the death penalty

SolarWorld

Thanks SCB, appreciate it.

ed243421

Byrnzie wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

As far as I'm concerned if you support the death penalty then you are no better than the sickest of all sick fucks.

If you support the clinical snuffing out of a life in the name of 'justice' then you are the worst kind of hypocrite and represent everything that's wrong with the human race.

Kinda harsh, no?

I can't help but feel like some people do not deserve to live any longer and others need to be protected from them.

But I see the point of others as well. I usually am just about to give up my support of it and then some jackass shoots his 6 month old kid in front of people. Cut and dry case...definitely guilty. And it makes it hard to say that he shouldn't be put to death.

Murder the murderer?

Someone may shoot their kid, and for what reason? Could that individual be considered sane? Probably not. Whatever way you look at it, to then carry out a pre-meditated, clinical snuffing out of this individuals life makes you worse in my opinion. At least a child murderer has insanity as his excuse. What's your excuse? (And I don't mean 'you' personally).

Those who support the death penalty place themselves on some sort of higher pedestal in the name of justice. But it's a pretty warped and perverse sense of justice. The kind of murder involved in a state execution is just as - if not more - depraved than any other type of murder outside of those prison walls, simply for the fact that it's carried out in the name of something supposedly 'good', 'decent', and 'just'. It reeks of the lowest kind of hypocrisy.

Any murder is a tragedy, but it's also a tragedy for the murderer in my opinion. That murderer was a child once. Whenever such a thing occurs I think society needs to take a good look at itself, as opposed to simply wetting it's lips over the prospect of watching another individual fry.

so you can excuse a child-murderer if someone tells you he is insane?
and what if the murderer is a normal sane person?
do you excuse him?
"it's carried out in the name of something supposedly 'good', 'decent', and 'just'"??
i don't see it that way
i believe it's carried out in the name of something "horrible, "indecent, and "unjust"
the murder itself
and a tradgedy for the murderer???
so you would have felt pain if dahmer had been executed?
or gacy?
or hitler?
you do know hitler was a child once too
atta was a child once
should we forgive him for 9-11?

i think it's hypocritical to worry about everything that is wrong with the human race
and support and give excuses to murderers who have clearly decided that they no longer want to be a part of it

Hugh Freaking Dillon

ed243421 wrote:

so you would have felt pain if dahmer had been executed?
or gacy?
or hitler?

this may shock and/or surprise you, and even to some on my end of the capital punishment debate, but I personally found even Saddam Hussein's execution sickening. How it was carried out, and that it was carried out at all.

TriumphantAngel

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

so you would have felt pain if dahmer had been executed?
or gacy?
or hitler?

this may shock and/or surprise you, and even to some on my end of the capital punishment debate, but I personally found even Saddam Hussein's execution sickening. How it was carried out, and that it was carried out at all.

i feel the same. i have never watched the execution. there were some interesting posts on a moving train while all that was going down.

i found it disgusting that people were so willing to focus on Saddam Hussein's guilt and how much fun it was going to be to kill him. it was sickening how much delight was shown when he was actually executed. i guess those people who were rejoycing, forgot who supported Saddam for decades. of course there wasn't any mention of that.

Byrnzie

ed243421 wrote:

so you can excuse a child-murderer if someone tells you he is insane?
and what if the murderer is a normal sane person?
do you excuse him?
"it's carried out in the name of something supposedly 'good', 'decent', and 'just'"??
i don't see it that way
i believe it's carried out in the name of something "horrible, "indecent, and "unjust"
the murder itself
and a tradgedy for the murderer???
so you would have felt pain if dahmer had been executed?
or gacy?
or hitler?
you do know hitler was a child once too
atta was a child once
should we forgive him for 9-11?

i think it's hypocritical to worry about everything that is wrong with the human race
and support and give excuses to murderers who have clearly decided that they no longer want to be a part of it

Firstly, I made no mention of excusing anybody. As for Hitler being a child once, so was Reagan, and George W. Bush. They are all responsible for mass killings from the comfort of their armchairs. Do I think the crimes of such individuals warrant murder becoming a legitimate form of justice? Nope. We should never allow ourselves to be dragged down to their level. If murder is wrong, then it should be wrong for everyone, including us.
Someone attending an execution in the U.S, sitting there smugly, and sanctimoniously clutching a Bible whilst someone's life is snuffed out in front of them is no less depraved to me than Dahmer calmly dispatching his victims.

