criminals created the justice system? huh? so even if one, just one innocent man gets put to death, you still think it's a good thing?
I just can't grasp that kind of mentality. if that one innocent person was your son/daughter/wife/mother/father/cousin/friend/whoever you'd say "you win some, you lose some"?
no not at all, if they are wrongly convicted then they should get some kind of compensation but the death penalty is still nesasery, in a perfect we wouldn't the death penalty and it's broken (killers) people that helped create a broken system,without that problem we wouldn't need a death penalty.
Godfather.
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Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
i have firmly and clearly stated my position over the course of 80 something pages of this thread. who is digging for direct insults? i am stating my opinion on this topic where if you read back in this thread people have posted poetry about fanticizing about killing prisoners, and have basically gotten off on it and i find that disgusting. it is my opinion that a good number of those people who support the death penalty are sick and have some sort of mental disfunction. if a person supports it i think they are the sick one, not me. if you support the death penalty you support murder, which is the exact same thing the death penalty is supposed to deter and punish people who have murdered. that is it. i would also go as far to state that a good number of people who support capital punishment also crave retribution and revenge. and why is it that the people who are the loudest in advocating capital punishment have no dog in the fight, as in they have not had a family member murdered and are not directly involved in any of these cases....
and we have executed innocent people, and in texas mentally retarded people, and even women. if one innocent person is murdered by the state, the blood is on all of our hands and the system is broken...
nobody has advocated taking ax murderers out of prison or putting them into the general prison population...jeez....how about putting them in 23 hour lockdown in a supermax? yeah that sucks, but at least they will not be put to death in my name with that execution being paid for by my tax dollars.
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Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
no not at all, if they are wrongly convicted then they should get some kind of compensation but the death penalty is still nesasery, in a perfect we wouldn't the death penalty and it's broken (killers) people that helped create a broken system,without that problem we wouldn't need a death penalty.
Godfather.
Explain to me why it's necessary. It seems that more and more countries are realising that not only is it not necessary, it it not justifiable. In fact, the United States is the only developed western nation that has yet to realise that it's not necessary.
I've read about very many capital cases over the years - including many where the guilt was undeniable - and I have yet to come across a single one where I would say it is "necessary" that that person is killed by the state. Nor have I ever heard a single report of any specific social good to result from an execution.
No, rather than being necessary, the death penalty is arbitrary, capricious, prejudicial, exorbitantly expensive, and fundamentally unjust. It demeans any society when, rather than taking a civilised and sober approach in its treatment of prisoners, it stoops to retributive vengeance crudely disguised as justice. It is no such thing.
93: Slane
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
no not at all, if they are wrongly convicted then they should get some kind of compensation but the death penalty is still nesasery, in a perfect we wouldn't the death penalty and it's broken (killers) people that helped create a broken system,without that problem we wouldn't need a death penalty.
Godfather.
Explain to me why it's necessary. It seems that more and more countries are realising that not only is it not necessary, it it not justifiable. In fact, the United States is the only developed western nation that has yet to realise that it's not necessary.
I've read about very many capital cases over the years - including many where the guilt was undeniable - and I have yet to come across a single one where I would say it is "necessary" that that person is killed by the state. Nor have I ever heard a single report of any specific social good to result from an execution.
No, rather than being necessary, the death penalty is arbitrary, capricious, prejudicial, exorbitantly expensive, and fundamentally unjust. It demeans any society when, rather than taking a civilised and sober approach in its treatment of prisoners, it stoops to retributive vengeance crudely disguised as justice. It is no such thing.
"I ever heard a single report of any specific social good to result from an execution."
jeffery domer was murdered in prison but just the same his death was a social good.
"I ever heard a single report of any specific social good to result from an execution."
jeffery domer was murdered in prison but just the same his death was a social good.
Godfather.
I assume you're talking about Jeffrey Dahmer.
Unless you can back that up, unless you objectively explain and illustrate how his murder was a social good (and keep in mind here, we're talking about state-sanctioned capital punishment here, not murder in prison, so his case actually isn't relevant to this discussion), then this is just your opinion. Either way, the question still stands - why is the death penalty necessary?
93: Slane
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
"I ever heard a single report of any specific social good to result from an execution."
jeffery domer was murdered in prison but just the same his death was a social good.
Godfather.
I assume you're talking about Jeffrey Dahmer.
Unless you can back that up, unless you objectively explain and illustrate how his murder was a social good (and keep in mind here, we're talking about state-sanctioned capital punishment here, not murder in prison, so his case actually isn't relevant to this discussion), then this is just your opinion. Either way, the question still stands - why is the death penalty necessary?
some people kill with out remorse for no reason other than to enjoy the kill, they stalk their victims and wait for the opportunity to kill them and this happens to people from all ages and walks of life...they are killed just cause the killer has a need to feel the power of taking a life and putting these killers in prison endangers the life of other prisoners is that o.k ? also life in prison means 25 years in most prisons and then these killers are up for parole and to possibly be put back into their hunting grounds in the public to kill again.
also "Jeffery Dahmer" killed and ate his victims (young boys) also had body parts in the refrigerator and in bags around his apartment..it wasn't ever a killing of self defense for that nut case so yes his death was good thing.
"I ever heard a single report of any specific social good to result from an execution."
jeffery domer was murdered in prison but just the same his death was a social good.
Godfather.
I assume you're talking about Jeffrey Dahmer.
Unless you can back that up, unless you objectively explain and illustrate how his murder was a social good (and keep in mind here, we're talking about state-sanctioned capital punishment here, not murder in prison, so his case actually isn't relevant to this discussion), then this is just your opinion. Either way, the question still stands - why is the death penalty necessary?
some people kill with out remorse for no reason other than to enjoy the kill, they stalk their victims and wait for the opportunity to kill them and this happens to people from all ages and walks of life...they are killed just cause the killer has a need to feel the power of taking a life and putting these killers in prison endangers the life of other prisoners is that o.k ? also life in prison means 25 years in most prisons and then these killers are up for parole and to possibly be put back into their hunting grounds in the public to kill again.
also "Jeffery Dahmer" killed and ate his victims (young boys) also had body parts in the refrigerator and in bags around his apartment..it wasn't ever a killing of self defense for that nut case so yes his death was good thing.
Godfather.
dude you are waaaay off base here. ever hear of "life with no possibility of parole"??? that sentence is meted out more and more often now instead of the death penalty. you are overdramatizing here by saying people like dahmer ever had a chance in hell of getting out of there. manson got life, comes up dor parole every few years and promptly gets denied because he is mentally ill. the same thing would happen in most cases of coldblooded murderers. i think that you are thinking of minor offenders like minor drug offenses getting out early, but i doubt that any cold blooded multiple murderers would ever get out on parole......and if that is the case then there is no need for the death penalty...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
dude you are waaaay off base here. ever hear of "life with no possibility of parole"??? that sentence is meted out more and more often now instead of the death penalty. you are overdramatizing here by saying people like dahmer ever had a chance in hell of getting out of there. manson got life, comes up dor parole every few years and promptly gets denied because he is mentally ill. the same thing would happen in most cases of coldblooded murderers. i think that you are thinking of minor offenders like minor drug offenses getting out early, but i doubt that any cold blooded multiple murderers would ever get out on parole......and if that is the case then there is no need for the death penalty...
cold blooded killers are not the only folks
that can be put to death.
serial rapists and child molesters... done
they never murdered anyone... they have however crossed a major line
fire up the needle, the bullet, the chair
whatever...
cold blooded killers are not the only folks
that can be put to death.
serial rapists and child molesters... done
they never murdered anyone... they have however crossed a major line
fire up the needle, the bullet, the chair
whatever...
nothing wrong with offing the worst fuckers
^^^^^ case in point..
"i have firmly and clearly stated my position over the course of 80 something pages of this thread. who is digging for direct insults? i am stating my opinion on this topic where if you read back in this thread people have posted poetry about fanticizing about killing prisoners, and have basically gotten off on it and i find that disgusting. it is my opinion that a good number of those people who support the death penalty are sick and have some sort of mental disfunction. if a person supports it i think they are the sick one, not me. if you support the death penalty you support murder, which is the exact same thing the death penalty is supposed to deter and punish people who have murdered. that is it. i would also go as far to state that a good number of people who support capital punishment also crave retribution and revenge. and why is it that the people who are the loudest in advocating capital punishment have no dog in the fight, as in they have not had a family member murdered and are not directly involved in any of these cases....
and we have executed innocent people, and in texas mentally retarded people, and even women. if one innocent person is murdered by the state, the blood is on all of our hands and the system is broken...
nobody has advocated taking ax murderers out of prison or putting them into the general prison population...jeez....how about putting them in 23 hour lockdown in a supermax? yeah that sucks, but at least they will not be put to death in my name with that execution being paid for by my tax dollars."
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
what I find funny is that NOT ONE pro-death penalty person will admit that it's wrong to have it in place for the simple fact of the possibility, actually, the EVENTUALITY (because it's proven it HAS happened) that an innocent person be wrongly convicted and put to death.
people come on here supporting the death penalty "only in 100% guilty" cases. thing is, either you support the death penalty in its current form of legislation or you don't. there is no such thing as only putting those to death that are 100% guilty. it is guilty BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. THAT'S FAR FROM 100%.
until we have a system that equals Minority Report, the death penalty should not exist.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
"i have firmly and clearly stated my position over the course of 80 something pages of this thread. who is digging for direct insults? i am stating my opinion on this topic where if you read back in this thread people have posted poetry about fanticizing about killing prisoners, and have basically gotten off on it and i find that disgusting. it is my opinion that a good number of those people who support the death penalty are sick and have some sort of mental disfunction. if a person supports it i think they are the sick one, not me. if you support the death penalty you support murder, which is the exact same thing the death penalty is supposed to deter and punish people who have murdered. that is it. i would also go as far to state that a good number of people who support capital punishment also crave retribution and revenge. and why is it that the people who are the loudest in advocating capital punishment have no dog in the fight, as in they have not had a family member murdered and are not directly involved in any of these cases....
and we have executed innocent people, and in texas mentally retarded people, and even women. if one innocent person is murdered by the state, the blood is on all of our hands and the system is broken...
nobody has advocated taking ax murderers out of prison or putting them into the general prison population...jeez....how about putting them in 23 hour lockdown in a supermax? yeah that sucks, but at least they will not be put to death in my name with that execution being paid for by my tax dollars."
