No, being macho has nothing to do with it. It's someone realizing they fucked up and accepting their fate.
An eye for an eye, right?
Iran stones people to death and uses the Koran to justify it's barbarity.
America electrocutes people and uses the Bible to justify it's barbarity.
Both backwards countries who base their laws and beliefs on an antiquated, obsolete religion.
Edit: Not that all of America is backwards, just certain aspects, including the death penalty, and the crazy talking-in-tongues religious wackjobs, e.t.c.
Do we still electricute people? I thought nowadays we put them in a nice comfy sleep and stop their heartbeat with injections. Either way works for me.....fry the fuckers, i couldn't care any less what happens to violent, rapist murderers.
fry the fuckers, i couldn't care any less what happens to violent, rapist murderers.
That's strange, I thought America was supposed to be a Christian nation?
Doesn't sound much like a Christian nation to me. Sounds more like a people frothing at the mouth with vengeance and hatred.
I wonder if Jesus would support the death penalty?
Then again, Christinaity in America is a joke. Fat morons dancing around a Church to loud music, falling over and talking in tongues. Muilti-miilionaire pastors frequenting whorehouses in their spare time, voting Republican and supporting the death penalty.
Christianity in America is more like a freak show than a religion.
fry the fuckers, i couldn't care any less what happens to violent, rapist murderers.
That's strange, I thought America was supposed to be a Christian nation?
Doesn't sound much like a Christian nation to me. Sounds more like someone frothing at the mouth with vengeance and hatred.
what?
i thought Christians were experts at killing and torture?
didn't people get put to death due to Christianity
nice pope
that is a great cardinal
are bishops with these dungeon dwellers?
fry the fuckers, i couldn't care any less what happens to violent, rapist murderers.
That's strange, I thought America was supposed to be a Christian nation?
Doesn't sound much like a Christian nation to me. Sounds more like a people frothing at the mouth with vengeance and hatred.
I wonder if Jesus would support the death penalty?
Then again, Christinaity in America is a joke. Fat morons dancing around a Church to loud music, falling over and babbling in double speak. Muilti-miilionaire pastors frequenting whorehouses in their spare time, voting Republican and supporting the death penalty.
Christianity in America is more like a freak show than a religion.
Now do you oppose capital punishment on human rights issues or some other issue?
I wouldn't say it's a matter of human rights so much as reason and morality. If a scoiety can claim to be based on reason and morality then the first thing it should do is abolish the death penalty. Killing someone in the name of justice makes the society no better than the murderer whose crime it claims to oppose.
Any society that has the death penalty is a barbaric society as far as I'm concerned.
Fair enough, fortunately we do not have capital punishment. We've had some high profile cases over the last 20 years of people who have been wrongly convicted.
that would do a bit to changing minds in the US about it, were we to see the fuckups.
which we don't.
if 1 innocent man is executed......bring the whole goddamn system down then, for i'd rather live in fear the rest of my life, and let them all go, than execute 1 innocent man.
that would do a bit to changing minds in the US about it, were we to see the fuckups.
which we don't.
if 1 innocent man is executed......bring the whole goddamn system down then, for i'd rather live in fear the rest of my life, and let them all go, than execute 1 innocent man.
I agree with this Commy. Every time I bring this up, the supporters of the death penalty have no comment though. (other than the ridiculous, "only execute the cases that are 100%")
fry the fuckers, i couldn't care any less what happens to violent, rapist murderers.
That's strange, I thought America was supposed to be a Christian nation?
Doesn't sound much like a Christian nation to me. Sounds more like a people frothing at the mouth with vengeance and hatred.
I wonder if Jesus would support the death penalty?
Then again, Christinaity in America is a joke. Fat morons dancing around a Church to loud music, falling over and babbling in double speak. Muilti-miilionaire pastors frequenting whorehouses in their spare time, voting Republican and supporting the death penalty.
Christianity in America is more like a freak show than a religion.
and what is your idea of Christinaity ? you claim not to be but are one of the first to critize Christians.
if you trust in your self and want others to trust you then do so by example my friend and not with hateful remarks of something you do not believe in.
Haven't read this thread yet (though I'm sure I can imagine the directions it's gone!), but rather than starting a new one, this seems like the place to post it. I just read this in today's Guardian. The article goes on to detail how the council also challenged the US on the Cuban embargo, Guantánamo & sectre detention centres, torture and the use of unmanned drones in supposedly "targetted" assassinations, but I've left those out since it's not the issue here. The whole article is here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/no ... th-penalty
UN human rights council urges US to end death penalty American delegate says capital punishment is subject of vigorous debate and applied for in only the most serious crimesMark Tran guardian.co.uk, Friday 5 November 2010 12.45 GMT
The US today faced an international clamour to abolish the death penalty during a debate at the UN human rights council in Geneva.
The council is gradually reviewing the performance of all 192 UN member states. The US took its moment in the spotlight seriously, sending a high-level delegation of around 30 officials led by Esther Brimmer, the assistant secretary of state for international organisation affairs.
The delegation was given a mostly warm welcome by delegates of the 47-member council, but was forced to listen to repeated calls for the US to put an end to the death penalty.
More than 1,200 men and women have been put to death in the US since executions resumed in 1977 after a decade without them, according to Amnesty International.
Three jurisdictions – Texas, Virginia, and Oklahoma – account for more than half the country's executions. Missouri has approximately 40 people on death row, but has not executed anyone since 2005.
At the end of 2009, 139 countries had abolished the death penalty. The US finds itself grouped with authoritarian countries such as China and Iran in still executing people.
Harold Hongju Koh, the state department's legal adviser, said capital punishment was a subject of vigorous debate and litigation in the US and was applied for in only the most serious crimes.
He pointed out that there were strict procedural safeguards, adding that, in recent years, the supreme court had narrowed the list of offences for which the death penalty could be applied.
But he insisted that capital punishment did not violate international law, telling the council: "International human rights law does not bar it per se."
93: Slane
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
Haven't read this thread yet (though I'm sure I can imagine the directions it's gone!), but rather than starting a new one, this seems like the place to post it. I just read this in today's Guardian. The article goes on to detail how the council also challenged the US on the Cuban embargo, Guantánamo & sectre detention centres, torture and the use of unmanned drones in supposedly "targetted" assassinations, but I've left those out since it's not the issue here. The whole article is here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/no ... th-penalty
UN human rights council urges US to end death penalty American delegate says capital punishment is subject of vigorous debate and applied for in only the most serious crimesMark Tran guardian.co.uk, Friday 5 November 2010 12.45 GMT
The US today faced an international clamour to abolish the death penalty during a debate at the UN human rights council in Geneva.
The council is gradually reviewing the performance of all 192 UN member states. The US took its moment in the spotlight seriously, sending a high-level delegation of around 30 officials led by Esther Brimmer, the assistant secretary of state for international organisation affairs.
The delegation was given a mostly warm welcome by delegates of the 47-member council, but was forced to listen to repeated calls for the US to put an end to the death penalty.
More than 1,200 men and women have been put to death in the US since executions resumed in 1977 after a decade without them, according to Amnesty International.
Three jurisdictions – Texas, Virginia, and Oklahoma – account for more than half the country's executions. Missouri has approximately 40 people on death row, but has not executed anyone since 2005.
At the end of 2009, 139 countries had abolished the death penalty. The US finds itself grouped with authoritarian countries such as China and Iran in still executing people.
Harold Hongju Koh, the state department's legal adviser, said capital punishment was a subject of vigorous debate and litigation in the US and was applied for in only the most serious crimes.
He pointed out that there were strict procedural safeguards, adding that, in recent years, the supreme court had narrowed the list of offences for which the death penalty could be applied.
But he insisted that capital punishment did not violate international law, telling the council: "International human rights law does not bar it per se."
I was just wondering why any of this matters to most people on here ? why do people really give a rats ass who gets put to death espeically if you have no idea who they are or what that have done to be executed innocent or not ? it is what it is deal with it....or better yet lets reinstate Violante Justus and start carrying guns again ..that would really cut down on some crimes ladies if you all started carrying a weapon and it was common knowledge I would bet rapes and muggings would fall right off the map ! and you could kill the nasty bastard trying to assault you..game over...NEXT !
Haven't read this thread yet (though I'm sure I can imagine the directions it's gone!), but rather than starting a new one, this seems like the place to post it. I just read this in today's Guardian. The article goes on to detail how the council also challenged the US on the Cuban embargo, Guantánamo & sectre detention centres, torture and the use of unmanned drones in supposedly "targetted" assassinations, but I've left those out since it's not the issue here. The whole article is here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/no ... th-penalty
UN human rights council urges US to end death penalty American delegate says capital punishment is subject of vigorous debate and applied for in only the most serious crimesMark Tran guardian.co.uk, Friday 5 November 2010 12.45 GMT
The US today faced an international clamour to abolish the death penalty during a debate at the UN human rights council in Geneva.
