From last night game, does anyone really believe that this team is anywhere close to a playoff team?
that was one of the worse games i Have EVER seen in my life.
I just want to see if there is a Fire Burke chant today. This team has no heart and very little talent.
I just want to see how leafs fan are going to react when Kessel decides that he doesn't want to play here in 2 years.
I thought they might have been a playoff contender. But agree this team is no where near close to being a playoff team. Burke has been there 4 years and this is the team he put together .
I always knew that this team was not a playoff team. the defense is so weak and over paid. leaf management put way to much stock in Reimer and the forwards are very small and while yes they are fast, they do not have any heart.
after the komi fight, the leafs showed no heart and no battle to try to even do something.
I always knew that this team was not a playoff team. the defense is so weak and over paid. leaf management put way to much stock in Reimer and the forwards are very small and while yes they are fast, they do not have any heart.
after the komi fight, the leafs showed no heart and no battle to try to even do something.
i disagree ... there was enough talent to make the playoffs this year ... in the end - they will miss the playoffs probably by like 4-6 pts ... that's not a lot ...
I always knew that this team was not a playoff team. the defense is so weak and over paid. leaf management put way to much stock in Reimer and the forwards are very small and while yes they are fast, they do not have any heart.
after the komi fight, the leafs showed no heart and no battle to try to even do something.
i disagree ... there was enough talent to make the playoffs this year ... in the end - they will miss the playoffs probably by like 4-6 pts ... that's not a lot ...
almost making the playoffs will not win championships...Burke is not that great of a GM...he really hasn't won anywhere...he took over the Ducks and most of the Championship pieces were in place...same as Carlyle he took over from Babcock. It shouldn't take 4 years to get into the playoffs, he has had plenty of time to turn it around...leaf fans should still be pissed that Burke traded 2 first round picks for Kessel...
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
If Leaf fans don't think turn around's quickly are possible just look at St. Louis...
no kidding ... it's all about team play and good coaching ... the leafs were out of shape and badly coached this year ... they were in the playoff picture really through talent ...
If Leaf fans don't think turn around's quickly are possible just look at St. Louis...
no kidding ... it's all about team play and good coaching ... the leafs were out of shape and badly coached this year ... they were in the playoff picture really through talent ...
I agree coaching was a huge part of their problem...but Burke stuck with Wilson...that's on Burke...I assume Burke attended many practices...did he not see that they were out of shape? he attended games...did he not see how poor defensively they are? how they lacked team work? that is all on him...he was hired to make those decisions about coaching.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I agree coaching was a huge part of their problem...but Burke stuck with Wilson...that's on Burke...I assume Burke attended many practices...did he not see that they were out of shape? he attended games...did he not see how poor defensively they are? how they lacked team work? that is all on him...he was hired to make those decisions about coaching.
yeah i agree ... but the team was in the playoff picture through most of the season ... you can't really fire a guy when he's got you into the playoffs (or at least appeared to) ...
I always knew that this team was not a playoff team. the defense is so weak and over paid. leaf management put way to much stock in Reimer and the forwards are very small and while yes they are fast, they do not have any heart.
after the komi fight, the leafs showed no heart and no battle to try to even do something.
i disagree ... there was enough talent to make the playoffs this year ... in the end - they will miss the playoffs probably by like 4-6 pts ... that's not a lot ...
4-6 points in the nhl now is actually alot considering the whole 3 point game.
as you can tell, i don't think Toronto has that much talent and if you look at the playoff teams right now who would you say has less talent than the leafs.
I agree coaching was a huge part of their problem...but Burke stuck with Wilson...that's on Burke...I assume Burke attended many practices...did he not see that they were out of shape? he attended games...did he not see how poor defensively they are? how they lacked team work? that is all on him...he was hired to make those decisions about coaching.
yeah i agree ... but the team was in the playoff picture through most of the season ... you can't really fire a guy when he's got you into the playoffs (or at least appeared to) ...
I think Burke should have fired Wilson after last season...but successful coach's sometime do get fired. I remember Detroit fired Dave Lewis after 2 48 win seasons and making the playoffs and Pittsburgh fired Michel Therrien and they were in the hunt. This year Boudreau...so there is precedent.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
4-6 points in the nhl now is actually alot considering the whole 3 point game.
as you can tell, i don't think Toronto has that much talent and if you look at the playoff teams right now who would you say has less talent than the leafs.
what do you mean by 3 point game?
i think the issue is that there is a lot of parity in the leagure right now ... there's only 11 points separating playoffs and last in the eastern conference ... it's gonna be tight and a win here or there makes all the difference ...
i believe talent is important but believe more in team play ... as well as continuity which is tied to team play ... i think the teams that are IN the playoffs have executed better as a team but that they are only a few bad games away from missing the playoffs ...
I think Burke should have fired Wilson after last season...but successful coach's sometime do get fired. I remember Detroit fired Dave Lewis after 2 48 win seasons and making the playoffs and Pittsburgh fired Michel Therrien and they were in the hunt. This year Boudreau...so there is precedent.
i agree ... but it's rare that a coach who has a decent record is gonna get fired ... the caps were struggling when they fired boudreau ... same as when any other coach gets fired ...
