Some say life begins at conception. Others say life begins at birth. Personally, I split the baby (pun intended) in my belief that life begins when the heart starts beating.
As you say - your belief. For you any fertilised egg that has not come to a full term pregnancy with a live birth is a lost soul. Maybe that's the way you deal with something that, at the time seemed right but now you regret. Belief doesn't really have a place in science. Morals - perhaps/yes, religious beliefs - no. For the scientific/medical world decisions cannot be made on the basis of a religious concept.
he still stands... christian holy spirit thing a ma jigger. Consciousness is very different - it's your 'definition'. I think that the christians are the only one with an 'eternal soul' (a gift of god of some kind). Certainly Buddhism doesn't have that concept. It's more the concept of consciousness - just a continuation of awareness.
I am not a religious person you confuse me with someone else.
Often people don't differentiate spiritual people from religious.
There is always a place for a heart redrock...to feel instead of think.
Perhaps not in the scientific logical world but for most people it is how we grow.
I was speaking of my beliefs not science.
Something very much related to the act of abortion, feelings, not logic as the only consideration.
My abortion has nothing to do with my belief of the soul being chosen at conception.
To deal with my abortion as you put it, I say to heal, I had to forgive myself and make peace.
Not change my belief of souls.
My words were not to start a debate it was to hopefully arouse the heart.
Something everyone can use when making choices and exploring their beliefs in life.
I'm still trying to figure out this whole "soul" thing. Is that your consciousness? Or is it like the christian Holy Spirit thing a ma jigger?
Is this the only choices
it has nothing to do with religion or consciousness if anything more with the subconscious
Your path will lead you to your answers and your beliefs may just be a bump in the road
I don't know what a "subconscious" is either... it isn't an academic or scientific term but sort of a new age or religious term that has no precise meaning as far as I can tell. I know what consciousness is... and i know what the unconscious is... but subconscious? Meaningless...
That's my problem with this whole thing about not worrying about science, the facts, learning the difference between the definition between LIFE and PERSONHOOD... WE HAVE TO CLEAN UP OUR LANGUAGE!!! You can't just say that the meaning is intrinsic or that your opinion is "common sense" if we're going to have a rational debate on... well... anything.
is there a "beating a dead horse" emoticon???
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
I'm still trying to figure out this whole "soul" thing. Is that your consciousness? Or is it like the christian Holy Spirit thing a ma jigger?
Is this the only choices
it has nothing to do with religion or consciousness if anything more with the subconscious
Your path will lead you to your answers and your beliefs may just be a bump in the road
I don't know what a "subconscious" is either... it isn't an academic or scientific term but sort of a new age or religious term that has no precise meaning as far as I can tell. I know what consciousness is... and i know what the unconscious is... but subconscious? Meaningless...
That's my problem with this whole thing about not worrying about science, the facts, learning the difference between the definition between LIFE and PERSONHOOD... WE HAVE TO CLEAN UP OUR LANGUAGE!!! You can't just say that the meaning is intrinsic or that your opinion is "common sense" if we're going to have a rational debate on... well... anything.
is there a "beating a dead horse" emoticon???
I feel the same on the beating horse thing...poor damn thing!
and my point here is a different perspective on abortion.
It is not only a logical choice for the parents involved it is also emotional.
We do feel, all of us , even the scientific world.
As I said it's not a debatable subject...one's beliefs. One's beliefs is the driving force behind abortion.
It is our personal morals, for some, religious beliefs, but not just logic.
As you say - your belief. For you any fertilised egg that has not come to a full term pregnancy with a live birth is a lost soul. Maybe that's the way you deal with something that, at the time seemed right but now you regret. Belief doesn't really have a place in science. Morals - perhaps/yes, religious beliefs - no. For the scientific/medical world decisions cannot be made on the basis of a religious concept.
he still stands... christian holy spirit thing a ma jigger. Consciousness is very different - it's your 'definition'. I think that the christians are the only one with an 'eternal soul' (a gift of god of some kind). Certainly Buddhism doesn't have that concept. It's more the concept of consciousness - just a continuation of awareness.
I am not a religious person you confuse me with someone else.
Often people don't differentiate spiritual people from religious.
There is always a place for a heart redrock...to feel instead of think.
Perhaps not in the scientific logical world but for most people it is how we grow.
I was speaking of my beliefs not science.
Something very much related to the act of abortion, feelings, not logic as the only consideration.
