BIN LADEN IS DEAD

Spags

Two taps to the head and dropped in the sea...I'll be avoiding the tube for a while now then.

Parksy

I wanted to add this as well.. to those on here who are saying Osama bin Laden deserved a fair trial..

You are more than entitled to that opinion, and I respect that.

My opinion is this. He 'deserved' nothing less than painful torture. If you can suggest a living person as of two days ago more evil than him.. I'm all ears.

Taking a bullet in the head was getting off easy as far as I'm concerned.

Again, call me barbaric... but that's my opinion.

redrock

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

people are celebrating as if we "won" something.

I think the 'winning' has to do that Bin Laden was a huge chip on the shoulders of the american government(s). The might of the US and unable to catch this guy for 10 years??? All the money, all the lives lost and nothing to 'show' for it - quite humiliating really. Now that 'chip' is gone - shows how, in the end, 'we' got him and everything else is justified....

Jeanwah

redrock wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

people are celebrating as if we "won" something.

I think the 'winning' has to do that Bin Laden was a huge chip on the shoulders of the american government(s). The might of the US and unable to catch this guy for 10 years??? All the money, all the lives lost and nothing to 'show' for it - quite humiliating really. Now that 'chip' is gone - shows how, in the end, 'we' got him and everything else is justified....

I don't know...I think it's embarrassing that it took the great and powerful U.S. 10 YEARS to capture someone that should have taken months to do, seeing that we're supposedly so beefed up military-wise... Americans should be saying "WTF did it take so long", over "Yay! we finally got 'em!"

Get_Right

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

people are celebrating as if we "won" something. based on the fact that osama is not the only terrorist on earth and that there are others, and based on the cost i would have to ask what it is exactly that we won... i do not feel that one dude is worth spending a trillion dollars and over 5000 american servicepeople's lives...

Its not the first time the US has waged an expensive war with questionable motivation. At least this time ONE of the many goals was achieved, even if it was a small one. I think that's part of the reason people are skeptical that its true, it hard to believe after all these years that they accomplished SOMETHING. That and the fact that it is a political payday for Obama and the war mongers who will use this event as proof that the military efforts have been successful and continue to be necessary.

Parksy

Jeanwah wrote:

redrock wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

people are celebrating as if we "won" something.

I think the 'winning' has to do that Bin Laden was a huge chip on the shoulders of the american government(s). The might of the US and unable to catch this guy for 10 years??? All the money, all the lives lost and nothing to 'show' for it - quite humiliating really. Now that 'chip' is gone - shows how, in the end, 'we' got him and everything else is justified....

I don't know...I think it's embarrassing that it took the great and powerful U.S. 10 YEARS to capture someone that should have taken months to do, seeing that we're supposedly so beefed up military-wise... Americans should be saying "WTF did it take so long", over "Yay! we finally got 'em!"

An international manhunt was bound to take time.

Local murder investigations take plenty of time... sometimes years.

So it's no surprise to me at least that it took this much time. bin Laden had plenty of connections and a lot of money.

fife

Jeanwah wrote:

redrock wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

people are celebrating as if we "won" something.

I think the 'winning' has to do that Bin Laden was a huge chip on the shoulders of the american government(s). The might of the US and unable to catch this guy for 10 years??? All the money, all the lives lost and nothing to 'show' for it - quite humiliating really. Now that 'chip' is gone - shows how, in the end, 'we' got him and everything else is justified....

I don't know...I think it's embarrassing that it took the great and powerful U.S. 10 YEARS to capture someone that should have taken months to do, seeing that we're supposedly so beefed up military-wise... Americans should be saying "WTF did it take so long", over "Yay! we finally got 'em!"

I also believe that americans should be happy that they got a criminal.

redrock

Get_Right wrote:

At least this time ONE of the many goals was achieved, even if it was a small one. .

One goal - revenge killing of Bin Laden. Apart from some political payday for Obama, this has achieved nothing in the fight against terrorism. Though I think that Bin Laden dead was the only goal really.....

shadowcast

Parksy wrote:

I wanted to add this as well.. to those on here who are saying Osama bin Laden deserved a fair trial..

You are more than entitled to that opinion, and I respect that.

My opinion is this. He 'deserved' nothing less than painful torture. If you can suggest a living person as of two days ago more evil than him.. I'm all ears.

Taking a bullet in the head was getting off easy as far as I'm concerned.

