BIN LADEN IS DEAD

lukin2006

Jeanwah wrote:

EmBleve wrote:

fife wrote:

I might be wrong about this but I do know that many of the Muslim faith believe that i dead body must be buried in 1 day. Maybe someone here can confirm or deny that.

If it is true things become more difficult. what do you do? do you follow that believe or don't so that you can show more proof.

I saw somewhere on cnn, I think, that it actually happened like a week ago and they have done DNA testing to make sure before they 'buried' him. ??

A week ago? And I did read something about linking DNA to a sister who died of cancer, but it's still in testing phases. How long does it take to get a DNA report?

Another thing... why did they choose to kill him rather than wound him in order to capture him? That would seem more feasible AND believable...

If I was in a firefight...the last thing on my mind is wounding the enemy...you do what it takes to secure the area...and make sure you and your brother in arms stay a live.

gimmesometruth27

msnbc just broke in and said the dna is a match and that bin laden is in fact dead.

i read last night that we confiscated laptops and other evidence from the compound.

Jeanwah

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

msnbc just broke in and said the dna is a match and that bin laden is in fact dead.

i read last night that we confiscated laptops and other evidence from the compound.

So DNA testing can be done in a matter of hours??

EmBleve

pjhawks wrote:

who cares, a mass murderer is dead and that's all i care about. good riddance (hope you had the time of your life).

um, yeah. and I'm sure he did.

EmBleve

Jeanwah wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

msnbc just broke in and said the dna is a match and that bin laden is in fact dead.

i read last night that we confiscated laptops and other evidence from the compound.

So DNA testing can be done in a matter of hours??

nope.

gimmesometruth27

here is video from inside the compound after the firefight. i am not sure if it is legit or not, but whether or not this is actually where bin laden was killed there are pools with a lot of blood..

warning- graphic footage of blood..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/0 ... 56206.html

Jeanwah

EmBleve wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

msnbc just broke in and said the dna is a match and that bin laden is in fact dead.

i read last night that we confiscated laptops and other evidence from the compound.

So DNA testing can be done in a matter of hours??

nope.

Gimme? Do you believe msnbc?

gimmesometruth27

the mission was to kill bin laden, not capture him.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/0 ... 56211.html

Jason P

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i can't answer for pandora or know1, but after reading their posts for years i am pretty certain that they are consistent in their positions and no matter who is killed they would not change their views. i have learned that much after reading their posts for years. and i agree with them. this is no reason to celebrate.

Capturing and killing the man that changed our way of life, killed thousands of innocent Americans, and was the catalyst for two wars (which to many accounts on this board led to millions of civilians dying) is not reason for celebration? I guess everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I think yours may be in the slim minority. I know I will crack a beer or two tonight and toast our servicemen for an operation well done.

BinauralJam

Dead or Alive, Bin Laden wins in the end, were gona be worried about terrorism for the rest of our lives.

EdsonNascimento

Interesting thread. My thoughts:

1. Osama bin Laden is dead. Hooray!
2. In a lot of ways for those close to what happened that day, it brings more sadness. Quite frankly, to me, it is great he is dead, but today is more a day of reflection than anything else.
3. Never believe CNN (their pre-report of what is happening with the body). They haven’t been a relevant news organization in like 15 years. I would double and triple check anything they say. Quadruple goes for MSNBC.
4. The trial v. no trial idea. This is clearly a completely different situation. If said child molester had pulled a gun (or had a body guard pull a gun) on a police officer and the police officer shot both of them down, I don’t think anyone on the fair trial side would say anything (other than very hard core liberals who would then pull out the fair use of weapons argument doubting the police instead of the criminal). On top of that, Osama has “plead guilty” to killing innocents without warning and ran to escape a fair trial. All bets are off at that point. Plus, he was a war combatant, so even if captured, he’d get a war tribunal and not an American trial. Just like Saddam Hussein (for someone who said he was hanged in a back room – no he wasn’t. He was given a war trial and sentenced to death. Even CNN got that right at the time).
5. Osama is a coward. He asks people to die for his cause, yet builds himself a million dollar mansion to live in luxury.
6. There is no politics here. It is a very good day for the world. It does not end terrorism, but maybe it does affect it.
7. Anyone who pontificates on what this means exactly and how al Quaida is currently constructed is talking out of their asses. So, please stop.
8. Every generation has their trials. I remember practicing air raid drills b/c the Russians were coming (and like a desk was going to protect a 10 year old from a missle hitting my school – who was the genius that thought of that?). As someone said – it’s not what we know that is the problem. It’s what we don’t know.
9. And thank you to all the folks who spent parts of the last 10 years to get to this point. It is a day of celebration of sorts. But, of those that paid a dear price either through being in the wrong place at the wrong time or being the brave ones trying to save them. Let’s think of them today instead of the coward.

