reasons there were to go to war in the mind of the conspiracist I cannot change that for you...it isn't my job to change it...you can think whatever you want...I was just telling you my opinion on whether or not it was worth 15 minutes...it wasn't. these are the same baseless half truths that have been made hundreds of times before...what was new in this video? that wasn't known before?

he still stands

reading comprehension is not your forte I guess... I never said that I thought the US attacked itself or knew about 9/11 before it happened. These "opinions" that you talk about are from other intelligence agencies and leaks of US intelligence reports, as well as former operatives who've defected. The facts are there... just because it is discomforting to you shouldn't mean that you automatically assume it can't be true.

Jason P

Jeanwah wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I lost a pair of sunglasses in knee high surf .... I'm guessing this guy doesn't have much luck. And if he does, why the hell isn't he treasure hunting!

Did you even read it? There is a chance the body could be recovered.

Yeah, I read the article. My reason for being very skeptical are

1) It took the French two years to find the black box from the flight that crashed off the coast of Brazil into the Atlantic ... and that was a device that was built so it could be found easily and they knew the general area in which the debris was scattered.

2) Bin Laden is just as likely to be in Area 51 or met his demise in a crematorium then resting in Bikini Bottom.

This guy says he has investors helping fund his expedition but "victims" is probably what they really are. I smell a con.

mikepegg44

he still stands wrote:

reading comprehension is not your forte I guess... I never said that I thought the US attacked itself or knew about 9/11 before it happened. These "opinions" that you talk about are from other intelligence agencies and leaks of US intelligence reports, as well as former operatives who've defected. The facts are there... just because it is discomforting to you shouldn't mean that you automatically assume it can't be true.

it isn't discomforting...and there was no need to attack my reading comprehension...I can read and comprehend just fine thank you and have read about this and many other conspiracies...the main goal is usually the same .... make the US look like it attacked itself to start some sort of war for oil...and if you believe in the form of the conspiracy presented in this great 15 minute video than the next conclusion is the US did it to itself is it not?
You didn't expressly say that is what you thought, but the implication in this video and others like it is that the US was complicit...
the facts are certainly there...to be manipulated anyway conspiracists see fit...if bin Laden was not guilty...why wouldn't he run to a place like Iran or China or N Korea for protection and tell the whole world his crazy story of deep involvement in the CIA? ...the KISS principle still applies to things like this even though they are on an international espionage like level...
but you are right...it must be because I cannot read or comprehend words...its a good thing I have someone here to type for me otherwise I probably couldn't even communicate...but I shouldn't take your backhanded comments too seriously anyway...you were the one who called me a liberal and told me how much I love government...but I should stop now because I don't want to lock the thread for everyone else

Drowned Out

mikepegg44 wrote:

he still stands wrote:

reading comprehension is not your forte I guess... I never said that I thought the US attacked itself or knew about 9/11 before it happened. These "opinions" that you talk about are from other intelligence agencies and leaks of US intelligence reports, as well as former operatives who've defected. The facts are there... just because it is discomforting to you shouldn't mean that you automatically assume it can't be true.

it isn't discomforting...and there was no need to attack my reading comprehension...I can read and comprehend just fine thank you and have read about this and many other conspiracies...the main goal is usually the same .... make the US look like it attacked itself to start some sort of war for oil...and if you believe in the form of the conspiracy presented in this great 15 minute video than the next conclusion is the US did it to itself is it not?
You didn't expressly say that is what you thought, but the implication in this video and others like it is that the US was complicit...
the facts are certainly there...to be manipulated anyway conspiracists see fit...if bin Laden was not guilty...why wouldn't he run to a place like Iran or China or N Korea for protection and tell the whole world his crazy story of deep involvement in the CIA? ...the KISS principle still applies to things like this even though they are on an international espionage like level...
but you are right...it must be because I cannot read or comprehend words...its a good thing I have someone here to type for me otherwise I probably couldn't even communicate...but I shouldn't take your backhanded comments too seriously anyway...you were the one who called me a liberal and told me how much I love government...but I should stop now because I don't want to lock the thread for everyone else