My abortion has nothing to do with my belief of the soul being chosen at conception.
To deal with my abortion as you put it, I say to heal, I had to forgive myself and make peace.
Not change my belief of souls.
My words were not to start a debate it was to hopefully arouse the heart.
Something everyone can use when making choices and exploring their beliefs in life.
Well... confusing spiritualism and religion, I am not. You speak of soul and soul is a religious concept. And yes, of course, there is always a place for a heart. Let's not be patronising. Also, it has been mentioned a number of times in this thread that emotions are more often than not part of the process of abortion. But, for a debate on a scientific matter, it's facts that need to be looked at, not any airy fairy concept (whatever the scientific matter may be) that one may wish to come up with.
But as said, the subject of this thread has been debated ad nauseum.
Guess he still stands can start a thread on soul/consciousness, etc. if he wishes.
As you say - your belief. For you any fertilised egg that has not come to a full term pregnancy with a live birth is a lost soul. Maybe that's the way you deal with something that, at the time seemed right but now you regret. Belief doesn't really have a place in science. Morals - perhaps/yes, religious beliefs - no. For the scientific/medical world decisions cannot be made on the basis of a religious concept.
he still stands... christian holy spirit thing a ma jigger. Consciousness is very different - it's your 'definition'. I think that the christians are the only one with an 'eternal soul' (a gift of god of some kind). Certainly Buddhism doesn't have that concept. It's more the concept of consciousness - just a continuation of awareness.
I am not a religious person you confuse me with someone else.
Often people don't differentiate spiritual people from religious.
There is always a place for a heart redrock...to feel instead of think.
Perhaps not in the scientific logical world but for most people it is how we grow.
I was speaking of my beliefs not science.
Something very much related to the act of abortion, feelings, not logic as the only consideration.
My abortion has nothing to do with my belief of the soul being chosen at conception.
To deal with my abortion as you put it, I say to heal, I had to forgive myself and make peace.
Not change my belief of souls.
My words were not to start a debate it was to hopefully arouse the heart.
Something everyone can use when making choices and exploring their beliefs in life.
Well... confusing spiritualism and religion, I am not. You speak of soul and soul is a religious concept. And yes, of course, there is always a place for a heart. Let's not be patronising. Also, it has been mentioned a number of times in this thread that emotions are more often than not part of the process of abortion. But, for a debate on a scientific matter, it's facts that need to be looked at, not any airy fairy concept (whatever the scientific matter may be) that one may wish to come up with.
But as said, the subject of this thread has been debated ad nauseum.
Guess he still stands can start a thread on soul/consciousness, etc. if he wishes.
Soul is not only a religious concept...God is not only a religious concept.
There are many who believe in God and souls but not in MAN made religions.
This thread may have gone scientific for some but that wasn't the intent of the OP
I'm pretty sure, it is how some tried to fight the thought of murder..
You say you and I were talking science..
I haven't through this thread.
In my opinion science is irrelevant in regards to abortion.
Only one's beliefs and moral fiber which for me is not a debatable subject.
If anything it is a sharing subject.
I was making a heart felt tribute to my child and my situation,
when you called me out with a logical debate. Kind of cold.
This why I mentioned a heart was needed,
not to patronize,
but to say hearts are needed as much as brains,
probably much more considering the state of our world.
And definitely needed when choosing between life and death.
As I said it's not a debatable subject...one's beliefs. One's beliefs is the driving force behind abortion.
It is our personal morals, for some, religious beliefs, but not just logic.
I definitely agree with this. And it is an emotional subject as you say... and it does come down to beliefs, morality, etc. My points previously were meant to correct statements that were false from a scientific standpoint that were made as "evidence" that abortion is murder or whatever.
For those reasons, we cannot have government get involved. It should be up to the individual.
If people want to tell us why abortions are bad (I agree that they are) that is fine... but making them "illegal" is a very very bad idea.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
Sharing of what? Opinions? Facts? Experiences? Any debate is that. Though what were Heidijam's motive starting this thread... hmmmmm......
Anyway, I'm done now. It was more interesting when the disabled turtles made an appearance.
you said this But, for a debate on a scientific matter, it's facts that need to be looked at, not any airy fairy concept (whatever the scientific matter may be) that one may wish to come up with.
Sorry sounds like you thought we were debating scientifically to me
Yes I speak of God because I believe and
Jesus I do not speak much of because I know little of him.
I speak of love far more redrock but you know this...you just choose to not hear it.
actually I read little or none from anyone, including you, sharing their experiences with abortion.
I read foolish analogies not relating to human life
I read opinions based solely on logic, almost nothing from the heart.
My only point which you fail to understand or do not want to take into consideration
is that abortion, in my opinion, is a matter of the heart.
It is based in morals and ones basic beliefs which are not debatable, only shared.
you said this But, for a debate on a scientific matter, it's facts that need to be looked at, not any airy fairy concept (whatever the scientific matter may be) that one may wish to come up with.
Sorry sounds like you thought we were debating scientifically to me
Nope - I was making a statement. Not that 'you and I' were talking science. I know you're not.
actually I read little or none from anyone, including you, sharing their experiences with abortion..
Well... maybe most people may think that a band's fan board is not really the place to 'share' those kind of things with perfect strangers. Would it have been better if all the ladies here had their good/sob story? What would it add to the debate if I said I never got pregnant unintentionally and never had an abortion (good me or I don't know what I'm talking about?), or I had one when I was 15 because I was foolish and had unprotected sex but I really regret it (awwww... poor thing), or I had one when I already had two kids because I didn't want another kid - even if I could afford it (cold bitch) or even I use abortions as contraception (I should be locked up). Would my age, education, marital situation, etc. be of importance? Would all of this make a difference in how people perceive my posts?
Whilst you put everything down to a matter of the heart, legally, it's not. Where you have the abortion, when you have it, etc. will make a difference whether you can go to jail over it or not. Your personal issues/debate/morals with having the abortion is your own and I never said it wasn't.
Now I'm REALLY done. I will not be tempted to respond to anything you may post - there's nothing to add.
you said this But, for a debate on a scientific matter, it's facts that need to be looked at, not any airy fairy concept (whatever the scientific matter may be) that one may wish to come up with.
Sorry sounds like you thought we were debating scientifically to me
Nope - I was stating a fact. Not that 'you and I' were talking science. I know you're not.
actually I read little or none from anyone, including you, sharing their experiences with abortion..
Well... maybe most people may think that a band's fan board is not really the place to 'share' those kind of things with perfect strangers. Would it have been better if all the ladies here had their good/sob story? What would it add to the debate if I said I never got pregnant unintentionally and never had an abortion because I (good me or I don't know what I'm talking about?), or I had one when I was 15 because I was foolish and had unprotected sex but I really regret it (awwww... poor thing), or I had one when I already had two kids because I didn't want another kid - even if I could afford it (cold bitch) or even I use abortions as contraception (I should be locked up). Would my age, education, marital situation, etc. be of importance? Would all of this make a difference in how people perceive my posts?
Now I'm REALLY done. I will not be tempted to respond to anything you may post - there's nothing to add.
I think I detect some patronizing redrock oops on your part
My point in sharing my story as compared to the people debating whether it is murder or not was to show the painful side of abortion. This amongst some really dumb analogies I might add. Cold logical posts that were in desperate need of seeing the heart and emotion behind the subject.
It was bringing a little heart to the subject and some rather fine points that others agreed with redrock..
if you take the time to read...
I also felt the need to say that abortion is based in beliefs this is my opinion.
Me being a perfect stranger to someone out there may help them...
I don't just think about you guys
or perhaps someone will just relate to my story,
it was important thing for me to share to get my point across, never easy but it may help someone.
It surprises me your negativity..I thought you a more positive person on sharing and helping others.
The start and end of the story was a long road
but one I learned much from
but I get why you posted that
redrock and I are both pro choice she didn't agree with my spiritual stance I guess
and I felt less logic more heart was needed in this thread
As I said it's not a debatable subject...one's beliefs. One's beliefs is the driving force behind abortion.
It is our personal morals, for some, religious beliefs, but not just logic.
I definitely agree with this. And it is an emotional subject as you say... and it does come down to beliefs, morality, etc. My points previously were meant to correct statements that were false from a scientific standpoint that were made as "evidence" that abortion is murder or whatever.
For those reasons, we cannot have government get involved. It should be up to the individual.
If people want to tell us why abortions are bad (I agree that they are) that is fine... but making them "illegal" is a very very bad idea.
Yes and I agree with you. I am pro choice...women must have the right to choose.
It should be a basic right and also available to insure a women is safe if she chooses to have an abortion.