4-6 points in the nhl now is actually alot considering the whole 3 point game.
as you can tell, i don't think Toronto has that much talent and if you look at the playoff teams right now who would you say has less talent than the leafs.
what do you mean by 3 point game?
i think the issue is that there is a lot of parity in the leagure right now ... there's only 11 points separating playoffs and last in the eastern conference ... it's gonna be tight and a win here or there makes all the difference ...
i believe talent is important but believe more in team play ... as well as continuity which is tied to team play ... i think the teams that are IN the playoffs have executed better as a team but that they are only a few bad games away from missing the playoffs ...
this is not the old days where 11 points was not alot. 11 points now is a very large lead in points. team play is important and I agree with you on that but talent is still very much needed. You need a couple of players that can take over a game when things are not going well. Most teams have that but Toronto doesn't.
I would rank last night game to be worse than the boston game. again where is the heart of this team?
agree 100% on last nights play, I'm not one of those guys that says they should tank just to get the draft pick, but at this moment in time and after last nights game and with the lack of heart and effort they seem to be showing of late, I hope they keep losing.
Maybe we will get a good draft pick for once and I hope they don't pick that Russian kid that plays in Sarnia if they are up there high enough to get him
2005 - London
2009 - Toronto
2010 - Buffalo
2011 - Toronto 1&2
2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
2014 - Cincinnati, St. Louis, Detroit
2016 - Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Ottawa, Toronto 1 2018 - Fenway 1&2 2022 - Hamilton, Toronto 2023 - Chicago 1&2 2024 - Las Vegas 1&2
4-6 points in the nhl now is actually alot considering the whole 3 point game.
as you can tell, i don't think Toronto has that much talent and if you look at the playoff teams right now who would you say has less talent than the leafs.
what do you mean by 3 point game?
i think the issue is that there is a lot of parity in the leagure right now ... there's only 11 points separating playoffs and last in the eastern conference ... it's gonna be tight and a win here or there makes all the difference ...
i believe talent is important but believe more in team play ... as well as continuity which is tied to team play ... i think the teams that are IN the playoffs have executed better as a team but that they are only a few bad games away from missing the playoffs ...
I think that in the east, there is a huge difference between the top 4, and the rest. In the west, there are more
teams that have a good shot against stl or van. 7th or 8th was easily attainable by anyone, but ottawa, washington, buffalo, winnipeg, etc have almost no chance of getting out of the east.
well your officially out, 7 years no playoffs...Burke is doing a great job.
This has to stop, things gotta change some how..........I need to watch the Leafs in the playoffs, its been way too long :(
2005 - London
2009 - Toronto
2010 - Buffalo
2011 - Toronto 1&2
2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
2014 - Cincinnati, St. Louis, Detroit
2016 - Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Ottawa, Toronto 1 2018 - Fenway 1&2 2022 - Hamilton, Toronto 2023 - Chicago 1&2 2024 - Las Vegas 1&2
Remember the first 2 or three months of the season?
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well ... i said all along from the get go ... this team would have to scrap to get into the playoffs ... as disappointed as i am about them not making it ... i think we're moving forward and i am open to carlysle turning this around ... never liked wilson as a coach ...
2005 - London
2009 - Toronto
2010 - Buffalo
2011 - Toronto 1&2
2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
2014 - Cincinnati, St. Louis, Detroit
2016 - Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Ottawa, Toronto 1 2018 - Fenway 1&2 2022 - Hamilton, Toronto 2023 - Chicago 1&2 2024 - Las Vegas 1&2
11 straight losses at home...this team has no heart...really pathetic way to close out a season...the bright spot is you'll have a shot at the lottery pick.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Remember the first 2 or three months of the season?
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well ... i said all along from the get go ... this team would have to scrap to get into the playoffs ... as disappointed as i am about them not making it ... i think we're moving forward and i am open to carlysle turning this around ... never liked wilson as a coach ...
I think moving forward would have been closing out the season on a positive note...11 straight losses at home is just pathetic...I know you think Burke is has this team headed in the right direction...offer Jim Nill of the Red Wings the job...why not see if he's interested...they have a track record in Detroit of pretty good success...21 straight years in the playoffs.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
that pic of Carlyle in front of the golf course lay out is hilarious
1998 ~ Barrie
2003 ~ Toronto
2005 ~ London, Toronto
2006 ~ Toronto
2008 ~ Hartford, Mansfied I,
2009 ~ Toronto, Chicago I, Chicago II
2010 ~ Cleveland, Buffalo
2011 ~ Toronto I, Toronto II, Ottawa, Hamilton
2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
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I always knew that this team was not a playoff team. the defense is so weak and over paid. leaf management put way to much stock in Reimer and the forwards are very small and while yes they are fast, they do not have any heart.
after the komi fight, the leafs showed no heart and no battle to try to even do something.
i disagree ... there was enough talent to make the playoffs this year ... in the end - they will miss the playoffs probably by like 4-6 pts ... that's not a lot ...
almost making the playoffs will not win championships...Burke is not that great of a GM...he really hasn't won anywhere...he took over the Ducks and most of the Championship pieces were in place...same as Carlyle he took over from Babcock. It shouldn't take 4 years to get into the playoffs, he has had plenty of time to turn it around...leaf fans should still be pissed that Burke traded 2 first round picks for Kessel...
