the death penalty

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gimmesometruth27 wrote:

he said he never had a problem with the prisoners because he treated them like humans. the ones that got attacked and had problems with many of the inmates were assholes to them and tended to be a little overzealous with the beatings when doing cell extractions. he told me one time he thought that asshole superguards made all of the other decent guards less safe, and i believed him when he said that. .

I totally agree with this, in prison and in life in general. I feel much more safe with people who are respectful than with those who are aggressive - especially when talking about security officers of any kind. That's one reason I try to avoid the bars with the tough guy bouncers.

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OnTheEdge wrote:

I gotta laugh at all the comments about chadwick being angry. Let it all out chadwick, you'll feel better

Why does somebody have to be angry to kill a lowlife murdering scumbag that doesn't deserve to dream,eat,sleep,read a book,etc... Why do people feel so sympathetic towards these people? Are you afraid GOD won't except you into heaven if you think such thoughts. I really can't figure it out. Some of you talk like you have all the answers. SCB, how do you know that somebody will not feel at peace if their loved ones killer was executed. I have heard quite the opposite on documentaries on tv.

Did I say that? I don't think it's impossible, but I do think it's unlikely. Violence is the opposite of peace. Pretty simple. And their loved one will still be dead, so how could they ever be at peace?

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ed243421 wrote:

this is for scb and the other anti-death-penalty folk

could you kill someone if they attacked you and you felt it would be your only way to survive?
would you?
my guess is that you would, if needed to

then why is it that you feel that if it was YOUR life that was in danger of being taken, the person can die?

but for all the other murderers in this world, they should rot in prison.

is it hypocritical to be against the dp and defend yourself with a weapon if attacked?


once again
this is not about "bringing someone back"
the murderer has done things that prevent that

Hey! I was wondering where you went.

Well, for one thing, I don't want to kill anyone, even if I am being attacked. That's why I got rid of my gun. So your assumption that I think my life is special is wrong. If I ever did kill someone in self defense, I think I would feel horrible about it for the rest of my life. (Now, if I let someone else die when I could have stopped it, I'd probably feel even more horrible about that.)

Secondly, I'm pretty sure you know the huge difference between having to kill someone as the only way to stop a murder and killing someone unnecessarily simply for revenge.

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ed243421 wrote:

you can kill in SELF defense
but if you are murdered, we should not kill?

Right. It would no longer be defense. I don't think the self part has anything to do with it.

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ed243421 wrote:

you say you do not want any harm to come to your attacker if he kills you

yet

you would, if given the chance during the attack, kill him

still confused here

One is necessary to save a life. (Plus, ideally, you wouldn't be trying to kill the attacker, just stop him.) The other is not necessary and only takes a life.

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ed243421 wrote:

but why is it ok to kill during an attack to defend yourself
and then not ok to kill the attacker if he murders you

Do you see a difference between a murderer and someone who is defending himself? If you killed someone in self defense, do you think that is the same thing as the murder he would have committed against you?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5RU2LqA ... grec_index

This video was posted in the abortion/DP thread. Check out the part starting at about 3:15. What do you pro-DP folks think about the ideas of this guy? What is the difference between the pro-DP stance and what he's saying? To me, it's very similar. He's saying that it's okay to kill people who don't "deserve" to live, if you have a good "reason".

ed243421

scb wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

this is for scb and the other anti-death-penalty folk

could you kill someone if they attacked you and you felt it would be your only way to survive?
would you?
my guess is that you would, if needed to

then why is it that you feel that if it was YOUR life that was in danger of being taken, the person can die?

but for all the other murderers in this world, they should rot in prison.

is it hypocritical to be against the dp and defend yourself with a weapon if attacked?


once again
this is not about "bringing someone back"
the murderer has done things that prevent that

Hey! I was wondering where you went.

Well, for one thing, I don't want to kill anyone, even if I am being attacked. That's why I got rid of my gun. So your assumption that I think my life is special is wrong. If I ever did kill someone in self defense, I think I would feel horrible about it for the rest of my life. (Now, if I let someone else die when I could have stopped it, I'd probably feel even more horrible about that.)

Secondly, I'm pretty sure you know the huge difference between having to kill someone as the only way to stop a murder and killing someone unnecessarily simply for revenge.

we just gotta agree to disagree
i believe it is necessary and not for revenge
they murdered an innocent person
gone forever
it will not bring anyone back
i just don't get it, the guy in the op put a knife into his kids many times
and you wanna book him a room for life
and just to clear it up , i'm all for killing anyone in self defense, when necessary

ed243421

scb wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

but why is it ok to kill during an attack to defend yourself
and then not ok to kill the attacker if he murders you

Do you see a difference between a murderer and someone who is defending himself? If you killed someone in self defense, do you think that is the same thing as the murder he would have committed against you?

yes
no

i just don't get the
"it's ok to kill an attacker even before he commits a murder
but once he does murder
it is not ok to kill him"
thinking

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ed243421 wrote:

we just gotta agree to disagree
i believe it is necessary and not for revenge
they murdered an innocent person
gone forever
it will not bring anyone back
i just don't get it, the guy in the op put a knife into his kids many times
and you wanna book him a room for life
and just to clear it up , i'm all for killing anyone in self defense, when necessary

I don't understand how it's supposedly necessary.

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ed243421 wrote:

scb wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

but why is it ok to kill during an attack to defend yourself
and then not ok to kill the attacker if he murders you

Do you see a difference between a murderer and someone who is defending himself? If you killed someone in self defense, do you think that is the same thing as the murder he would have committed against you?

yes
no

i just don't get the
"it's ok to kill an attacker even before he commits a murder
but once he does murder
it is not ok to kill him"
thinking

It's the same as the difference between the murderer and the person defending himself. The death penalty is analogous to the murder committed by the murderer. It is unnecessary, premeditated, and not in self defense. The only difference is that the state thinks it has a good reason. Oh wait... the murderer probably thinks that too.

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This is only somewhat topical, but you know what I just learned? Woody Harrelson's dad was a convicted hitman. And he has sometimes taken credit for the assassination of JFK. Did everyone else know this already? I know it's not incredibly important; I just thought it was an interesting bit of useless trivia.

gimmesometruth27

scb wrote:

This is only somewhat topical, but you know what I just learned? Woody Harrelson's dad was a convicted hitman. And he has sometimes taken credit for the assassination of JFK. Did everyone else know this already? I know it's not incredibly important; I just thought it was an interesting bit of useless trivia.

well apparently he must die for his supposed crimes right???

:roll:

OnTheEdge

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

scb wrote:

This is only somewhat topical, but you know what I just learned? Woody Harrelson's dad was a convicted hitman. And he has sometimes taken credit for the assassination of JFK. Did everyone else know this already? I know it's not incredibly important; I just thought it was an interesting bit of useless trivia.

well apparently he must die for his supposed crimes right???

:roll:

No way dude! hitmen are cool.

catefrances

scb wrote:

This is only somewhat topical, but you know what I just learned? Woody Harrelson's dad was a convicted hitman. And he has sometimes taken credit for the assassination of JFK. Did everyone else know this already? I know it's not incredibly important; I just thought it was an interesting bit of useless trivia.

yes ive known for years.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

wow, it's interesting that Woody then played Mickey Knox in Natural Born Killers.

scb wrote:

This is only somewhat topical, but you know what I just learned? Woody Harrelson's dad was a convicted hitman. And he has sometimes taken credit for the assassination of JFK. Did everyone else know this already? I know it's not incredibly important; I just thought it was an interesting bit of useless trivia.

chadwick

good morning.
we can't let this thread sink to the bottom!
so...
who are we offing this morning?

JonnyPistachio

so, ed243421, chadwick, and anyone else who is pro-DP, please answer this:

Do you think the DP has been a successful punishment system in America? Why?
And are you aware of the wrongfully accused? Do you still think it is a successful practice if an innocent man/woman has ever been executed by the government?

Thanks.

chadwick

JonnyPistachio wrote:

so, ed243421, chadwick, and anyone else who is pro-DP, please answer this:

Do you think the DP has been a successful punishment system in America? Why?
And are you aware of the wrongfully accused? Do you still think it is a successful practice if an innocent man/woman has ever been executed by the government?

Thanks.

wrongful death sucks balls.
putting to sleep some evil prick is the equivalent of sunshine.
success is the death of a nasty evil thing.
has it cured our problems? no

we are human beings.
we are stupid.

ask any cockroach how smart we are and they will laugh.

ed243421

JonnyPistachio wrote:

so, ed243421, chadwick, and anyone else who is pro-DP, please answer this:

Do you think the DP has been a successful punishment system in America? Why?
And are you aware of the wrongfully accused? Do you still think it is a successful practice if an innocent man/woman has ever been executed by the government?

Thanks.

all we want executed are the monsters caught red-handed with no chance of error
the easy ones
those are the ones that should not waste a dollar or minute of anyone's money or time
their right to a fair trial should not take more than the 10 seconds it would take a judge to say "GUILTY"
any cases with any doubt, do what you want

about ten years back in my town
a guy walks into his former workplace
shotguns, pistols, ammo
kills like 6
wounds others
one of the dead is a mother, first day back from maternity leave
this guy walks to the front door to wait for the police
once they see a video survailence of him doing it
or put his prints on a gun
he should be tried and executed
less than a minute

right now,
he's waiting for lunch
i wonder if his cell has air conditioning
it's like a 100 degrees here in massachusetts today