The council is gradually reviewing the performance of all 192 UN member states. The US took its moment in the spotlight seriously, sending a high-level delegation of around 30 officials led by Esther Brimmer, the assistant secretary of state for international organisation affairs.
The delegation was given a mostly warm welcome by delegates of the 47-member council, but was forced to listen to repeated calls for the US to put an end to the death penalty.
More than 1,200 men and women have been put to death in the US since executions resumed in 1977 after a decade without them, according to Amnesty International.
Three jurisdictions – Texas, Virginia, and Oklahoma – account for more than half the country's executions. Missouri has approximately 40 people on death row, but has not executed anyone since 2005.
At the end of 2009, 139 countries had abolished the death penalty. The US finds itself grouped with authoritarian countries such as China and Iran in still executing people.
Harold Hongju Koh, the state department's legal adviser, said capital punishment was a subject of vigorous debate and litigation in the US and was applied for in only the most serious crimes.
He pointed out that there were strict procedural safeguards, adding that, in recent years, the supreme court had narrowed the list of offences for which the death penalty could be applied.
But he insisted that capital punishment did not violate international law, telling the council: "International human rights law does not bar it per se."
I was just wondering why any of this matters to most people on here ? why do people really give a rats ass who gets put to death espeically if you have no idea who they are or what that have done to be executed innocent or not ? it is what it is deal with it....or better yet lets reinstate Violante Justus and start carrying guns again ..that would really cut down on some crimes ladies if you all started carrying a weapon and it was common knowledge I would bet rapes and muggings would fall right off the map ! and you could kill the nasty bastard trying to assault you..game over...NEXT !
Godfather.
I've got to disagree with you, Godfather... I hear that argument from people in the South all the time, that more guns = less crime. However, the stats don't really support that. Inner cities, and the South in general, have higher rates of gun-related crimes. Those are also the two areas with the highest concentrations of gun ownership (on both a micro and macro level). A lot of people are walking around inner cities, and the South, with guns - and more people are being shot there than anywhere else. When you talk about guns and crime, you forget about the egos involved - the people with guns don't care if you have one or not if they think they can pull the trigger first.
And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
I was just wondering why any of this matters to most people on here ? why do people really give a rats ass who gets put to death espeically if you have no idea who they are or what that have done to be executed innocent or not ? it is what it is deal with it....or better yet lets reinstate Violante Justus and start carrying guns again ..that would really cut down on some crimes ladies if you all started carrying a weapon and it was common knowledge I would bet rapes and muggings would fall right off the map ! and you could kill the nasty bastard trying to assault you..game over...NEXT !
Godfather.
I honestly don't know where to begin responding to this stream of nonsense.
93: Slane
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
I was just wondering why any of this matters to most people on here ? why do people really give a rats ass who gets put to death espeically if you have no idea who they are or what that have done to be executed innocent or not ? it is what it is deal with it....or better yet lets reinstate Violante Justus and start carrying guns again ..that would really cut down on some crimes ladies if you all started carrying a weapon and it was common knowledge I would bet rapes and muggings would fall right off the map ! and you could kill the nasty bastard trying to assault you..game over...NEXT !
I honestly don't know where to begin responding to this stream of nonsense.
Thankfully, cajunkiwi does (or at least hasthe patience to!)
93: Slane
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
Haven't read this thread yet (though I'm sure I can imagine the directions it's gone!), but rather than starting a new one, this seems like the place to post it. I just read this in today's Guardian. The article goes on to detail how the council also challenged the US on the Cuban embargo, Guantánamo & sectre detention centres, torture and the use of unmanned drones in supposedly "targetted" assassinations, but I've left those out since it's not the issue here. The whole article is here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/no ... th-penalty
UN human rights council urges US to end death penalty American delegate says capital punishment is subject of vigorous debate and applied for in only the most serious crimesMark Tran guardian.co.uk, Friday 5 November 2010 12.45 GMT
The US today faced an international clamour to abolish the death penalty during a debate at the UN human rights council in Geneva.
The council is gradually reviewing the performance of all 192 UN member states. The US took its moment in the spotlight seriously, sending a high-level delegation of around 30 officials led by Esther Brimmer, the assistant secretary of state for international organisation affairs.
The delegation was given a mostly warm welcome by delegates of the 47-member council, but was forced to listen to repeated calls for the US to put an end to the death penalty.
More than 1,200 men and women have been put to death in the US since executions resumed in 1977 after a decade without them, according to Amnesty International.
Three jurisdictions – Texas, Virginia, and Oklahoma – account for more than half the country's executions. Missouri has approximately 40 people on death row, but has not executed anyone since 2005.