"i have firmly and clearly stated my position over the course of 80 something pages of this thread. who is digging for direct insults? i am stating my opinion on this topic where if you read back in this thread people have posted poetry about fanticizing about killing prisoners, and have basically gotten off on it and i find that disgusting. it is my opinion that a good number of those people who support the death penalty are sick and have some sort of mental disfunction. if a person supports it i think they are the sick one, not me. if you support the death penalty you support murder, which is the exact same thing the death penalty is supposed to deter and punish people who have murdered. that is it. i would also go as far to state that a good number of people who support capital punishment also crave retribution and revenge. and why is it that the people who are the loudest in advocating capital punishment have no dog in the fight, as in they have not had a family member murdered and are not directly involved in any of these cases....
and we have executed innocent people, and in texas mentally retarded people, and even women. if one innocent person is murdered by the state, the blood is on all of our hands and the system is broken...
nobody has advocated taking ax murderers out of prison or putting them into the general prison population...jeez....how about putting them in 23 hour lockdown in a supermax? yeah that sucks, but at least they will not be put to death in my name with that execution being paid for by my tax dollars."
writing poetry kicks ass
ever write any?
i have notebooks filled with poetry and music i have written. have been particularly uninspired lately though...so i don't much feel like writing or creating anything at the moment...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
what I find funny is that NOT ONE pro-death penalty person will admit that it's wrong to have it in place for the simple fact of the possibility, actually, the EVENTUALITY (because it's proven it HAS happened) that an innocent person be wrongly convicted and put to death.
people come on here supporting the death penalty "only in 100% guilty" cases. thing is, either you support the death penalty in its current form of legislation or you don't. there is no such thing as only putting those to death that are 100% guilty. it is guilty BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. THAT'S FAR FROM 100%.
until we have a system that equals Minority Report, the death penalty should not exist.
really there is nothing funny about it.
Godfather.
John McRae -- Michigan/Florida. Life for murder of 8-year-old boy. Pedophile. Paroled 1971. Convicted of another murder of a boy after parole, in Michigan 1998. Charges pending on 2 other counts in Florida.
John Miller -- California. Killed an infant 1957, convicted of murder, 1958. Paroled 1975. Killed his parents 1975. Life term 1975.
Michael Lawrence -- Florida. Killed robbery victim. Life term, 1976. Paroled 1985. Killed robbery victim. Condemned 1990.
Donald Dillbeck -- Florida. Killed policeman in 1979. Escaped from prison in 1990, kidnapped and killed female motorist after escape. Condemned 1991.
Edward Kennedy -- Florida. Killed motel clerk. Sentenced to Life. Escaped 1981. Killed policeman and male civilian after prison break. Executed 1992.
Dawud Mu'Min -- Virginia. Killed cab driver in holdup. Sentenced 1973. Escaped 1988. Raped/killed woman 1988. Condemned 1989. Executed 1997.
Viva Nash -- Utah/Arizona. Two terms of life for murder in Utah, 1978. Escaped in 1982. Murdered again. Condemned in Arizona, 1983.
Randy Greenawalt -- Escaped from Prison in 1978, while serving a life sentence for a 1974 murder. He then murdered a family of 4 people, shotgunning them to death, including a toddler.
Norman Parker -- Florida/D.C. Life term in Florida for murder, 1966. Escaped 1978. Life on another count of murder in 1979.
Winford Stokes -- Missouri. Ruled insane on two counts of murder 1969. Escaped from asylum, 1978. Murdered again. Executed for this murder, 1990.
Charles Crawford -- Missouri. Life term in 1965 for murder. Paroled 1990. Convicted of murder again in 1994.
Jack Ferrell -- Florida. Committed Murdered 1981. 15 years to life, 1982. Paroled 1987. Murdered again 1992. Condemned 1993.
Timothy Buss -- Murdered five-year-old girl. Sentenced to 25 years in 1981. Paroled 1993. Murdered 10-year-old boy. Condemned 1996.
Martsay Bolder -- Missouri. Serving a sentence of life for first-degree murder in 1973. Murdered prison cellmate 1979.
Henry Brisbon, Illinois. Murdered 2 in robbery. Sentenced to 1000- 3000 years. Killed inmate in prison 1982. Sentenced to DP. Commuted by Governor Ryan.
Randolph Dial -- Oklahoma. Life for murder 1986. Escaped from prison with deputy warden's wife as kidnap victim. 1989. Still at large. Warden's wife never found.
Arthur J. Bomar, Jr. -- released from prison in Nevada on parole in 1990. Bomar had served 11 years of a murder sentence for killing a man over an argument about a parking space. Six years later in Pennsylvania, Bomar brutally kidnapped, raped and murdered George Mason University star athlete Aimee Willard.
Dwain Little -- Oregon. Raped/Stabbed 16-year-old girl. Life term 1966. Paroled 1974. Returned as Parole Violator 1975. Again Released 1977. Then shot family of 4. Three consecutive life terms for rape and murder 1980.
Arthur Shawcross (The 'Monster of the Rivers') -- Released after serving a 25 year sentence for a child murder, turned to murdering prostitutes. At least 10 in all. Now serving ten consecutive sentences of 25 years to life - 250 years in all.
Samuel D. Smith -- in prison for murdering Zita Casey, 79, during a burglary in St. Louis in 1978. While in prison he murdered another inmate, Marlin May, during a knife fight in 1987 in prison.
Darrell P. Pandeli -- After being released from prison after a conviction for murder, Pandeli murdered a prostitute, cut off her nipples and flushed them down the toilet. Now on DR in Arizona for that second recidivist murder.
Chad Allen Lee -- Convicted of capital murder. Sentenced to other than death. Released and went on murder spree. Murdering Linda Reynolds, a pizza delivery person, and 9 days later robbed and murdered David Lacey, a taxi cab driver. Lee then robbed a mini-market 7 days after than. Shooting the owner, Harold Drury, multiple times without reason.
Scott Lehr -- Convicted of capital murder. Sentenced to other than death. Later released. After release, between Feb 91 and Feb 92 lured 10 different female victims, between the ages of 10 and 48-years-old, into his car. Raping and beating them unconscious, stripped and adandoned them in the desert. Three of his victims died in those acts.
James Erin McKinney -- Convicted of capital murder. Sentenced to other than death. Later released. Then murdered Christine Mertens in a home invasion robbery. Later murdered James McClain in another separate home invasion robbery.
Michael Murdaugh -- Convicted of capital murder. Sentenced to other than death. Later released. After release murdered David Reynolds. Beating him to death. When 'dumping' the body, Murdaugh severed Reynold's head and hands, pulled out his teeth, and buried the body parts.
Charles Daniels -- was convicted and sentenced to Life for the 1965 rape and murder of a Louisiana woman. Later having his sentence commuted, he was release. And he again killed another woman, 32-year-old Debbie Tatum.
Jarmarr Arnold -- who, while on DR, murdered another DR inmate by stabbing him in the forehead with a sharpen spike. Proving that not even a death sentence can prevent murder until the sentence is carried out.
Robert Lee Massie -- Sentenced to the DP, but overturned by Furman, which resulted in him committing further new murders.
Kenneth McDuff - Sentenced to the DP, but overturned by Furman. Subsequently released, and murdered as many as 19 young women after his release. Finally executed in 1998 for the murder of Melissa Ann Northrup see ... Who once remarked "Killing a woman is like killing a chicken. They both squawk."
Darryl Kemp -- Sentenced to the DP, but overturned by Furman. Subsequently released. Authorities now say he raped and strangled a woman jogging, less than 4 months later.
Timothy Hancock -- Serving a life sentence for a murder he committed in 1990, murdered his cellmate, Jason Wagner, in November 2000, while serving his life sentence.
Howard Allen -- murdered an elderly woman.. Opal Cooper, in Aug 1974, and was sentenced to 21 years in prison. By January 1985, less than ten years after being incarcerated, Howard Allen was released. On May 20, 1987 Howard Allen broke into the home of eighty-seven year old Laverne Hale, and savagely beat her to death. Six weeks later Allen struck again. On July 13, 1987 Howard Allen knocked on the door of Ernestine Griffin. At lunchtime the following day she was found murdered. On June 11, 1988 Allen was found guilty was found guilty of Ernestine’s murder.
Melvin Geary -- originally sentenced to L wop, for the stabbing death of a woman in 1973 with a boning knife. Changed to Life.. released... After his release, Geary was subsequently convicted of murdering 71-year-old Edward Colvin of Sparks, again with a boning knife after Colvin took him in.
William Coday Jr. -- convicted of murdering 19-year-old Lisa Hullinger in September 1978. After spending just 15 months in a German prison, he was released. In April 2002, he was convicted of having murdered Gloria Gomez on 13 July, 1997.
Corey R. Barton -- In 1983 he murdered 16-year-old Shari-Ann Merton. He received 18 years in prison. He was released after serving 9 years and 8 months. In November 1998, he murdered 27 year-old Sally Harris of North Carolina.
Cuhuatemoc Hinricky Peraita -- Rainbow City, Alabama, who was serving life without parole for 3 murders in Gadsden, Alabama was found guilty of capital murder for murdering a fellow inmate.
James Prestridge -- Sentenced to L wop, for murdering Esfandiar Ateighechi, as he begged for his life in 1989. Escaped from prison along with John Doran. After their escape Prestridge murdered his fellow-escapee John Doran, shooting him in the back of the head.
Jimmy Lee Gray -- who was free on parole from an Arizona conviction for killing a 16-year-old high school girl, kidnapped, sodomized, and suffocated a three-year-old Mississippi girl.
Jack Henry Abbott, who had murdered a fellow prison inmate, was released early from a Utah prison. On July 18, 1981, six-weeks after his release, Abbott stabbed actor Richard Adan to death in New York.
Benny Lee Chaffin, on December 7, 1984 kidnapped, raped, and murdered a 9-year-old Springfield, Oregon girl. He had been convicted of murder once before in Texas, but not executed.
Thomas Eugene Creech, who had been convicted of three murders and had claimed a role in more than 40 killings in 13 states as a paid killer for a motorcycle gang, killed a fellow prison inmate in 1981 and was sentenced to death.
Wayne Henry Garrison, 42, was convicted of 1st-degree murder in the death of Justin Wiles 13, of Tulsa. As a teenager, Garrison had killed two children in Tulsa. Police earlier said the circumstances of those killings were similar to Justin's death.
Tommy Arthur -- sentenced to die in Alabama's electric chair for killing Troy Wicker in a 1982 murder for-hire scheme in Muscle Shoals. Arthur had already been convicted in 1977 of killing the sister of his common-law wife. He had been sentenced to life for that murder.
Robert Lynn Pruett -- a convicted killer already serving a life sentence, fatally stabbed prison guard Daniel Nagle with a sharpened rod while patrolling the Texas Department of Criminal Justice McConnell Unit near Beeville in South Texas. It was the first fatal attack on a Texas corrections officer since guard Minnie Houston was stabbed to death in 1984 by an inmate at the Ellis Unit near Huntsville, a prison official said.
Miguel Salas Rodriguez -- charged in the murder of a sheriff's deputy. Sgt. David M. Furrh, 40, in Dec 2000. Rodriguez had a December 1973 conviction of homicide without malice, for which he was sentenced to five years in prison. And yet ANOTHER conviction for murder in April 1979, for which he was sentenced to 70 years in prison. Rodriguez was paroled in October 1989.
Bennie Demps --condemned to the DP for the 1976 murder of Alfred Sturgis, a prison snitch. Originally, Demps was sent to death row for the murders of R.N. Brinkworth and Celia Puhlick, who were fatally shot in a Lake County citrus grove. A year after Demps was sent to death row, the U.S. Supreme Court threw out capital punishment across the country, ruling death sentences had been imposed in an arbitrary way. Another failure of the Furman-commuted murderers.
