I am not interested in getting into a big slanging match but when I see a topic such as Why isn't it murder, makes me question if you want it to be? or are you just questioning why it's allowed?
It then makes me wonder what it would be like if it were no longer available.
It's not right for some and that's fair enough, each to their own but when you take that option away, what will be the ramifications? More children born that are unwanted, or abused???? What kind of mental anguish would it put on someone who was raped to have to see that rapists eyes everyday when they look at that innocent child?? I do think women who keep getting them over and over however are very irresponsible an maybe there should be some type of councelling for women like that but there are cases like rape victims and medical reasons that sometimes require a little compassion when it comes to their choices. It's personal decision and just like some you know they could never go through with aborting a baby, others know they could never go through with having the baby.
Shame on you for making real-life aguments re: pro-choice!
Why isn't someone who is anti-welfare considered a murdered. They are in favor of denying food/medicine to the needy, which would cause thousands of deaths every year.
Why isn't someone who is anti-welfare considered a murdered. They are in favor of denying food/medicine to the needy, which would cause thousands of deaths every year.
Man the ridiculous comments keep coming in this thread.
Why isn't someone who is anti-welfare considered a murdered. They are in favor of denying food/medicine to the needy, which would cause thousands of deaths every year.
Man the ridiculous comments keep coming in this thread.
I think he got it from my post on the previous page. It was meant to be ridiculous.
Why isn't someone who is anti-welfare considered a murdered. They are in favor of denying food/medicine to the needy, which would cause thousands of deaths every year.
Man the ridiculous comments keep coming in this thread.
If you want to use outrages Nazi comparisons, I can play that game. You are like a Nazi because you want to force people to have babies who maybe shouldn't. Then you will never give them any sort of healthcare or food when they need it. Forcing them to die of disease and starvation much like the internment camps.
That's almost as ridiculous as your comparison.
this is essentially what i was going to say but brandon10 beat me to it...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
my conscience is my soul. when i do something 'wrong' it aches as if a little bit is being chipped off. but its like a skinks tail... it can regrow and become whole again.
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take a good look
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So if I poach a fertilized egg, will I be eating a poached egg or a poached chicken? Just wondering...
People here in Chinatown actually eat eggs with the birds fetus inside.
I shit you not.
So basically you're eating eggs with chicken. Sounds like a pretty yummy omelette to me, all natural. Well, as long as there's no beak inside the egg. I'd rather have that than any food like substance from McDonald's or Jack in the Box.
Anyway...I think this thread needs to be aborted now.
So if I poach a fertilized egg, will I be eating a poached egg or a poached chicken? Just wondering...
People here in Chinatown actually eat eggs with the birds fetus inside.
I shit you not.
So basically you're eating eggs with chicken. Sounds like a pretty yummy omelette to me, all natural. Well, as long as there's no beak inside the egg. I'd rather have that than any food like substance from McDonald's or Jack in the Box.
Anyway...I think this thread needs to be aborted now.
sadly this thread has already been born so itd be murder.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
So if I poach a fertilized egg, will I be eating a poached egg or a poached chicken? Just wondering...
People here in Chinatown actually eat eggs with the birds fetus inside.
I shit you not.
Yeah that was on the 'idiot abroad' programme....
Very off topic but i'd highly recommend the DVD. Very funny.
I watched it a few weeks ago on the recommendation of someone. It is funny. The China episode is one of the better ones, along with the Jordan and Mexico episodes.
The food in China really does suck. It's nothing like the Chinese food you get in the West. One of the first things I'm gonna do when I get back next month is have a Chinese takeaway - along with an English fried breakfast.
I watched it a few weeks ago on the recommendation of someone. It is funny. The China episode is one of the better ones, along with the Jordan and Mexico episodes.
The food in China really does suck. It's nothing like the Chinese food you get in the West. One of the first things I'm gonna do when I get back next month is have a Chinese takeaway - along with an English fried breakfast.
The china one was the first i think and none of the follow ups were as good.
agreed that Mexico was funny too....
my brother went to China on behalf of his school to study the chinese education system as part of an exchange program and came back half a stone lighter....he said the food was awful.....they even put live sea slugs on a plate as some sort of honour thing with a spike to kill it and eat it raw.....he was extremely keen not to offend the offering but despite doing his best just couldnt eat it....ended up in Mc D's whenever he could sneak there
If you want to use outrages Nazi comparisons, I can play that game. You are like a Nazi because you want to force people to have babies who maybe shouldn't. Then you will never give them any sort of healthcare or food when they need it. Forcing them to die of disease and starvation much like the internment camps.