Boxes&Books

Joe Scarborough: Obama’s Base Didn’t Want Him To Catch Bin Laden


With the announcement of Osama Bin Laden’s death last night, President Obama secured a decade-long goal in eliminating a mass murderer and global terrorist. While his leadership behind the accomplishment has spurred many to push past partisan politics, MSNBC host Joe Scarborough managed to conjure up a division. In going after bin Laden, Obama not only defied his “base,” he defied his own “ideological leanings”:

SCARBOROUGH: Here, you know, I think Republicans should stand up and certainly salute Barack Obama for making some — again, for making some very tough choices that his own base did not want him to make. That takes courage, that takes leadership, and we saw the results of that courage and leadership saying no to his own base yesterday.[...]

[These are] decisions that he probably did not believe as a candidate he didn’t think he’d have to make…Going against his own ideological leanings to do what he believes he has to do.
Of course, not only did Obama immediately renew the U.S. commitment to finding Bin Laden after his windfall election, he actually campaigned on it. “We will kill Bin Laden. We will crush Al Qaeda. That has to be our biggest national security priority,” Obama said during a presidential debate on October 7, 2008. As for “Obama’s base,” the throngs of “mostly young people” (arguably his largest supporters) celebrating in the streets in front of the White House and in New York City last night must have forgotten to be angry. (H/T: @GZornick)

zarocat

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Interesting thread. My thoughts:

1. Osama bin Laden is dead. Hooray!
2. In a lot of ways for those close to what happened that day, it brings more sadness. Quite frankly, to me, it is great he is dead, but today is more a day of reflection than anything else.
3. Never believe CNN (their pre-report of what is happening with the body). They haven’t been a relevant news organization in like 15 years. I would double and triple check anything they say. Quadruple goes for MSNBC.
4. The trial v. no trial idea. This is clearly a completely different situation. If said child molester had pulled a gun (or had a body guard pull a gun) on a police officer and the police officer shot both of them down, I don’t think anyone on the fair trial side would say anything (other than very hard core liberals who would then pull out the fair use of weapons argument doubting the police instead of the criminal). On top of that, Osama has “plead guilty” to killing innocents without warning and ran to escape a fair trial. All bets are off at that point. Plus, he was a war combatant, so even if captured, he’d get a war tribunal and not an American trial. Just like Saddam Hussein (for someone who said he was hanged in a back room – no he wasn’t. He was given a war trial and sentenced to death. Even CNN got that right at the time).
5. Osama is a coward. He asks people to die for his cause, yet builds himself a million dollar mansion to live in luxury.
6. There is no politics here. It is a very good day for the world. It does not end terrorism, but maybe it does affect it.
7. Anyone who pontificates on what this means exactly and how al Quaida is currently constructed is talking out of their asses. So, please stop.
8. Every generation has their trials. I remember practicing air raid drills b/c the Russians were coming (and like a desk was going to protect a 10 year old from a missle hitting my school – who was the genius that thought of that?). As someone said – it’s not what we know that is the problem. It’s what we don’t know.
9. And thank you to all the folks who spent parts of the last 10 years to get to this point. It is a day of celebration of sorts. But, of those that paid a dear price either through being in the wrong place at the wrong time or being the brave ones trying to save them. Let’s think of them today instead of the coward.

Jeanwah

Jason P wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i can't answer for pandora or know1, but after reading their posts for years i am pretty certain that they are consistent in their positions and no matter who is killed they would not change their views. i have learned that much after reading their posts for years. and i agree with them. this is no reason to celebrate.

Capturing and killing the man that changed our way of life, killed thousands of innocent Americans, and was the catalyst for two wars (which to many accounts on this board led to millions of civilians dying) is not reason for celebration? I guess everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I think yours may be in the slim minority. I know I will crack a beer or two tonight and toast our servicemen for an operation well done.

I don't celebrate deaths either. I wanted him captured. There are still MANY questions about 9/11 and the supposed death of bin Laden does not make everything better.

gimmesometruth27

Jason P wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i can't answer for pandora or know1, but after reading their posts for years i am pretty certain that they are consistent in their positions and no matter who is killed they would not change their views. i have learned that much after reading their posts for years. and i agree with them. this is no reason to celebrate.

Capturing and killing the man that changed our way of life, killed thousands of innocent Americans, and was the catalyst for two wars (which to many accounts on this board led to millions of civilians dying) is not reason for celebration? I guess everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I think yours may be in the slim minority. I know I will crack a beer or two tonight and toast our servicemen for an operation well done.

was he a threat to you? no. that is the difference between you and i. i don't celebrate anybody's death. maybe i am a little too refined for that.

did you see the dumbasses being interviewed in front of the white house last night? the ones that were interviewed did not even know what they were talking about. they were acting is if the "war on turr" was over and we stopped terrorism or something....that is not the case. everyone can crack beers and celebrate if they want to, but in reality nothing has changed and the terrorists are not going to give up because the figurehead is dead. and we are going to continue whatever it is that we are doing in iraq, afghanistan, and libya...so i'm sorry to go bursting bubbles..