Leroy Schmitz -- convicted of strangling his live-in girlfriend in 1986, during an argument. He was sentenced to 18-20 years for that homicide. He was later convicted of murdering his wife, in Whitefish, Montana in 1999.
Vernon Sattiewhite -- In 1977, Sattiewhite had been sentenced to five years for a murder but was paroled two years later and granted clemency. In 1984, he was convicted of robbery and sentenced to two years in prison but was paroled after less than six months. Soon after he murdered his ex-girlfriend, Sandra Sorrell.
Tomas G. Ervin -- Sentenced to death in 1990, after conviction of the December 1988 murders of Mildred L. Hodges, 75, and her son, Richard E. Hodges. Bert Hunter, who was arrested along with Ervin pleaded guilty to the first-degree murder charges. Hunter and Ervin had met in the Missouri State Penitentiary, where they were both serving life sentences for previous murders.
William Michael "Billy the Kid" Mason -- killed his wife three weeks after he was paroled on another murder conviction.
Daniel Joe Hittle -- convicted of capital murder and sentenced to death for murdering a police officer Hittle, 40, was described by witnesses as a man who gleefully killed or tortured animals and who routinely beat women and children. He was on parole for the killings of his adoptive parents in Minnesota when he shot Garland police officer Gerald Walker during a traffic stop. Hittle then sped to East Dallas, where he fatally shot Mary Alice Goss, 39; Richard Joseph Cook Jr., 36; Raymond Scott Gregg, 19; and Goss' 4-year-old daughter Christy Condon.
Tony Walker -- Texas. Convicted of murder in 1978. Sentenced to 5 years. Murdered a 66 year-old woman and her 81 year-old husband in 1992. Jerome Butler -- Found guilty of the shooting of cab driver Nathan Oakley, 67. Oakley had been a Houston cab driver for 30 years. Butler had an extensive criminal history, including a 1959 conviction on two counts of robbery and assault in New York City. Butler had previously served about 10 years of a 30-year sentence after pleading guilty to the murder of A.C. Johnson, 69.
Dalton Prejean -- killed a taxi driver when he was 14, . When he was 17, he gunned down a state trooper in Lafayette, Louisiana. Despite protests from the American Civil Liberties Union and other abolitionist groups, Prejean was executed for the second murder on May 18, 1990.
Phillip Jablonski -- Carol Spadoni married Jablonski on June 16, 1982, while he was serving a prison sentence for the 1979 murder of his third wife, Melinda Kimball. After she became his pen-pal correspondent in prison. Jablonski murdered his prison pen-pal wife and her mother. And the day before those murders he had murdered Fathyma Vann, 38, in Indio, about 25 miles from Palm Springs, Vann was found shot and sexually mutilated in the desert with ``I love Jesus'' carved in her back." Now GET THIS -- See... It seems that Phillip Jablonski, now in prison after ALL those murders, placed an ad for a pen-pal -- "Jewish Death Row inmate, white, 51 years old, seeking understanding and open female or male for honest correspondence. Amateur poet, artist. Will answer all correspondence received. PHILLIP JABLONSKI, C-02477/SE95, San Quentin, CA 94974"
Jerry Michael Ward -- Originally sentenced to die in the electric chair, for committing murder with malice in the rape and murder of a Houston school girl. His sentence was commuted to life in prison when the U.S. Supreme Court abolished the death penalty in 1972. Although the death penalty was reinstated, the sentence was not. He was subsequently paroled in 1984 after serving 18 years in prison. He was the number one suspect in two new cases, involving the the disappearance of Connie Sue Cooke, and the murder of Brenda Maureen Hackett. But althought police were on the verge of arresting him, Ward committed suicide in a self-inflicted execution.
David E. Maust -- Hammond, Illinois. Murdered a 15-year-old boy in 1981. After released murdered three teenage boys, in circumstances similiar to John Wayne Gacy... burying their bodies in concrete in his basement.
James Homer Elledge -- sent to prison for life in 1975 after beating a Seattle motel owner to death with a ball-peen hammer. In the years that followed, he won parole 3 times, most recently in August 1995. prosecutors have now charged Elledge with 1st-degree murder for allegedly stabbing and strangling Eloise Jane Fitzner, 47, in a church basement.
Zeno E. Sims -- sent to prison for eight years for the murder of a 24-year-old-man. Released on parole, in Kansas City, he then murdered DeAntreia L Ashley, a 15-year-old-girl, after a minor traffic accident.
Arthur James Julius -- convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison. In 1978, he was given a brief leave from prison, during which he raped and murdered a cousin. He was sentenced to death for that crime and was executed on November 17, 1989.
In March 1979, a Graterford (Pa.) prison guard was murdered brutally by an inmate. The inmate -- at the time he murdered the guard -- already was serving a life sentence for the triple murder of two infants and an elderly woman.
In 1994, an inmate who already was serving two life sentences in the Philadelphia Industrial Correctional Center was sentenced to three more after he was convicted of stabbing three prison guards.
In 1995, two death-row inmates at the Florida State Prison in Starke were killed by their fellow inmates.
In 1999, a Beeville (Texas) prison guard was killed by an inmate already serving a sentence for murder.
On November 9, 1983 Associate U.S. Attorney General D. Lowell Jensen told a Senate subcommittee that it is impossible to punish or even deter such prison murders because, without a death sentence, a violent life-termer has free rein "to continue to murder as opportunity and his perverse motives dictate."
On October 22, 1983 at the federal penitentiary in Marion, Illinois, two prison guards were murdered in two SEPARATE instances by SEPARATE inmates who were both serving life terms for previously murdering inmates
what I find funny is that NOT ONE pro-death penalty person will admit that it's wrong to have it in place for the simple fact of the possibility, actually, the EVENTUALITY (because it's proven it HAS happened) that an innocent person be wrongly convicted and put to death.
people come on here supporting the death penalty "only in 100% guilty" cases. thing is, either you support the death penalty in its current form of legislation or you don't. there is no such thing as only putting those to death that are 100% guilty. it is guilty BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. THAT'S FAR FROM 100%.
until we have a system that equals Minority Report, the death penalty should not exist.
I have been thinking the same thing throughout this entire thread Paul. Nobody ever addresses this.
However, I knew we'd get a response sooner or later... but rather than address it directly, a typical response would be to list the opposite in attempt to derail the focus of your question. Once again it was ignored. Its because they all know the answer. The system is a failure other than revenge.
what I find funny is that NOT ONE pro-death penalty person will admit that it's wrong to have it in place for the simple fact of the possibility, actually, the EVENTUALITY (because it's proven it HAS happened) that an innocent person be wrongly convicted and put to death.
people come on here supporting the death penalty "only in 100% guilty" cases. thing is, either you support the death penalty in its current form of legislation or you don't. there is no such thing as only putting those to death that are 100% guilty. it is guilty BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. THAT'S FAR FROM 100%.
until we have a system that equals Minority Report, the death penalty should not exist.
really there is nothing funny about it.
Godfather.
once again, GF, you completely ignore the context of the actual comment and list a bunch of arbirtrary situations that have nothing to do with the question.
DOES KILLING THE GUILTY JUSTIFY KILLING AN INNOCENT MAN ON DEATH ROW???
YES OR NO?
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
and reading through all of the cases you posted GF, don't you find one common theme? that the system needs fixing with regards to parole? according to you, it makes more sense to just kill them all rather than fix the system.
yeah, how progressive.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I have been thinking the same thing throughout this entire thread Paul. Nobody ever addresses this.
However, I knew we'd get a response sooner or later... but rather than address it directly, a typical response would be to list the opposite in attempt to derail the focus of your question. Once again it was ignored. Its because they all know the answer. The system is a failure other than revenge.
what I find funny is that NOT ONE pro-death penalty person will admit that it's wrong to have it in place for the simple fact of the possibility, actually, the EVENTUALITY (because it's proven it HAS happened) that an innocent person be wrongly convicted and put to death.
people come on here supporting the death penalty "only in 100% guilty" cases. thing is, either you support the death penalty in its current form of legislation or you don't. there is no such thing as only putting those to death that are 100% guilty. it is guilty BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. THAT'S FAR FROM 100%.
until we have a system that equals Minority Report, the death penalty should not exist.
really there is nothing funny about it.
Godfather.
John McRae -- Michigan/Florida. Life for murder of 8-year-old boy. Pedophile. Paroled 1971. Convicted of another murder of a boy after parole, in Michigan 1998. Charges pending on 2 other counts in Florida.
John Miller -- California. Killed an infant 1957, convicted of murder, 1958. Paroled 1975. Killed his parents 1975. Life term 1975.
Michael Lawrence -- Florida. Killed robbery victim. Life term, 1976. Paroled 1985. Killed robbery victim. Condemned 1990.
Donald Dillbeck -- Florida. Killed policeman in 1979. Escaped from prison in 1990, kidnapped and killed female motorist after escape. Condemned 1991.
Edward Kennedy -- Florida. Killed motel clerk. Sentenced to Life. Escaped 1981. Killed policeman and male civilian after prison break. Executed 1992.
Dawud Mu'Min -- Virginia. Killed cab driver in holdup. Sentenced 1973. Escaped 1988. Raped/killed woman 1988. Condemned 1989. Executed 1997.
Viva Nash -- Utah/Arizona. Two terms of life for murder in Utah, 1978. Escaped in 1982. Murdered again. Condemned in Arizona, 1983.
Randy Greenawalt -- Escaped from Prison in 1978, while serving a life sentence for a 1974 murder. He then murdered a family of 4 people, shotgunning them to death, including a toddler.
Norman Parker -- Florida/D.C. Life term in Florida for murder, 1966. Escaped 1978. Life on another count of murder in 1979.
Winford Stokes -- Missouri. Ruled insane on two counts of murder 1969. Escaped from asylum, 1978. Murdered again. Executed for this murder, 1990.
Charles Crawford -- Missouri. Life term in 1965 for murder. Paroled 1990. Convicted of murder again in 1994.
Jack Ferrell -- Florida. Committed Murdered 1981. 15 years to life, 1982. Paroled 1987. Murdered again 1992. Condemned 1993.
Timothy Buss -- Murdered five-year-old girl. Sentenced to 25 years in 1981. Paroled 1993. Murdered 10-year-old boy. Condemned 1996.
Martsay Bolder -- Missouri. Serving a sentence of life for first-degree murder in 1973. Murdered prison cellmate 1979.
Henry Brisbon, Illinois. Murdered 2 in robbery. Sentenced to 1000- 3000 years. Killed inmate in prison 1982. Sentenced to DP. Commuted by Governor Ryan.
Randolph Dial -- Oklahoma. Life for murder 1986. Escaped from prison with deputy warden's wife as kidnap victim. 1989. Still at large. Warden's wife never found.
Arthur J. Bomar, Jr. -- released from prison in Nevada on parole in 1990. Bomar had served 11 years of a murder sentence for killing a man over an argument about a parking space. Six years later in Pennsylvania, Bomar brutally kidnapped, raped and murdered George Mason University star athlete Aimee Willard.