That's almost as ridiculous as your comparison.
Who's forcing anyone to have babies? What the hell are you even talking about?
The only thing ridiculous here is your throwing out arbitrary statements.
The fact remains...Hitler labeled Jews as "non-persons" to justify butchering them. Planned Parenthood and the Pro-Choice crowd label the unborn as "a fetus" or "a tissue mass" to justify butchering them.
No, its narrow minded that you would suggest that all people who get abortions are "irresponsible". But I forgot, you suggested abstinence in another thread, so you might be the rare person who has total control of thier sex drive and can remain abstinent.. Some others do not. Do you consider using a condom responsible behavior? Or is having sex when you dont want a child ALWAYS irresponsible to you?
You can use the rare propaganda and sensationalism behind Kermit Gosnell, but it makes the rest of your arguments seem misguided. He is facing charges and commited crimes. useless to bring that up here.
oh, and also the lame 'killing babies'.. also sensationalism at its finest.
As far as the abstinence issue is concerned, I simply believe people should be able to exercise some self-control. Does anyone remember self-control? Why do we have to constantly satisfy our sexual needs? It's like sex is God in this culture and it's disgusting. In so many cases, it's unhealthy and even lethal. Why are you defending the pornification and hypersexualization of our culture? Why can't sex be put back in the bedroom where it belongs?
You're right. I shouldn't have said "killing babies." I should've said "terminating the fetus." Feel better?
No, its narrow minded that you would suggest that all people who get abortions are "irresponsible". But I forgot, you suggested abstinence in another thread, so you might be the rare person who has total control of thier sex drive and can remain abstinent.. Some others do not. Do you consider using a condom responsible behavior? Or is having sex when you dont want a child ALWAYS irresponsible to you?
You can use the rare propaganda and sensationalism behind Kermit Gosnell, but it makes the rest of your arguments seem misguided. He is facing charges and commited crimes. useless to bring that up here.
oh, and also the lame 'killing babies'.. also sensationalism at its finest.
As far as the abstinence issue is concerned, I simply believe people should be able to exercise some self-control. Does anyone remember self-control? Why do we have to constantly satisfy our sexual needs? It's like sex is God in this culture and it's disgusting. In so many cases, it's unhealthy and even lethal. Why are you defending the pornification and hypersexualization of our culture? Why can't sex be put back in the bedroom where it belongs?
You're right. I shouldn't have said "killing babies." I should've said "terminating the fetus." Feel better?
yes, that makes me feel much better, and it would've let me take you more seriously from the get-go.
As far as self control goes, everyone is obviously different, but we are coded to reproduce. In some people is is stronger than others.
On a personal note, I am a very responsible person. I hate to admit this, but I need sex. its not a matter of self control. I would be miserable withough it -- my body tells me this.. in my past I used condoms when I should have, but what if one had broken? What if the birth control my g/f told me she was taking didnt work or she missed one? am I irresponsible? its just not that cut and dry to judge and call people irresponsible so easily.
Sex is God and its disgusting? its obvious that its easier for you to abstain than most. I've had a lot of sex, and its been very health and non-lethal.
??Defending the pornification and hypersexu??.... :shock: good lord, are you serious?! It just occured to me that I'm wasting my time again.. Are you a catholic priest or something?
If you want to use outrages Nazi comparisons, I can play that game. You are like a Nazi because you want to force people to have babies who maybe shouldn't. Then you will never give them any sort of healthcare or food when they need it. Forcing them to die of disease and starvation much like the internment camps.
That's almost as ridiculous as your comparison.
Who's forcing anyone to have babies? What the hell are you even talking about?
The only thing ridiculous here is your throwing out arbitrary statements.
The fact remains...Hitler labeled Jews as "non-persons" to justify butchering them. Planned Parenthood and the Pro-Choice crowd label the unborn as "a fetus" or "a tissue mass" to justify butchering them.
What's the difference?
Science. That's the difference.
And you are suggesting that all pregnant women be forced to have babies.