Again, call me barbaric... but that's my opinion.

Who ever has said that he entitled to a fair trial needs to talk to a 9/11 survivor or better yet a family member. This was the right way to close Bin Laden's chapter. Could you imagine the media circus? The family members reliving the pain? I am all for assassinations. They are cheaper and far less civilians die.

VINNY GOOMBA

fife wrote:

I also believe that americans should be happy that they got a criminal.

...And that's only one criminal! Imagine how happy we would all be if we fenced off the capitol building while Congress was in session with 20 foot high fences and barbed wire!

Get_Right

Jeanwah wrote:

I don't know...I think it's embarrassing that it took the great and powerful U.S. 10 YEARS to capture someone that should have taken months to do, seeing that we're supposedly so beefed up military-wise... Americans should be saying "WTF did it take so long", over "Yay! we finally got 'em!"

We should say both.

They U.S. does not have a lot of friends in that part of the world and, for the most part, they follow international rules and respect other countries' process. I can only imagine how long it took to get Pakistan to cooperate and ultimately agree to a military operation. Id bet there was some cash involved there.

dimitrispearljam

btw this investigation in the threads about DNA is funny...
for me from the moment that the president of the USA say to the whole world Osama is dead,who the fuck can say or have the power to proove the opposite???

Get_Right

redrock wrote:

this has achieved nothing in the fight against terrorism. Though I think that Bin Laden dead was the only goal really.....

Agree.
And in defense of that objective, I would say killing OBL is probably what the people wanted more than anything else.

Parksy

dimitrispearljam wrote:

btw this investigation in the threads about DNA is funny...
for me from the moment that the president of the USA say to the whole world Osama is dead,who the fuck can say or have the power to proove the opposite???

very good point.

norm

how it went down

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54093.html

Idris

Get_Right wrote:

They U.S. does not have a lot of friends in that part of the world and, for the most part, they follow international rules and respect other countries' process. I can only imagine how long it took to get Pakistan to cooperate and ultimately agree to a military operation. Id bet there was some cash involved there.

ummm, I would say (based on facts) the US for the most part does not follow international rules/laws and really does not respect any other country. With perhaps the exception of Israel.

fife

shadowcast wrote:

Parksy wrote:

I wanted to add this as well.. to those on here who are saying Osama bin Laden deserved a fair trial..

You are more than entitled to that opinion, and I respect that.

My opinion is this. He 'deserved' nothing less than painful torture. If you can suggest a living person as of two days ago more evil than him.. I'm all ears.

Taking a bullet in the head was getting off easy as far as I'm concerned.

Again, call me barbaric... but that's my opinion.

Who ever has said that he entitled to a fair trial needs to talk to a 9/11 survivor or better yet a family member. This was the right way to close Bin Laden's chapter. Could you imagine the media circus? The family members reliving the pain? I am all for assassinations. They are cheaper and far less civilians die.

i think a fair question would have been could Osama get a fair trial? could we find 12 people to be in the jury of this case?

VINNY GOOMBA

dimitrispearljam wrote:

btw this investigation in the threads about DNA is funny...
for me from the moment that the president of the USA say to the whole world Osama is dead,who the fuck can say or have the power to proove the opposite???

The president can lie and get caught in a lie. The lie has to be about extra-marital sexual exploits, probably involving Cuban cigars, and it requires a Republican Congress.

Republican Congress? Check.

Obama and Osama going out Tomcat style after Bin Laden's death? It has yet to be reported...

fife

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

fife wrote:

I also believe that americans should be happy that they got a criminal.

...And that's only one criminal! Imagine how happy we would all be if we fenced off the capitol building while Congress was in session with 20 foot high fences and barbed wire!

eh you all voted for them. (and when i say you all i mean the American public not the member of this forum, before someone says i didn't vote for those idiots)

Byrnzie

311jj wrote:

These kill innocent people more indiscriminately than are soldiers.

I don't argue with your premise that the war effort is doing more harm than good. I'm all for pulling our troops home all over the world. But to suggest that Bush and Obama are the more evil ones is ludicrous.

An estimated 1 million civilians were killed in Iraq. The majority of these deaths were as a direct result of coalition aerial bombardments.

311jj wrote:

How many lives does our gov't save by donating billions around the world?

I doubt the number excuses all the lives snuffed out as a result of wars, the arms trade, and the West's destructive economic policies towards the third world.