Dwain Little -- Oregon. Raped/Stabbed 16-year-old girl. Life term 1966. Paroled 1974. Returned as Parole Violator 1975. Again Released 1977. Then shot family of 4. Three consecutive life terms for rape and murder 1980.
Arthur Shawcross (The 'Monster of the Rivers') -- Released after serving a 25 year sentence for a child murder, turned to murdering prostitutes. At least 10 in all. Now serving ten consecutive sentences of 25 years to life - 250 years in all.
Samuel D. Smith -- in prison for murdering Zita Casey, 79, during a burglary in St. Louis in 1978. While in prison he murdered another inmate, Marlin May, during a knife fight in 1987 in prison.
Darrell P. Pandeli -- After being released from prison after a conviction for murder, Pandeli murdered a prostitute, cut off her nipples and flushed them down the toilet. Now on DR in Arizona for that second recidivist murder.
Chad Allen Lee -- Convicted of capital murder. Sentenced to other than death. Released and went on murder spree. Murdering Linda Reynolds, a pizza delivery person, and 9 days later robbed and murdered David Lacey, a taxi cab driver. Lee then robbed a mini-market 7 days after than. Shooting the owner, Harold Drury, multiple times without reason.
Scott Lehr -- Convicted of capital murder. Sentenced to other than death. Later released. After release, between Feb 91 and Feb 92 lured 10 different female victims, between the ages of 10 and 48-years-old, into his car. Raping and beating them unconscious, stripped and adandoned them in the desert. Three of his victims died in those acts.
James Erin McKinney -- Convicted of capital murder. Sentenced to other than death. Later released. Then murdered Christine Mertens in a home invasion robbery. Later murdered James McClain in another separate home invasion robbery.
Michael Murdaugh -- Convicted of capital murder. Sentenced to other than death. Later released. After release murdered David Reynolds. Beating him to death. When 'dumping' the body, Murdaugh severed Reynold's head and hands, pulled out his teeth, and buried the body parts.
Charles Daniels -- was convicted and sentenced to Life for the 1965 rape and murder of a Louisiana woman. Later having his sentence commuted, he was release. And he again killed another woman, 32-year-old Debbie Tatum.
Jarmarr Arnold -- who, while on DR, murdered another DR inmate by stabbing him in the forehead with a sharpen spike. Proving that not even a death sentence can prevent murder until the sentence is carried out.
Robert Lee Massie -- Sentenced to the DP, but overturned by Furman, which resulted in him committing further new murders.
Kenneth McDuff - Sentenced to the DP, but overturned by Furman. Subsequently released, and murdered as many as 19 young women after his release. Finally executed in 1998 for the murder of Melissa Ann Northrup see ... Who once remarked "Killing a woman is like killing a chicken. They both squawk."
Darryl Kemp -- Sentenced to the DP, but overturned by Furman. Subsequently released. Authorities now say he raped and strangled a woman jogging, less than 4 months later.
Timothy Hancock -- Serving a life sentence for a murder he committed in 1990, murdered his cellmate, Jason Wagner, in November 2000, while serving his life sentence.
Howard Allen -- murdered an elderly woman.. Opal Cooper, in Aug 1974, and was sentenced to 21 years in prison. By January 1985, less than ten years after being incarcerated, Howard Allen was released. On May 20, 1987 Howard Allen broke into the home of eighty-seven year old Laverne Hale, and savagely beat her to death. Six weeks later Allen struck again. On July 13, 1987 Howard Allen knocked on the door of Ernestine Griffin. At lunchtime the following day she was found murdered. On June 11, 1988 Allen was found guilty was found guilty of Ernestine’s murder.
Melvin Geary -- originally sentenced to L wop, for the stabbing death of a woman in 1973 with a boning knife. Changed to Life.. released... After his release, Geary was subsequently convicted of murdering 71-year-old Edward Colvin of Sparks, again with a boning knife after Colvin took him in.
William Coday Jr. -- convicted of murdering 19-year-old Lisa Hullinger in September 1978. After spending just 15 months in a German prison, he was released. In April 2002, he was convicted of having murdered Gloria Gomez on 13 July, 1997.
Corey R. Barton -- In 1983 he murdered 16-year-old Shari-Ann Merton. He received 18 years in prison. He was released after serving 9 years and 8 months. In November 1998, he murdered 27 year-old Sally Harris of North Carolina.
Cuhuatemoc Hinricky Peraita -- Rainbow City, Alabama, who was serving life without parole for 3 murders in Gadsden, Alabama was found guilty of capital murder for murdering a fellow inmate.
James Prestridge -- Sentenced to L wop, for murdering Esfandiar Ateighechi, as he begged for his life in 1989. Escaped from prison along with John Doran. After their escape Prestridge murdered his fellow-escapee John Doran, shooting him in the back of the head.
Jimmy Lee Gray -- who was free on parole from an Arizona conviction for killing a 16-year-old high school girl, kidnapped, sodomized, and suffocated a three-year-old Mississippi girl.
Jack Henry Abbott, who had murdered a fellow prison inmate, was released early from a Utah prison. On July 18, 1981, six-weeks after his release, Abbott stabbed actor Richard Adan to death in New York.
Benny Lee Chaffin, on December 7, 1984 kidnapped, raped, and murdered a 9-year-old Springfield, Oregon girl. He had been convicted of murder once before in Texas, but not executed.
Thomas Eugene Creech, who had been convicted of three murders and had claimed a role in more than 40 killings in 13 states as a paid killer for a motorcycle gang, killed a fellow prison inmate in 1981 and was sentenced to death.
Wayne Henry Garrison, 42, was convicted of 1st-degree murder in the death of Justin Wiles 13, of Tulsa. As a teenager, Garrison had killed two children in Tulsa. Police earlier said the circumstances of those killings were similar to Justin's death.
Tommy Arthur -- sentenced to die in Alabama's electric chair for killing Troy Wicker in a 1982 murder for-hire scheme in Muscle Shoals. Arthur had already been convicted in 1977 of killing the sister of his common-law wife. He had been sentenced to life for that murder.
Robert Lynn Pruett -- a convicted killer already serving a life sentence, fatally stabbed prison guard Daniel Nagle with a sharpened rod while patrolling the Texas Department of Criminal Justice McConnell Unit near Beeville in South Texas. It was the first fatal attack on a Texas corrections officer since guard Minnie Houston was stabbed to death in 1984 by an inmate at the Ellis Unit near Huntsville, a prison official said.
Miguel Salas Rodriguez -- charged in the murder of a sheriff's deputy. Sgt. David M. Furrh, 40, in Dec 2000. Rodriguez had a December 1973 conviction of homicide without malice, for which he was sentenced to five years in prison. And yet ANOTHER conviction for murder in April 1979, for which he was sentenced to 70 years in prison. Rodriguez was paroled in October 1989.
Bennie Demps --condemned to the DP for the 1976 murder of Alfred Sturgis, a prison snitch. Originally, Demps was sent to death row for the murders of R.N. Brinkworth and Celia Puhlick, who were fatally shot in a Lake County citrus grove. A year after Demps was sent to death row, the U.S. Supreme Court threw out capital punishment across the country, ruling death sentences had been imposed in an arbitrary way. Another failure of the Furman-commuted murderers.
Leroy Schmitz -- convicted of strangling his live-in girlfriend in 1986, during an argument. He was sentenced to 18-20 years for that homicide. He was later convicted of murdering his wife, in Whitefish, Montana in 1999.
Vernon Sattiewhite -- In 1977, Sattiewhite had been sentenced to five years for a murder but was paroled two years later and granted clemency. In 1984, he was convicted of robbery and sentenced to two years in prison but was paroled after less than six months. Soon after he murdered his ex-girlfriend, Sandra Sorrell.
Tomas G. Ervin -- Sentenced to death in 1990, after conviction of the December 1988 murders of Mildred L. Hodges, 75, and her son, Richard E. Hodges. Bert Hunter, who was arrested along with Ervin pleaded guilty to the first-degree murder charges. Hunter and Ervin had met in the Missouri State Penitentiary, where they were both serving life sentences for previous murders.
William Michael "Billy the Kid" Mason -- killed his wife three weeks after he was paroled on another murder conviction.
Daniel Joe Hittle -- convicted of capital murder and sentenced to death for murdering a police officer Hittle, 40, was described by witnesses as a man who gleefully killed or tortured animals and who routinely beat women and children. He was on parole for the killings of his adoptive parents in Minnesota when he shot Garland police officer Gerald Walker during a traffic stop. Hittle then sped to East Dallas, where he fatally shot Mary Alice Goss, 39; Richard Joseph Cook Jr., 36; Raymond Scott Gregg, 19; and Goss' 4-year-old daughter Christy Condon.
Tony Walker -- Texas. Convicted of murder in 1978. Sentenced to 5 years. Murdered a 66 year-old woman and her 81 year-old husband in 1992. Jerome Butler -- Found guilty of the shooting of cab driver Nathan Oakley, 67. Oakley had been a Houston cab driver for 30 years. Butler had an extensive criminal history, including a 1959 conviction on two counts of robbery and assault in New York City. Butler had previously served about 10 years of a 30-year sentence after pleading guilty to the murder of A.C. Johnson, 69.
Dalton Prejean -- killed a taxi driver when he was 14, . When he was 17, he gunned down a state trooper in Lafayette, Louisiana. Despite protests from the American Civil Liberties Union and other abolitionist groups, Prejean was executed for the second murder on May 18, 1990.
Phillip Jablonski -- Carol Spadoni married Jablonski on June 16, 1982, while he was serving a prison sentence for the 1979 murder of his third wife, Melinda Kimball. After she became his pen-pal correspondent in prison. Jablonski murdered his prison pen-pal wife and her mother. And the day before those murders he had murdered Fathyma Vann, 38, in Indio, about 25 miles from Palm Springs, Vann was found shot and sexually mutilated in the desert with ``I love Jesus'' carved in her back." Now GET THIS -- See... It seems that Phillip Jablonski, now in prison after ALL those murders, placed an ad for a pen-pal -- "Jewish Death Row inmate, white, 51 years old, seeking understanding and open female or male for honest correspondence. Amateur poet, artist. Will answer all correspondence received. PHILLIP JABLONSKI, C-02477/SE95, San Quentin, CA 94974"
Jerry Michael Ward -- Originally sentenced to die in the electric chair, for committing murder with malice in the rape and murder of a Houston school girl. His sentence was commuted to life in prison when the U.S. Supreme Court abolished the death penalty in 1972. Although the death penalty was reinstated, the sentence was not. He was subsequently paroled in 1984 after serving 18 years in prison. He was the number one suspect in two new cases, involving the the disappearance of Connie Sue Cooke, and the murder of Brenda Maureen Hackett. But althought police were on the verge of arresting him, Ward committed suicide in a self-inflicted execution.
David E. Maust -- Hammond, Illinois. Murdered a 15-year-old boy in 1981. After released murdered three teenage boys, in circumstances similiar to John Wayne Gacy... burying their bodies in concrete in his basement.
James Homer Elledge -- sent to prison for life in 1975 after beating a Seattle motel owner to death with a ball-peen hammer. In the years that followed, he won parole 3 times, most recently in August 1995. prosecutors have now charged Elledge with 1st-degree murder for allegedly stabbing and strangling Eloise Jane Fitzner, 47, in a church basement.