At the end of 2009, 139 countries had abolished the death penalty. The US finds itself grouped with authoritarian countries such as China and Iran in still executing people.
Harold Hongju Koh, the state department's legal adviser, said capital punishment was a subject of vigorous debate and litigation in the US and was applied for in only the most serious crimes.
He pointed out that there were strict procedural safeguards, adding that, in recent years, the supreme court had narrowed the list of offences for which the death penalty could be applied.
But he insisted that capital punishment did not violate international law, telling the council: "International human rights law does not bar it per se."
I was just wondering why any of this matters to most people on here ? why do people really give a rats ass who gets put to death especially if you have no idea who they are or what that have done to be executed innocent or not ? it is what it is deal with it....or better yet lets reinstate Violante Justus and start carrying guns again ..that would really cut down on some crimes ladies if you all started carrying a weapon and it was common knowledge I would bet rapes and muggings would fall right off the map ! and you could kill the nasty bastard trying to assault you..game over...NEXT !
Godfather.
I've got to disagree with you, Godfather... I hear that argument from people in the South all the time, that more guns = less crime. However, the stats don't really support that. Inner cities, and the South in general, have higher rates of gun-related crimes. Those are also the two areas with the highest concentrations of gun ownership (on both a micro and macro level). A lot of people are walking around inner cities, and the South, with guns - and more people are being shot there than anywhere else. When you talk about guns and crime, you forget about the egos involved - the people with guns don't care if you have one or not if they think they can pull the trigger first.
I was being sarcastic
I was going through here and reading different posts and peoples opinions are one sided sometimes they talk about being kind and fair then in another post they're bashing someone Else's values or opinions trying to force theirs into the mainstream and I just had to laugh so posted this to see a reaction.
I apologize for the sarcasms it was my own inside joke to myself and thanks for the response with out attack
that was cool but I wouldn't expect different from you. :thumbup:
I was just wondering why any of this matters to most people on here ? why do people really give a rats ass who gets put to death espeically if you have no idea who they are or what that have done to be executed innocent or not ? it is what it is deal with it....or better yet lets reinstate Violante Justus and start carrying guns again ..that would really cut down on some crimes ladies if you all started carrying a weapon and it was common knowledge I would bet rapes and muggings would fall right off the map ! and you could kill the nasty bastard trying to assault you..game over...NEXT !
Thank fuck for that! I thought you were loaded on hooch!
93: Slane
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
whenever i've been waiting for pearl jam to play and metamorphosis 2 starts up, i've always wondered if it's some sort of fuck you to the death penalty and a way to show eddies ongoing support to the wm3. could be wrong. just my thoughts.
whenever i've been waiting for pearl jam to play and metamorphosis 2 starts up, i've always wondered if it's some sort of fuck you to the death penalty and a way to show eddies ongoing support to the wm3. could be wrong. just my thoughts.
Many people could be wrong when it comes to the wm3. I used to believe they were innocent just because Eddie said so........I know, pretty stupid. The more I look into it i'm not sure anymore. Either way, they shouldn't be facing the death penalty if it's not 100% proof of guilt.
whenever i've been waiting for pearl jam to play and metamorphosis 2 starts up, i've always wondered if it's some sort of fuck you to the death penalty and a way to show eddies ongoing support to the wm3. could be wrong. just my thoughts.
Many people could be wrong when it comes to the wm3. I used to believe they were innocent just because Eddie said so........I know, pretty stupid. The more I look into it i'm not sure anymore. Either way, they shouldn't be facing the death penalty if it's not 100% proof of guilt.
people are on death row every day and facing retribution even though there is not 100% certainty of guilt. every other week a death row inmate gets released after 25+ years because they were finally granted a dna test on key evidence and it does not match up. and then they are given a couple of million bucks for their trouble. so i am wondering if the pro death penalty folks would rather just off them then have to shell out that kind of cash and have to admit that their legal system is absolutely broken...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
whenever i've been waiting for pearl jam to play and metamorphosis 2 starts up, i've always wondered if it's some sort of fuck you to the death penalty and a way to show eddies ongoing support to the wm3. could be wrong. just my thoughts.
Many people could be wrong when it comes to the wm3. I used to believe they were innocent just because Eddie said so........I know, pretty stupid. The more I look into it i'm not sure anymore. Either way, they shouldn't be facing the death penalty if it's not 100% proof of guilt.
people are on death row every day and facing retribution even though there is not 100% certainty of guilt. every other week a death row inmate gets released after 25+ years because they were finally granted a dna test on key evidence and it does not match up. and then they are given a couple of million bucks for their trouble. so i am wondering if the pro death penalty folks would rather just off them then have to shell out that kind of cash and have to admit that their legal system is absolutely broken...