No, its narrow minded that you would suggest that all people who get abortions are "irresponsible". But I forgot, you suggested abstinence in another thread, so you might be the rare person who has total control of thier sex drive and can remain abstinent.. Some others do not. Do you consider using a condom responsible behavior? Or is having sex when you dont want a child ALWAYS irresponsible to you?
You can use the rare propaganda and sensationalism behind Kermit Gosnell, but it makes the rest of your arguments seem misguided. He is facing charges and commited crimes. useless to bring that up here.
oh, and also the lame 'killing babies'.. also sensationalism at its finest.
As far as the abstinence issue is concerned, I simply believe people should be able to exercise some self-control. Does anyone remember self-control? Why do we have to constantly satisfy our sexual needs? It's like sex is God in this culture and it's disgusting.
In this culture... very convenient way to frame the debate to suit your narrow perspective. But what about all the other cultures, MANY of which allow women no choice in the matter?
AKA:
* Argumentum ad Nazium
* Reductio ad Hitlerum
Forms:
Adolf Hitler accepted idea I.
Therefore, I must be wrong.
Examples:
Hitler was in favor of euthanasia.
Therefore, euthanasia is wrong.
The Nazis favored eugenics.
Therefore, eugenics is wrong.
Counter-Examples:
Hitler was a vegetarian.
Therefore, vegetarianism is wrong.
The Nazis were conservationists.
Therefore, conservationism is wrong.
*In logic and rhetoric, a fallacy is incorrect reasoning in argumentation resulting in a misconception. By accident or design, fallacies may exploit emotional triggers in the listener or interlocutor (e.g. appeal to emotion), or take advantage of social relationships between people (e.g. argument from authority). Fallacious arguments are often structured using rhetorical patterns that obscure the logical argument, making fallacies more difficult to diagnose. Also, the components of the fallacy may be spread out over separate arguments.
"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Who's forcing anyone to have babies? What the hell are you even talking about?
The only thing ridiculous here is your throwing out arbitrary statements.
The fact remains...Hitler labeled Jews as "non-persons" to justify butchering them. Planned Parenthood and the Pro-Choice crowd label the unborn as "a fetus" or "a tissue mass" to justify butchering them.
What's the difference?
people who believe like you would be forcing people to have babies if you had your way. thank god for roe v. wade, or else women's health rights would be set back another 100 years..
and my reply to the large letter part...
you have no clue do you?
do you really feel that way?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
No, its narrow minded that you would suggest that all people who get abortions are "irresponsible". But I forgot, you suggested abstinence in another thread, so you might be the rare person who has total control of thier sex drive and can remain abstinent.. Some others do not. Do you consider using a condom responsible behavior? Or is having sex when you dont want a child ALWAYS irresponsible to you?
You can use the rare propaganda and sensationalism behind Kermit Gosnell, but it makes the rest of your arguments seem misguided. He is facing charges and commited crimes. useless to bring that up here.
oh, and also the lame 'killing babies'.. also sensationalism at its finest.
As far as the abstinence issue is concerned, I simply believe people should be able to exercise some self-control. Does anyone remember self-control? Why do we have to constantly satisfy our sexual needs? It's like sex is God in this culture and it's disgusting. In so many cases, it's unhealthy and even lethal. Why are you defending the pornification and hypersexualization of our culture? Why can't sex be put back in the bedroom where it belongs?
You're right. I shouldn't have said "killing babies." I should've said "terminating the fetus." Feel better?
yes, that makes me feel much better, and it would've let me take you more seriously from the get-go.
As far as self control goes, everyone is obviously different, but we are coded to reproduce. In some people is is stronger than others.
On a personal note, I am a very responsible person. I hate to admit this, but I need sex. its not a matter of self control. I would be miserable withough it -- my body tells me this.. in my past I used condoms when I should have, but what if one had broken? What if the birth control my g/f told me she was taking didnt work or she missed one? am I irresponsible? its just not that cut and dry to judge and call people irresponsible so easily.
Sex is God and its disgusting? its obvious that its easier for you to abstain than most. I've had a lot of sex, and its been very health and non-lethal.
??Defending the pornification and hypersexu??.... :shock: good lord, are you serious?! It just occured to me that I'm wasting my time again.. Are you a catholic priest or something?
I still think not one single person around here who always spouts off about personal sexual responsibility would ever practice what s/he preaches - which is really to NEVER have sex (even if you are married) unless you want a child at that time. I'd love to see them all go home to their spouses & tell them that sex outside of procreation is not a moral, healthy, responsible act & they will never again engage in it. But they won't, because their point is not to be responsible or save babies, but only to condemn others & deny them (especially women) their sexuality.
What's that Bill Hicks quote? Something like... Life in Lubbock, TX has taught me two things. One is that Jesus loves you & you're going to burn in Hell The other is that sex is the most awful, filthy thing on earth & you should save it for someone you love.
No, its narrow minded that you would suggest that all people who get abortions are "irresponsible". But I forgot, you suggested abstinence in another thread, so you might be the rare person who has total control of thier sex drive and can remain abstinent.. Some others do not. Do you consider using a condom responsible behavior? Or is having sex when you dont want a child ALWAYS irresponsible to you?
You can use the rare propaganda and sensationalism behind Kermit Gosnell, but it makes the rest of your arguments seem misguided. He is facing charges and commited crimes. useless to bring that up here.
oh, and also the lame 'killing babies'.. also sensationalism at its finest.
As far as the abstinence issue is concerned, I simply believe people should be able to exercise some self-control. Does anyone remember self-control? Why do we have to constantly satisfy our sexual needs? It's like sex is God in this culture and it's disgusting. In so many cases, it's unhealthy and even lethal. Why are you defending the pornification and hypersexualization of our culture? Why can't sex be put back in the bedroom where it belongs?
You're right. I shouldn't have said "killing babies." I should've said "terminating the fetus." Feel better?
Why? If I'm responsible and want to practice safe sex why shouldn't I?
On weekends I like going out, drinking, maybe smoking a bowl and listening to live music. I do well in school, life's to short not to enjoy it. Music, sex, and the occasional drink help me enjoy it!
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
As far as the abstinence issue is concerned, I simply believe people should be able to exercise some self-control. Does anyone remember self-control? Why do we have to constantly satisfy our sexual needs? It's like sex is God in this culture and it's disgusting. In so many cases, it's unhealthy and even lethal. Why are you defending the pornification and hypersexualization of our culture? Why can't sex be put back in the bedroom where it belongs?
You're right. I shouldn't have said "killing babies." I should've said "terminating the fetus." Feel better?
Why? If I'm responsible and want to practice safe sex why shouldn't I?
On weekends I like going out, drinking, maybe smoking a bowl and listening to live music. I do well in school, life's to short not to enjoy it. Music, sex, and the occasional drink help me enjoy it!
I've got the same plan my friend, I really do!
I will sign up immediately to be disgusting, unhealthy and even lethal. I am also willingly spreading the pornification and hypersexualization of our culture apparently. But I promise I will do it as responsibly as possible...
I apologise for my smartassery, but its friday and i'm ready to do bad things.
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Shame on you for making real-life aguments re: pro-choice!
Well said, Lou Lou!
Man the ridiculous comments keep coming in this thread.
I think he got it from my post on the previous page. It was meant to be ridiculous.
lighten up, Francis!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
my conscience is my soul. when i do something 'wrong' it aches as if a little bit is being chipped off. but its like a skinks tail... it can regrow and become whole again.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
People here in Chinatown actually eat eggs with the birds fetus inside.
I shit you not.
yeah... umm.. no thanks.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
So basically you're eating eggs with chicken. Sounds like a pretty yummy omelette to me, all natural. Well, as long as there's no beak inside the egg. I'd rather have that than any food like substance from McDonald's or Jack in the Box.
Anyway...I think this thread needs to be aborted now.
sadly this thread has already been born so itd be murder.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
euthanasia is murder.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
It's not considered to be murder where I come from. However, I think that would be a whole new thread. Let's not even go there
thats a TORTOISE, not a turtle.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Yeah that was on the 'idiot abroad' programme....
Very off topic but i'd highly recommend the DVD. Very funny.
I watched it a few weeks ago on the recommendation of someone. It is funny. The China episode is one of the better ones, along with the Jordan and Mexico episodes.
The food in China really does suck. It's nothing like the Chinese food you get in the West. One of the first things I'm gonna do when I get back next month is have a Chinese takeaway - along with an English fried breakfast.
miss the wink did you???
but since you brought it up.. where i live euthanasia is considered murder. its wrong that it is, imo, but its how it is.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
The china one was the first i think and none of the follow ups were as good.
agreed that Mexico was funny too....
my brother went to China on behalf of his school to study the chinese education system as part of an exchange program and came back half a stone lighter....he said the food was awful.....they even put live sea slugs on a plate as some sort of honour thing with a spike to kill it and eat it raw.....he was extremely keen not to offend the offering but despite doing his best just couldnt eat it....ended up in Mc D's whenever he could sneak there
Who's forcing anyone to have babies? What the hell are you even talking about?
