Mischief in Manhattan

gimmesometruth27

prfctlefts wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

How is that absurd ? You know I don't get it you people mostlly on the left will bend over fucking bacwards when it comes to not offending muslims,but when it comes to offending christians or jews it's open season. It really makes me sick.. It has nothing to with freedom of religion it has to do with respect for the famalies that lost loved ones on that day.. I wonder if many of you would have been ok with this a year after 911.. This mosque will attract fanatics mark my word... :(

this has EVERYTHING to do with freedom of religion. sorry man, but for most americans, the constitutionally guaranteed freedom of religion trumps every other variable or issue in this case. you are against national health insurance, yet you are all about these families that lost people on 9/11. i lost a former roommate, his dad, and their family friend. you don't see me callling for vengeance and death/war nor do you see me calling for new york to block this mosque.

why are the families that lost loved ones on 9/11 more important in your eyes than those that lost loved ones to medical conditions not covered by private insurance companies? slow painful deaths due to pre-existing conditions. families bankrupted by medical bills the same as those on 9/11 lost a bread winner..in my opinion it is the same thing. those on 9/11 were killed by religious zealots while those that died due to lack of insurance are victims of capitalists who are just as zealous about their profits as the religious zealots are about their faith...

Now you are putting words in my mouth thanks.. Can we please stay on topic ? Why do you always insist on changing the subject. For the record I have never stuck up for ins companies. Also when has anybody been ever thrown out on the street or denied medical attention ? That's bull shit and you know it. Hell there's a hospital in tennesse that is almost going bankrupt bcos they have to treat so many people due to chemical explosions from trying to cook meth. They get treated even if they don't have ins. There are dozens of programs out there to help people that need it. I think you are confusing our system with europes system..

Back to the subject.. I know what the first amenment says dude ok ? No one at least not me is denying them their frredom to worship.. It's the location and just becuase you can do something doesn't mean that you should. I am fully aware that their were muslims that died on 911 and their were also muslims dancing in the street at liberty park and thier are muslims that don't think this is a good idea. What about the families that lost people that day ? Don't they have a voice ? IMO this is very disrespectful and they the supporters of the cordoba project are the ones who are intolerant. Its funny how you guys Left prostrates itself concerning Islam, but becomes unglued when there is even a hint of Christianity in our civic life. Go figure.. :?

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i am not putting words in your mouth. i am simply taking things you have said and positions you have maintained in your posts the last year or so. you never ever answered my questions about why do you care so much about those that lost family members when many of them are ok with this mosque? they are not all vindictive like you. and YES YOU HAVE GONE ON RECORD NUMEROUS TIMES SAYING YOU ARE AGAINST "OBAMACARE" and national single payor health insurance. you have posted several links to blogs blasting it. you have said it is socialism and that the insurance companies would suffer if they were not allowed to make a profit, so please stop acting like you have never held that position. anybody that has spent more than a few hours on this forum would back me on that. also, i said that people that are dying that are uninsured are no better or no worse than those that died on 9/11. it is the same tragic thing. you take what i said and skewed it into people getting thrown out on the street for not having insurance(?????) when i said that those people that are allowed to die due to having a pre-existing condition were murdered by the insurance companies with the same zeal that the 9/11 attackers murdered those victims that day. i brought up that point because you are gung ho about being anti mosque, and you are gung ho about anti national health care. and if you want to have a debate about the constitution i will have that debate with you. pm me if you like. the FACT is you are using the constitution in cases where it suits you, and if it does not suit you you diminish the importance of that document. in this case, the constitution is clearly showing they have the right to build that center and they can put it on top of ground zero if they wanted to. so because prfectlefts is angry they have to build it x amount of blocks down the street? give me a break...

OutOfBreath

So, what do you propose be done here really?
It's private property, and they are not breaking any laws or codes.

Pass a law that says you can't build mosques where people might take offense?

What's wrong with the amount of protests here is firstly that these people and other american muslims have nothing to do with 9/11. Nothing. Zip. Nada.

Why should they be denied to build according to code on their own property with their own money in any way that doesn't make the US look like intolerant hypocrites?

And there are mosques in lower Manhattan, should they be taken down as well? How close is far enough away anyway? 10 blocks? 20? Canada?

So, what do you suppose be done about this?

Peace
Dan

blackredyellow

prfctlefts wrote:

For like the 10000th time IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FREEDOM OF RELIGION !!! It's the location.

That makes absolutely no sense... You are basically saying that you have freedom to practice any religion, but only where you approve it.

JonnyPistachio

You kinda confuse me when you say stuff like this:

prfctlefts wrote:

Also I don't base an entire religion on fanatics.

Then immediately follow with this:

prfctlefts wrote:

People who would cut your head off and not think twice about it.. And lets not forget how the women are treated in the midddle east, and let's not forget about all the mercy killings that have even happened right here in the states.

I'm not insinuating that you base an entire religion on fanatics, but you sound extremely intolerant of thier entire religion because of SOMETHING.

Let's jump to the future...Let's imagine this mosque is built and it exists for a few years. What bad is going to come out of it? Are there going to be terrorists planning attacks within its walls? A year later/after its built, will we even be concerned wit hthis mosque or the dozens of other ones in the city? I'm guessing we will forget about it... but we will always remember the victims of 9/11.

Keeping this mosque from being built won't change anything for the victims of terrorists that some people on here seem so scared of.

cajunkiwi

prfctlefts wrote:

cajunkiwi wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

How is that absurd ? You know I don't get it you people mostlly on the left will bend over fucking bacwards when it comes to not offending muslims,but when it comes to offending christians or jews it's open season. It really makes me sick.. It has nothing to with freedom of religion it has to do with respect for the famalies that lost loved ones on that day.. I wonder if many of you would have been ok with this a year after 911.. This mosque will attract fanatics mark my word... :(

The mosque will attract fanatics in the same manner that a Catholic church attracts abortion clinic bombers and pedophiles.

And what about the family members of the Muslims who died on 9/11? It wasn't just WMAs working in the World Trade Center, you know.

For the record, this is 100% about freedom of religion. I would've been fine with this a year after 9/11, and I would've been fine with it on 9/12/01 too. Why? Because I don't judge entire religions based on the whack job fringe members who align themselves with that religion. You clearly do, but you don't appear to apply that same line of thinking to other religions. Unless of course you like pedophiles, which would explain why you're not on AMT complaining about the Catholic church continuing to use Sunday School as a one-stop-shop to find little boys.

You got mad at me for calling you a hypocrite earlier, but this is EXACTLY why I called you a hypocrite. Every religion has assholes hiding in the corners, but you appear to only want to condemn one particular religion based on its assholes. Until you turn that same prejudiced eye against every religion and slander all of them based on their asshole minorities, then I'll continue to call you a hypocrite.

Do you know how ridiculous you sound ? Probably not. For like the 10000th time IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FREEDOM OF RELIGION !!! It's the location. You got that Mcfly?? Hello is anybody in there ? Also I don't base an entire religion on fanatics. and yeah i just lover pedophiles :roll: :roll: Just so you know it sickens me.. I think it's you guys on the left that are hypocrites. I'll say it again all you guys will bend over backwards when it comes to sticking up for Islam and rights for terrorist. People who would cut your head off and not think twice about it.. And lets not forget how the women are treated in the midddle east, and let's not forget about all the mercy killings that have even happened right here in the states. let's not forget about the christians and jews who are slaughtered on a regular basis just for being christian or jewish in the middle east. Let's not forget about the humanatarian workers who were just executed in Afghanastan just for having a bible with them.
What about the danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard, was burnt to death just for drawing objectionable caricatures of Mohammad and all the havoc that cuased ?

and yet you are doing the same thing you accuse me of when you say the Catholic church continuing to use Sunday School as a one-stop-shop to find little boys. So i guees you are acussing all catholic priest of beig pedophiles.


But when it comes to christians and jews fuck em who cares. Organized religion is evil..

Not to be nit-picky here or anything, but Kurt Westergaard is alive. Not dead. Was never burned. If you're going to make insane accusations, at least figure out what you're talking about first. It's hard to take your rambling seriously when you can't tell the difference between someone burned to death, and someone alive who has never been set on fire in the first place. I actually found the article you must have read referring to his death, and all I can say is that if you believe that, it explains where you're coming from with many of your views. You got that, McFly?

And, since you seem to take offense easily at people you accuse of putting words in your mouth, I'd like you to please direct me to the instance where I stuck up for terrorists? I know my memory isn't super duper awesome, but I don't remember spending too much time defending terrorists.

And I am not accusing ALL Catholic priests of being pedophiles. I am pointing out that SOME are. Actually, more to the point, I am trying to point out that condemning Muslims based on the actions of Muslim extremists is just as stupid as condemning the Catholic church based on the actions of the pedophile priests. You can't write off an entire religion based on the idiots on the fringe, and that applies to Islam as much as it does Catholicism. However, I am fast coming to realize that arguing with you is an exercise in futility - I'm attempting to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

So, I'll boil this down to one simple question:

If it's all about the location, and two blocks from Ground Zero is too close for your liking, then where would you prefer the Cordoba to be built? How far away from Ground Zero is far enough for you?

WaveCameCrashin

jesus you guys are so fucking hard headed. How mant damn times do I have to say it.. They have every right to build it there becuase our constituion protects freedom of religion.. But that doesnt mean that they should. though... Fuck !!!

inmytree

prfctlefts wrote:

jesus you guys are so fucking hard headed. How mant damn times do I have to say it.. They have every right to build it there becuase our constituion protects freedom of religion.. But that doesnt mean that they should. though... Fuck !!!

I respectfully disagree with your assertion...

OutOfBreath

prfctlefts wrote:

jesus you guys are so fucking hard headed. How mant damn times do I have to say it.. They have every right to build it there becuase our constituion protects freedom of religion.. But that doesnt mean that they should. though... Fuck !!!

Well that's alright then. All I needed to hear. Nothing to do, and nothing to demand.

However, it is still wrong to associate 9/11 with islam and muslims in general, which seems the entire basis around this "controversy".

Peace
Dan

WaveCameCrashin

cajunkiwi wrote:

Not to be nit-picky here or anything, but Kurt Westergaard is alive. Not dead. Was never burned. If you're going to make insane accusations, at least figure out what you're talking about first. It's hard to take your rambling seriously when you can't tell the difference between someone burned to death, and someone alive who has never been set on fire in the first place. I actually found the article you must have read referring to his death, and all I can say is that if you believe that, it explains where you're coming from with many of your views. You got that, McFly?

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... s-to-death

There's the link and thier are dozens of others that say the same thing... So who's wrong ??
IN an investigative report, an Arabic newspaper, published from Saudi Arabia, has claimed that Kurt Westergaard, Danish cartoonist, has died in a fire incident.
The Danish authorities are trying their best to hide his death, who have found no clue about how the fire broke out and why only the room in which blasphemer Kurt was staying had been damaged. The initial investigation shows that the cartoonist, who committed blasphemy by drawing objectionable caricatures of Prophet (Peace be Upon Him), was provided complete security, as he had received many threats from across the globe after the Muslims had been enraged due to the repeated publication of the caricatures in the European press.
In February 2008, three Arab nationals were arrested for their alleged involvement in plotting the death of Kurt. A Somali man had also tried to stab him to death but the policemen deputed at his house saved him miraculously.
It is worth recalling that the blasphemous cartoons first appeared in Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten.
The investigative report says the incident took place some days back in which Westergaard was burnt seriously and died on the spot, but the international media is completely silent about it. The report further claims that some eyewitnesses are also available to testify the happenings. The Danish authorities have so far been unable to find any hint about the cause of fire, as they had started investigations while keeping in mind some external conspiracy to kill the blasphemer.
This news was published

gimmesometruth27

prfctlefts wrote:

cajunkiwi wrote:

Not to be nit-picky here or anything, but Kurt Westergaard is alive. Not dead. Was never burned. If you're going to make insane accusations, at least figure out what you're talking about first. It's hard to take your rambling seriously when you can't tell the difference between someone burned to death, and someone alive who has never been set on fire in the first place. I actually found the article you must have read referring to his death, and all I can say is that if you believe that, it explains where you're coming from with many of your views. You got that, McFly?

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... s-to-death

There's the link and thier are dozens of others that say the same thing... So who's wrong ??
IN an investigative report, an Arabic newspaper, published from Saudi Arabia, has claimed that Kurt Westergaard, Danish cartoonist, has died in a fire incident.
The Danish authorities are trying their best to hide his death, who have found no clue about how the fire broke out and why only the room in which blasphemer Kurt was staying had been damaged. The initial investigation shows that the cartoonist, who committed blasphemy by drawing objectionable caricatures of Prophet (Peace be Upon Him), was provided complete security, as he had received many threats from across the globe after the Muslims had been enraged due to the repeated publication of the caricatures in the European press.
In February 2008, three Arab nationals were arrested for their alleged involvement in plotting the death of Kurt. A Somali man had also tried to stab him to death but the policemen deputed at his house saved him miraculously.
It is worth recalling that the blasphemous cartoons first appeared in Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten.
The investigative report says the incident took place some days back in which Westergaard was burnt seriously and died on the spot, but the international media is completely silent about it. The report further claims that some eyewitnesses are also available to testify the happenings. The Danish authorities have so far been unable to find any hint about the cause of fire, as they had started investigations while keeping in mind some external conspiracy to kill the blasphemer.
This news was published

this article reads like a transcript of a bin laden propaganda tape...

WaveCameCrashin

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i am not putting words in your mouth. i am simply taking things you have said and positions you have maintained in your posts the last year or so. you never ever answered my questions about why do you care so much about those that lost family members when many of them are ok with this mosque? they are not all vindictive like you. and YES YOU HAVE GONE ON RECORD NUMEROUS TIMES SAYING YOU ARE AGAINST "OBAMACARE" and national single payor health insurance. you have posted several links to blogs blasting it. you have said it is socialism and that the insurance companies would suffer if they were not allowed to make a profit, so please stop acting like you have never held that position. anybody that has spent more than a few hours on this forum would back me on that. also, i said that people that are dying that are uninsured are no better or no worse than those that died on 9/11. it is the same tragic thing. you take what i said and skewed it into people getting thrown out on the street for not having insurance(?????) when i said that those people that are allowed to die due to having a pre-existing condition were murdered by the insurance companies with the same zeal that the 9/11 attackers murdered those victims that day. i brought up that point because you are gung ho about being anti mosque, and you are gung ho about anti national health care. and if you want to have a debate about the constitution i will have that debate with you. pm me if you like. the FACT is you are using the constitution in cases where it suits you, and if it does not suit you you diminish the importance of that document. in this case, the constitution is clearly showing they have the right to build that center and they can put it on top of ground zero if they wanted to. so because prfectlefts is angry they have to build it x amount of blocks down the street? give me a break...

Yes.. I don't like Obama care. Maybe if you read the bill you might actually see where Im coming from. When it kicks in 5 10 years from now then you will see just how big of a disater it really is. and I don't like the other systems wheather it be single payer system or a national healthcare system.. But that doesn't mean Im a big fan of Ins companies either.. Are they flawed ? Yeah Sure they have problems.. But that doesn't mean we should destroy the best healthcare system in the world IMO.. and replace it with a gov run program. For gods sake man everything the gov touches practically they fuck up.. We could have adressed the people that need it.. This number 30 million or whatever figure it is that you guys on the left love to use,just how many of those people choose not to have INS ? There were some on the right that had some good ideas but Obama wanted nothing to do with it. Because it's not about helping people that need it for him it's about redistibuting wealth from others. Maybe one day you will finally realize that. But my guess is that you already do bcos you agree with his ideology..

As far as this whole thing with this Mosque goes.. Ill say it again Yes they have a right to build it thier. Our constituion Protects those rights.. I just don't think the location is a good Idea. Why not build it a mile away. Why there ? Shouldn't they honor the request of the famalies that don't want it their.. Don't thier voices matter ??

