do you? well then i assume you are checking where ALL the funding comes from for all the Religious institutions in the area because you're not just singling out Muslims, right?
you really neeed to give your head a shake.. If it's no big deal than why wont the emam or whatever the hell he is tell anyone. Obviously he doesn't want people to know if he did he would make his records public.
Does this mean that I am right in assuming your income is illegal? If it's not, what do you have to hide. Show us your finances. What's the big deal?
If you honestly believe a politician (any of them no matter what they believe) thinks or acts like their ideology is more important than their re-election and maintaining their position of power, you are seriously insane. And last I checked our nation and constitution is founded on religious freedom. Perhaps you should read it instead of using it as more of a catch phrase or mouthpiece? And can you generalize any more about "the left" or the mb" any more.. it's pure stupidity.
and what we should be suprised by this.. :roll: :roll: give me a break. I knew sooner or later he would.. You think he cares about winning a second term ? No !! This was just a way for him to shove his idoeolgy down the throats of americans. He doesn't like this country.. When has he ever talked about the constituion or the founding fathers in a positive light ? He despises the constituion and our history just like most of the people on this mb and on the left do.
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do you? well then i assume you are checking where ALL the funding comes from for all the Religious institutions in the area because you're not just singling out Muslims, right?
you really neeed to give your head a shake.. If it's no big deal than why wont the emam or whatever the hell he is tell anyone. Obviously he doesn't want people to know if he did he would make his records public.
Does this mean that I am right in assuming your income is illegal? If it's not, what do you have to hide. Show us your finances. What's the big deal?
In this country we do not assume guilt.
but thats what youve just done by demanding he release his records. i dont see why just because the bigots are 'concerned' the man should assuage that concern. do you not think its been looked into already. do you not trust your government to make sure all the funding for this project is above board? why dont you show us your finances so we can be sure youre not contributing any money to anything related to terrorism or anything else that threatens the united states.
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i'm looking into opening a strip club next to this mosque
anyone wanna be partners with me
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i just can't wait till a terrorist uses this mosque as a backdrop for a weekly anti-american rant and praises this as a victory against america. maybe bin laden will give a statement bout this and say how it's a victory for jihad from his cave. haven't seen him in a while.
You can hand out fliers to the members of the mosque, possibly recruit some of their women.
ok, i've read this. now i'll ask you again: because of this, and anything else you've read or seen online, do you think that every single person that doesn't want that mosque built that close to ground zero is anti muslim? that's my only question.
i'll gladly answer that myself as well, but only after you clarify what you mean by anti-muslim.
no, that's ok. i don't need to know what you're answer to that question is. i just wanted to know what gimme had to say.
and if you really want to know what is meant by "anti muslim" (i really doubt you do, but whatever), you're asking the wrong person. i didn't come up with the phrase. it was something in one of gimme's articles, and i think he had used the term in a post. i could be wrong about that, though. i don't have every single one of his posts memorized.
and what we should be suprised by this.. :roll: :roll: give me a break. I knew sooner or later he would.. You think he cares about winning a second term ? No !! This was just a way for him to shove his idoeolgy down the throats of americans. He doesn't like this country.. When has he ever talked about the constituion or the founding fathers in a positive light ? He despises the constituion and our history just like most of the people on this mb and on the left do.
you my friend listen to Palin too much and are a bit out of touch with reality
you might try to say the same about me since I have a different point of view then yours however I try to stay away from the extremes, assumptions and generalizations
overall on this topic.....
it is not a good idea to start telling religious organization where they can build what, regardless of where you stand on this one
if you don't think that the US Gov is tracking where the money is coming from for this project you are wrong. We might not know but they are watching it very closely I am sure.
lastly (and this is not necessarily my point of view more of me trying to make a point) but if you wanted to watching a large population in a large US city, why not let them building a big ass community center where they will all gather and you can take attendance on their way in
I really hope this mosque/center opens now - mostly to show all these intolerant American people what things like peace and acceptance are. We really such a dim society.
you really neeed to give your head a shake.. If it's no big deal than why wont the emam or whatever the hell he is tell anyone. Obviously he doesn't want people to know if he did he would make his records public.[/quote]
Does this mean that I am right in assuming your income is illegal? If it's not, what do you have to hide. Show us your finances. What's the big deal?
In this country we do not assume guilt.[/quote]
but thats what youve just done by demanding he release his records. i dont see why just because the bigots are 'concerned' the man should assuage that concern. do you not think its been looked into already. do you not trust your government to make sure all the funding for this project is above board? why dont you show us your finances so we can be sure youre not contributing any money to anything related to terrorism or anything else that threatens the united states.[/quote]
I was obviously suggesting that sarcastially to show how absurd his comment was.