gimmesometruth27

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

so you would have felt pain if dahmer had been executed?
or gacy?
or hitler?

this may shock and/or surprise you, and even to some on my end of the capital punishment debate, but I personally found even Saddam Hussein's execution sickening. How it was carried out, and that it was carried out at all.

completely agreed. i think i posted about that some 30 pages ago or something...

i watched the footage. they could have done it in a more civilized manner. they brought him in and everyone there was mocking him and they all chanted "muqtada muqtada mudtada". he was very dignified and did not fight back or resist at all. they put a hood on him, affixed the noose, and let him drop. it was pretty chilling and i will never forget what i saw.

i was really surprised and sickend by how people were celebrating and claiming retribution for 9/11 when it had long been established that iraq had nothing to do with it. i guess the sheep will believe what they want to believe even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary....but that is a topic for another thread i guess....

in the end it was georgie boy getting revenge for his old man. ironically, georgie could have met the same fate at the hague for crimes against humanity himself, and that is another thread as well...

Hugh Freaking Dillon

I watched it. I don't know why. I guess part of me didn't believe it. And I was disgusted by what I saw. It would have served a much higher purpose had they let the UN try him in front of a tribunal or something.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

completely agreed. i think i posted about that some 30 pages ago or something...

i watched the footage. they could have done it in a more civilized manner. they brought him in and everyone there was mocking him and they all chanted "muqtada muqtada mudtada". he was very dignified and did not fight back or resist at all. they put a hood on him, affixed the noose, and let him drop. it was pretty chilling and i will never forget what i saw.

i was really surprised and sickend by how people were celebrating and claiming retribution for 9/11 when it had long been established that iraq had nothing to do with it. i guess the sheep will believe what they want to believe even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary....but that is a topic for another thread i guess....

in the end it was georgie boy getting revenge for his old man. ironically, georgie could have met the same fate at the hague for crimes against humanity himself, and that is another thread as well...

Hugh Freaking Dillon

beautifully said.

Byrnzie wrote:

Someone attending an execution in the U.S, sitting there smugly, and sanctimoniously clutching a Bible whilst someone's life is snuffed out in front of them is no less depraved to me than Dahmer calmly dispatching his victims.

ed243421

Byrnzie wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

As far as I'm concerned if you support the death penalty then you are no better than the sickest of all sick fucks.

If you support the clinical snuffing out of a life in the name of 'justice' then you are the worst kind of hypocrite and represent everything that's wrong with the human race.

Kinda harsh, no?

I can't help but feel like some people do not deserve to live any longer and others need to be protected from them.

But I see the point of others as well. I usually am just about to give up my support of it and then some jackass shoots his 6 month old kid in front of people. Cut and dry case...definitely guilty. And it makes it hard to say that he shouldn't be put to death.

Murder the murderer?

Someone may shoot their kid, and for what reason? Could that individual be considered sane? Probably not. Whatever way you look at it, to then carry out a pre-meditated, clinical snuffing out of this individuals life makes you worse in my opinion. At least a child murderer has insanity as his excuse. What's your excuse? (And I don't mean 'you' personally).

Those who support the death penalty place themselves on some sort of higher pedestal in the name of justice. But it's a pretty warped and perverse sense of justice. The kind of murder involved in a state execution is just as - if not more - depraved than any other type of murder outside of those prison walls, simply for the fact that it's carried out in the name of something supposedly 'good', 'decent', and 'just'. It reeks of the lowest kind of hypocrisy.

Any murder is a tragedy, but it's also a tragedy for the murderer in my opinion. That murderer was a child once. Whenever such a thing occurs I think society needs to take a good look at itself, as opposed to simply wetting it's lips over the prospect of watching another individual fry.

"At least a child murderer has insanity as his excuse"

you said you did not make excuses for anyone

ed243421

triumphant, byrnzie, gimme and billie

you felt bad when you saw saddam executed?

http://history1900s.about.com/od/saddam ... crimes.htm

what is wrong with you people?

Byrnzie

ed243421 wrote:

triumphant, byrnzie, gimme and billie

you felt bad when you saw saddam executed?

http://history1900s.about.com/od/saddam ... crimes.htm

what is wrong with you people?

I didn't feel bad for Sadaam as much as for all the idiots who glorified in his murder.

Who sold Saddam those chemical weapons and continued to sell them to him after he gassed the Kurds?