For future reference: invoking Ockham's Razor makes you sound smarter than bringing up the KISS principle...Comprende? :P
Didn't OBL say that his entire plan was to bankrupt the US via the war on terror? Running to China or Iran would have screwed that all up. Besides....do you honestly think anyone would believe an OBL statement released via the Iranian government? It would be completely discredited in every mainstream story about it...
According to the official story (which you seem to buy into), he wanted to be hunted....

mikepegg44

Drowned Out wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

he still stands wrote:

reading comprehension is not your forte I guess... I never said that I thought the US attacked itself or knew about 9/11 before it happened. These "opinions" that you talk about are from other intelligence agencies and leaks of US intelligence reports, as well as former operatives who've defected. The facts are there... just because it is discomforting to you shouldn't mean that you automatically assume it can't be true.

it isn't discomforting...and there was no need to attack my reading comprehension...I can read and comprehend just fine thank you and have read about this and many other conspiracies...the main goal is usually the same .... make the US look like it attacked itself to start some sort of war for oil...and if you believe in the form of the conspiracy presented in this great 15 minute video than the next conclusion is the US did it to itself is it not?
You didn't expressly say that is what you thought, but the implication in this video and others like it is that the US was complicit...
the facts are certainly there...to be manipulated anyway conspiracists see fit...if bin Laden was not guilty...why wouldn't he run to a place like Iran or China or N Korea for protection and tell the whole world his crazy story of deep involvement in the CIA? ...the KISS principle still applies to things like this even though they are on an international espionage like level...
but you are right...it must be because I cannot read or comprehend words...its a good thing I have someone here to type for me otherwise I probably couldn't even communicate...but I shouldn't take your backhanded comments too seriously anyway...you were the one who called me a liberal and told me how much I love government...but I should stop now because I don't want to lock the thread for everyone else

For future reference: invoking Ockham's Razor makes you sound smarter than bringing up the KISS principle...Comprende? :P
Didn't OBL say that his entire plan was to bankrupt the US via the war on terror? Running to China or Iran would have screwed that all up. Besides....do you honestly think anyone would believe an OBL statement released via the Iranian government? It would be completely discredited in every mainstream story about it...
According to the official story (which you seem to buy into), he wanted to be hunted....

but since I can barely read the KISS principle suits me just fine...but what does the word invoking mean? or entireor running? I am just a caveman, confused by your big words.
I don't necessarily buy the "official story' but I find it difficult to believe the assertion in the video. I just don't think that as many people as would be necessary and complicit in this type of government operation would be able to do so without the entire thing crumbling. Unfortunately not buying the crazy stories of US involvement to further some war agenda means to many that I am simply a stooge or blind or too stupid to read...
If bin Laden consistently claimed innocence there would be plenty of people around the world willing to believe his story...especially with evidence he would surely have in his possession of all of his dealings...seems like a little better idea than simply hiding...especially if you wanted to prove your innocence...seems like he was fine with being considered guilty...probably because he was

Drowned Out

mikepegg44 wrote:

I don't necessarily buy the "official story' but I find it difficult to believe the assertion in the video. I just don't think that as many people as would be necessary and complicit in this type of government operation would be able to do so without the entire thing crumbling. Unfortunately not buying the crazy stories of US involvement to further some war agenda means to many that I am simply a stooge or blind or too stupid to read...
If bin Laden consistently claimed innocence there would be plenty of people around the world willing to believe his story...especially with evidence he would surely have in his possession of all of his dealings...seems like a little better idea than simply hiding...especially if you wanted to prove your innocence...seems like he was fine with being considered guilty...probably because he was

I don't necessarily buy the "conspiracy theories’ but I find it difficult to believe the official story. I just don't think anyone would be able to pull this off without some type of complicity from the government, otherwise the entire thing crumbles. Unfortunately not buying the crazy official story of 10 guys with box cutters to further some vague terrorist agenda means to many that I am simply a stooge or blind or too stupid to read...
If bin Laden truely claimed responsibility, there would be plenty of people around the world willing to believe his story...especially with evidence he would surely have in his possession of the attack...seems like a little better idea than simply hiding...especially if you wanted to prove your point...seems like he was fine with being considered guilty...probably because he partly was
.....see what I'm saying?

Drowned Out

mikepegg44 wrote:

but since I can barely read the KISS principle suits me just fine...but what does the word invoking mean? or entireor running? I am just a caveman, confused by your big words.
I don't necessarily buy the "official story' but I find it difficult to believe the assertion in the video. I just don't think that as many people as would be necessary and complicit in this type of government operation would be able to do so without the entire thing crumbling. Unfortunately not buying the crazy stories of US involvement to further some war agenda means to many that I am simply a stooge or blind or too stupid to read...
If bin Laden consistently claimed innocence there would be plenty of people around the world willing to believe his story...especially with evidence he would surely have in his possession of all of his dealings...seems like a little better idea than simply hiding...especially if you wanted to prove your innocence...seems like he was fine with being considered guilty...probably because he was

or because he wanted the US to bankrupt herself. According to the official story, he admitted it and wanted the US to spend a fortune looking for him and his cohorts... I dunno...not sure if you're thinking that I implied you were blind or stupid, or just continuing in your offense to HSS's comment....but I wasn't implying that, and the comprende was a total joke...I always enjoy reading posts from both you and HSS....
I didn't watch the video, and to be honest I don't even like talking about 9/11 anymore. My line of thinking is similar to yours but just on the other side of the unsure-fence....There are too many unanswered questions for the the official story to be true, nor for Ockham's razor to be invoked. There are so many questions/coincidences/inconsistencies about that day that cannot be explained with any of the flimsy official assertions....conversely, there are a lot of ridiculous stretches made on the conspiracy side of the ledger....so to suggest that the entire overarching plan can be explained simply (KISS or ockham's) is preposterous to me.

cincybearcat

If this thread is coming back, I'm gonna say it again...

Yeah!

he still stands

Drowned Out wrote:

or because he wanted the US to bankrupt herself. According to the official story, he admitted it and wanted the US to spend a fortune looking for him and his cohorts... I dunno...not sure if you're thinking that I implied you were blind or stupid, or just continuing in your offense to HSS's comment....but I wasn't implying that, and the comprende was a total joke...I always enjoy reading posts from both you and HSS....
I didn't watch the video, and to be honest I don't even like talking about 9/11 anymore. My line of thinking is similar to yours but just on the other side of the unsure-fence....There are too many unanswered questions for the the official story to be true, nor for Ockham's razor to be invoked. There are so many questions/coincidences/inconsistencies about that day that cannot be explained with any of the flimsy official assertions....conversely, there are a lot of ridiculous stretches made on the conspiracy side of the ledger....so to suggest that the entire overarching plan can be explained simply (KISS or ockham's) is preposterous to me.

the video isn't really about the 9/11 conspiracy... it is about the U.S. using OBL as the "face of 9/11" when it is absolutely clear to everyone (outside the jingoists in the US) that OBL had little to no involvement in 9/11. The people (including myself in 2001) were instantly sold on going to war in order to rid the world of OBL and his cohorts, and when they had chances to take him out and end the war Bush refused (twice).

You're more likely to die of a lightning strike than to be killed by a terrorist, yet the fear mongerers have us up in arms at the tune of $400 - $500 billion per year to rid the world of a fairy tale.

that's the video's postulation and mine, too. I don't believe in the conspiracy theories that say the US was complicit in 9/11 because 1) it is too intricate and complex 2) I don't believe our government is that evil. I may disagree with most things and even think they are fear mongerers, but I don't think they are murderers in an explicit sense.

Jason P

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maybe theyll release pictures of his body?