How is that absurd ? You know I don't get it you people mostlly on the left will bend over fucking bacwards when it comes to not offending muslims,but when it comes to offending christians or jews it's open season. It really makes me sick.. It has nothing to with freedom of religion it has to do with respect for the famalies that lost loved ones on that day.. I wonder if many of you would have been ok with this a year after 911.. This mosque will attract fanatics mark my word... :(
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How is that absurd ? You know I don't get it you people mostlly on the left will bend over fucking bacwards when it comes to not offending muslims,but when it comes to offending christians or jews it's open season. It really makes me sick.. It has nothing to with freedom of religion it has to do with respect for the famalies that lost loved ones on that day.. I wonder if many of you would have been ok with this a year after 911.. This mosque will attract fanatics mark my word... :(
How is that absurd ? You know I don't get it you people mostlly on the left will bend over fucking bacwards when it comes to not offending muslims,but when it comes to offending christians or jews it's open season. It really makes me sick.. It has nothing to with freedom of religion it has to do with respect for the famalies that lost loved ones on that day.. I wonder if many of you would have been ok with this a year after 911.. This mosque will attract fanatics mark my word... :(
this has EVERYTHING to do with freedom of religion. sorry man, but for most americans, the constitutionally guaranteed freedom of religion trumps every other variable or issue in this case. you are against national health insurance, yet you are all about these families that lost people on 9/11. i lost a former roommate, his dad, and their family friend. you don't see me callling for vengeance and death/war nor do you see me calling for new york to block this mosque.
why are the families that lost loved ones on 9/11 more important in your eyes than those that lost loved ones to medical conditions not covered by private insurance companies? slow painful deaths due to pre-existing conditions. families bankrupted by medical bills the same as those on 9/11 lost a bread winner..in my opinion it is the same thing. those on 9/11 were killed by religious zealots while those that died due to lack of insurance are victims of capitalists who are just as zealous about their profits as the religious zealots are about their faith...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
How is that absurd ? You know I don't get it you people mostlly on the left will bend over fucking bacwards when it comes to not offending muslims,but when it comes to offending christians or jews it's open season. It really makes me sick.. It has nothing to with freedom of religion it has to do with respect for the famalies that lost loved ones on that day.. I wonder if many of you would have been ok with this a year after 911.. This mosque will attract fanatics mark my word... :(
The mosque will attract fanatics in the same manner that a Catholic church attracts abortion clinic bombers and pedophiles.
And what about the family members of the Muslims who died on 9/11? It wasn't just WMAs working in the World Trade Center, you know.
For the record, this is 100% about freedom of religion. I would've been fine with this a year after 9/11, and I would've been fine with it on 9/12/01 too. Why? Because I don't judge entire religions based on the whack job fringe members who align themselves with that religion. You clearly do, but you don't appear to apply that same line of thinking to other religions. Unless of course you like pedophiles, which would explain why you're not on AMT complaining about the Catholic church continuing to use Sunday School as a one-stop-shop to find little boys.
You got mad at me for calling you a hypocrite earlier, but this is EXACTLY why I called you a hypocrite. Every religion has assholes hiding in the corners, but you appear to only want to condemn one particular religion based on its assholes. Until you turn that same prejudiced eye against every religion and slander all of them based on their asshole minorities, then I'll continue to call you a hypocrite.
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How is that absurd ? You know I don't get it you people mostlly on the left will bend over fucking bacwards when it comes to not offending muslims,but when it comes to offending christians or jews it's open season. It really makes me sick.. It has nothing to with freedom of religion it has to do with respect for the famalies that lost loved ones on that day.. I wonder if many of you would have been ok with this a year after 911.. This mosque will attract fanatics mark my word... :(
The mosque will attract fanatics in the same manner that a Catholic church attracts abortion clinic bombers and pedophiles.
And what about the family members of the Muslims who died on 9/11? It wasn't just WMAs working in the World Trade Center, you know.
For the record, this is 100% about freedom of religion. I would've been fine with this a year after 9/11, and I would've been fine with it on 9/12/01 too. Why? Because I don't judge entire religions based on the whack job fringe members who align themselves with that religion. You clearly do, but you don't appear to apply that same line of thinking to other religions. Unless of course you like pedophiles, which would explain why you're not on AMT complaining about the Catholic church continuing to use Sunday School as a one-stop-shop to find little boys.
You got mad at me for calling you a hypocrite earlier, but this is EXACTLY why I called you a hypocrite. Every religion has assholes hiding in the corners, but you appear to only want to condemn one particular religion based on its assholes. Until you turn that same prejudiced eye against every religion and slander all of them based on their asshole minorities, then I'll continue to call you a hypocrite.