Zeno E. Sims -- sent to prison for eight years for the murder of a 24-year-old-man. Released on parole, in Kansas City, he then murdered DeAntreia L Ashley, a 15-year-old-girl, after a minor traffic accident.
Arthur James Julius -- convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison. In 1978, he was given a brief leave from prison, during which he raped and murdered a cousin. He was sentenced to death for that crime and was executed on November 17, 1989.
In March 1979, a Graterford (Pa.) prison guard was murdered brutally by an inmate. The inmate -- at the time he murdered the guard -- already was serving a life sentence for the triple murder of two infants and an elderly woman.
In 1994, an inmate who already was serving two life sentences in the Philadelphia Industrial Correctional Center was sentenced to three more after he was convicted of stabbing three prison guards.
In 1995, two death-row inmates at the Florida State Prison in Starke were killed by their fellow inmates.
In 1999, a Beeville (Texas) prison guard was killed by an inmate already serving a sentence for murder.
On November 9, 1983 Associate U.S. Attorney General D. Lowell Jensen told a Senate subcommittee that it is impossible to punish or even deter such prison murders because, without a death sentence, a violent life-termer has free rein "to continue to murder as opportunity and his perverse motives dictate."
On October 22, 1983 at the federal penitentiary in Marion, Illinois, two prison guards were murdered in two SEPARATE instances by SEPARATE inmates who were both serving life terms for previously murdering inmates
I have been thinking the same thing throughout this entire thread Paul. Nobody ever addresses this.
However, I knew we'd get a response sooner or later... but rather than address it directly, a typical response would be to list the opposite in attempt to derail the focus of your question. Once again it was ignored. Its because they all know the answer. The system is a failure other than revenge.
what I find funny is that NOT ONE pro-death penalty person will admit that it's wrong to have it in place for the simple fact of the possibility, actually, the EVENTUALITY (because it's proven it HAS happened) that an innocent person be wrongly convicted and put to death.
people come on here supporting the death penalty "only in 100% guilty" cases. thing is, either you support the death penalty in its current form of legislation or you don't. there is no such thing as only putting those to death that are 100% guilty. it is guilty BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. THAT'S FAR FROM 100%.
until we have a system that equals Minority Report, the death penalty should not exist.
I have been thinking the same thing throughout this entire thread Paul. Nobody ever addresses this.
However, I knew we'd get a response sooner or later... but rather than address it directly, a typical response would be to list the opposite in attempt to derail the focus of your question. Once again it was ignored. Its because they all know the answer. The system is a failure other than revenge.
when a maniac stops breathing
that is relief, yes/no?
I've never felt relief for any murder.
so the system is flawed .....you ever heard of the 12 idiots ? I over heard lawyers on a few different occasions referrer to the jury by this name, once a person is convicted of murder doesn't that persons sentencing also come from a jury ? so when this happens is it the system or the people of the jury and the judge flawed ? and then there is the defense attorney who if good at his job could even get OJ off for murder and where is OJ now
I'm thinking if you had to deal with a killer you might re-think this.
I haven't been staying current on this thread, but I am sure if it hasn't been posted already that there is a list just as long or longer of people being exonerated from life sentences or death row, some even after they've been executed.
what I find funny is that NOT ONE pro-death penalty person will admit that it's wrong to have it in place for the simple fact of the possibility, actually, the EVENTUALITY (because it's proven it HAS happened) that an innocent person be wrongly convicted and put to death.
people come on here supporting the death penalty "only in 100% guilty" cases. thing is, either you support the death penalty in its current form of legislation or you don't. there is no such thing as only putting those to death that are 100% guilty. it is guilty BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. THAT'S FAR FROM 100%.
until we have a system that equals Minority Report, the death penalty should not exist.
really there is nothing funny about it.
Godfather.
John McRae -- Michigan/Florida. Life for murder of 8-year-old boy. Pedophile. Paroled 1971. Convicted of another murder of a boy after parole, in Michigan 1998. Charges pending on 2 other counts in Florida.
John Miller -- California. Killed an infant 1957, convicted of murder, 1958. Paroled 1975. Killed his parents 1975. Life term 1975.
Michael Lawrence -- Florida. Killed robbery victim. Life term, 1976. Paroled 1985. Killed robbery victim. Condemned 1990.
Donald Dillbeck -- Florida. Killed policeman in 1979. Escaped from prison in 1990, kidnapped and killed female motorist after escape. Condemned 1991.
Edward Kennedy -- Florida. Killed motel clerk. Sentenced to Life. Escaped 1981. Killed policeman and male civilian after prison break. Executed 1992.
Dawud Mu'Min -- Virginia. Killed cab driver in holdup. Sentenced 1973. Escaped 1988. Raped/killed woman 1988. Condemned 1989. Executed 1997.
Viva Nash -- Utah/Arizona. Two terms of life for murder in Utah, 1978. Escaped in 1982. Murdered again. Condemned in Arizona, 1983.
Randy Greenawalt -- Escaped from Prison in 1978, while serving a life sentence for a 1974 murder. He then murdered a family of 4 people, shotgunning them to death, including a toddler.
Norman Parker -- Florida/D.C. Life term in Florida for murder, 1966. Escaped 1978. Life on another count of murder in 1979.
Winford Stokes -- Missouri. Ruled insane on two counts of murder 1969. Escaped from asylum, 1978. Murdered again. Executed for this murder, 1990.
Charles Crawford -- Missouri. Life term in 1965 for murder. Paroled 1990. Convicted of murder again in 1994.
Jack Ferrell -- Florida. Committed Murdered 1981. 15 years to life, 1982. Paroled 1987. Murdered again 1992. Condemned 1993.
Timothy Buss -- Murdered five-year-old girl. Sentenced to 25 years in 1981. Paroled 1993. Murdered 10-year-old boy. Condemned 1996.
Martsay Bolder -- Missouri. Serving a sentence of life for first-degree murder in 1973. Murdered prison cellmate 1979.
Henry Brisbon, Illinois. Murdered 2 in robbery. Sentenced to 1000- 3000 years. Killed inmate in prison 1982. Sentenced to DP. Commuted by Governor Ryan.
Randolph Dial -- Oklahoma. Life for murder 1986. Escaped from prison with deputy warden's wife as kidnap victim. 1989. Still at large. Warden's wife never found.
Arthur J. Bomar, Jr. -- released from prison in Nevada on parole in 1990. Bomar had served 11 years of a murder sentence for killing a man over an argument about a parking space. Six years later in Pennsylvania, Bomar brutally kidnapped, raped and murdered George Mason University star athlete Aimee Willard.
Dwain Little -- Oregon. Raped/Stabbed 16-year-old girl. Life term 1966. Paroled 1974. Returned as Parole Violator 1975. Again Released 1977. Then shot family of 4. Three consecutive life terms for rape and murder 1980.
Arthur Shawcross (The 'Monster of the Rivers') -- Released after serving a 25 year sentence for a child murder, turned to murdering prostitutes. At least 10 in all. Now serving ten consecutive sentences of 25 years to life - 250 years in all.
Samuel D. Smith -- in prison for murdering Zita Casey, 79, during a burglary in St. Louis in 1978. While in prison he murdered another inmate, Marlin May, during a knife fight in 1987 in prison.
Darrell P. Pandeli -- After being released from prison after a conviction for murder, Pandeli murdered a prostitute, cut off her nipples and flushed them down the toilet. Now on DR in Arizona for that second recidivist murder.
Chad Allen Lee -- Convicted of capital murder. Sentenced to other than death. Released and went on murder spree. Murdering Linda Reynolds, a pizza delivery person, and 9 days later robbed and murdered David Lacey, a taxi cab driver. Lee then robbed a mini-market 7 days after than. Shooting the owner, Harold Drury, multiple times without reason.
Scott Lehr -- Convicted of capital murder. Sentenced to other than death. Later released. After release, between Feb 91 and Feb 92 lured 10 different female victims, between the ages of 10 and 48-years-old, into his car. Raping and beating them unconscious, stripped and adandoned them in the desert. Three of his victims died in those acts.
James Erin McKinney -- Convicted of capital murder. Sentenced to other than death. Later released. Then murdered Christine Mertens in a home invasion robbery. Later murdered James McClain in another separate home invasion robbery.
Michael Murdaugh -- Convicted of capital murder. Sentenced to other than death. Later released. After release murdered David Reynolds. Beating him to death. When 'dumping' the body, Murdaugh severed Reynold's head and hands, pulled out his teeth, and buried the body parts.
Charles Daniels -- was convicted and sentenced to Life for the 1965 rape and murder of a Louisiana woman. Later having his sentence commuted, he was release. And he again killed another woman, 32-year-old Debbie Tatum.
Jarmarr Arnold -- who, while on DR, murdered another DR inmate by stabbing him in the forehead with a sharpen spike. Proving that not even a death sentence can prevent murder until the sentence is carried out.
Robert Lee Massie -- Sentenced to the DP, but overturned by Furman, which resulted in him committing further new murders.
Kenneth McDuff - Sentenced to the DP, but overturned by Furman. Subsequently released, and murdered as many as 19 young women after his release. Finally executed in 1998 for the murder of Melissa Ann Northrup see ... Who once remarked "Killing a woman is like killing a chicken. They both squawk."
Darryl Kemp -- Sentenced to the DP, but overturned by Furman. Subsequently released. Authorities now say he raped and strangled a woman jogging, less than 4 months later.
Timothy Hancock -- Serving a life sentence for a murder he committed in 1990, murdered his cellmate, Jason Wagner, in November 2000, while serving his life sentence.
Howard Allen -- murdered an elderly woman.. Opal Cooper, in Aug 1974, and was sentenced to 21 years in prison. By January 1985, less than ten years after being incarcerated, Howard Allen was released. On May 20, 1987 Howard Allen broke into the home of eighty-seven year old Laverne Hale, and savagely beat her to death. Six weeks later Allen struck again. On July 13, 1987 Howard Allen knocked on the door of Ernestine Griffin. At lunchtime the following day she was found murdered. On June 11, 1988 Allen was found guilty was found guilty of Ernestine’s murder.
Melvin Geary -- originally sentenced to L wop, for the stabbing death of a woman in 1973 with a boning knife. Changed to Life.. released... After his release, Geary was subsequently convicted of murdering 71-year-old Edward Colvin of Sparks, again with a boning knife after Colvin took him in.
William Coday Jr. -- convicted of murdering 19-year-old Lisa Hullinger in September 1978. After spending just 15 months in a German prison, he was released. In April 2002, he was convicted of having murdered Gloria Gomez on 13 July, 1997.
Corey R. Barton -- In 1983 he murdered 16-year-old Shari-Ann Merton. He received 18 years in prison. He was released after serving 9 years and 8 months. In November 1998, he murdered 27 year-old Sally Harris of North Carolina.
Cuhuatemoc Hinricky Peraita -- Rainbow City, Alabama, who was serving life without parole for 3 murders in Gadsden, Alabama was found guilty of capital murder for murdering a fellow inmate.