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-ell ... 138.column
If Leaf fans don't think turn around's quickly are possible just look at St. Louis...
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
no kidding ... it's all about team play and good coaching ... the leafs were out of shape and badly coached this year ... they were in the playoff picture really through talent ...
I agree coaching was a huge part of their problem...but Burke stuck with Wilson...that's on Burke...I assume Burke attended many practices...did he not see that they were out of shape? he attended games...did he not see how poor defensively they are? how they lacked team work? that is all on him...he was hired to make those decisions about coaching.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
yeah i agree ... but the team was in the playoff picture through most of the season ... you can't really fire a guy when he's got you into the playoffs (or at least appeared to) ...
4-6 points in the nhl now is actually alot considering the whole 3 point game.
as you can tell, i don't think Toronto has that much talent and if you look at the playoff teams right now who would you say has less talent than the leafs.
I think Burke should have fired Wilson after last season...but successful coach's sometime do get fired. I remember Detroit fired Dave Lewis after 2 48 win seasons and making the playoffs and Pittsburgh fired Michel Therrien and they were in the hunt. This year Boudreau...so there is precedent.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
what do you mean by 3 point game?
i think the issue is that there is a lot of parity in the leagure right now ... there's only 11 points separating playoffs and last in the eastern conference ... it's gonna be tight and a win here or there makes all the difference ...
i believe talent is important but believe more in team play ... as well as continuity which is tied to team play ... i think the teams that are IN the playoffs have executed better as a team but that they are only a few bad games away from missing the playoffs ...
i agree ... but it's rare that a coach who has a decent record is gonna get fired ... the caps were struggling when they fired boudreau ... same as when any other coach gets fired ...
this is not the old days where 11 points was not alot. 11 points now is a very large lead in points. team play is important and I agree with you on that but talent is still very much needed. You need a couple of players that can take over a game when things are not going well. Most teams have that but Toronto doesn't.
agree 100% on last nights play, I'm not one of those guys that says they should tank just to get the draft pick, but at this moment in time and after last nights game and with the lack of heart and effort they seem to be showing of late, I hope they keep losing.
Maybe we will get a good draft pick for once and I hope they don't pick that Russian kid that plays in Sarnia if they are up there high enough to get him
2009 - Toronto
2010 - Buffalo
2011 - Toronto 1&2
2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
2014 - Cincinnati, St. Louis, Detroit
2016 - Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Ottawa, Toronto 1
2018 - Fenway 1&2
2022 - Hamilton, Toronto
2023 - Chicago 1&2
2024 - Las Vegas 1&2
I think that in the east, there is a huge difference between the top 4, and the rest. In the west, there are more
teams that have a good shot against stl or van. 7th or 8th was easily attainable by anyone, but ottawa, washington, buffalo, winnipeg, etc have almost no chance of getting out of the east.
Games that go to a shoot-out
Winner gets the 2pts and loser gets 1pt
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"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
This has to stop, things gotta change some how..........I need to watch the Leafs in the playoffs, its been way too long :(
2009 - Toronto
2010 - Buffalo
2011 - Toronto 1&2
2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
2014 - Cincinnati, St. Louis, Detroit
2016 - Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Ottawa, Toronto 1
2018 - Fenway 1&2
2022 - Hamilton, Toronto
2023 - Chicago 1&2
2024 - Las Vegas 1&2
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well ... i said all along from the get go ... this team would have to scrap to get into the playoffs ... as disappointed as i am about them not making it ... i think we're moving forward and i am open to carlysle turning this around ... never liked wilson as a coach ...
So how much longer do you give Burke...I think 4 years is plenty of time to turn things around.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Burke will still be the GM next year. I can't say anything for after that. I don't see the leafs making the playoffs next year either.
Burke is not going to be able to get the players he needs to make a push for the playoffs.
2009 - Toronto
2010 - Buffalo
2011 - Toronto 1&2
2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
2014 - Cincinnati, St. Louis, Detroit
2016 - Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Ottawa, Toronto 1
2018 - Fenway 1&2
2022 - Hamilton, Toronto
2023 - Chicago 1&2
2024 - Las Vegas 1&2
Signing those US college players won't help them much either...Burke and Wilson should have both been shown the door.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I think moving forward would have been closing out the season on a positive note...11 straight losses at home is just pathetic...I know you think Burke is has this team headed in the right direction...offer Jim Nill of the Red Wings the job...why not see if he's interested...they have a track record in Detroit of pretty good success...21 straight years in the playoffs.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
2003 ~ Toronto
2005 ~ London, Toronto
2006 ~ Toronto
2008 ~ Hartford, Mansfied I,
2009 ~ Toronto, Chicago I, Chicago II
2010 ~ Cleveland, Buffalo
2011 ~ Toronto I, Toronto II, Ottawa, Hamilton
2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo