Mischief in Manhattan

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  • Electric_Delta
    Electric_Delta Posts: 977
    FiveB247x - I like how you quote Louis Brandeis in your signature. He was a great mind.

    Sorry for the off-topic statement...just wanted to give you props. ;)
    Bristow, VA (5/13/10)
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    I can't think of a current political "issue" that I could care less about than this one...

    The right is so against government telling people what to do, and interfering with people's lives, but for stuff like this they want the government to step in and decide what can be built where.

    My question to those against it, is what is the geographical line you'd be ok with? Two blocks is bad... what about four... what about 8... If it was 10 blocks, there would still be some idiots crying that "Them Muslims are building a mosque 10 blocks from ground zero!"
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,229
    who wants to wager that some tim mcveigh type attacks this mosque?

    i hope it doesn't happen, but there are some hateful people in this country that like to make statements with violence...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-a ... ing-update
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,853
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    who wants to wager that some tim mcveigh type attacks this mosque?

    i hope it doesn't happen, but there are some hateful people in this country that like to make statements with violence...

    Yep. So, do you not allow it to be built to protect from this risk?

    Personally, I think that is a scary slope. I guess the more I think about it, the more I think the permit should be handled like any other building permit.
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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    So funny... Burlington Coat Factory..haha
    norm wrote:
    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-august-10-2010/municipal-land-use-hearing-update
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  • Electric_Delta
    Electric_Delta Posts: 977
    cincybearcat wrote:
    I'm torn on this one.

    I can see how it could be a sign of good will to have a mosque built there...and I can see how it could be a slap in the face to some.

    It certainly could bring about discussion...and some very negative discussion as we can see here...but I guess you only really progress by throwing the stinky fish on the table and talking about it. This would certainly put a very stinky fish right in the center of a big dinner table.

    Personally if I had total control, I would not build the mosque there. I would try to build something that incorporated all religions...or no religion.

    Why not leave it vacant and treat it like the battlefields of Gettysburg? I'm insulted by the notion that anything will be built there...a mosque, a Wal-Mart, etc. In my opinion, it should be dedicated as a monument.

    Attacks of this magnitude don't occur on our soil everyday.
    Bristow, VA (5/13/10)
  • murphyJammer
    murphyJammer Posts: 120
    Once again, religion poisons everything.
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  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    blackredyellow wrote:

    The right is so against government telling people what to do, and interfering with people's lives, but for stuff like this they want the government to step in and decide what can be built where.


    exactly. I hate republicans who pose as libertarians when it is convenient for them. They don't understand that you cannot have it both ways. Either you want the government to intervene or you don't...you cannot have it do so only when it is convenient. Republicans seemingly have lost their way,
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    Why not leave it vacant and treat it like the battlefields of Gettysburg? I'm insulted by the notion that anything will be built there...a mosque, a Wal-Mart, etc. In my opinion, it should be dedicated as a monument.

    Attacks of this magnitude don't occur on our soil everyday.

    it's not actually built on ground zero ... it's like a couple of blocks away ...
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    So if we are supposed to be willing to accept other religions and their freedoms to worship can we build some cathedrals in Mecca?
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    The point is isn't to stoop down to others poor habits and bad practices, it's to be above and the best we can is by showing peace, love and tolerance through example.
    unsung wrote:
    So if we are supposed to be willing to accept other religions and their freedoms to worship can we build some cathedrals in Mecca?
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    unsung wrote:
    So if we are supposed to be willing to accept other religions and their freedoms to worship can we build some cathedrals in Mecca?

    false equivalence....
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Please explain how.
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    People in Saudia Arabia aren't trying to build a mosque here, a group that lives in the US is building a mosque in the US. Also, why do we want to project the idea of religious intolerance or even the idea that everything is tit for tat or stooping down to the other half?? Aren't we supposed to be better than that and the beacon of all these good mantras we proclaim? Just wondering because the words don't exactly match the actions or at least the one's you're proclaiming here.
    unsung wrote:
    Please explain how.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    unsung wrote:
    So if we are supposed to be willing to accept other religions and their freedoms to worship can we build some cathedrals in Mecca?
    Is New York City all of a sudden a christian city? or jewish? or is it supposed to be a representation of freedom of religion and worship? this is a horrible analogy. Saudi Arabia and subsequently the city of Mecca have overwhelming Muslim populations and it's an Islamic country and city. building a cathedral there is not useful at all. on the other hand, New York City is home to nearly a million Muslims and tons more going in and out everyday. it's usefulness is very obvious. if NYC was to purport an image of being a Christian city (so if it would prevent the building of a synagogue, hindu temple, etc, in addition to the mosque as Saudi Arabia would do in addition to a cathedral, that is one thing). however, this is clearly just targeting one group of people and thus is just a display of intolerance. nothing less. the people who are against this don't give a shit about those who died on 9/11!! they are just using this to push a political agenda and some of you idiots actually bought it! i know a kid whose dad died on 9/11, this kid is like 13 years old and guess what, he's Muslim. but does anyone give a shit about these people's opinion? no.

    and since when do those whose family died on 9/11 claim a moral high ground over anyone else? because when it comes to the ethical stance on this issue, it is completely unethical to prevent the building of a mosque anywhere. islam is not responsible for 9/11, crazy people are. I'm sick of these same people acting like they respect the religion too - just fucking admit that you're an intolerant bigot already.

    also the muslims who wrote the article are just idiots, no different than the dumb ass mexican people the neocons found to go to townhall meetings and speak out in favor of the racist arizona law. their whole argument is flawed because it's based on a stupid assumption that the mosque was built to provoke people, when it was clearly not. and no Muslim should be forced to build a church and a synagogue in addition to a mosque, just like no christian or jew should be forced to build anything other than their own house of worship.
  • mysticweed
    mysticweed Posts: 3,710
    FiveB247x wrote:
    The point is isn't to stoop down to others poor habits and bad practices, it's to be above and the best we can is by showing peace, love and tolerance through example.
    unsung wrote:
    So if we are supposed to be willing to accept other religions and their freedoms to worship can we build some cathedrals in Mecca?

    Who ARE you and what have you done with 5B
    fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    The State Department's selection of Feisal Abdul Rauf to represent the American people through this program further calls into question the administration's policy and funding priorities

    "Last year we had, you know, 52 trips that were specifically focused on promoting religious tolerance," he said.

    Crowley said the imam would not be allowed to raise funds on the trip.


    http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/08/11/us.ground.zero.mosque.imam/?hpt=T2


    This is beyond believable!
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,229
    _outlaw wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    So if we are supposed to be willing to accept other religions and their freedoms to worship can we build some cathedrals in Mecca?
    Is New York City all of a sudden a christian city? or jewish? or is it supposed to be a representation of freedom of religion and worship? this is a horrible analogy. Saudi Arabia and subsequently the city of Mecca have overwhelming Muslim populations and it's an Islamic country and city. building a cathedral there is not useful at all. on the other hand, New York City is home to nearly a million Muslims and tons more going in and out everyday. it's usefulness is very obvious. if NYC was to purport an image of being a Christian city (so if it would prevent the building of a synagogue, hindu temple, etc, in addition to the mosque as Saudi Arabia would do in addition to a cathedral, that is one thing). however, this is clearly just targeting one group of people and thus is just a display of intolerance. nothing less. the people who are against this don't give a shit about those who died on 9/11!! they are just using this to push a political agenda and some of you idiots actually bought it! i know a kid whose dad died on 9/11, this kid is like 13 years old and guess what, he's Muslim. but does anyone give a shit about these people's opinion? no.

    and since when do those whose family died on 9/11 claim a moral high ground over anyone else? because when it comes to the ethical stance on this issue, it is completely unethical to prevent the building of a mosque anywhere. islam is not responsible for 9/11, crazy people are. I'm sick of these same people acting like they respect the religion too - just fucking admit that you're an intolerant bigot already.

    also the muslims who wrote the article are just idiots, no different than the dumb ass mexican people the neocons found to go to townhall meetings and speak out in favor of the racist arizona law. their whole argument is flawed because it's based on a stupid assumption that the mosque was built to provoke people, when it was clearly not. and no Muslim should be forced to build a church and a synagogue in addition to a mosque, just like no christian or jew should be forced to build anything other than their own house of worship.
    +1


    i also think it is really funny that people that have not lost anyone they know on that terrible day seem to be the most vocal about being against the mosque....
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,853
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    blackredyellow wrote:

    The right is so against government telling people what to do, and interfering with people's lives, but for stuff like this they want the government to step in and decide what can be built where.


    exactly. I hate republicans who pose as libertarians when it is convenient for them. They don't understand that you cannot have it both ways. Either you want the government to intervene or you don't...you cannot have it do so only when it is convenient. Republicans seemingly have lost their way,


    So what is a building permit?

    See we already have the government deciding what can be built...even when you are trying to build a deck on the back of your house.
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