In my opinion the reason abortion is not murder is because it is legal. Murder is an unlawful act.
But in the eyes of God it may be. This why women come to their own terms, make a decision,
form an opinion based on their moral beliefs and why I felt it really can't be debated logically.
Why isn't abortion considered murder? for those of you that are pro-choice I would like you to define your logic...
So irresponsible people can live a consequence-free lifestyle.
So narrow minded.. its just not work the time to explain to people who live their lives so perfectly.
So narrow minded to assume murder is the only solution.
I guess Planned Parenthood knows best. I mean they should, they've only racked up $20 billion dollars in the business of killing babies since Roe versus Wade.
No, you're right. People like Kermit Gosnell SHOULD be allowed to do as they wish.
I guess Planned Parenthood knows best. I mean they should, they've only racked up $20 billion dollars in the business of killing babies since Roe versus Wade.
Do you have a primary sourse for your statement, please?
I am not interested in getting into a big slanging match but when I see a topic such as Why isn't it murder, makes me question if you want it to be? or are you just questioning why it's allowed?
It then makes me wonder what it would be like if it were no longer available.
It's not right for some and that's fair enough, each to their own but when you take that option away, what will be the ramifications? More children born that are unwanted, or abused???? What kind of mental anguish would it put on someone who was raped to have to see that rapists eyes everyday when they look at that innocent child?? I do think women who keep getting them over and over however are very irresponsible an maybe there should be some type of councelling for women like that but there are cases like rape victims and medical reasons that sometimes require a little compassion when it comes to their choices. It's personal decision and just like some you know they could never go through with aborting a baby, others know they could never go through with having the baby.
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So irresponsible people can live a consequence-free lifestyle.
So narrow minded.. its just not work the time to explain to people who live their lives so perfectly.
So narrow minded to assume murder is the only solution.
I guess Planned Parenthood knows best. I mean they should, they've only racked up $20 billion dollars in the business of killing babies since Roe versus Wade.
No, you're right. People like Kermit Gosnell SHOULD be allowed to do as they wish.
Sanctity of life? Nah.
No, its narrow minded that you would suggest that all people who get abortions are "irresponsible". But I forgot, you suggested abstinence in another thread, so you might be the rare person who has total control of thier sex drive and can remain abstinent.. Some others do not. Do you consider using a condom responsible behavior? Or is having sex when you dont want a child ALWAYS irresponsible to you?
You can use the rare propaganda and sensationalism behind Kermit Gosnell, but it makes the rest of your arguments seem misguided. He is facing charges and commited crimes. useless to bring that up here.
oh, and also the lame 'killing babies'.. also sensationalism at its finest.
If you want to use outrages Nazi comparisons, I can play that game. You are like a Nazi because you want to force people to have babies who maybe shouldn't. Then you will never give them any sort of healthcare or food when they need it. Forcing them to die of disease and starvation much like the internment camps.
It then makes me wonder what it would be like if it were no longer available.
It's not right for some and that's fair enough, each to their own but when you take that option away, what will be the ramifications?
I think this is the most practical question we can ask about this issue. One thing we know from a more global perspective is that when women don't have access to safe/legal abortion services, maternal mortality increases, causing more existing children to be orphaned and less likely to survive childhood. :(
It then makes me wonder what it would be like if it were no longer available.
It's not right for some and that's fair enough, each to their own but when you take that option away, what will be the ramifications?
I think this is the most practical question we can ask about this issue. One thing we know from a more global perspective is that when women don't have access to safe/legal abortion services, maternal mortality increases, causing more existing children to be orphaned and less likely to survive childhood. :(
Good points, its sad that too many people cant see past today. There is a bigger picture!
I guess Planned Parenthood knows best... killing babies since Roe versus Wade.
Yeah because Planned Parenthood is just an abortion factory. :roll: Are you really that misinformed? They help women get birth control, provide check ups, STD screenings, help people PLAN their parenthood and more. Abortion is just one facet of the organization.
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Often people don't differentiate spiritual people from religious.
There is always a place for a heart redrock...to feel instead of think.
Perhaps not in the scientific logical world but for most people it is how we grow.
I was speaking of my beliefs not science.
Something very much related to the act of abortion, feelings, not logic as the only consideration.
My abortion has nothing to do with my belief of the soul being chosen at conception.
