If you're operating under the assumption that the suicidal person is thinking clearly, then yes, there are always options. Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
Someone who commits suicide is NOT thinking rationally. It seems like an acceptable solution to them, for illogical reasons.
It really bothers me to see such harsh criticism of someone who killed himself because the extension of that is how do you feel about someone who is suicidal? Do you try to get help for them? Or do you just tell them to get a grip because it's a silly idea? Like eyed said, unless you've been there don't condemn.
I have been there as stated in my last post. yes Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. But I am sorry if you feel differently but it IS a selfish act. the individual is only thinking of themselves, how its going to make it all go away for them. NOT how its going to make their loved ones they are leaving behind feel.
I am not, nor is 81, condemning anyone or this 18 year old.
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"...And I fight back in my mind. Never lets me be right.
I got memories. I got shit so much it don't show."
I'm saddened by the death of this young man, but I a more so infuriated that there are people out there that think it's ok to humiliate and post personal pictures/films of someone without their knowledge for the sheer enjoyment of others
it's disgusting behavior and there's absolutely no excuse for it
I have been there as stated in my last post. yes Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. But I am sorry if you feel differently but it IS a selfish act. the individual is only thinking of themselves, how its going to make it all go away for them. NOT how its going to make their loved ones they are leaving behind feel.
I am not or is 81 condemning anyone or this 18 year old.
I apologize for suggesting that you don't have insight. But I don't agree that suicidal people are necessarily selfish. Their thinking is so distorted that they often truly believe that their loved ones will be better off without them. They think they are sparing their families from the burden of dealing with them. It may seem selfish to the people who are left behind but that may not be clear to the person at all.
I'm saddened by the death of this young man, but I a more so infuriated that there are people out there that think it's ok to humiliate and post personal pictures/films of someone without their knowledge for the sheer enjoyment of others
it's disgusting behavior and there's absolutely no excuse for it
Couldn't agree more. That people would think doing something like this is amusing is horrible.
I have been there as stated in my last post. yes Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. But I am sorry if you feel differently but it IS a selfish act. the individual is only thinking of themselves, how its going to make it all go away for them. NOT how its going to make their loved ones they are leaving behind feel.
I am not or is 81 condemning anyone or this 18 year old.
I've been there too and have a much different persepective. I also work with veterans, as some of you know. Some of you might also know that veteran suicide rates are at an all time high. You know what we tell those veterans who come to us for help? We say, "stop being so selfish, you bunch of assholes."
You know whose pain truly suicidal and/or homicidal people don't care about? The pain their actions might cause others. You know why? Because they cannot see past the horrific downward spiral their own thoughts have become.
Some of you have no idea just how sick and violent a person's thoughts can become. Some of you ought to pray you never understand that rather than judge those who do.
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Some of you have no idea just how sick and violent a person's thoughts can become. Some of you ought to pray you never understand that rather than judge those who do.
I apologize for suggesting that you don't have insight. But I don't agree that suicidal people are necessarily selfish. Their thinking is so distorted that they often truly believe that their loved ones will be better off without them. They think they are sparing their families from the burden of dealing with them. It may seem selfish to the people who are left behind but that may not be clear to the person at all.
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If you're operating under the assumption that the suicidal person is thinking clearly, then yes, there are always options. Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
Someone who commits suicide is NOT thinking rationally. It seems like an acceptable solution to them, for illogical reasons.
It really bothers me to see such harsh criticism of someone who killed himself because the extension of that is how do you feel about someone who is suicidal? Do you try to get help for them? Or do you just tell them to get a grip because it's a silly idea? Like eyed said, unless you've been there don't condemn.
agreed, 100%.
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It's just sad. I'd rather not debate whether it was selfish, whether it was more sad or less sad than someone being killed by a stray bullet, cause in the end it's just damn sad. Sad that his sexuality would even be something to be embarrassed about. Sad that it was used to bully him. Sad that he felt the pain of it was so overwhelming that he committed suicide. Sad for the family and friends who never got a chance to help him through this.
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I have been there as stated in my last post. yes Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. But I am sorry if you feel differently but it IS a selfish act. the individual is only thinking of themselves, how its going to make it all go away for them. NOT how its going to make their loved ones they are leaving behind feel.
I am not or is 81 condemning anyone or this 18 year old.
I've been there too and have a much different persepective. I also work with veterans, as some of you know. Some of you might also know that veteran suicide rates are at an all time high. You know what we tell those veterans who come to us for help? We say, "stop being so selfish, you bunch of assholes."
You know whose pain truly suicidal and/or homicidal people don't care about? The pain their actions might cause others. You know why? Because they cannot see past the horrific downward spiral their own thoughts have become.
Some of you have no idea just how sick and violent a person's thoughts can become. Some of you ought to pray you never understand that rather than judge those who do.
Not quite sure about what you are saying here. Are you agreeing or disagreeing? Is your first part sarcasm?
call me confused :?
"...And I fight back in my mind. Never lets me be right.
I got memories. I got shit so much it don't show."
Not quite sure about what you are saying here. Are you agreeing or disagreeing? Is your first part sarcasm?
call me confused :?
Sorry, when I lay on the sarcasm that thick I figure it will be obvious. No, we don't say that to our veterans. We understand just how quickly a mind can become scrambled and we don't judge the folks we are unable to help. We don't call them selfish when they blow their brains all over their apartment walls. It is an act of desperation, not selfishness.