"It really makes me sick.. It has nothing to with freedom of religion it has to do with respect for the famalies that lost loved ones on that day.."
hey lefty,
i think you should be more upset with cheney & bush than with a muslim Y.M.C.A. as far as respecting the lost ones
and cajun nailed it
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How is that absurd ? You know I don't get it you people mostlly on the left will bend over fucking bacwards when it comes to not offending muslims,but when it comes to offending christians or jews it's open season. It really makes me sick.. It has nothing to with freedom of religion it has to do with respect for the famalies that lost loved ones on that day.. I wonder if many of you would have been ok with this a year after 911.. This mosque will attract fanatics mark my word... :(
this has EVERYTHING to do with freedom of religion. sorry man, but for most americans, the constitutionally guaranteed freedom of religion trumps every other variable or issue in this case. you are against national health insurance, yet you are all about these families that lost people on 9/11. i lost a former roommate, his dad, and their family friend. you don't see me callling for vengeance and death/war nor do you see me calling for new york to block this mosque.
why are the families that lost loved ones on 9/11 more important in your eyes than those that lost loved ones to medical conditions not covered by private insurance companies? slow painful deaths due to pre-existing conditions. families bankrupted by medical bills the same as those on 9/11 lost a bread winner..in my opinion it is the same thing. those on 9/11 were killed by religious zealots while those that died due to lack of insurance are victims of capitalists who are just as zealous about their profits as the religious zealots are about their faith...
Now you are putting words in my mouth thanks.. Can we please stay on topic ? Why do you always insist on changing the subject. For the record I have never stuck up for ins companies. Also when has anybody been ever thrown out on the street or denied medical attention ? That's bull shit and you know it. Hell there's a hospital in tennesse that is almost going bankrupt bcos they have to treat so many people due to chemical explosions from trying to cook meth. They get treated even if they don't have ins. There are dozens of programs out there to help people that need it. I think you are confusing our system with europes system..
Back to the subject.. I know what the first amenment says dude ok ? No one at least not me is denying them their frredom to worship.. It's the location and just becuase you can do something doesn't mean that you should. I am fully aware that their were muslims that died on 911 and their were also muslims dancing in the street at liberty park and thier are muslims that don't think this is a good idea. What about the families that lost people that day ? Don't they have a voice ? IMO this is very disrespectful and they the supporters of the cordoba project are the ones who are intolerant. Its funny how you guys Left prostrates itself concerning Islam, but becomes unglued when there is even a hint of Christianity in our civic life. Go figure.. :?
http://instruct.westvalley.edu/faulstic ... ut.pdfBurn victims like Houchens are increasingly popping up in hospitals
across the country. In Tennessee, meth‑lab seizures have skyrocketed, from 226 in 2000 to 942 in 2004, according to the Drug Enforcement Administration. When labs explode, they not only kill and maim the cooks; they wreak financial
havoc on the facilities that treat them, since the vast majority of meth victims lack health insurance. Meth patients’ treatment is expensive -- $10,000 per day on average at Vanderbilt. But the hospital can at best recover about 30 percent of that from the state Medicaid program, which is already
overextended. In Houchens’s case, his hospital charges totaled more than $553,000, only $110,000 of which was recovered from Kentucky Medicaid. As many as a third of Vanderbilt’s burn cases at a given time in the past year have been meth‑related.
How is that absurd ? You know I don't get it you people mostlly on the left will bend over fucking bacwards when it comes to not offending muslims,but when it comes to offending christians or jews it's open season. It really makes me sick.. It has nothing to with freedom of religion it has to do with respect for the famalies that lost loved ones on that day.. I wonder if many of you would have been ok with this a year after 911.. This mosque will attract fanatics mark my word... :(
The mosque will attract fanatics in the same manner that a Catholic church attracts abortion clinic bombers and pedophiles.
And what about the family members of the Muslims who died on 9/11? It wasn't just WMAs working in the World Trade Center, you know.
For the record, this is 100% about freedom of religion. I would've been fine with this a year after 9/11, and I would've been fine with it on 9/12/01 too. Why? Because I don't judge entire religions based on the whack job fringe members who align themselves with that religion. You clearly do, but you don't appear to apply that same line of thinking to other religions. Unless of course you like pedophiles, which would explain why you're not on AMT complaining about the Catholic church continuing to use Sunday School as a one-stop-shop to find little boys.
You got mad at me for calling you a hypocrite earlier, but this is EXACTLY why I called you a hypocrite. Every religion has assholes hiding in the corners, but you appear to only want to condemn one particular religion based on its assholes. Until you turn that same prejudiced eye against every religion and slander all of them based on their asshole minorities, then I'll continue to call you a hypocrite.
Do you know how ridiculous you sound ? Probably not. For like the 10000th time IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FREEDOM OF RELIGION !!! It's the location. You got that Mcfly?? Hello is anybody in there ? Also I don't base an entire religion on fanatics. and yeah i just lover pedophiles :roll: :roll: Just so you know it sickens me.. I think it's you guys on the left that are hypocrites. I'll say it again all you guys will bend over backwards when it comes to sticking up for Islam and rights for terrorist. People who would cut your head off and not think twice about it.. And lets not forget how the women are treated in the midddle east, and let's not forget about all the mercy killings that have even happened right here in the states. let's not forget about the christians and jews who are slaughtered on a regular basis just for being christian or jewish in the middle east. Let's not forget about the humanatarian workers who were just executed in Afghanastan just for having a bible with them.