I'm pro death penalty for no-brainers. 100% guilty. The notion that we would rather "off" someone rather than admitting something is absurd and really shows your misunderstanding that republicans have on certain issues.
I'm pro death penalty for no-brainers. 100% guilty. The notion that we would rather "off" someone rather than admitting something is absurd and really shows your misunderstanding that republicans have on certain issues.
i do not have a misunderstanding at all, and it is not a democrat or republican issue at all. it is a HUMAN issue. just like with wars and the iraq war wikileaks, our leaders would rather pull the trigger and ask questions later. same as with some of these death penalty cases in texas the last few years. same as in the wm3 case. some people would rather see them killed before all of the evidence has been heard. and if that is true in the justice system then that system is absolutely broken.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
you know if you make a few mistakes at work, you get fired. If the death penalty has been handed down to one innocent person it should be fired too. We need to get rid of this shit. I dont see it sticking around forever. "You're fired death penalty!" come on let's hear it.
UN human rights council urges US to end death penalty
American delegate says capital punishment is subject of vigorous debate and applied for in only the most serious crimes
Mark Tran
guardian.co.uk, Friday 5 November 2010
The US today faced an international clamour to abolish the death penalty during a debate at the UN human rights council in Geneva.
The council is gradually reviewing the performance of all 192 UN member states. The US took its moment in the spotlight seriously, sending a high-level delegation of around 30 officials led by Esther Brimmer, the assistant secretary of state for international organisation affairs.
The delegation was given a mostly warm welcome by delegates of the 47-member council, but was forced to listen to repeated calls for the US to put an end to the death penalty.
More than 1,200 men and women have been put to death in the US since executions resumed in 1977 after a decade without them, according to Amnesty International.
Three jurisdictions – Texas, Virginia, and Oklahoma – account for more than half the country's executions. Missouri has approximately 40 people on death row, but has not executed anyone since 2005.
At the end of 2009, 139 countries had abolished the death penalty. The US finds itself grouped with authoritarian countries such as China and Iran in still executing people.
Harold Hongju Koh, the state department's legal adviser, said capital punishment was a subject of vigorous debate and litigation in the US and was applied for in only the most serious crimes.
He pointed out that there were strict procedural safeguards, adding that, in recent years, the supreme court had narrowed the list of offences for which the death penalty could be applied.
But he insisted that capital punishment did not violate international law, telling the council: "International human rights law does not bar it per se."
Koh also strongly defended the use of unmanned drone aircraft to kill "high value tagets" on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border and in Yemen.
"Our targeting practice complies with all human rights law," he said. "Operations are conducted in conformity with rule of law principles. It has been long legitimate to target enemy leaders and force is directed only at lawful targets."
Since the beginning of September, Barack Obama has authorised at least 25 targeted killings.
While the attacks have killed senior al-Qaida and Taliban figures, they have also killed civilians, including a large number of women and children, sparking anger against the US.
The fiercest criticism at the UN council came from countries at odds with the US.
The Cuban ambassador, Rodolfo Reyes Rodriguez, who spoke first, called on the Americans to end their embargo against his country.
Venezuela's envoy, Germán Mundarain Hernández, said the US should "close Guantánamo and secret detention centres around the world, punish those people who torture, disappear and execute detainees arbitrarily and provide compensation to victims".
Iran's delegation urged the US to "halt serious violations of human rights and humanitarian law including covert external operations by the CIA carried out on pretext of combating terrorism".
Koh said the Obama administration had begun by "turning the page" on Bush-era practices and fully ensured the humane treatment of detainees.
"Let there be no doubt, the United States does not torture and it will not torture," he declared.
A state department submission in August, written after extensive public consultation, said the US was "currently at war with al-Qaida and its associated forces" but that it would comply with all applicable domestic and international law in armed conflicts and had ordered foreign detainees be treated humanely.
The report said the US was a democracy guided by "simple but powerful principles", but admits to discrimination against black people and Hispanics and a "broken" immigration system.
whenever i've been waiting for pearl jam to play and metamorphosis 2 starts up, i've always wondered if it's some sort of fuck you to the death penalty and a way to show eddies ongoing support to the wm3. could be wrong. just my thoughts.