James Prestridge -- Sentenced to L wop, for murdering Esfandiar Ateighechi, as he begged for his life in 1989. Escaped from prison along with John Doran. After their escape Prestridge murdered his fellow-escapee John Doran, shooting him in the back of the head.
Jimmy Lee Gray -- who was free on parole from an Arizona conviction for killing a 16-year-old high school girl, kidnapped, sodomized, and suffocated a three-year-old Mississippi girl.
Jack Henry Abbott, who had murdered a fellow prison inmate, was released early from a Utah prison. On July 18, 1981, six-weeks after his release, Abbott stabbed actor Richard Adan to death in New York.
Benny Lee Chaffin, on December 7, 1984 kidnapped, raped, and murdered a 9-year-old Springfield, Oregon girl. He had been convicted of murder once before in Texas, but not executed.
Thomas Eugene Creech, who had been convicted of three murders and had claimed a role in more than 40 killings in 13 states as a paid killer for a motorcycle gang, killed a fellow prison inmate in 1981 and was sentenced to death.
Wayne Henry Garrison, 42, was convicted of 1st-degree murder in the death of Justin Wiles 13, of Tulsa. As a teenager, Garrison had killed two children in Tulsa. Police earlier said the circumstances of those killings were similar to Justin's death.
Tommy Arthur -- sentenced to die in Alabama's electric chair for killing Troy Wicker in a 1982 murder for-hire scheme in Muscle Shoals. Arthur had already been convicted in 1977 of killing the sister of his common-law wife. He had been sentenced to life for that murder.
Robert Lynn Pruett -- a convicted killer already serving a life sentence, fatally stabbed prison guard Daniel Nagle with a sharpened rod while patrolling the Texas Department of Criminal Justice McConnell Unit near Beeville in South Texas. It was the first fatal attack on a Texas corrections officer since guard Minnie Houston was stabbed to death in 1984 by an inmate at the Ellis Unit near Huntsville, a prison official said.
Miguel Salas Rodriguez -- charged in the murder of a sheriff's deputy. Sgt. David M. Furrh, 40, in Dec 2000. Rodriguez had a December 1973 conviction of homicide without malice, for which he was sentenced to five years in prison. And yet ANOTHER conviction for murder in April 1979, for which he was sentenced to 70 years in prison. Rodriguez was paroled in October 1989.
Bennie Demps --condemned to the DP for the 1976 murder of Alfred Sturgis, a prison snitch. Originally, Demps was sent to death row for the murders of R.N. Brinkworth and Celia Puhlick, who were fatally shot in a Lake County citrus grove. A year after Demps was sent to death row, the U.S. Supreme Court threw out capital punishment across the country, ruling death sentences had been imposed in an arbitrary way. Another failure of the Furman-commuted murderers.
Leroy Schmitz -- convicted of strangling his live-in girlfriend in 1986, during an argument. He was sentenced to 18-20 years for that homicide. He was later convicted of murdering his wife, in Whitefish, Montana in 1999.
Vernon Sattiewhite -- In 1977, Sattiewhite had been sentenced to five years for a murder but was paroled two years later and granted clemency. In 1984, he was convicted of robbery and sentenced to two years in prison but was paroled after less than six months. Soon after he murdered his ex-girlfriend, Sandra Sorrell.
Tomas G. Ervin -- Sentenced to death in 1990, after conviction of the December 1988 murders of Mildred L. Hodges, 75, and her son, Richard E. Hodges. Bert Hunter, who was arrested along with Ervin pleaded guilty to the first-degree murder charges. Hunter and Ervin had met in the Missouri State Penitentiary, where they were both serving life sentences for previous murders.
William Michael "Billy the Kid" Mason -- killed his wife three weeks after he was paroled on another murder conviction.
Daniel Joe Hittle -- convicted of capital murder and sentenced to death for murdering a police officer Hittle, 40, was described by witnesses as a man who gleefully killed or tortured animals and who routinely beat women and children. He was on parole for the killings of his adoptive parents in Minnesota when he shot Garland police officer Gerald Walker during a traffic stop. Hittle then sped to East Dallas, where he fatally shot Mary Alice Goss, 39; Richard Joseph Cook Jr., 36; Raymond Scott Gregg, 19; and Goss' 4-year-old daughter Christy Condon.
Tony Walker -- Texas. Convicted of murder in 1978. Sentenced to 5 years. Murdered a 66 year-old woman and her 81 year-old husband in 1992. Jerome Butler -- Found guilty of the shooting of cab driver Nathan Oakley, 67. Oakley had been a Houston cab driver for 30 years. Butler had an extensive criminal history, including a 1959 conviction on two counts of robbery and assault in New York City. Butler had previously served about 10 years of a 30-year sentence after pleading guilty to the murder of A.C. Johnson, 69.
Dalton Prejean -- killed a taxi driver when he was 14, . When he was 17, he gunned down a state trooper in Lafayette, Louisiana. Despite protests from the American Civil Liberties Union and other abolitionist groups, Prejean was executed for the second murder on May 18, 1990.
Phillip Jablonski -- Carol Spadoni married Jablonski on June 16, 1982, while he was serving a prison sentence for the 1979 murder of his third wife, Melinda Kimball. After she became his pen-pal correspondent in prison. Jablonski murdered his prison pen-pal wife and her mother. And the day before those murders he had murdered Fathyma Vann, 38, in Indio, about 25 miles from Palm Springs, Vann was found shot and sexually mutilated in the desert with ``I love Jesus'' carved in her back." Now GET THIS -- See... It seems that Phillip Jablonski, now in prison after ALL those murders, placed an ad for a pen-pal -- "Jewish Death Row inmate, white, 51 years old, seeking understanding and open female or male for honest correspondence. Amateur poet, artist. Will answer all correspondence received. PHILLIP JABLONSKI, C-02477/SE95, San Quentin, CA 94974"
Jerry Michael Ward -- Originally sentenced to die in the electric chair, for committing murder with malice in the rape and murder of a Houston school girl. His sentence was commuted to life in prison when the U.S. Supreme Court abolished the death penalty in 1972. Although the death penalty was reinstated, the sentence was not. He was subsequently paroled in 1984 after serving 18 years in prison. He was the number one suspect in two new cases, involving the the disappearance of Connie Sue Cooke, and the murder of Brenda Maureen Hackett. But althought police were on the verge of arresting him, Ward committed suicide in a self-inflicted execution.
David E. Maust -- Hammond, Illinois. Murdered a 15-year-old boy in 1981. After released murdered three teenage boys, in circumstances similiar to John Wayne Gacy... burying their bodies in concrete in his basement.
James Homer Elledge -- sent to prison for life in 1975 after beating a Seattle motel owner to death with a ball-peen hammer. In the years that followed, he won parole 3 times, most recently in August 1995. prosecutors have now charged Elledge with 1st-degree murder for allegedly stabbing and strangling Eloise Jane Fitzner, 47, in a church basement.
Zeno E. Sims -- sent to prison for eight years for the murder of a 24-year-old-man. Released on parole, in Kansas City, he then murdered DeAntreia L Ashley, a 15-year-old-girl, after a minor traffic accident.
Arthur James Julius -- convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison. In 1978, he was given a brief leave from prison, during which he raped and murdered a cousin. He was sentenced to death for that crime and was executed on November 17, 1989.
In March 1979, a Graterford (Pa.) prison guard was murdered brutally by an inmate. The inmate -- at the time he murdered the guard -- already was serving a life sentence for the triple murder of two infants and an elderly woman.
In 1994, an inmate who already was serving two life sentences in the Philadelphia Industrial Correctional Center was sentenced to three more after he was convicted of stabbing three prison guards.
In 1995, two death-row inmates at the Florida State Prison in Starke were killed by their fellow inmates.
In 1999, a Beeville (Texas) prison guard was killed by an inmate already serving a sentence for murder.
On November 9, 1983 Associate U.S. Attorney General D. Lowell Jensen told a Senate subcommittee that it is impossible to punish or even deter such prison murders because, without a death sentence, a violent life-termer has free rein "to continue to murder as opportunity and his perverse motives dictate."
On October 22, 1983 at the federal penitentiary in Marion, Illinois, two prison guards were murdered in two SEPARATE instances by SEPARATE inmates who were both serving life terms for previously murdering inmates
that is quite a sick list.
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this is why we have the death penalty Bro,"some people you just can't reach..so ya get what we got here today"
it wasn't ever a killing of self defense for that nut case so yes his death was good thing.
Godfather.
Again, you are expressing nothing here other than your opinion. There is no logical connection from whether or not it was self-defence to whether there are specific postitive social outcomes to his murder. You are still not answering the question, or logically justifying your position.
when you or chadwick base your support for the death penalty your (justifiable) revulsion at what these people have done, you are calling not for justice, but for vengeance, for retribution. No society that bases itself on retribution over justice can call itself a civilised society, in my book.
And with regard to justifying the death penalty because jailed murderers have killed again, I think there are far more reasonable and intelligent responses to flaws in the system that enable murderers to kill again, than just killing them. At the end of the day, you've still got a broken system, and you still have dead people. You haven't achieved anything.
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ay yai yai. still avoiding the question. why won't you answer it, GF?
sentencing comes from the judge and the jury, depending on which state you live in. the judge and jury are part of the sytem which is flawed. humans are flawed by nature. so the system is and always will be flawed. we can only do our best. the case and point of why the death penalty should be abolished.
and yes, if I had to "deal with a killer" my opinion might change, but I doubt it. so what? emotion and/or personal experience should NOT come into play for policy.
what I find funny is that NOT ONE pro-death penalty person will admit that it's wrong to have it in place for the simple fact of the possibility, actually, the EVENTUALITY (because it's proven it HAS happened) that an innocent person be wrongly convicted and put to death.
people come on here supporting the death penalty "only in 100% guilty" cases. thing is, either you support the death penalty in its current form of legislation or you don't. there is no such thing as only putting those to death that are 100% guilty. it is guilty BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. THAT'S FAR FROM 100%.
until we have a system that equals Minority Report, the death penalty should not exist.
I have been thinking the same thing throughout this entire thread Paul. Nobody ever addresses this.
However, I knew we'd get a response sooner or later... but rather than address it directly, a typical response would be to list the opposite in attempt to derail the focus of your question. Once again it was ignored. Its because they all know the answer. The system is a failure other than revenge.
when a maniac stops breathing
that is relief, yes/no?
I've never felt relief for any murder.
so the system is flawed .....you ever heard of the 12 idiots ? I over heard lawyers on a few different occasions referrer to the jury by this name, once a person is convicted of murder doesn't that persons sentencing also come from a jury ? so when this happens is it the system or the people of the jury and the judge flawed ? and then there is the defense attorney who if good at his job could even get OJ off for murder and where is OJ now
I'm thinking if you had to deal with a killer you might re-think this.
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odd...
when something evil is no longer breathing
to me this is relief
I can understand that you feel relief, we're just different, and that is fine of course.
But let me ask you this, please answer:
What kind of feeling do you get when you think of Ray Krone, who was exonerated from death row?
or Cameron Todd Willingham who might be innocent?
odd...
when something evil is no longer breathing
to me this is relief
I can understand that you feel relief, we're just different, and that is fine of course.