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I agree with your first half. The second seemed somewhat unnecessary.
i thought it might ruffle a few feathers ... but, i'm gonna stand by it as a theory as to why someone would feel compelled to commit suicide over this incident ... as some here are thinking he was just embarassed or something like that ...
Some of you have no idea just how sick and violent a person's thoughts can become. Some of you ought to pray you never understand that rather than judge those who do.
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No, but i did get married. True just once, but it was enough.
It's just sad. I'd rather not debate whether it was selfish, whether it was more sad or less sad than someone being killed by a stray bullet, cause in the end it's just damn sad. Sad that his sexuality would even be something to be embarrassed about. Sad that it was used to bully him. Sad that he felt the pain of it was so overwhelming that he committed suicide. Sad for the family and friends who never got a chance to help him through this.
well said.
"...And I fight back in my mind. Never lets me be right.
I got memories. I got shit so much it don't show."
Part of why some people commit suicide, especially adolescents, is because they think nobody is gonna "get it." They think no one will understand why they're so overwhelmed with what they're feeling...that it will be minimized and brushed away and they'll be told they're over-reacting...kind of like what's happening on here. We don't have to understand why it was such a big deal to him that he felt there was no other way out...we just have to understand that it was. I spend 90% of my time trying to "get it." Half the battle is just validating what someone is feeling
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Tragic, and sad. As having lost a siblign to suicide, I feel for the kid in his moment of humiliation, and for his family in their time of terrible and unfortunate loss. It's a shame that the kid couldn't deal long enough to see through the bullshit...
but his roommate is an even more sad excuse for a human being. What a fuck. I seriously hope this haunts him for a very long time.
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That is so incredibly sad. No matter what punishment is handed out to the 2 involved in taping, they will have to live with what they did, for the rest of their life, and that will be their true punishment.
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why was it necessary to say it was a gay sexual encounter? seems like they're unnecessarily highlighting the very thing that led to this... being outed in such a public way would be incredibly traumatic... his family is already grieving - assuming they didn't know about his sexuality, there's no need to further complicate things
stick to the important details instead of the gossip :?
why was it necessary to say it was a gay sexual encounter? seems like they're unnecessarily highlighting the very thing that led to this... being outed in such a public way would be incredibly traumatic... his family is already grieving - assuming they didn't know about his sexuality, there's no need to further complicate things
stick to the important details instead of the gossip :?
It's hard to believe people can be so cruel.
My hope is the 2 that taped him will someday feel his pain and
his disillusionment and disappointment in the human race.
It's hard to believe people can be so cruel.
My hope is the 2 that taped him will someday feel his pain and
his disillusionment and disappointment in the human race.
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I have been there as stated in my last post. yes Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. But I am sorry if you feel differently but it IS a selfish act. the individual is only thinking of themselves, how its going to make it all go away for them. NOT how its going to make their loved ones they are leaving behind feel.
I am not, nor is 81, condemning anyone or this 18 year old.
I got memories. I got shit so much it don't show."
it's disgusting behavior and there's absolutely no excuse for it
I've been there too and have a much different persepective. I also work with veterans, as some of you know. Some of you might also know that veteran suicide rates are at an all time high. You know what we tell those veterans who come to us for help? We say, "stop being so selfish, you bunch of assholes."
You know whose pain truly suicidal and/or homicidal people don't care about? The pain their actions might cause others. You know why? Because they cannot see past the horrific downward spiral their own thoughts have become.
Some of you have no idea just how sick and violent a person's thoughts can become. Some of you ought to pray you never understand that rather than judge those who do.
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agreed, 100%.
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I agree with your first half. The second seemed somewhat unnecessary.
Not quite sure about what you are saying here. Are you agreeing or disagreeing? Is your first part sarcasm?
call me confused :?
I got memories. I got shit so much it don't show."
Sorry, when I lay on the sarcasm that thick I figure it will be obvious. No, we don't say that to our veterans. We understand just how quickly a mind can become scrambled and we don't judge the folks we are unable to help. We don't call them selfish when they blow their brains all over their apartment walls. It is an act of desperation, not selfishness.
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true fact.
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I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
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i thought it might ruffle a few feathers ... but, i'm gonna stand by it as a theory as to why someone would feel compelled to commit suicide over this incident ... as some here are thinking he was just embarassed or something like that ...
No, but i did get married. True just once, but it was enough.
See, this i understand.
well said.
I got memories. I got shit so much it don't show."
:? uhh..call me stupid as well as confused...I don't get it...
can you pm me and help me out
I got memories. I got shit so much it don't show."
I'm also saddened by the lack of compassion. No one is exempt from the human condition....feel lucky if you've never felt that desperate before.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
but his roommate is an even more sad excuse for a human being. What a fuck. I seriously hope this haunts him for a very long time.
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Heroin, the sharpies, so you don't miss the vein.
if i were bad off dying and all fuckered up
im out to lunch till the end
needle me up, boys
im out
im sorry my loved ones would have to see me like that
but i'd do it and function pretty well i think
if i didnt function well i wouldnt care anyway
besides its supposed to be a great high.
i can get into that concept as im dying from mega-cancer and agonizing pain.
organs turning to liquid on me as i lie in bed all day?
fuck off...
bang a vein
im goin home
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I am tired; my heart is
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no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
stick to the important details instead of the gossip :?
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i agree.
people can be cruel, people are cruel.
quite sad.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
My hope is the 2 that taped him will someday feel his pain and
his disillusionment and disappointment in the human race.
spread it
that's all i have,
carry on
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce