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Why isn't abortion considered murder?

BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
edited March 2011 in A Moving Train
Why isn't abortion considered murder? for those of you that are pro-choice I would like you to define your logic...
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  • zarocatzarocat Posts: 1,901
    edited March 2011
    A fetus is not yet a person.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,242
    It isn't murder due to what current law dictates. As for logic, there is no logic in this debate. Each side holds a stiff line in their beliefs and will not attempt to debate with the other side. Too many hard liners involved in this debate.
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  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    zarocat wrote:
    A fetus is not yet a person.
    A human embryo is a developing human/person is it not?
  • zarocatzarocat Posts: 1,901
    HeidiJam wrote:
    zarocat wrote:
    developing human/person
    A developing person is not a person.
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  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    zarocat wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    zarocat wrote:
    developing human/person
    A developing person is not a person.
    So what is a baby?
  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    oh god... here we go.....
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  • zarocatzarocat Posts: 1,901
    HeidiJam wrote:
    So what is a baby?

    A person
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    haffajappa wrote:
    oh god... here we go.....
    That's what I'm thinking...
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,242
    Ahh, the old debate of what is a baby. One side argues life takes place as soon as intercourse is complete. The other argues it happens the millisecond after birth.

    Let the games begin!
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  • KM43590KM43590 Posts: 298
    Why even bring this up? Each side of the issue is each persons opinion, therefore it's not right or wrong, it's their CHOICE! I believe each person has the right to make up their own mind, based on their beliefs and the situation they're in. No organization, government, religion or person has the right to tell anyone else what to do with their own bodies! So there you go, that's my OPINION!!! :D
  • zarocatzarocat Posts: 1,901
    KM43590 wrote:
    Why even bring this up? Each side of the issue is each persons opinion, therefore it's not right or wrong, it's their CHOICE! I believe each person has the right to make up their own mind, based on their beliefs and the situation they're in. No organization, government, religion or person has the right to tell anyone else what to do with their own bodies! So there you go, that's my OPINION!!! :D

    I like your opinion
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  • NastasjaNastasja Posts: 9,668
    Awesome. Back to Stone Age once again.

    Can you remember your time in your mother's womb? I can't.

    Please be reminded that a woman's body is and remains her body and when she falls pregnant it should be her choice if she wants to have that child. Otherwise, she might even hate her child and I guess that won't help that baby either.

    If there is this so called pro-life attitude it means it's an anti-life attitude when it comes to the life of women.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,805
    HeidiJam wrote:
    zarocat wrote:
    A fetus is not yet a person.
    A human embryo is a developing human/person is it not?
    this has been debated to death, overkill on this board, and nobody ever says "oh my god! you know, you are right and i am wrong, thanks for making me see the light!!!"

    this is all i'm going to say.

    the egg you crack to make your breakfast is a developing chicken, no?

    the caviar some eat are developing fish, right?

    by your rationale why is that not animal cruelty?

    because they are not alive, and can not survive at that age outside of the egg, just like an embryo can not survive out of the woman's womb, therefore it is not a person.
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    KM43590 wrote:
    Why even bring this up? Each side of the issue is each persons opinion, therefore it's not right or wrong, it's their CHOICE! I believe each person has the right to make up their own mind, based on their beliefs and the situation they're in. No organization, government, religion or person has the right to tell anyone else what to do with their own bodies! So there you go, that's my OPINION!!! :D

    Well said and I agree. i would add if you eliminate "unwanted" pregnancies, you eliminate the need.
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  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Why isn't abortion considered murder?


    Simple, because you won't allow people on welfare to use your tax dollars to get an abortion. LOL give it a rest.
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    Life begins when the first cell divides... hours after procreation.

    So, why isn't contraception murder?

    and sperm has the capability to produce this life... so why don't we prosecute men who jagoff?
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  • zarocatzarocat Posts: 1,901
    he still stands wrote:
    Life begins when the first cell divides... hours after procreation.

    So, why isn't contraception murder?

    Seriously speaking, is that a joke ? You're being sarcastic, right ?
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    Jeanwah wrote:
    haffajappa wrote:
    oh god... here we go.....
    That's what I'm thinking...
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  • Lone Drawn MeteorLone Drawn Meteor Posts: 1,230
    zarocat wrote:
    he still stands wrote:
    Life begins when the first cell divides... hours after procreation.

    So, why isn't contraception murder?

    Seriously speaking, is that a joke ? You're being sarcastic, right ?

    This thread is going to spiral out of control in 3… 2…
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  • RYEzupSFRYEzupSF Posts: 6,003
    KM43590 wrote:
    Why even bring this up? Each side of the issue is each persons opinion, therefore it's not right or wrong, it's their CHOICE! I believe each person has the right to make up their own mind, based on their beliefs and the situation they're in. No organization, government, religion or person has the right to tell anyone else what to do with their own bodies! So there you go, that's my OPINION!!! :D


    Agreed. To each her own.
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    zarocat wrote:
    he still stands wrote:
    Life begins when the first cell divides... hours after procreation.

    So, why isn't contraception murder?

    Seriously speaking, is that a joke ? You're being sarcastic, right ?

    well, technically... I'm being facetious. But yes it is a joke. Scarily enough, there are plenty of religious zealots and pro-lifers who actually believe that.
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  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Why isn't abortion considered murder? for those of you that are pro-choice I would like you to define your logic...
    murder is killing another human being. when do you think it becomes a human being? the moment the egg is fertilized? would be a weird definition if so. and why the hell did you not use the search bar? this topic has been debated to death on this forum. everyone's opinion is well known. you also failed to provide any rationale to your view, probably on purpose since you likely intended on just writing something extremely provoking and basically declaring "FIGHT!" you might as well be wearing boxing gloves while typing. this is all also probably due to the fact that you're upset that people were exposing your horrible miserly and unsympathetic views in the other thread. ;)
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Well, wouldn't you call it self defense if I was forcing you to gain weight, have health problems, cause you immense amounts of pain, possibly kill you, possibly confine you to a bed for up to 9 months, forcing you to feed, clothe, house me and completely change your life...and numerous other side affects, I believe you would be justified in murdering me if it was the only way to make me stop, (see abusive husband defense) so...following that wouldn't abortion be justified murder?

    so fine, a fetus is a human, but a human that is causing damage to another that can be irreversible...seems like justifiable homicide to me.

    not sure if I described the best way possible, but I think you can get the spirit of the argument

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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Why isn't abortion considered murder? for those of you that are pro-choice I would like you to define your logic...
    ...
    If there is ONE thing you take from this... let it be this:
    Pro-Choice is NOT Pro-Abortion.
    ...
    Submit this to memory... recall it when the topic of abortion arises.
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    he still stands wrote:
    Life begins when the first cell divides... hours after procreation.

    So, why isn't contraception murder?

    and sperm has the capability to produce this life... so why don't we prosecute men who jagoff?


    :lol::lol::lol: I'M A MASS MURDERER!!!
  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    So then why do we have signs up around beaches that say "don't disturb the sea turle nest" same goes for animals going extinct?
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    HeidiJam wrote:
    So then why do we have signs up around beaches that say "don't disturb the sea turle nest" same goes for animals going extinct?

    This reminds me of an argument that Charlie Sheen would use for something.
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  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    blackredyellow wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    So then why do we have signs up around beaches that say "don't disturb the sea turle nest" same goes for animals going extinct?

    This reminds me of an argument that Charlie Sheen would use for something.
    I am just trying to figure out what we are trying to protect???
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    HeidiJam wrote:
    blackredyellow wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    So then why do we have signs up around beaches that say "don't disturb the sea turle nest" same goes for animals going extinct?

    This reminds me of an argument that Charlie Sheen would use for something.
    I am just trying to figure out what we are trying to protect???
    ...
    Sea Turtles?
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