'Let He Who is Without Sin Cast the First Stone'.

Byrnzie

ed243421 wrote:

"At least a child murderer has insanity as his excuse"

you said you did not make excuses for anyone

I don't. The law does though. I wouldn't murder someone in the name of justice and the public good whether he was sane or insane.

gimmesometruth27

ed243421 wrote:

triumphant, byrnzie, gimme and billie

you felt bad when you saw saddam executed?

http://history1900s.about.com/od/saddam ... crimes.htm

what is wrong with you people?

evidently you have not read any of my posts where i CLEARLY STATED THAT I THINK STATE SANCTIONED MURDER IS WRONG...NO MATTER WHO THE CONVICTED PERSON IS OR WHAT THEY DID!!!!!!!

please review the posts in this thread because every one of the people you called out stated clearly and eloquently their opposition to the death penalty...

TriumphantAngel

ed243421 wrote:

triumphant, byrnzie, gimme and billie

you felt bad when you saw saddam executed?

http://history1900s.about.com/od/saddam ... crimes.htm

what is wrong with you people?

nothing is wrong with me, i just happen to have a different opinion from you on this issue.

like i've already mentioned, i feel the death penalty is inhumane, sick and barbaric. state-sanctioned murder is murder too. it's that simple. how any country can murder their own citizens, or anyone else for that matter, and still claim to be civilized is beyond me.

ed243421

TriumphantAngel wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

triumphant, byrnzie, gimme and billie

you felt bad when you saw saddam executed?

http://history1900s.about.com/od/saddam ... crimes.htm

what is wrong with you people?

nothing is wrong with me, i just happen to have a different opinion from you on this issue.

like i've already mentioned, i feel the death penalty is inhumane, sick and barbaric. state-sanctioned murder is murder too. it's that simple. how any country can murder their own citizens, or anyone else for that matter, and still claim to be civilized is beyond me.

and i believe that any country that allows murderers to live out their days being housed and fed
is uncivilized

let us agree to disagree

ed243421

Byrnzie wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

triumphant, byrnzie, gimme and billie

you felt bad when you saw saddam executed?

http://history1900s.about.com/od/saddam ... crimes.htm

what is wrong with you people?

I didn't feel bad for Sadaam as much as for all the idiots who glorified in his murder.

Who sold Saddam those chemical weapons and continued to sell them to him after he gassed the Kurds?

'Let He Who is Without Sin Cast the First Stone'.

hold on

remember that who sold the weapons were children once

Godfather.

Byrnzie wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

triumphant, byrnzie, gimme and billie

you felt bad when you saw saddam executed?

http://history1900s.about.com/od/saddam ... crimes.htm

what is wrong with you people?

I didn't feel bad for Sadaam as much as for all the idiots who glorified in his murder.

Who sold Saddam those chemical weapons and continued to sell them to him after he gassed the Kurds?

'Let He Who is Without Sin Cast the First Stone'.

Byrnzie....is that you ??? "Let He Who is Without Sin Cast the First Stone"

Godfather.

cincybearcat

scb wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

As far as I'm concerned if you support the death penalty then you are no better than the sickest of all sick fucks.

If you support the clinical snuffing out of a life in the name of 'justice' then you are the worst kind of hypocrite and represent everything that's wrong with the human race.

Kinda harsh, no?

I can't help but feel like some people do not deserve to live any longer and others need to be protected from them.

But I see the point of others as well. I usually am just about to give up my support of it and then some jackass shoots his 6 month old kid in front of people. Cut and dry case...definitely guilty. And it makes it hard to say that he shouldn't be put to death.

So it sounds like you're saying your position is based on emotion then, no?

Partially, yes.

Not entirely. The other part is based on reality that someone that can shoot a 6 month old, etc has no business living and is putting other people at risk each minute they remain alive.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

gee. that hurts. I'm so sick that I value the sanctity of all human life. :roll:

ed243421 wrote:

triumphant, byrnzie, gimme and billie

you felt bad when you saw saddam executed?

http://history1900s.about.com/od/saddam ... crimes.htm

what is wrong with you people?

chadwick

i think this is my all time favorite thread.
especially where gimmiesometruth went to capital letters as if shouting.

i declare this thread, fantastic.

thursday, july 08, 2010... please tell me that somewhere, someplace, some evil monster is being put down.
where's my popcorn?