WaveCameCrashin

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

cajunkiwi wrote:

Not to be nit-picky here or anything, but Kurt Westergaard is alive. Not dead. Was never burned. If you're going to make insane accusations, at least figure out what you're talking about first. It's hard to take your rambling seriously when you can't tell the difference between someone burned to death, and someone alive who has never been set on fire in the first place. I actually found the article you must have read referring to his death, and all I can say is that if you believe that, it explains where you're coming from with many of your views. You got that, McFly?

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... s-to-death

There's the link and thier are dozens of others that say the same thing... So who's wrong ??
IN an investigative report, an Arabic newspaper, published from Saudi Arabia, has claimed that Kurt Westergaard, Danish cartoonist, has died in a fire incident.
The Danish authorities are trying their best to hide his death, who have found no clue about how the fire broke out and why only the room in which blasphemer Kurt was staying had been damaged. The initial investigation shows that the cartoonist, who committed blasphemy by drawing objectionable caricatures of Prophet (Peace be Upon Him), was provided complete security, as he had received many threats from across the globe after the Muslims had been enraged due to the repeated publication of the caricatures in the European press.
In February 2008, three Arab nationals were arrested for their alleged involvement in plotting the death of Kurt. A Somali man had also tried to stab him to death but the policemen deputed at his house saved him miraculously.
It is worth recalling that the blasphemous cartoons first appeared in Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten.
The investigative report says the incident took place some days back in which Westergaard was burnt seriously and died on the spot, but the international media is completely silent about it. The report further claims that some eyewitnesses are also available to testify the happenings. The Danish authorities have so far been unable to find any hint about the cause of fire, as they had started investigations while keeping in mind some external conspiracy to kill the blasphemer.
This news was published

this article reads like a transcript of a bin laden propaganda tape...

whatever man...like I said there are other links that say the guy is dead.. So just who are the intolerant ones. I think we have been more that tolerant when it comes to people of Islamic faith..

WaveCameCrashin

OutOfBreath wrote:

So, what do you propose be done here really?
It's private property, and they are not breaking any laws or codes.

Pass a law that says you can't build mosques where people might take offense?

What's wrong with the amount of protests here is firstly that these people and other american muslims have nothing to do with 9/11. Nothing. Zip. Nada.

Why should they be denied to build according to code on their own property with their own money in any way that doesn't make the US look like intolerant hypocrites?

And there are mosques in lower Manhattan, should they be taken down as well? How close is far enough away anyway? 10 blocks? 20? Canada?

So, what do you suppose be done about this?


No one is denying them anything.. People are simply saying it's not a good idea to build it so close, Yes there is something like 30 mosques in manhatten so it's not like their are a shortage of places for muslims to worship.. and no one is advocating that any Mosque should be taken Down . :roll:


Peace
Dan

gimmesometruth27

prfctlefts wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i am not putting words in your mouth. i am simply taking things you have said and positions you have maintained in your posts the last year or so. you never ever answered my questions about why do you care so much about those that lost family members when many of them are ok with this mosque? they are not all vindictive like you. and YES YOU HAVE GONE ON RECORD NUMEROUS TIMES SAYING YOU ARE AGAINST "OBAMACARE" and national single payor health insurance. you have posted several links to blogs blasting it. you have said it is socialism and that the insurance companies would suffer if they were not allowed to make a profit, so please stop acting like you have never held that position. anybody that has spent more than a few hours on this forum would back me on that. also, i said that people that are dying that are uninsured are no better or no worse than those that died on 9/11. it is the same tragic thing. you take what i said and skewed it into people getting thrown out on the street for not having insurance(?????) when i said that those people that are allowed to die due to having a pre-existing condition were murdered by the insurance companies with the same zeal that the 9/11 attackers murdered those victims that day. i brought up that point because you are gung ho about being anti mosque, and you are gung ho about anti national health care. and if you want to have a debate about the constitution i will have that debate with you. pm me if you like. the FACT is you are using the constitution in cases where it suits you, and if it does not suit you you diminish the importance of that document. in this case, the constitution is clearly showing they have the right to build that center and they can put it on top of ground zero if they wanted to. so because prfectlefts is angry they have to build it x amount of blocks down the street? give me a break...

Yes.. I don't like Obama care. Maybe if you read the bill you might actually see where Im coming from. When it kicks in 5 10 years from now then you will see just how big of a disater it really is. and I don't like the other systems wheather it be single payer system or a national healthcare system.. But that doesn't mean Im a big fan of Ins companies either.. Are they flawed ? Yeah Sure they have problems.. But that doesn't mean we should destroy the best healthcare system in the world IMO.. and replace it with a gov run program. For gods sake man everything the gov touches practically they fuck up.. We could have adressed the people that need it.. This number 30 million or whatever figure it is that you guys on the left love to use,just how many of those people choose not to have INS ? There were some on the right that had some good ideas but Obama wanted nothing to do with it. Because it's not about helping people that need it for him it's about redistibuting wealth from others. Maybe one day you will finally realize that. But my guess is that you already do bcos you agree with his ideology..

As far as this whole thing with this Mosque goes.. Ill say it again Yes they have a right to build it thier. Our constituion Protects those rights.. I just don't think the location is a good Idea. Why not build it a mile away. Why there ? Shouldn't they honor the request of the famalies that don't want it their.. Don't thier voices matter ??

a few thought on this post....

who has the best health care system in the world in your eyes????

actually it is 47 million uninsured....more people die everyday due to lack of insurance coverage than died on 9/11...why are the 9/11 victims so much more precious in your eyes?

so do you have the wealth that obama is trying to re-distribute? :roll:

why is it not a good idea? why? you have not explained it other than saying you think it is disrespectful to the families of the victims. i get that. but you have no right to tell them what to do with the land they are leasing and the building they are building. so rather than acknowledge that and move on with your life you are clinging to some bullshit excuse that it offends the families. based on those i know that lost loved ones that day that i have spoken to, myself included, i find your intolerance and your reasoning, or lack of reasoning, and emotional response very offensive. we have moved on, why can't you? stopping this mosque will not bring the dead back and building it will not tarnish their memory.

as many many posters have asked you, what in your eyes is an acceptable distance?

also, i believe you never clarified your post that triumphantangel asked you about. i and others are waiting for that as well...

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cajunkiwi

prfctlefts wrote:

cajunkiwi wrote:

Not to be nit-picky here or anything, but Kurt Westergaard is alive. Not dead. Was never burned. If you're going to make insane accusations, at least figure out what you're talking about first. It's hard to take your rambling seriously when you can't tell the difference between someone burned to death, and someone alive who has never been set on fire in the first place. I actually found the article you must have read referring to his death, and all I can say is that if you believe that, it explains where you're coming from with many of your views. You got that, McFly?

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... s-to-death

There's the link and thier are dozens of others that say the same thing... So who's wrong ??
IN an investigative report, an Arabic newspaper, published from Saudi Arabia, has claimed that Kurt Westergaard, Danish cartoonist, has died in a fire incident.
The Danish authorities are trying their best to hide his death, who have found no clue about how the fire broke out and why only the room in which blasphemer Kurt was staying had been damaged. The initial investigation shows that the cartoonist, who committed blasphemy by drawing objectionable caricatures of Prophet (Peace be Upon Him), was provided complete security, as he had received many threats from across the globe after the Muslims had been enraged due to the repeated publication of the caricatures in the European press.
In February 2008, three Arab nationals were arrested for their alleged involvement in plotting the death of Kurt. A Somali man had also tried to stab him to death but the policemen deputed at his house saved him miraculously.
It is worth recalling that the blasphemous cartoons first appeared in Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten.
The investigative report says the incident took place some days back in which Westergaard was burnt seriously and died on the spot, but the international media is completely silent about it. The report further claims that some eyewitnesses are also available to testify the happenings. The Danish authorities have so far been unable to find any hint about the cause of fire, as they had started investigations while keeping in mind some external conspiracy to kill the blasphemer.
This news was published

http://www.zimbio.com/Kurt+Westergaard/ ... urns+death
There's the full copy of the article you linked to, with the totally-unbiased-in-any-way lines:

"It is worth recalling that the blasphemous cartoons first appeared in Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten."
"The Danish authorities have so far been unable to find any hint about the cause of fire, as they had started investigations while keeping in mind some external conspiracy to kill the blasphemer."
"all of them, except Kurt, had opted to go underground to escape the public wrath after the Muslims around the world had participated in protest rallies which were attended by millions of people."
"The Saudi newspaper says the death of Kurt shows how powerful Allah Almighty is, as despite the foolproof security arrangements, none was able to save him from his tragic end."

Interestingly enough, this one article (not dozens of articles, just the same one being cut and pasted by a few blogs) does not link to the mysterious article published in "...an Arabic newspaper, published from Saudi Arabia..." - in fact it doesn't even name the newspaper in question. Shouldn't that set your bullshit detectors off? The international media isn't picking up on the story because it's not a story. Or, maybe the story is that he's now undead, because he has given interviews since his "death" where he has announced he will be publishing his memoirs later this year.

cajunkiwi

prfctlefts wrote:

jesus you guys are so fucking hard headed. How mant damn times do I have to say it.. They have every right to build it there becuase our constituion protects freedom of religion.. But that doesnt mean that they should. though... Fuck !!!

Then please answer my question. Exactly how far from Ground Zero should the mosque be? Because it seems to me that people living quite some distance from Ground Zero think mosques are being built too close to them, too:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/08/us/08mosque.html

norm

http://daryllang.com/blog/4421

cajunkiwi

prfctlefts wrote:

As far as this whole thing with this Mosque goes.. Ill say it again Yes they have a right to build it thier. Our constituion Protects those rights.. I just don't think the location is a good Idea. Why not build it a mile away. Why there ? Shouldn't they honor the request of the famalies that don't want it their.. Don't thier voices matter ??

My apologies - I didn't see that you had answered the question I asked you here.

The problem here is that nobody can agree on how far away from Ground Zero is far enough away. You said a mile away, while other people have said 10 miles away (not on this message board - that was in an interview on TV). There seems to be no consensus among the people who don't want it built there regarding the appropriate distance.

The supporters of the mosque, like myself, don't see the location as an issue. If they want it built there, I believe they should be able to build it there. What happened on 9/11 was a tragedy that was perpetrated by a fringe group of lunatic Muslims, all blindly following a colossal raving lunatic. I don't think the entire religion should be persecuted against as a result. Certainly the voices of the 9/11 victims' families matter - they're protected by the same First Amendment that protects Muslims in America, and they have a clear and obvious emotional attachment to the site.

But at the end of the day if you force the Cordoba Initiative to build elsewhere, what message are you sending? The center bills itself as "Improving Muslim-West Relations" - it's an olive branch. Beside the fact that you'd be trampling on the First Amendment, if you force the center to be built elsewhere, you're slapping away the olive branch and lowering yourself to the level of the extremists. Christians have come out in support of the center - which includes a fitness center and meeting rooms and is open to the general public - with one blogger saying "it's the neighborhood YMCA with that weird contemporary church plant meeting in the yoga room on Saturday nights. But it’s Muslim and therefore has drawn out the haters." Local rabbis have spoken out in favor of the center.

The center itself - if it lives up to its billing - seems like a great idea. One of its stated goals is to advocate for human rights, including higher standards for the treatment of women - and it also wants to raise the bar is Islamic government in Muslim-majority countries (according to its web site). That to me looks like a place that knows Islam isn't perfect, but wants to take steps to address that.

It's a shame that in the nine years since 9/11 people still haven't figured out the difference between Muslims and Muslim extremists.

cajunkiwi

norm wrote:

http://daryllang.com/blog/4421

If I had a family member who died on 9/11, I'd probably be much more offended by the last few photos in that essay than someone building a community center that included a mosque two blocks away.

What's more insulting? A community center trying to promote racial and religious tolerance, or people trying to make money off the tragedy? It seems to me the bigger insult is the people selling "FDNY" tshirts and WTC paperweights...