What about the danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard, was burnt to death just for drawing objectionable caricatures of Mohammad and all the havoc that cuased ?
and yet you are doing the same thing you accuse me of when you say the Catholic church continuing to use Sunday School as a one-stop-shop to find little boys. So i guees you are acussing all catholic priest of beig pedophiles.
But when it comes to christians and jews fuck em who cares. Organized religion is evil..
How is that absurd ? You know I don't get it you people mostlly on the left will bend over fucking bacwards when it comes to not offending muslims,but when it comes to offending christians or jews it's open season. It really makes me sick.. It has nothing to with freedom of religion it has to do with respect for the famalies that lost loved ones on that day.. I wonder if many of you would have been ok with this a year after 911.. This mosque will attract fanatics mark my word... :(
this has EVERYTHING to do with freedom of religion. sorry man, but for most americans, the constitutionally guaranteed freedom of religion trumps every other variable or issue in this case. you are against national health insurance, yet you are all about these families that lost people on 9/11. i lost a former roommate, his dad, and their family friend. you don't see me callling for vengeance and death/war nor do you see me calling for new york to block this mosque.
why are the families that lost loved ones on 9/11 more important in your eyes than those that lost loved ones to medical conditions not covered by private insurance companies? slow painful deaths due to pre-existing conditions. families bankrupted by medical bills the same as those on 9/11 lost a bread winner..in my opinion it is the same thing. those on 9/11 were killed by religious zealots while those that died due to lack of insurance are victims of capitalists who are just as zealous about their profits as the religious zealots are about their faith...
Now you are putting words in my mouth thanks.. Can we please stay on topic ? Why do you always insist on changing the subject. For the record I have never stuck up for ins companies. Also when has anybody been ever thrown out on the street or denied medical attention ? That's bull shit and you know it. Hell there's a hospital in tennesse that is almost going bankrupt bcos they have to treat so many people due to chemical explosions from trying to cook meth. They get treated even if they don't have ins. There are dozens of programs out there to help people that need it. I think you are confusing our system with europes system..
Back to the subject.. I know what the first amenment says dude ok ? No one at least not me is denying them their frredom to worship.. It's the location and just becuase you can do something doesn't mean that you should. I am fully aware that their were muslims that died on 911 and their were also muslims dancing in the street at liberty park and thier are muslims that don't think this is a good idea. What about the families that lost people that day ? Don't they have a voice ? IMO this is very disrespectful and they the supporters of the cordoba project are the ones who are intolerant. Its funny how you guys Left prostrates itself concerning Islam, but becomes unglued when there is even a hint of Christianity in our civic life. Go figure.. :?
http://instruct.westvalley.edu/faulstic ... ut.pdfBurn victims like Houchens are increasingly popping up in hospitals
across the country. In Tennessee, meth‑lab seizures have skyrocketed, from 226 in 2000 to 942 in 2004, according to the Drug Enforcement Administration. When labs explode, they not only kill and maim the cooks; they wreak financial
havoc on the facilities that treat them, since the vast majority of meth victims lack health insurance. Meth patients’ treatment is expensive -- $10,000 per day on average at Vanderbilt. But the hospital can at best recover about 30 percent of that from the state Medicaid program, which is already
overextended. In Houchens’s case, his hospital charges totaled more than $553,000, only $110,000 of which was recovered from Kentucky Medicaid. As many as a third of Vanderbilt’s burn cases at a given time in the past year have been meth‑related.
i am not putting words in your mouth. i am simply taking things you have said and positions you have maintained in your posts the last year or so. you never ever answered my questions about why do you care so much about those that lost family members when many of them are ok with this mosque? they are not all vindictive like you. and YES YOU HAVE GONE ON RECORD NUMEROUS TIMES SAYING YOU ARE AGAINST "OBAMACARE" and national single payor health insurance. you have posted several links to blogs blasting it. you have said it is socialism and that the insurance companies would suffer if they were not allowed to make a profit, so please stop acting like you have never held that position. anybody that has spent more than a few hours on this forum would back me on that. also, i said that people that are dying that are uninsured are no better or no worse than those that died on 9/11. it is the same tragic thing. you take what i said and skewed it into people getting thrown out on the street for not having insurance(?????) when i said that those people that are allowed to die due to having a pre-existing condition were murdered by the insurance companies with the same zeal that the 9/11 attackers murdered those victims that day. i brought up that point because you are gung ho about being anti mosque, and you are gung ho about anti national health care. and if you want to have a debate about the constitution i will have that debate with you. pm me if you like. the FACT is you are using the constitution in cases where it suits you, and if it does not suit you you diminish the importance of that document. in this case, the constitution is clearly showing they have the right to build that center and they can put it on top of ground zero if they wanted to. so because prfectlefts is angry they have to build it x amount of blocks down the street? give me a break...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
So, what do you propose be done here really?