To deal with my abortion as you put it, I say to heal, I had to forgive myself and make peace.
Not change my belief of souls.
My words were not to start a debate it was to hopefully arouse the heart.
Something everyone can use when making choices and exploring their beliefs in life.
I don't know what a "subconscious" is either... it isn't an academic or scientific term but sort of a new age or religious term that has no precise meaning as far as I can tell. I know what consciousness is... and i know what the unconscious is... but subconscious? Meaningless...
That's my problem with this whole thing about not worrying about science, the facts, learning the difference between the definition between LIFE and PERSONHOOD... WE HAVE TO CLEAN UP OUR LANGUAGE!!! You can't just say that the meaning is intrinsic or that your opinion is "common sense" if we're going to have a rational debate on... well... anything.
is there a "beating a dead horse" emoticon???
and my point here is a different perspective on abortion.
It is not only a logical choice for the parents involved it is also emotional.
We do feel, all of us , even the scientific world.
As I said it's not a debatable subject...one's beliefs. One's beliefs is the driving force behind abortion.
It is our personal morals, for some, religious beliefs, but not just logic.
Well... confusing spiritualism and religion, I am not. You speak of soul and soul is a religious concept. And yes, of course, there is always a place for a heart. Let's not be patronising. Also, it has been mentioned a number of times in this thread that emotions are more often than not part of the process of abortion. But, for a debate on a scientific matter, it's facts that need to be looked at, not any airy fairy concept (whatever the scientific matter may be) that one may wish to come up with.
But as said, the subject of this thread has been debated ad nauseum.
Guess he still stands can start a thread on soul/consciousness, etc. if he wishes.
There are many who believe in God and souls but not in MAN made religions.
This thread may have gone scientific for some but that wasn't the intent of the OP
I'm pretty sure, it is how some tried to fight the thought of murder..
You say you and I were talking science..
I haven't through this thread.
In my opinion science is irrelevant in regards to abortion.
Only one's beliefs and moral fiber which for me is not a debatable subject.
If anything it is a sharing subject.
I was making a heart felt tribute to my child and my situation,
when you called me out with a logical debate. Kind of cold.
This why I mentioned a heart was needed,
not to patronize,
but to say hearts are needed as much as brains,
probably much more considering the state of our world.
And definitely needed when choosing between life and death.
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Really? Where?
I beg to differ here.
Sharing of what? Opinions? Facts? Experiences? Any debate is that. Though what were Heidijam's motive starting this thread... hmmmmm......
Anyway, I'm done now. It was more interesting when the disabled turtles made an appearance.
I definitely agree with this. And it is an emotional subject as you say... and it does come down to beliefs, morality, etc. My points previously were meant to correct statements that were false from a scientific standpoint that were made as "evidence" that abortion is murder or whatever.
For those reasons, we cannot have government get involved. It should be up to the individual.
If people want to tell us why abortions are bad (I agree that they are) that is fine... but making them "illegal" is a very very bad idea.
But, for a debate on a scientific matter, it's facts that need to be looked at, not any airy fairy concept (whatever the scientific matter may be) that one may wish to come up with.
Sorry sounds like you thought we were debating scientifically to me
Yes I speak of God because I believe and
Jesus I do not speak much of because I know little of him.
I speak of love far more redrock but you know this...you just choose to not hear it.
actually I read little or none from anyone, including you, sharing their experiences with abortion.
I read foolish analogies not relating to human life
I read opinions based solely on logic, almost nothing from the heart.
My only point which you fail to understand or do not want to take into consideration
is that abortion, in my opinion, is a matter of the heart.
It is based in morals and ones basic beliefs which are not debatable, only shared.
Nope - I was making a statement. Not that 'you and I' were talking science. I know you're not.
I rest my case (as they say...)
Again, patronising.
Well... maybe most people may think that a band's fan board is not really the place to 'share' those kind of things with perfect strangers. Would it have been better if all the ladies here had their good/sob story? What would it add to the debate if I said I never got pregnant unintentionally and never had an abortion (good me or I don't know what I'm talking about?), or I had one when I was 15 because I was foolish and had unprotected sex but I really regret it (awwww... poor thing), or I had one when I already had two kids because I didn't want another kid - even if I could afford it (cold bitch) or even I use abortions as contraception (I should be locked up). Would my age, education, marital situation, etc. be of importance? Would all of this make a difference in how people perceive my posts?