The only thing ridiculous here is your throwing out arbitrary statements.
The fact remains...Hitler labeled Jews as "non-persons" to justify butchering them. Planned Parenthood and the Pro-Choice crowd label the unborn as "a fetus" or "a tissue mass" to justify butchering them.
What's the difference?
As far as the abstinence issue is concerned, I simply believe people should be able to exercise some self-control. Does anyone remember self-control? Why do we have to constantly satisfy our sexual needs? It's like sex is God in this culture and it's disgusting. In so many cases, it's unhealthy and even lethal. Why are you defending the pornification and hypersexualization of our culture? Why can't sex be put back in the bedroom where it belongs?
You're right. I shouldn't have said "killing babies." I should've said "terminating the fetus." Feel better?
yes, that makes me feel much better, and it would've let me take you more seriously from the get-go.
As far as self control goes, everyone is obviously different, but we are coded to reproduce. In some people is is stronger than others.
On a personal note, I am a very responsible person. I hate to admit this, but I need sex. its not a matter of self control. I would be miserable withough it -- my body tells me this.. in my past I used condoms when I should have, but what if one had broken? What if the birth control my g/f told me she was taking didnt work or she missed one? am I irresponsible? its just not that cut and dry to judge and call people irresponsible so easily.
Sex is God and its disgusting? its obvious that its easier for you to abstain than most. I've had a lot of sex, and its been very health and non-lethal.
??Defending the pornification and hypersexu??.... :shock: good lord, are you serious?! It just occured to me that I'm wasting my time again.. Are you a catholic priest or something?
Science. That's the difference.
And you are suggesting that all pregnant women be forced to have babies.
In this culture... very convenient way to frame the debate to suit your narrow perspective. But what about all the other cultures, MANY of which allow women no choice in the matter?
-The Hitler card
AKA:
* Argumentum ad Nazium
* Reductio ad Hitlerum
Forms:
Adolf Hitler accepted idea I.
Therefore, I must be wrong.
Examples:
Hitler was in favor of euthanasia.
Therefore, euthanasia is wrong.
The Nazis favored eugenics.
Therefore, eugenics is wrong.
Counter-Examples:
Hitler was a vegetarian.
Therefore, vegetarianism is wrong.
The Nazis were conservationists.
Therefore, conservationism is wrong.
*In logic and rhetoric, a fallacy is incorrect reasoning in argumentation resulting in a misconception. By accident or design, fallacies may exploit emotional triggers in the listener or interlocutor (e.g. appeal to emotion), or take advantage of social relationships between people (e.g. argument from authority). Fallacious arguments are often structured using rhetorical patterns that obscure the logical argument, making fallacies more difficult to diagnose. Also, the components of the fallacy may be spread out over separate arguments.
Neil deGrasse Tyson
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and my reply to the large letter part...
you have no clue do you?
do you really feel that way?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I still think not one single person around here who always spouts off about personal sexual responsibility would ever practice what s/he preaches - which is really to NEVER have sex (even if you are married) unless you want a child at that time. I'd love to see them all go home to their spouses & tell them that sex outside of procreation is not a moral, healthy, responsible act & they will never again engage in it. But they won't, because their point is not to be responsible or save babies, but only to condemn others & deny them (especially women) their sexuality.
What's that Bill Hicks quote? Something like... Life in Lubbock, TX has taught me two things. One is that Jesus loves you & you're going to burn in Hell The other is that sex is the most awful, filthy thing on earth & you should save it for someone you love.
On weekends I like going out, drinking, maybe smoking a bowl and listening to live music. I do well in school, life's to short not to enjoy it. Music, sex, and the occasional drink help me enjoy it!
I've got the same plan my friend, I really do!
I will sign up immediately to be disgusting, unhealthy and even lethal. I am also willingly spreading the pornification and hypersexualization of our culture apparently. But I promise I will do it as responsibly as possible...
I apologise for my smartassery, but its friday and i'm ready to do bad things.