Many people could be wrong when it comes to the wm3. I used to believe they were innocent just because Eddie said so........I know, pretty stupid. The more I look into it i'm not sure anymore. Either way, they shouldn't be facing the death penalty if it's not 100% proof of guilt.
people are on death row every day and facing retribution even though there is not 100% certainty of guilt. every other week a death row inmate gets released after 25+ years because they were finally granted a dna test on key evidence and it does not match up. and then they are given a couple of million bucks for their trouble. so i am wondering if the pro death penalty folks would rather just off them then have to shell out that kind of cash and have to admit that their legal system is absolutely broken...
You're joking right ?
I wonder if all ax murders should be set free from death row and put back into prison or the public to kill some more people, you should choose your words a little more carefully and stop digging for direct insults leading to argument.
"so i am wondering if the pro death penalty folks would rather just off them then have to shell out that kind of cash and have to admit that their legal system is absolutely broken..."
That was a genius statement...or were you being sarcastic ?
I highly doubt he was digging for insults, godfather. it's an issue that most pro-death penalty folks tend to ignore. is it worth putting an innocent man to death? if your answer is yes, that is truly scary to me, not to mention supremely disappointing.
You're joking right ?
I wonder if all ax murders should be set free from death row and put back into prison or the public to kill some more people, you should choose your words a little more carefully and stop digging for direct insults leading to argument.
"so i am wondering if the pro death penalty folks would rather just off them then have to shell out that kind of cash and have to admit that their legal system is absolutely broken..."
That was a genius statement...or were you being sarcastic ?
Godfather.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
still don't get how that justifies state sanctioned murder. the point is NOT that it's less barbaric than what the accused/convicted have done. is it right to kill? the answer is NO.
those are certainly some fucked up folks.
But,
Is it safe to say they are fucked up in the head and there is something menatlly wrong with them? I'd say so.
They kill and rape because of their fucked up environemnts and because they are unable to distinguish what the hell is going on. whacked out in the head probably?
What is the excuse of the govt? Are they whacked out in the head to kill and murder people? Are they thinking straight? can they discern right from wrong? Supposedly the smartest and brightest run the country, huh? They eat eggs and waffles for breakfast and kiss their kids goodbye in the morning, but they can kill people with the death penalty. well, an eye for an eye right?
and still, the govt has murdered an innocent person on death row. Fail.
I highly doubt he was digging for insults, godfather. It's an issue that most pro-death penalty folks tend to ignore. Is it worth putting an innocent man to death? If your answer is yes, that is truly scary to me, not to mention supremely disappointing.
You're joking right ?
I wonder if all ax murders should be set free from death row and put back into prison or the public to kill some more people, you should choose your words a little more carefully and stop digging for direct insults leading to argument.
"so i am wondering if the pro death penalty folks would rather just off them then have to shell out that kind of cash and have to admit that their legal system is absolutely broken..."
That was a genius statement...or were you being sarcastic ?
Godfather.
no not at all, if they are wrongly convicted then they should get some kind of compensation but the death penalty is still nesasery, in a perfect we wouldn't the death penalty and it's broken (killers) people that helped create a broken system,without that problem we wouldn't need a death penalty.
You're joking right ?
I wonder if all ax murders should be set free from death row and put back into prison or the public to kill some more people, you should choose your words a little more carefully and stop digging for direct insults leading to argument.
"so i am wondering if the pro death penalty folks would rather just off them then have to shell out that kind of cash and have to admit that their legal system is absolutely broken..."
That was a genius statement...or were you being sarcastic ?
Godfather.
i have firmly and clearly stated my position over the course of 80 something pages of this thread. who is digging for direct insults? i am stating my opinion on this topic where if you read back in this thread people have posted poetry about fanticizing about killing prisoners, and have basically gotten off on it and i find that disgusting. it is my opinion that a good number of those people who support the death penalty are sick and have some sort of mental disfunction. if a person supports it i think they are the sick one, not me. if you support the death penalty you support murder, which is the exact same thing the death penalty is supposed to deter and punish people who have murdered. that is it. i would also go as far to state that a good number of people who support capital punishment also crave retribution and revenge. and why is it that the people who are the loudest in advocating capital punishment have no dog in the fight, as in they have not had a family member murdered and are not directly involved in any of these cases....
and we have executed innocent people, and in texas mentally retarded people, and even women. if one innocent person is murdered by the state, the blood is on all of our hands and the system is broken...
nobody has advocated taking ax murderers out of prison or putting them into the general prison population...jeez....how about putting them in 23 hour lockdown in a supermax? yeah that sucks, but at least they will not be put to death in my name with that execution being paid for by my tax dollars.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Do we still electricute people? I thought nowadays we put them in a nice comfy sleep and stop their heartbeat with injections. Either way works for me.....fry the fuckers, i couldn't care any less what happens to violent, rapist murderers.