Whilst you put everything down to a matter of the heart, legally, it's not. Where you have the abortion, when you have it, etc. will make a difference whether you can go to jail over it or not. Your personal issues/debate/morals with having the abortion is your own and I never said it wasn't.
Now I'm REALLY done. I will not be tempted to respond to anything you may post - there's nothing to add.
I think I detect some patronizing redrock
My point in sharing my story as compared to the people debating whether it is murder or not was to show the painful side of abortion. This amongst some really dumb analogies I might add. Cold logical posts that were in desperate need of seeing the heart and emotion behind the subject.
It was bringing a little heart to the subject and some rather fine points that others agreed with redrock..
if you take the time to read...
I also felt the need to say that abortion is based in beliefs this is my opinion.
Me being a perfect stranger to someone out there may help them...
I don't just think about you guys
or perhaps someone will just relate to my story,
it was important thing for me to share to get my point across, never easy but it may help someone.
It surprises me your negativity..I thought you a more positive person on sharing and helping others.
No one is sorry.
That's the start
and the end of the story...
should be the title of this thread....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I was wrong to have an abortion
I am sorry I did
The start and end of the story was a long road
but one I learned much from
but I get why you posted that
redrock and I are both pro choice she didn't agree with my spiritual stance I guess
and I felt less logic more heart was needed in this thread
It should be a basic right and also available to insure a women is safe if she chooses to have an abortion.
In my opinion the reason abortion is not murder is because it is legal. Murder is an unlawful act.
But in the eyes of God it may be. This why women come to their own terms, make a decision,
form an opinion based on their moral beliefs and why I felt it really can't be debated logically.
So narrow minded to assume murder is the only solution.
I guess Planned Parenthood knows best. I mean they should, they've only racked up $20 billion dollars in the business of killing babies since Roe versus Wade.
No, you're right. People like Kermit Gosnell SHOULD be allowed to do as they wish.
Sanctity of life? Nah.
Justifying the murder of a class of people by categorizing them as "non-persons" has been done before. Check Nazi-Germany.
http://www.prolifephysicians.org/lifebegins.htm
Do you have a primary sourse for your statement, please?
It's because abortion is legal that most women don't have to resort to people like this.
It then makes me wonder what it would be like if it were no longer available.
It's not right for some and that's fair enough, each to their own but when you take that option away, what will be the ramifications? More children born that are unwanted, or abused???? What kind of mental anguish would it put on someone who was raped to have to see that rapists eyes everyday when they look at that innocent child?? I do think women who keep getting them over and over however are very irresponsible an maybe there should be some type of councelling for women like that but there are cases like rape victims and medical reasons that sometimes require a little compassion when it comes to their choices. It's personal decision and just like some you know they could never go through with aborting a baby, others know they could never go through with having the baby.
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No, its narrow minded that you would suggest that all people who get abortions are "irresponsible". But I forgot, you suggested abstinence in another thread, so you might be the rare person who has total control of thier sex drive and can remain abstinent.. Some others do not. Do you consider using a condom responsible behavior? Or is having sex when you dont want a child ALWAYS irresponsible to you?
You can use the rare propaganda and sensationalism behind Kermit Gosnell, but it makes the rest of your arguments seem misguided. He is facing charges and commited crimes. useless to bring that up here.
oh, and also the lame 'killing babies'.. also sensationalism at its finest.
Nazi Germany comparison?? Is that you Mr.Beck?
If you want to use outrages Nazi comparisons, I can play that game. You are like a Nazi because you want to force people to have babies who maybe shouldn't. Then you will never give them any sort of healthcare or food when they need it. Forcing them to die of disease and starvation much like the internment camps.
That's almost as ridiculous as your comparison.
I think this is the most practical question we can ask about this issue. One thing we know from a more global perspective is that when women don't have access to safe/legal abortion services, maternal mortality increases, causing more existing children to be orphaned and less likely to survive childhood. :(
Good points, its sad that too many people cant see past today. There is a bigger picture!
Yeah because Planned Parenthood is just an abortion factory. :roll: Are you really that misinformed? They help women get birth control, provide check ups, STD screenings, help people PLAN their parenthood and more. Abortion is just one facet of the organization.
Put the Glenn Beck scare tactics down and go do your own research.
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/index.htm
Abortion accounts for only 3% (THREE percent) of Planned Parenthood's services. (See page 6 of annual report at link above.)