Get_Right

As I said, its a symbolic victory. Those directly affected by al Qaeda should feel some satisfaction. Make no mistake, there ARE politics involved and it will be milked for all its worth. That is what politicians do.

"The death of Mr. bin Laden still leaves a large pool of militant Islamists who believe killing in the name of God is justified. The most active of the world's al Qaeda cells exist on the Saudi border, within the Arabian Peninsula nation of Yemen. Thus, Saudi officials will likely not be relaxing their counter-terrorism pursuits in the near future."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... TopStories

Some might think that bin laden's death will make a difference, but I dont. We are relying on the Saudi's to deal with Al Qaeda-does that make you feel safe?

fife

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i can't answer for pandora or know1, but after reading their posts for years i am pretty certain that they are consistent in their positions and no matter who is killed they would not change their views. i have learned that much after reading their posts for years. and i agree with them. this is no reason to celebrate.

Capturing and killing the man that changed our way of life, killed thousands of innocent Americans, and was the catalyst for two wars (which to many accounts on this board led to millions of civilians dying) is not reason for celebration? I guess everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I think yours may be in the slim minority. I know I will crack a beer or two tonight and toast our servicemen for an operation well done.

was he a threat to you? no. that is the difference between you and i. i don't celebrate anybody's death. maybe i am a little too refined for that.

did you see the dumbasses being interviewed in front of the white house last night? the ones that were interviewed did not even know what they were talking about. they were acting is if the "war on turr" was over and we stopped terrorism or something....that is not the case. everyone can crack beers and celebrate if they want to, but in reality nothing has changed and the terrorists are not going to give up because the figurehead is dead. and we are going to continue whatever it is that we are doing in iraq, afghanistan, and libya...so i'm sorry to go bursting bubbles..

Hey Gimme, i agree with everything you said except the "was he a threat to you?no" quote. mass murderous are a threat to everyone. I can understand why some people celebrate this person death. it might not be for you but if i was a family member of a person who dies in 911 i would be happy that the mastermind got what he deserved.

threefish10

For those saying this happened a week ago:


The detainees provided U.S. officials the courier's nickname, and identified him as protégé of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and a trusted assistant of Abu Faraj al Libbi, once Al Qaeda's third highest ranking official. (He was captured in 2005).

The president finally gave the order for the operation to pursue bin Laden on the morning of April 29 - just before he departed for Alabama to visit areas ravaged by last week's tornadoes that tore through the southern U.S., a senior administration official said.

Early Sunday morning in Pakistan, the strike began.

By 1 pm in Washington, top advisers had gathered at the White House. Around 2 pm, Obama huddled with them to review final preparations for the operation. He returned to Situation Room at 3:32 pm for another update, and by 3:50 he was given word that bin Laden was "tentatively identified" as among those killed in the operation. At 7 pm, Obama was told it was a "high probability" that it was, indeed, bin Laden.

The entire operation took just 40-minutes and involved a small U.S. team, a senior administration official said.


In addition to bin Laden, four others on the compound - an adult son of Bin Laden and two of bin Laden's couriers - were killed in the strike on the compound in an affluent suburb about 35 miles outside of Islamabad. A woman, who an administration official said was used as a human shield, was also killed in the operation.

Administration officials offered scant details about how Bin Laden conducted himself in his final moments, only saying that he was felled in a firefight.

No Americans were killed in the operation, which was kept secret from the Pakistani government until after it was completed. But an administration official said that a helicopter was lost in the operation.

know1

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

know1 you don't like someone being killed you said earlier, trust me if Osama had a gun and you were next to him he would kill you. An exception needs to be made when it comes to Osama.

And what is your point? If I shot him first would that make me better than him? It wouldn't.

gimmesometruth27

fife wrote:

Hey Gimme, i agree with everything you said except the "was he a threat to you?no" quote. mass murderous are a threat to everyone. I can understand why some people celebrate this person death. it might not be for you but if i was a family member of a person who dies in 911 i would be happy that the mastermind got what he deserved.

actually, khalid sheikh muhammad was the mastermind behind 9/11. obl financed it.

he was a mass murderer, but he was no threat to me or my way of life. my own federal government is a bigger threat to my way of life than osama ever was.

i never ever felt threatened by obl, so he was not a threat to me. sure i am angry at him for what he did, but i would have rather him had to face the families of the victims in a court of law.