That's strange, I thought America was supposed to be a Christian nation?
Doesn't sound much like a Christian nation to me. Sounds more like a people frothing at the mouth with vengeance and hatred.
I wonder if Jesus would support the death penalty?
Then again, Christinaity in America is a joke. Fat morons dancing around a Church to loud music, falling over and talking in tongues. Muilti-miilionaire pastors frequenting whorehouses in their spare time, voting Republican and supporting the death penalty.
Christianity in America is more like a freak show than a religion.
i thought Christians were experts at killing and torture?
didn't people get put to death due to Christianity
nice pope
that is a great cardinal
are bishops with these dungeon dwellers?
a quality group
well done fellows
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
which we don't.
if 1 innocent man is executed......bring the whole goddamn system down then, for i'd rather live in fear the rest of my life, and let them all go, than execute 1 innocent man.
I agree with this Commy. Every time I bring this up, the supporters of the death penalty have no comment though. (other than the ridiculous, "only execute the cases that are 100%")
and what is your idea of Christinaity ? you claim not to be but are one of the first to critize Christians.
if you trust in your self and want others to trust you then do so by example my friend and not with hateful remarks of something you do not believe in.
Godfather.
UN human rights council urges US to end death penalty
American delegate says capital punishment is subject of vigorous debate and applied for in only the most serious crimes Mark Tran guardian.co.uk, Friday 5 November 2010 12.45 GMT
The US today faced an international clamour to abolish the death penalty during a debate at the UN human rights council in Geneva.
The council is gradually reviewing the performance of all 192 UN member states. The US took its moment in the spotlight seriously, sending a high-level delegation of around 30 officials led by Esther Brimmer, the assistant secretary of state for international organisation affairs.
The delegation was given a mostly warm welcome by delegates of the 47-member council, but was forced to listen to repeated calls for the US to put an end to the death penalty.
More than 1,200 men and women have been put to death in the US since executions resumed in 1977 after a decade without them, according to Amnesty International.
Three jurisdictions – Texas, Virginia, and Oklahoma – account for more than half the country's executions. Missouri has approximately 40 people on death row, but has not executed anyone since 2005.
At the end of 2009, 139 countries had abolished the death penalty. The US finds itself grouped with authoritarian countries such as China and Iran in still executing people.
Harold Hongju Koh, the state department's legal adviser, said capital punishment was a subject of vigorous debate and litigation in the US and was applied for in only the most serious crimes.
He pointed out that there were strict procedural safeguards, adding that, in recent years, the supreme court had narrowed the list of offences for which the death penalty could be applied.
But he insisted that capital punishment did not violate international law, telling the council: "International human rights law does not bar it per se."
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
I was just wondering why any of this matters to most people on here ? why do people really give a rats ass who gets put to death espeically if you have no idea who they are or what that have done to be executed innocent or not ? it is what it is deal with it....or better yet lets reinstate Violante Justus and start carrying guns again ..that would really cut down on some crimes
Godfather.
I've got to disagree with you, Godfather... I hear that argument from people in the South all the time, that more guns = less crime. However, the stats don't really support that. Inner cities, and the South in general, have higher rates of gun-related crimes. Those are also the two areas with the highest concentrations of gun ownership (on both a micro and macro level). A lot of people are walking around inner cities, and the South, with guns - and more people are being shot there than anywhere else. When you talk about guns and crime, you forget about the egos involved - the people with guns don't care if you have one or not if they think they can pull the trigger first.
I honestly don't know where to begin responding to this stream of nonsense.
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
I was being sarcastic
I was going through here and reading different posts and peoples opinions are one sided sometimes they talk about being kind and fair then in another post they're bashing someone Else's values or opinions trying to force theirs into the mainstream and I just had to laugh so posted this to see a reaction.
I apologize for the sarcasms it was my own inside joke to myself and thanks for the response with out attack
that was cool but I wouldn't expect different from you. :thumbup:
Godfather.
Godfather.
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
Godfather.
Many people could be wrong when it comes to the wm3. I used to believe they were innocent just because Eddie said so........I know, pretty stupid. The more I look into it i'm not sure anymore. Either way, they shouldn't be facing the death penalty if it's not 100% proof of guilt.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I'm pro death penalty for no-brainers. 100% guilty. The notion that we would rather "off" someone rather than admitting something is absurd and really shows your misunderstanding that republicans have on certain issues.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
UN human rights council urges US to end death penalty
American delegate says capital punishment is subject of vigorous debate and applied for in only the most serious crimes
Mark Tran
guardian.co.uk, Friday 5 November 2010
The US today faced an international clamour to abolish the death penalty during a debate at the UN human rights council in Geneva.