It's private property, and they are not breaking any laws or codes.
Pass a law that says you can't build mosques where people might take offense?
What's wrong with the amount of protests here is firstly that these people and other american muslims have nothing to do with 9/11. Nothing. Zip. Nada.
Why should they be denied to build according to code on their own property with their own money in any way that doesn't make the US look like intolerant hypocrites?
And there are mosques in lower Manhattan, should they be taken down as well? How close is far enough away anyway? 10 blocks? 20? Canada?
So, what do you suppose be done about this?
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For like the 10000th time IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FREEDOM OF RELIGION !!! It's the location.
That makes absolutely no sense... You are basically saying that you have freedom to practice any religion, but only where you approve it.
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People who would cut your head off and not think twice about it.. And lets not forget how the women are treated in the midddle east, and let's not forget about all the mercy killings that have even happened right here in the states.
I'm not insinuating that you base an entire religion on fanatics, but you sound extremely intolerant of thier entire religion because of SOMETHING.
Let's jump to the future...Let's imagine this mosque is built and it exists for a few years. What bad is going to come out of it? Are there going to be terrorists planning attacks within its walls? A year later/after its built, will we even be concerned wit hthis mosque or the dozens of other ones in the city? I'm guessing we will forget about it... but we will always remember the victims of 9/11.
Keeping this mosque from being built won't change anything for the victims of terrorists that some people on here seem so scared of.
How is that absurd ? You know I don't get it you people mostlly on the left will bend over fucking bacwards when it comes to not offending muslims,but when it comes to offending christians or jews it's open season. It really makes me sick.. It has nothing to with freedom of religion it has to do with respect for the famalies that lost loved ones on that day.. I wonder if many of you would have been ok with this a year after 911.. This mosque will attract fanatics mark my word... :(
The mosque will attract fanatics in the same manner that a Catholic church attracts abortion clinic bombers and pedophiles.
And what about the family members of the Muslims who died on 9/11? It wasn't just WMAs working in the World Trade Center, you know.
For the record, this is 100% about freedom of religion. I would've been fine with this a year after 9/11, and I would've been fine with it on 9/12/01 too. Why? Because I don't judge entire religions based on the whack job fringe members who align themselves with that religion. You clearly do, but you don't appear to apply that same line of thinking to other religions. Unless of course you like pedophiles, which would explain why you're not on AMT complaining about the Catholic church continuing to use Sunday School as a one-stop-shop to find little boys.
You got mad at me for calling you a hypocrite earlier, but this is EXACTLY why I called you a hypocrite. Every religion has assholes hiding in the corners, but you appear to only want to condemn one particular religion based on its assholes. Until you turn that same prejudiced eye against every religion and slander all of them based on their asshole minorities, then I'll continue to call you a hypocrite.
Do you know how ridiculous you sound ? Probably not. For like the 10000th time IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FREEDOM OF RELIGION !!! It's the location. You got that Mcfly?? Hello is anybody in there ? Also I don't base an entire religion on fanatics. and yeah i just lover pedophiles :roll: :roll: Just so you know it sickens me.. I think it's you guys on the left that are hypocrites. I'll say it again all you guys will bend over backwards when it comes to sticking up for Islam and rights for terrorist. People who would cut your head off and not think twice about it.. And lets not forget how the women are treated in the midddle east, and let's not forget about all the mercy killings that have even happened right here in the states. let's not forget about the christians and jews who are slaughtered on a regular basis just for being christian or jewish in the middle east. Let's not forget about the humanatarian workers who were just executed in Afghanastan just for having a bible with them.
What about the danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard, was burnt to death just for drawing objectionable caricatures of Mohammad and all the havoc that cuased ?
and yet you are doing the same thing you accuse me of when you say the Catholic church continuing to use Sunday School as a one-stop-shop to find little boys. So i guees you are acussing all catholic priest of beig pedophiles.
But when it comes to christians and jews fuck em who cares. Organized religion is evil..
Not to be nit-picky here or anything, but Kurt Westergaard is alive. Not dead. Was never burned. If you're going to make insane accusations, at least figure out what you're talking about first. It's hard to take your rambling seriously when you can't tell the difference between someone burned to death, and someone alive who has never been set on fire in the first place. I actually found the article you must have read referring to his death, and all I can say is that if you believe that, it explains where you're coming from with many of your views. You got that, McFly?
And, since you seem to take offense easily at people you accuse of putting words in your mouth, I'd like you to please direct me to the instance where I stuck up for terrorists? I know my memory isn't super duper awesome, but I don't remember spending too much time defending terrorists.
And I am not accusing ALL Catholic priests of being pedophiles. I am pointing out that SOME are. Actually, more to the point, I am trying to point out that condemning Muslims based on the actions of Muslim extremists is just as stupid as condemning the Catholic church based on the actions of the pedophile priests. You can't write off an entire religion based on the idiots on the fringe, and that applies to Islam as much as it does Catholicism. However, I am fast coming to realize that arguing with you is an exercise in futility - I'm attempting to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
So, I'll boil this down to one simple question:
If it's all about the location, and two blocks from Ground Zero is too close for your liking, then where would you prefer the Cordoba to be built? How far away from Ground Zero is far enough for you?
And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
jesus you guys are so fucking hard headed. How mant damn times do I have to say it.. They have every right to build it there becuase our constituion protects freedom of religion.. But that doesnt mean that they should. though... Fuck !!!
jesus you guys are so fucking hard headed. How mant damn times do I have to say it.. They have every right to build it there becuase our constituion protects freedom of religion.. But that doesnt mean that they should. though... Fuck !!!
jesus you guys are so fucking hard headed. How mant damn times do I have to say it.. They have every right to build it there becuase our constituion protects freedom of religion.. But that doesnt mean that they should. though... Fuck !!!
Well that's alright then. All I needed to hear. Nothing to do, and nothing to demand.
However, it is still wrong to associate 9/11 with islam and muslims in general, which seems the entire basis around this "controversy".
Peace
Dan
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Not to be nit-picky here or anything, but Kurt Westergaard is alive. Not dead. Was never burned. If you're going to make insane accusations, at least figure out what you're talking about first. It's hard to take your rambling seriously when you can't tell the difference between someone burned to death, and someone alive who has never been set on fire in the first place. I actually found the article you must have read referring to his death, and all I can say is that if you believe that, it explains where you're coming from with many of your views. You got that, McFly?
There's the link and thier are dozens of others that say the same thing... So who's wrong ??
IN an investigative report, an Arabic newspaper, published from Saudi Arabia, has claimed that Kurt Westergaard, Danish cartoonist, has died in a fire incident.
The Danish authorities are trying their best to hide his death, who have found no clue about how the fire broke out and why only the room in which blasphemer Kurt was staying had been damaged. The initial investigation shows that the cartoonist, who committed blasphemy by drawing objectionable caricatures of Prophet (Peace be Upon Him), was provided complete security, as he had received many threats from across the globe after the Muslims had been enraged due to the repeated publication of the caricatures in the European press.
In February 2008, three Arab nationals were arrested for their alleged involvement in plotting the death of Kurt. A Somali man had also tried to stab him to death but the policemen deputed at his house saved him miraculously.
It is worth recalling that the blasphemous cartoons first appeared in Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten.
The investigative report says the incident took place some days back in which Westergaard was burnt seriously and died on the spot, but the international media is completely silent about it. The report further claims that some eyewitnesses are also available to testify the happenings. The Danish authorities have so far been unable to find any hint about the cause of fire, as they had started investigations while keeping in mind some external conspiracy to kill the blasphemer.
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Not to be nit-picky here or anything, but Kurt Westergaard is alive. Not dead. Was never burned. If you're going to make insane accusations, at least figure out what you're talking about first. It's hard to take your rambling seriously when you can't tell the difference between someone burned to death, and someone alive who has never been set on fire in the first place. I actually found the article you must have read referring to his death, and all I can say is that if you believe that, it explains where you're coming from with many of your views. You got that, McFly?
There's the link and thier are dozens of others that say the same thing... So who's wrong ??
IN an investigative report, an Arabic newspaper, published from Saudi Arabia, has claimed that Kurt Westergaard, Danish cartoonist, has died in a fire incident.
The Danish authorities are trying their best to hide his death, who have found no clue about how the fire broke out and why only the room in which blasphemer Kurt was staying had been damaged. The initial investigation shows that the cartoonist, who committed blasphemy by drawing objectionable caricatures of Prophet (Peace be Upon Him), was provided complete security, as he had received many threats from across the globe after the Muslims had been enraged due to the repeated publication of the caricatures in the European press.
In February 2008, three Arab nationals were arrested for their alleged involvement in plotting the death of Kurt. A Somali man had also tried to stab him to death but the policemen deputed at his house saved him miraculously.
It is worth recalling that the blasphemous cartoons first appeared in Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten.
The investigative report says the incident took place some days back in which Westergaard was burnt seriously and died on the spot, but the international media is completely silent about it. The report further claims that some eyewitnesses are also available to testify the happenings. The Danish authorities have so far been unable to find any hint about the cause of fire, as they had started investigations while keeping in mind some external conspiracy to kill the blasphemer.
This news was published
this article reads like a transcript of a bin laden propaganda tape...
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Does this mean that I am right in assuming your income is illegal? If it's not, what do you have to hide. Show us your finances. What's the big deal?
In this country we do not assume guilt.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
but thats what youve just done by demanding he release his records. i dont see why just because the bigots are 'concerned' the man should assuage that concern. do you not think its been looked into already. do you not trust your government to make sure all the funding for this project is above board? why dont you show us your finances so we can be sure youre not contributing any money to anything related to terrorism or anything else that threatens the united states.
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You can hand out fliers to the members of the mosque, possibly recruit some of their women.
no, that's ok. i don't need to know what you're answer to that question is. i just wanted to know what gimme had to say.
and if you really want to know what is meant by "anti muslim" (i really doubt you do, but whatever), you're asking the wrong person. i didn't come up with the phrase. it was something in one of gimme's articles, and i think he had used the term in a post. i could be wrong about that, though. i don't have every single one of his posts memorized.
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/14/pet ... z-mosques/
you my friend listen to Palin too much and are a bit out of touch with reality
you might try to say the same about me since I have a different point of view then yours however I try to stay away from the extremes, assumptions and generalizations
overall on this topic.....
it is not a good idea to start telling religious organization where they can build what, regardless of where you stand on this one
if you don't think that the US Gov is tracking where the money is coming from for this project you are wrong. We might not know but they are watching it very closely I am sure.
lastly (and this is not necessarily my point of view more of me trying to make a point) but if you wanted to watching a large population in a large US city, why not let them building a big ass community center where they will all gather and you can take attendance on their way in
I think that is a pretty dim comment.
still waiting for clarification as to what you are insinuating.
third time i've asked.
Does this mean that I am right in assuming your income is illegal? If it's not, what do you have to hide. Show us your finances. What's the big deal?
In this country we do not assume guilt.[/quote]
but thats what youve just done by demanding he release his records. i dont see why just because the bigots are 'concerned' the man should assuage that concern. do you not think its been looked into already. do you not trust your government to make sure all the funding for this project is above board? why dont you show us your finances so we can be sure youre not contributing any money to anything related to terrorism or anything else that threatens the united states.[/quote]
I was obviously suggesting that sarcastially to show how absurd his comment was.
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It's families....................
why are the families that lost loved ones on 9/11 more important in your eyes than those that lost loved ones to medical conditions not covered by private insurance companies? slow painful deaths due to pre-existing conditions. families bankrupted by medical bills the same as those on 9/11 lost a bread winner..in my opinion it is the same thing. those on 9/11 were killed by religious zealots while those that died due to lack of insurance are victims of capitalists who are just as zealous about their profits as the religious zealots are about their faith...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
The mosque will attract fanatics in the same manner that a Catholic church attracts abortion clinic bombers and pedophiles.
And what about the family members of the Muslims who died on 9/11? It wasn't just WMAs working in the World Trade Center, you know.
For the record, this is 100% about freedom of religion. I would've been fine with this a year after 9/11, and I would've been fine with it on 9/12/01 too. Why? Because I don't judge entire religions based on the whack job fringe members who align themselves with that religion. You clearly do, but you don't appear to apply that same line of thinking to other religions. Unless of course you like pedophiles, which would explain why you're not on AMT complaining about the Catholic church continuing to use Sunday School as a one-stop-shop to find little boys.
You got mad at me for calling you a hypocrite earlier, but this is EXACTLY why I called you a hypocrite. Every religion has assholes hiding in the corners, but you appear to only want to condemn one particular religion based on its assholes. Until you turn that same prejudiced eye against every religion and slander all of them based on their asshole minorities, then I'll continue to call you a hypocrite.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/jon-stew ... i-give-up/
"It really makes me sick.. It has nothing to with freedom of religion it has to do with respect for the famalies that lost loved ones on that day.."
hey lefty,
i think you should be more upset with cheney & bush than with a muslim Y.M.C.A. as far as respecting the lost ones
and cajun nailed it
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Now you are putting words in my mouth thanks.. Can we please stay on topic ? Why do you always insist on changing the subject. For the record I have never stuck up for ins companies. Also when has anybody been ever thrown out on the street or denied medical attention ? That's bull shit and you know it. Hell there's a hospital in tennesse that is almost going bankrupt bcos they have to treat so many people due to chemical explosions from trying to cook meth. They get treated even if they don't have ins. There are dozens of programs out there to help people that need it. I think you are confusing our system with europes system..
Back to the subject.. I know what the first amenment says dude ok ? No one at least not me is denying them their frredom to worship.. It's the location and just becuase you can do something doesn't mean that you should. I am fully aware that their were muslims that died on 911 and their were also muslims dancing in the street at liberty park and thier are muslims that don't think this is a good idea. What about the families that lost people that day ? Don't they have a voice ? IMO this is very disrespectful and they the supporters of the cordoba project are the ones who are intolerant. Its funny how you guys Left prostrates itself concerning Islam, but becomes unglued when there is even a hint of Christianity in our civic life. Go figure.. :?
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Do you know how ridiculous you sound ? Probably not. For like the 10000th time IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FREEDOM OF RELIGION !!! It's the location. You got that Mcfly?? Hello is anybody in there ? Also I don't base an entire religion on fanatics. and yeah i just lover pedophiles :roll: :roll: Just so you know it sickens me.. I think it's you guys on the left that are hypocrites. I'll say it again all you guys will bend over backwards when it comes to sticking up for Islam and rights for terrorist. People who would cut your head off and not think twice about it.. And lets not forget how the women are treated in the midddle east, and let's not forget about all the mercy killings that have even happened right here in the states. let's not forget about the christians and jews who are slaughtered on a regular basis just for being christian or jewish in the middle east. Let's not forget about the humanatarian workers who were just executed in Afghanastan just for having a bible with them.
What about the danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard, was burnt to death just for drawing objectionable caricatures of Mohammad and all the havoc that cuased ?
and yet you are doing the same thing you accuse me of when you say the Catholic church continuing to use Sunday School as a one-stop-shop to find little boys. So i guees you are acussing all catholic priest of beig pedophiles.
But when it comes to christians and jews fuck em who cares. Organized religion is evil..
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
It's private property, and they are not breaking any laws or codes.
Pass a law that says you can't build mosques where people might take offense?
What's wrong with the amount of protests here is firstly that these people and other american muslims have nothing to do with 9/11. Nothing. Zip. Nada.
Why should they be denied to build according to code on their own property with their own money in any way that doesn't make the US look like intolerant hypocrites?
And there are mosques in lower Manhattan, should they be taken down as well? How close is far enough away anyway? 10 blocks? 20? Canada?
So, what do you suppose be done about this?
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
That makes absolutely no sense... You are basically saying that you have freedom to practice any religion, but only where you approve it.
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Then immediately follow with this:
I'm not insinuating that you base an entire religion on fanatics, but you sound extremely intolerant of thier entire religion because of SOMETHING.
Let's jump to the future...Let's imagine this mosque is built and it exists for a few years. What bad is going to come out of it? Are there going to be terrorists planning attacks within its walls? A year later/after its built, will we even be concerned wit hthis mosque or the dozens of other ones in the city? I'm guessing we will forget about it... but we will always remember the victims of 9/11.
Keeping this mosque from being built won't change anything for the victims of terrorists that some people on here seem so scared of.
Not to be nit-picky here or anything, but Kurt Westergaard is alive. Not dead. Was never burned. If you're going to make insane accusations, at least figure out what you're talking about first. It's hard to take your rambling seriously when you can't tell the difference between someone burned to death, and someone alive who has never been set on fire in the first place. I actually found the article you must have read referring to his death, and all I can say is that if you believe that, it explains where you're coming from with many of your views. You got that, McFly?
And, since you seem to take offense easily at people you accuse of putting words in your mouth, I'd like you to please direct me to the instance where I stuck up for terrorists? I know my memory isn't super duper awesome, but I don't remember spending too much time defending terrorists.
And I am not accusing ALL Catholic priests of being pedophiles. I am pointing out that SOME are. Actually, more to the point, I am trying to point out that condemning Muslims based on the actions of Muslim extremists is just as stupid as condemning the Catholic church based on the actions of the pedophile priests. You can't write off an entire religion based on the idiots on the fringe, and that applies to Islam as much as it does Catholicism. However, I am fast coming to realize that arguing with you is an exercise in futility - I'm attempting to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
So, I'll boil this down to one simple question:
If it's all about the location, and two blocks from Ground Zero is too close for your liking, then where would you prefer the Cordoba to be built? How far away from Ground Zero is far enough for you?
I respectfully disagree with your assertion...
Well that's alright then. All I needed to hear. Nothing to do, and nothing to demand.
However, it is still wrong to associate 9/11 with islam and muslims in general, which seems the entire basis around this "controversy".
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... s-to-death
There's the link and thier are dozens of others that say the same thing... So who's wrong ??
IN an investigative report, an Arabic newspaper, published from Saudi Arabia, has claimed that Kurt Westergaard, Danish cartoonist, has died in a fire incident.
The Danish authorities are trying their best to hide his death, who have found no clue about how the fire broke out and why only the room in which blasphemer Kurt was staying had been damaged. The initial investigation shows that the cartoonist, who committed blasphemy by drawing objectionable caricatures of Prophet (Peace be Upon Him), was provided complete security, as he had received many threats from across the globe after the Muslims had been enraged due to the repeated publication of the caricatures in the European press.
In February 2008, three Arab nationals were arrested for their alleged involvement in plotting the death of Kurt. A Somali man had also tried to stab him to death but the policemen deputed at his house saved him miraculously.
It is worth recalling that the blasphemous cartoons first appeared in Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten.
The investigative report says the incident took place some days back in which Westergaard was burnt seriously and died on the spot, but the international media is completely silent about it. The report further claims that some eyewitnesses are also available to testify the happenings. The Danish authorities have so far been unable to find any hint about the cause of fire, as they had started investigations while keeping in mind some external conspiracy to kill the blasphemer.
This news was published
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."