But let me ask you this, please answer:
What kind of feeling do you get when you think of Ray Krone, who was exonerated from death row?
or Cameron Todd Willingham who might be innocent?
never heard of those two guys
if they are innocent that is both good and bad
system suck.
now they can get on with their lives.
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I just can't grasp that kind of mentality. if that one innocent person was your son/daughter/wife/mother/father/cousin/friend/whoever you'd say "you win some, you lose some"?
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Explain to me why it's necessary. It seems that more and more countries are realising that not only is it not necessary, it it not justifiable. In fact, the United States is the only developed western nation that has yet to realise that it's not necessary.
I've read about very many capital cases over the years - including many where the guilt was undeniable - and I have yet to come across a single one where I would say it is "necessary" that that person is killed by the state. Nor have I ever heard a single report of any specific social good to result from an execution.
No, rather than being necessary, the death penalty is arbitrary, capricious, prejudicial, exorbitantly expensive, and fundamentally unjust. It demeans any society when, rather than taking a civilised and sober approach in its treatment of prisoners, it stoops to retributive vengeance crudely disguised as justice. It is no such thing.
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"I ever heard a single report of any specific social good to result from an execution."
jeffery domer was murdered in prison but just the same his death was a social good.
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I assume you're talking about Jeffrey Dahmer.
Unless you can back that up, unless you objectively explain and illustrate how his murder was a social good (and keep in mind here, we're talking about state-sanctioned capital punishment here, not murder in prison, so his case actually isn't relevant to this discussion), then this is just your opinion. Either way, the question still stands - why is the death penalty necessary?
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some people kill with out remorse for no reason other than to enjoy the kill, they stalk their victims and wait for the opportunity to kill them and this happens to people from all ages and walks of life...they are killed just cause the killer has a need to feel the power of taking a life and putting these killers in prison endangers the life of other prisoners is that o.k ? also life in prison means 25 years in most prisons and then these killers are up for parole and to possibly be put back into their hunting grounds in the public to kill again.
also "Jeffery Dahmer" killed and ate his victims (young boys) also had body parts in the refrigerator and in bags around his apartment..it wasn't ever a killing of self defense for that nut case so yes his death was good thing.
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Think about it.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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cold blooded killers are not the only folks
that can be put to death.
serial rapists and child molesters... done
they never murdered anyone... they have however crossed a major line
fire up the needle, the bullet, the chair
whatever...
nothing wrong with offing the worst fuckers
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^^^^^ case in point..
"i have firmly and clearly stated my position over the course of 80 something pages of this thread. who is digging for direct insults? i am stating my opinion on this topic where if you read back in this thread people have posted poetry about fanticizing about killing prisoners, and have basically gotten off on it and i find that disgusting. it is my opinion that a good number of those people who support the death penalty are sick and have some sort of mental disfunction. if a person supports it i think they are the sick one, not me. if you support the death penalty you support murder, which is the exact same thing the death penalty is supposed to deter and punish people who have murdered. that is it. i would also go as far to state that a good number of people who support capital punishment also crave retribution and revenge. and why is it that the people who are the loudest in advocating capital punishment have no dog in the fight, as in they have not had a family member murdered and are not directly involved in any of these cases....
and we have executed innocent people, and in texas mentally retarded people, and even women. if one innocent person is murdered by the state, the blood is on all of our hands and the system is broken...
nobody has advocated taking ax murderers out of prison or putting them into the general prison population...jeez....how about putting them in 23 hour lockdown in a supermax? yeah that sucks, but at least they will not be put to death in my name with that execution being paid for by my tax dollars."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
people come on here supporting the death penalty "only in 100% guilty" cases. thing is, either you support the death penalty in its current form of legislation or you don't. there is no such thing as only putting those to death that are 100% guilty. it is guilty BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. THAT'S FAR FROM 100%.
until we have a system that equals Minority Report, the death penalty should not exist.
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that's as simple as it gets.
when a maniac stops breathing
that is relief, yes/no?
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I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
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writing poetry kicks ass
ever write any?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
really there is nothing funny about it.
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John McRae -- Michigan/Florida. Life for murder of 8-year-old boy. Pedophile. Paroled 1971. Convicted of another murder of a boy after parole, in Michigan 1998. Charges pending on 2 other counts in Florida.
John Miller -- California. Killed an infant 1957, convicted of murder, 1958. Paroled 1975. Killed his parents 1975. Life term 1975.
Michael Lawrence -- Florida. Killed robbery victim. Life term, 1976. Paroled 1985. Killed robbery victim. Condemned 1990.
Donald Dillbeck -- Florida. Killed policeman in 1979. Escaped from prison in 1990, kidnapped and killed female motorist after escape. Condemned 1991.
Edward Kennedy -- Florida. Killed motel clerk. Sentenced to Life. Escaped 1981. Killed policeman and male civilian after prison break. Executed 1992.
Dawud Mu'Min -- Virginia. Killed cab driver in holdup. Sentenced 1973. Escaped 1988. Raped/killed woman 1988. Condemned 1989. Executed 1997.
Viva Nash -- Utah/Arizona. Two terms of life for murder in Utah, 1978. Escaped in 1982. Murdered again. Condemned in Arizona, 1983.
Randy Greenawalt -- Escaped from Prison in 1978, while serving a life sentence for a 1974 murder. He then murdered a family of 4 people, shotgunning them to death, including a toddler.
Norman Parker -- Florida/D.C. Life term in Florida for murder, 1966. Escaped 1978. Life on another count of murder in 1979.
Winford Stokes -- Missouri. Ruled insane on two counts of murder 1969. Escaped from asylum, 1978. Murdered again. Executed for this murder, 1990.
Charles Crawford -- Missouri. Life term in 1965 for murder. Paroled 1990. Convicted of murder again in 1994.
Jack Ferrell -- Florida. Committed Murdered 1981. 15 years to life, 1982. Paroled 1987. Murdered again 1992. Condemned 1993.
Timothy Buss -- Murdered five-year-old girl. Sentenced to 25 years in 1981. Paroled 1993. Murdered 10-year-old boy. Condemned 1996.
Martsay Bolder -- Missouri. Serving a sentence of life for first-degree murder in 1973. Murdered prison cellmate 1979.
Henry Brisbon, Illinois. Murdered 2 in robbery. Sentenced to 1000- 3000 years. Killed inmate in prison 1982. Sentenced to DP. Commuted by Governor Ryan.
Randolph Dial -- Oklahoma. Life for murder 1986. Escaped from prison with deputy warden's wife as kidnap victim. 1989. Still at large. Warden's wife never found.
Arthur J. Bomar, Jr. -- released from prison in Nevada on parole in 1990. Bomar had served 11 years of a murder sentence for killing a man over an argument about a parking space. Six years later in Pennsylvania, Bomar brutally kidnapped, raped and murdered George Mason University star athlete Aimee Willard.
Dwain Little -- Oregon. Raped/Stabbed 16-year-old girl. Life term 1966. Paroled 1974. Returned as Parole Violator 1975. Again Released 1977. Then shot family of 4. Three consecutive life terms for rape and murder 1980.
Arthur Shawcross (The 'Monster of the Rivers') -- Released after serving a 25 year sentence for a child murder, turned to murdering prostitutes. At least 10 in all. Now serving ten consecutive sentences of 25 years to life - 250 years in all.
Samuel D. Smith -- in prison for murdering Zita Casey, 79, during a burglary in St. Louis in 1978. While in prison he murdered another inmate, Marlin May, during a knife fight in 1987 in prison.
Darrell P. Pandeli -- After being released from prison after a conviction for murder, Pandeli murdered a prostitute, cut off her nipples and flushed them down the toilet. Now on DR in Arizona for that second recidivist murder.
Chad Allen Lee -- Convicted of capital murder. Sentenced to other than death. Released and went on murder spree. Murdering Linda Reynolds, a pizza delivery person, and 9 days later robbed and murdered David Lacey, a taxi cab driver. Lee then robbed a mini-market 7 days after than. Shooting the owner, Harold Drury, multiple times without reason.
Scott Lehr -- Convicted of capital murder. Sentenced to other than death. Later released. After release, between Feb 91 and Feb 92 lured 10 different female victims, between the ages of 10 and 48-years-old, into his car. Raping and beating them unconscious, stripped and adandoned them in the desert. Three of his victims died in those acts.
James Erin McKinney -- Convicted of capital murder. Sentenced to other than death. Later released. Then murdered Christine Mertens in a home invasion robbery. Later murdered James McClain in another separate home invasion robbery.
Michael Murdaugh -- Convicted of capital murder. Sentenced to other than death. Later released. After release murdered David Reynolds. Beating him to death. When 'dumping' the body, Murdaugh severed Reynold's head and hands, pulled out his teeth, and buried the body parts.
Charles Daniels -- was convicted and sentenced to Life for the 1965 rape and murder of a Louisiana woman. Later having his sentence commuted, he was release. And he again killed another woman, 32-year-old Debbie Tatum.
Jarmarr Arnold -- who, while on DR, murdered another DR inmate by stabbing him in the forehead with a sharpen spike. Proving that not even a death sentence can prevent murder until the sentence is carried out.
Robert Lee Massie -- Sentenced to the DP, but overturned by Furman, which resulted in him committing further new murders.
Kenneth McDuff - Sentenced to the DP, but overturned by Furman. Subsequently released, and murdered as many as 19 young women after his release. Finally executed in 1998 for the murder of Melissa Ann Northrup see ... Who once remarked "Killing a woman is like killing a chicken. They both squawk."
Darryl Kemp -- Sentenced to the DP, but overturned by Furman. Subsequently released. Authorities now say he raped and strangled a woman jogging, less than 4 months later.
Timothy Hancock -- Serving a life sentence for a murder he committed in 1990, murdered his cellmate, Jason Wagner, in November 2000, while serving his life sentence.
Howard Allen -- murdered an elderly woman.. Opal Cooper, in Aug 1974, and was sentenced to 21 years in prison. By January 1985, less than ten years after being incarcerated, Howard Allen was released. On May 20, 1987 Howard Allen broke into the home of eighty-seven year old Laverne Hale, and savagely beat her to death. Six weeks later Allen struck again. On July 13, 1987 Howard Allen knocked on the door of Ernestine Griffin. At lunchtime the following day she was found murdered. On June 11, 1988 Allen was found guilty was found guilty of Ernestine’s murder.
Melvin Geary -- originally sentenced to L wop, for the stabbing death of a woman in 1973 with a boning knife. Changed to Life.. released... After his release, Geary was subsequently convicted of murdering 71-year-old Edward Colvin of Sparks, again with a boning knife after Colvin took him in.
William Coday Jr. -- convicted of murdering 19-year-old Lisa Hullinger in September 1978. After spending just 15 months in a German prison, he was released. In April 2002, he was convicted of having murdered Gloria Gomez on 13 July, 1997.
Corey R. Barton -- In 1983 he murdered 16-year-old Shari-Ann Merton. He received 18 years in prison. He was released after serving 9 years and 8 months. In November 1998, he murdered 27 year-old Sally Harris of North Carolina.