The council is gradually reviewing the performance of all 192 UN member states. The US took its moment in the spotlight seriously, sending a high-level delegation of around 30 officials led by Esther Brimmer, the assistant secretary of state for international organisation affairs.
The delegation was given a mostly warm welcome by delegates of the 47-member council, but was forced to listen to repeated calls for the US to put an end to the death penalty.
More than 1,200 men and women have been put to death in the US since executions resumed in 1977 after a decade without them, according to Amnesty International.
Three jurisdictions – Texas, Virginia, and Oklahoma – account for more than half the country's executions. Missouri has approximately 40 people on death row, but has not executed anyone since 2005.
At the end of 2009, 139 countries had abolished the death penalty. The US finds itself grouped with authoritarian countries such as China and Iran in still executing people.
Harold Hongju Koh, the state department's legal adviser, said capital punishment was a subject of vigorous debate and litigation in the US and was applied for in only the most serious crimes.
He pointed out that there were strict procedural safeguards, adding that, in recent years, the supreme court had narrowed the list of offences for which the death penalty could be applied.
But he insisted that capital punishment did not violate international law, telling the council: "International human rights law does not bar it per se."
Koh also strongly defended the use of unmanned drone aircraft to kill "high value tagets" on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border and in Yemen.
"Our targeting practice complies with all human rights law," he said. "Operations are conducted in conformity with rule of law principles. It has been long legitimate to target enemy leaders and force is directed only at lawful targets."
Since the beginning of September, Barack Obama has authorised at least 25 targeted killings.
While the attacks have killed senior al-Qaida and Taliban figures, they have also killed civilians, including a large number of women and children, sparking anger against the US.
The fiercest criticism at the UN council came from countries at odds with the US.
The Cuban ambassador, Rodolfo Reyes Rodriguez, who spoke first, called on the Americans to end their embargo against his country.
Venezuela's envoy, Germán Mundarain Hernández, said the US should "close Guantánamo and secret detention centres around the world, punish those people who torture, disappear and execute detainees arbitrarily and provide compensation to victims".
Iran's delegation urged the US to "halt serious violations of human rights and humanitarian law including covert external operations by the CIA carried out on pretext of combating terrorism".
Koh said the Obama administration had begun by "turning the page" on Bush-era practices and fully ensured the humane treatment of detainees.
"Let there be no doubt, the United States does not torture and it will not torture," he declared.
A state department submission in August, written after extensive public consultation, said the US was "currently at war with al-Qaida and its associated forces" but that it would comply with all applicable domestic and international law in armed conflicts and had ordered foreign detainees be treated humanely.
The report said the US was a democracy guided by "simple but powerful principles", but admits to discrimination against black people and Hispanics and a "broken" immigration system.
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You're joking right ?
I wonder if all ax murders should be set free from death row and put back into prison or the public to kill some more people, you should choose your words a little more carefully and stop digging for direct insults leading to argument.
"so i am wondering if the pro death penalty folks would rather just off them then have to shell out that kind of cash and have to admit that their legal system is absolutely broken..."
That was a genius statement...or were you being sarcastic ?
Godfather.
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those are certainly some fucked up folks.
But,
Is it safe to say they are fucked up in the head and there is something menatlly wrong with them? I'd say so.
They kill and rape because of their fucked up environemnts and because they are unable to distinguish what the hell is going on. whacked out in the head probably?
What is the excuse of the govt? Are they whacked out in the head to kill and murder people? Are they thinking straight? can they discern right from wrong? Supposedly the smartest and brightest run the country, huh? They eat eggs and waffles for breakfast and kiss their kids goodbye in the morning, but they can kill people with the death penalty. well, an eye for an eye right?
and still, the govt has murdered an innocent person on death row. Fail.
no not at all, if they are wrongly convicted then they should get some kind of compensation but the death penalty is still nesasery, in a perfect we wouldn't the death penalty and it's broken (killers) people that helped create a broken system,without that problem we wouldn't need a death penalty.
Godfather.
and we have executed innocent people, and in texas mentally retarded people, and even women. if one innocent person is murdered by the state, the blood is on all of our hands and the system is broken...
nobody has advocated taking ax murderers out of prison or putting them into the general prison population...jeez....how about putting them in 23 hour lockdown in a supermax? yeah that sucks, but at least they will not be put to death in my name with that execution being paid for by my tax dollars.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."