Cuhuatemoc Hinricky Peraita -- Rainbow City, Alabama, who was serving life without parole for 3 murders in Gadsden, Alabama was found guilty of capital murder for murdering a fellow inmate.
James Prestridge -- Sentenced to L wop, for murdering Esfandiar Ateighechi, as he begged for his life in 1989. Escaped from prison along with John Doran. After their escape Prestridge murdered his fellow-escapee John Doran, shooting him in the back of the head.
Jimmy Lee Gray -- who was free on parole from an Arizona conviction for killing a 16-year-old high school girl, kidnapped, sodomized, and suffocated a three-year-old Mississippi girl.
Jack Henry Abbott, who had murdered a fellow prison inmate, was released early from a Utah prison. On July 18, 1981, six-weeks after his release, Abbott stabbed actor Richard Adan to death in New York.
Benny Lee Chaffin, on December 7, 1984 kidnapped, raped, and murdered a 9-year-old Springfield, Oregon girl. He had been convicted of murder once before in Texas, but not executed.
Thomas Eugene Creech, who had been convicted of three murders and had claimed a role in more than 40 killings in 13 states as a paid killer for a motorcycle gang, killed a fellow prison inmate in 1981 and was sentenced to death.
Wayne Henry Garrison, 42, was convicted of 1st-degree murder in the death of Justin Wiles 13, of Tulsa. As a teenager, Garrison had killed two children in Tulsa. Police earlier said the circumstances of those killings were similar to Justin's death.
Tommy Arthur -- sentenced to die in Alabama's electric chair for killing Troy Wicker in a 1982 murder for-hire scheme in Muscle Shoals. Arthur had already been convicted in 1977 of killing the sister of his common-law wife. He had been sentenced to life for that murder.
Robert Lynn Pruett -- a convicted killer already serving a life sentence, fatally stabbed prison guard Daniel Nagle with a sharpened rod while patrolling the Texas Department of Criminal Justice McConnell Unit near Beeville in South Texas. It was the first fatal attack on a Texas corrections officer since guard Minnie Houston was stabbed to death in 1984 by an inmate at the Ellis Unit near Huntsville, a prison official said.
Miguel Salas Rodriguez -- charged in the murder of a sheriff's deputy. Sgt. David M. Furrh, 40, in Dec 2000. Rodriguez had a December 1973 conviction of homicide without malice, for which he was sentenced to five years in prison. And yet ANOTHER conviction for murder in April 1979, for which he was sentenced to 70 years in prison. Rodriguez was paroled in October 1989.
Bennie Demps --condemned to the DP for the 1976 murder of Alfred Sturgis, a prison snitch. Originally, Demps was sent to death row for the murders of R.N. Brinkworth and Celia Puhlick, who were fatally shot in a Lake County citrus grove. A year after Demps was sent to death row, the U.S. Supreme Court threw out capital punishment across the country, ruling death sentences had been imposed in an arbitrary way. Another failure of the Furman-commuted murderers.
Leroy Schmitz -- convicted of strangling his live-in girlfriend in 1986, during an argument. He was sentenced to 18-20 years for that homicide. He was later convicted of murdering his wife, in Whitefish, Montana in 1999.
Vernon Sattiewhite -- In 1977, Sattiewhite had been sentenced to five years for a murder but was paroled two years later and granted clemency. In 1984, he was convicted of robbery and sentenced to two years in prison but was paroled after less than six months. Soon after he murdered his ex-girlfriend, Sandra Sorrell.
Tomas G. Ervin -- Sentenced to death in 1990, after conviction of the December 1988 murders of Mildred L. Hodges, 75, and her son, Richard E. Hodges. Bert Hunter, who was arrested along with Ervin pleaded guilty to the first-degree murder charges. Hunter and Ervin had met in the Missouri State Penitentiary, where they were both serving life sentences for previous murders.
William Michael "Billy the Kid" Mason -- killed his wife three weeks after he was paroled on another murder conviction.
Daniel Joe Hittle -- convicted of capital murder and sentenced to death for murdering a police officer Hittle, 40, was described by witnesses as a man who gleefully killed or tortured animals and who routinely beat women and children. He was on parole for the killings of his adoptive parents in Minnesota when he shot Garland police officer Gerald Walker during a traffic stop. Hittle then sped to East Dallas, where he fatally shot Mary Alice Goss, 39; Richard Joseph Cook Jr., 36; Raymond Scott Gregg, 19; and Goss' 4-year-old daughter Christy Condon.
Tony Walker -- Texas. Convicted of murder in 1978. Sentenced to 5 years. Murdered a 66 year-old woman and her 81 year-old husband in 1992. Jerome Butler -- Found guilty of the shooting of cab driver Nathan Oakley, 67. Oakley had been a Houston cab driver for 30 years. Butler had an extensive criminal history, including a 1959 conviction on two counts of robbery and assault in New York City. Butler had previously served about 10 years of a 30-year sentence after pleading guilty to the murder of A.C. Johnson, 69.
Dalton Prejean -- killed a taxi driver when he was 14, . When he was 17, he gunned down a state trooper in Lafayette, Louisiana. Despite protests from the American Civil Liberties Union and other abolitionist groups, Prejean was executed for the second murder on May 18, 1990.
Phillip Jablonski -- Carol Spadoni married Jablonski on June 16, 1982, while he was serving a prison sentence for the 1979 murder of his third wife, Melinda Kimball. After she became his pen-pal correspondent in prison. Jablonski murdered his prison pen-pal wife and her mother. And the day before those murders he had murdered Fathyma Vann, 38, in Indio, about 25 miles from Palm Springs, Vann was found shot and sexually mutilated in the desert with ``I love Jesus'' carved in her back." Now GET THIS -- See... It seems that Phillip Jablonski, now in prison after ALL those murders, placed an ad for a pen-pal -- "Jewish Death Row inmate, white, 51 years old, seeking understanding and open female or male for honest correspondence. Amateur poet, artist. Will answer all correspondence received. PHILLIP JABLONSKI, C-02477/SE95, San Quentin, CA 94974"
Jerry Michael Ward -- Originally sentenced to die in the electric chair, for committing murder with malice in the rape and murder of a Houston school girl. His sentence was commuted to life in prison when the U.S. Supreme Court abolished the death penalty in 1972. Although the death penalty was reinstated, the sentence was not. He was subsequently paroled in 1984 after serving 18 years in prison. He was the number one suspect in two new cases, involving the the disappearance of Connie Sue Cooke, and the murder of Brenda Maureen Hackett. But althought police were on the verge of arresting him, Ward committed suicide in a self-inflicted execution.
David E. Maust -- Hammond, Illinois. Murdered a 15-year-old boy in 1981. After released murdered three teenage boys, in circumstances similiar to John Wayne Gacy... burying their bodies in concrete in his basement.
James Homer Elledge -- sent to prison for life in 1975 after beating a Seattle motel owner to death with a ball-peen hammer. In the years that followed, he won parole 3 times, most recently in August 1995. prosecutors have now charged Elledge with 1st-degree murder for allegedly stabbing and strangling Eloise Jane Fitzner, 47, in a church basement.
Zeno E. Sims -- sent to prison for eight years for the murder of a 24-year-old-man. Released on parole, in Kansas City, he then murdered DeAntreia L Ashley, a 15-year-old-girl, after a minor traffic accident.
Arthur James Julius -- convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison. In 1978, he was given a brief leave from prison, during which he raped and murdered a cousin. He was sentenced to death for that crime and was executed on November 17, 1989.
In March 1979, a Graterford (Pa.) prison guard was murdered brutally by an inmate. The inmate -- at the time he murdered the guard -- already was serving a life sentence for the triple murder of two infants and an elderly woman.
In 1994, an inmate who already was serving two life sentences in the Philadelphia Industrial Correctional Center was sentenced to three more after he was convicted of stabbing three prison guards.
In 1995, two death-row inmates at the Florida State Prison in Starke were killed by their fellow inmates.
In 1999, a Beeville (Texas) prison guard was killed by an inmate already serving a sentence for murder.
On November 9, 1983 Associate U.S. Attorney General D. Lowell Jensen told a Senate subcommittee that it is impossible to punish or even deter such prison murders because, without a death sentence, a violent life-termer has free rein "to continue to murder as opportunity and his perverse motives dictate."
On October 22, 1983 at the federal penitentiary in Marion, Illinois, two prison guards were murdered in two SEPARATE instances by SEPARATE inmates who were both serving life terms for previously murdering inmates
I have been thinking the same thing throughout this entire thread Paul. Nobody ever addresses this.
However, I knew we'd get a response sooner or later... but rather than address it directly, a typical response would be to list the opposite in attempt to derail the focus of your question. Once again it was ignored. Its because they all know the answer. The system is a failure other than revenge.
I've never felt relief for any murder.
once again, GF, you completely ignore the context of the actual comment and list a bunch of arbirtrary situations that have nothing to do with the question.
DOES KILLING THE GUILTY JUSTIFY KILLING AN INNOCENT MAN ON DEATH ROW???
YES OR NO?
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that is quite a sick list.
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I am tired; my heart is
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odd...
when something evil is no longer breathing
to me this is relief
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
so the system is flawed .....you ever heard of the 12 idiots ? I over heard lawyers on a few different occasions referrer to the jury by this name, once a person is convicted of murder doesn't that persons sentencing also come from a jury ? so when this happens is it the system or the people of the jury and the judge flawed ? and then there is the defense attorney who if good at his job could even get OJ off for murder and where is OJ now
I'm thinking if you had to deal with a killer you might re-think this.
Godfather.
Killing is wrong. No matter who the victim.
this is why we have the death penalty Bro,"some people you just can't reach..so ya get what we got here today"
Godfather.
Again, you are expressing nothing here other than your opinion. There is no logical connection from whether or not it was self-defence to whether there are specific postitive social outcomes to his murder. You are still not answering the question, or logically justifying your position.
when you or chadwick base your support for the death penalty your (justifiable) revulsion at what these people have done, you are calling not for justice, but for vengeance, for retribution. No society that bases itself on retribution over justice can call itself a civilised society, in my book.
And with regard to justifying the death penalty because jailed murderers have killed again, I think there are far more reasonable and intelligent responses to flaws in the system that enable murderers to kill again, than just killing them. At the end of the day, you've still got a broken system, and you still have dead people. You haven't achieved anything.
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sentencing comes from the judge and the jury, depending on which state you live in. the judge and jury are part of the sytem which is flawed. humans are flawed by nature. so the system is and always will be flawed. we can only do our best. the case and point of why the death penalty should be abolished.
and yes, if I had to "deal with a killer" my opinion might change, but I doubt it. so what? emotion and/or personal experience should NOT come into play for policy.
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you offed a piece of garbage.
this helps people sleep better at night.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I can understand that you feel relief, we're just different, and that is fine of course.
But let me ask you this, please answer:
What kind of feeling do you get when you think of Ray Krone, who was exonerated from death row?
or Cameron Todd Willingham who might be innocent?
if they are innocent that is both good and bad
system suck.
now they can get on with their lives.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce