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Cliffy6745

I don't think Spieth is a force right now

Indifference71

Cliffy6745 said:

I don't think Spieth is a force right now

Yeah not at all.  He has had a brutal year.

The Juggler

Indifference71 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

I don't think Spieth is a force right now

Yeah not at all.  He has had a brutal year.

Wasn't he 3rd in the Masters and top 10 at British Open? I mean he's definitely not playing his best but, "brutal and not a force"? Not a chance.

Indifference71

The Juggler said:

Indifference71 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

I don't think Spieth is a force right now

Yeah not at all.  He has had a brutal year.

Wasn't he 3rd in the Masters and top 10 at British Open? I mean he's definitely not playing his best but, "brutal and not a force"? Not a chance.

He has had some good moments, but it has been over a year since his last win.....that's a really long time for a guy as good as Spieth.  He has even said it himself that he is struggling big time this year.

Cliffy6745

The Juggler said:

Indifference71 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

I don't think Spieth is a force right now

Yeah not at all.  He has had a brutal year.

Wasn't he 3rd in the Masters and top 10 at British Open? I mean he's definitely not playing his best but, "brutal and not a force"? Not a chance.

Masters was a big time back door 3rd, Kuchar style, with a big final round and he was never really a threat, was he?  Also, that dude is gonna be in contention at that course until he's 60, like Freddy.  British he was in the final group and choked.

He came into the season ranked 2nd in the world and is currently 42nd in the FedEx rankings, so yea, I wouldn't say he's much of a force this year.

Cliffy6745

Just to add, Spieth hasn't won a tournament in over 12 months.  Last was the 2017 British, right?

Also, I don't think Tiger is a "force" yet.  He's a great story and I think he's going to win again, but I don't think anyone is scared of him right now.  I'd label Tiger as competitive at this point.  That said, obviously worthy of the coverage.

lastexitlondon

There are so many great players now it's excellent  for the game and so great to watch unfold. Many potential winners instead of just a few. I love it

The Juggler

I hear what you guys are saying. Maybe "inconsistent" is the better way to describe his year. I don't know....I don't care how you end up there, finishing top 10 in two majors is far from a brutal year in my book. He's also got the 3rd best odds this week.

For me it takes a much longer period of time than one year to move out of the "being a force" category of player. That's why it won't shock anyone to see him win the PGA this week.

Cliffy6745

The Juggler said:

I hear what you guys are saying. Maybe "inconsistent" is the better way to describe his year. I don't know....I don't care how you end up there, finishing top 10 in two majors is far from a brutal year in my book. He's also got the 3rd best odds this week.

For me it takes a much longer period of time than one year to move out of the "being a force" category of player. That's why it won't shock anyone to see him win the PGA this week.

I mean I get it.  You value mediocrity as in the Phillies leading a crap ass division in a crap ass league and puffing your chest about it.   

If we're using this force language, you gotta be a serious contender to win and with where his game's at right now, I just don't think he is.  See I think other sports, I get where you're coming from and would agree, but golf is so fickle if your game is off, you don't have a shot and that's how I look at him this year.  Not saying he can't get back there quickly.  But I'm talking people who are threats to win every time they tee off.

So yeah, now he's definitely going to win this weekend.  Sounds like this course is gonna be a Firestone style leader board, so probably not, but after this convo I'll be eating my words.

The Juggler

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

I hear what you guys are saying. Maybe "inconsistent" is the better way to describe his year. I don't know....I don't care how you end up there, finishing top 10 in two majors is far from a brutal year in my book. He's also got the 3rd best odds this week.

For me it takes a much longer period of time than one year to move out of the "being a force" category of player. That's why it won't shock anyone to see him win the PGA this week.

I mean I get it.  You value mediocrity as in the Phillies leading a crap ass division in a crap ass league and puffing your chest about it.   

If we're using this force language, you gotta be a serious contender to win and with where his game's at right now, I just don't think he is.  See I think other sports, I get where you're coming from and would agree, but golf is so fickle if your game is off, you don't have a shot and that's how I look at him this year.  Not saying he can't get back there quickly.  But I'm talking people who are threats to win every time they tee off.

So yeah, now he's definitely going to win this weekend.  Sounds like this course is gonna be a Firestone style leader board, so probably not, but after this convo I'll be eating my words.

Dude--he almost won the British Open a couple weeks ago... in what's considered a down year for him. He'll be fine.

And it's okay that you were wrong about the Phils this year, Cliff. I won't hold that against you.

Cliffy6745

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

I hear what you guys are saying. Maybe "inconsistent" is the better way to describe his year. I don't know....I don't care how you end up there, finishing top 10 in two majors is far from a brutal year in my book. He's also got the 3rd best odds this week.

For me it takes a much longer period of time than one year to move out of the "being a force" category of player. That's why it won't shock anyone to see him win the PGA this week.

I mean I get it.  You value mediocrity as in the Phillies leading a crap ass division in a crap ass league and puffing your chest about it.   

If we're using this force language, you gotta be a serious contender to win and with where his game's at right now, I just don't think he is.  See I think other sports, I get where you're coming from and would agree, but golf is so fickle if your game is off, you don't have a shot and that's how I look at him this year.  Not saying he can't get back there quickly.  But I'm talking people who are threats to win every time they tee off.

So yeah, now he's definitely going to win this weekend.  Sounds like this course is gonna be a Firestone style leader board, so probably not, but after this convo I'll be eating my words.

Dude--he almost won the British Open a couple weeks ago... in what's considered a down year for him. He'll be fine.

And it's okay that you were wrong about the Phils this year, Cliff. I won't hold that against you.

Did he though?

See I wasn't wrong.  It's not my fault the Nats stink.

Cliffy6745

The Phillies offense is as exciting to watch as boy wonder hitting driver. Ba dum ching.

The Juggler

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

I hear what you guys are saying. Maybe "inconsistent" is the better way to describe his year. I don't know....I don't care how you end up there, finishing top 10 in two majors is far from a brutal year in my book. He's also got the 3rd best odds this week.

For me it takes a much longer period of time than one year to move out of the "being a force" category of player. That's why it won't shock anyone to see him win the PGA this week.

I mean I get it.  You value mediocrity as in the Phillies leading a crap ass division in a crap ass league and puffing your chest about it.   

If we're using this force language, you gotta be a serious contender to win and with where his game's at right now, I just don't think he is.  See I think other sports, I get where you're coming from and would agree, but golf is so fickle if your game is off, you don't have a shot and that's how I look at him this year.  Not saying he can't get back there quickly.  But I'm talking people who are threats to win every time they tee off.

So yeah, now he's definitely going to win this weekend.  Sounds like this course is gonna be a Firestone style leader board, so probably not, but after this convo I'll be eating my words.

Dude--he almost won the British Open a couple weeks ago... in what's considered a down year for him. He'll be fine.

And it's okay that you were wrong about the Phils this year, Cliff. I won't hold that against you.

Did he though?

See I wasn't wrong.  It's not my fault the Nats stink.

Finishing in the top ten in a major is nothing to sneeze at.

And, sure, the Nats struggling is the reason the Phils are on pace for 90 wins.

Cliffy6745

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

I hear what you guys are saying. Maybe "inconsistent" is the better way to describe his year. I don't know....I don't care how you end up there, finishing top 10 in two majors is far from a brutal year in my book. He's also got the 3rd best odds this week.

For me it takes a much longer period of time than one year to move out of the "being a force" category of player. That's why it won't shock anyone to see him win the PGA this week.

I mean I get it.  You value mediocrity as in the Phillies leading a crap ass division in a crap ass league and puffing your chest about it.   

If we're using this force language, you gotta be a serious contender to win and with where his game's at right now, I just don't think he is.  See I think other sports, I get where you're coming from and would agree, but golf is so fickle if your game is off, you don't have a shot and that's how I look at him this year.  Not saying he can't get back there quickly.  But I'm talking people who are threats to win every time they tee off.

So yeah, now he's definitely going to win this weekend.  Sounds like this course is gonna be a Firestone style leader board, so probably not, but after this convo I'll be eating my words.

Dude--he almost won the British Open a couple weeks ago... in what's considered a down year for him. He'll be fine.

And it's okay that you were wrong about the Phils this year, Cliff. I won't hold that against you.

Did he though?

See I wasn't wrong.  It's not my fault the Nats stink.

Finishing in the top ten in a major is nothing to sneeze at.

And, sure, the Nats struggling is the reason the Phils are on pace for 90 wins.

Obviously not, and everyone thought he was going to win going into the final round, but he took him self out of it within an hour. We can go in circles all day. The dude is barely 25 and has 3 majors and is probably a hall of famer already. I get that.  I just don't think anyone is scared of him this year.  It can turn quickly though

I mean, it has some impact on it.  Also the fact that there isn't a good team in the NL helps.  They have more wins than I expected. Their starters are better than I expected. I don't think they are very good though.  12th best run differential in baseball. Better than I expected but general mediocrity.  Their record is over achieving.  

The Juggler

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

I hear what you guys are saying. Maybe "inconsistent" is the better way to describe his year. I don't know....I don't care how you end up there, finishing top 10 in two majors is far from a brutal year in my book. He's also got the 3rd best odds this week.

For me it takes a much longer period of time than one year to move out of the "being a force" category of player. That's why it won't shock anyone to see him win the PGA this week.

I mean I get it.  You value mediocrity as in the Phillies leading a crap ass division in a crap ass league and puffing your chest about it.   

If we're using this force language, you gotta be a serious contender to win and with where his game's at right now, I just don't think he is.  See I think other sports, I get where you're coming from and would agree, but golf is so fickle if your game is off, you don't have a shot and that's how I look at him this year.  Not saying he can't get back there quickly.  But I'm talking people who are threats to win every time they tee off.

So yeah, now he's definitely going to win this weekend.  Sounds like this course is gonna be a Firestone style leader board, so probably not, but after this convo I'll be eating my words.

Dude--he almost won the British Open a couple weeks ago... in what's considered a down year for him. He'll be fine.

And it's okay that you were wrong about the Phils this year, Cliff. I won't hold that against you.

Did he though?

See I wasn't wrong.  It's not my fault the Nats stink.

Finishing in the top ten in a major is nothing to sneeze at.

And, sure, the Nats struggling is the reason the Phils are on pace for 90 wins.

Obviously not, and everyone thought he was going to win going into the final round, but he took him self out of it within an hour. We can go in circles all day. The dude is barely 25 and has 3 majors and is probably a hall of famer already. I get that.  I just don't think anyone is scared of him this year.  It can turn quickly though

I mean, it has some impact on it.  Also the fact that there isn't a good team in the NL helps.  They have more wins than I expected. Their starters are better than I expected. I don't think they are very good though.  12th best run differential in baseball. Better than I expected but general mediocrity.  Their record is over achieving.  

I remember you calling them stupid for signing Arrietta. With him, they've got one of the deeper rotations in baseball with one of the game's best aces. That is the primary reason for their success thus far. They also have the best bullpen in the NL over the last 6 or 7 weeks. Offense has slowly but surely rounded into form recently as well.

Run differential is cute but they're also 41-32 vs teams over .500. Overachieving yes-but they're better than you think and a year or two ahead of schedule.

Cliffy6745

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

I hear what you guys are saying. Maybe "inconsistent" is the better way to describe his year. I don't know....I don't care how you end up there, finishing top 10 in two majors is far from a brutal year in my book. He's also got the 3rd best odds this week.

For me it takes a much longer period of time than one year to move out of the "being a force" category of player. That's why it won't shock anyone to see him win the PGA this week.

I mean I get it.  You value mediocrity as in the Phillies leading a crap ass division in a crap ass league and puffing your chest about it.   

If we're using this force language, you gotta be a serious contender to win and with where his game's at right now, I just don't think he is.  See I think other sports, I get where you're coming from and would agree, but golf is so fickle if your game is off, you don't have a shot and that's how I look at him this year.  Not saying he can't get back there quickly.  But I'm talking people who are threats to win every time they tee off.

So yeah, now he's definitely going to win this weekend.  Sounds like this course is gonna be a Firestone style leader board, so probably not, but after this convo I'll be eating my words.

Dude--he almost won the British Open a couple weeks ago... in what's considered a down year for him. He'll be fine.

And it's okay that you were wrong about the Phils this year, Cliff. I won't hold that against you.

Did he though?

See I wasn't wrong.  It's not my fault the Nats stink.

Finishing in the top ten in a major is nothing to sneeze at.

And, sure, the Nats struggling is the reason the Phils are on pace for 90 wins.

Obviously not, and everyone thought he was going to win going into the final round, but he took him self out of it within an hour. We can go in circles all day. The dude is barely 25 and has 3 majors and is probably a hall of famer already. I get that.  I just don't think anyone is scared of him this year.  It can turn quickly though

I mean, it has some impact on it.  Also the fact that there isn't a good team in the NL helps.  They have more wins than I expected. Their starters are better than I expected. I don't think they are very good though.  12th best run differential in baseball. Better than I expected but general mediocrity.  Their record is over achieving.  

I remember you calling them stupid for signing Arrietta. With him, they've got one of the deeper rotations in baseball with one of the game's best aces. That is the primary reason for their success thus far. They also have the best bullpen in the NL over the last 6 or 7 weeks. Offense has slowly but surely rounded into form recently as well.

Run differential is cute but they're also 41-32 vs teams over .500. Overachieving yes-but they're better than you think and a year or two ahead of schedule.

You know what matters in baseball? Scoring more than your opppnents. Yanks have a great record against good teams too. So what.

Still don’t like the arrieta signing because everything but the Phillies record tells you that they’re kinda shitty, which at the end of the day is all that really counts but winning with a run differential like that is not sustainable. And I could even see the Phillies winning a playoff series because you know what, the NL is basically triple a.

its okay. You celebrate mediocrity. The Phillies are like a good mid major basketball team. 

Back to golf. Hot take. Boy wonder’s best days are behind him. Won’t ever have the ignorant confidence (I say that in a positive way) that he once had

The Juggler

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

I hear what you guys are saying. Maybe "inconsistent" is the better way to describe his year. I don't know....I don't care how you end up there, finishing top 10 in two majors is far from a brutal year in my book. He's also got the 3rd best odds this week.

For me it takes a much longer period of time than one year to move out of the "being a force" category of player. That's why it won't shock anyone to see him win the PGA this week.

I mean I get it.  You value mediocrity as in the Phillies leading a crap ass division in a crap ass league and puffing your chest about it.   

If we're using this force language, you gotta be a serious contender to win and with where his game's at right now, I just don't think he is.  See I think other sports, I get where you're coming from and would agree, but golf is so fickle if your game is off, you don't have a shot and that's how I look at him this year.  Not saying he can't get back there quickly.  But I'm talking people who are threats to win every time they tee off.

So yeah, now he's definitely going to win this weekend.  Sounds like this course is gonna be a Firestone style leader board, so probably not, but after this convo I'll be eating my words.

Dude--he almost won the British Open a couple weeks ago... in what's considered a down year for him. He'll be fine.

And it's okay that you were wrong about the Phils this year, Cliff. I won't hold that against you.

Did he though?

See I wasn't wrong.  It's not my fault the Nats stink.

Finishing in the top ten in a major is nothing to sneeze at.

And, sure, the Nats struggling is the reason the Phils are on pace for 90 wins.

Obviously not, and everyone thought he was going to win going into the final round, but he took him self out of it within an hour. We can go in circles all day. The dude is barely 25 and has 3 majors and is probably a hall of famer already. I get that.  I just don't think anyone is scared of him this year.  It can turn quickly though

I mean, it has some impact on it.  Also the fact that there isn't a good team in the NL helps.  They have more wins than I expected. Their starters are better than I expected. I don't think they are very good though.  12th best run differential in baseball. Better than I expected but general mediocrity.  Their record is over achieving.  

I remember you calling them stupid for signing Arrietta. With him, they've got one of the deeper rotations in baseball with one of the game's best aces. That is the primary reason for their success thus far. They also have the best bullpen in the NL over the last 6 or 7 weeks. Offense has slowly but surely rounded into form recently as well.

Run differential is cute but they're also 41-32 vs teams over .500. Overachieving yes-but they're better than you think and a year or two ahead of schedule.

You know what matters in baseball? Scoring more than your opppnents. Yanks have a great record against good teams too. So what.

Still don’t like the arrieta signing because everything but the Phillies record tells you that they’re kinda shitty, which at the end of the day is all that really counts but winning with a run differential like that is not sustainable. And I could even see the Phillies winning a playoff series because you know what, the NL is basically triple a.

its okay. You celebrate mediocrity. The Phillies are like a good mid major basketball team. 

Back to golf. Hot take. Boy wonder’s best days are behind him. Won’t ever have the ignorant confidence (I say that in a positive way) that he once had

Ha....so it seems like you put literally no stock in good pitching. Alrighty then.

Generally speaking, the better teams in the league tend to have the best records against teams with winning records. Only the Yanks and Redsox have a better winning percentage vs .500 teams than the Phils do. Phils are also 10-5 vs your AL. Onward. Upward.

Cliffy6745

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

I hear what you guys are saying. Maybe "inconsistent" is the better way to describe his year. I don't know....I don't care how you end up there, finishing top 10 in two majors is far from a brutal year in my book. He's also got the 3rd best odds this week.

For me it takes a much longer period of time than one year to move out of the "being a force" category of player. That's why it won't shock anyone to see him win the PGA this week.

I mean I get it.  You value mediocrity as in the Phillies leading a crap ass division in a crap ass league and puffing your chest about it.   

If we're using this force language, you gotta be a serious contender to win and with where his game's at right now, I just don't think he is.  See I think other sports, I get where you're coming from and would agree, but golf is so fickle if your game is off, you don't have a shot and that's how I look at him this year.  Not saying he can't get back there quickly.  But I'm talking people who are threats to win every time they tee off.

So yeah, now he's definitely going to win this weekend.  Sounds like this course is gonna be a Firestone style leader board, so probably not, but after this convo I'll be eating my words.

Dude--he almost won the British Open a couple weeks ago... in what's considered a down year for him. He'll be fine.

And it's okay that you were wrong about the Phils this year, Cliff. I won't hold that against you.

Did he though?

See I wasn't wrong.  It's not my fault the Nats stink.

Finishing in the top ten in a major is nothing to sneeze at.

And, sure, the Nats struggling is the reason the Phils are on pace for 90 wins.

Obviously not, and everyone thought he was going to win going into the final round, but he took him self out of it within an hour. We can go in circles all day. The dude is barely 25 and has 3 majors and is probably a hall of famer already. I get that.  I just don't think anyone is scared of him this year.  It can turn quickly though

I mean, it has some impact on it.  Also the fact that there isn't a good team in the NL helps.  They have more wins than I expected. Their starters are better than I expected. I don't think they are very good though.  12th best run differential in baseball. Better than I expected but general mediocrity.  Their record is over achieving.  

I remember you calling them stupid for signing Arrietta. With him, they've got one of the deeper rotations in baseball with one of the game's best aces. That is the primary reason for their success thus far. They also have the best bullpen in the NL over the last 6 or 7 weeks. Offense has slowly but surely rounded into form recently as well.

Run differential is cute but they're also 41-32 vs teams over .500. Overachieving yes-but they're better than you think and a year or two ahead of schedule.

You know what matters in baseball? Scoring more than your opppnents. Yanks have a great record against good teams too. So what.

Still don’t like the arrieta signing because everything but the Phillies record tells you that they’re kinda shitty, which at the end of the day is all that really counts but winning with a run differential like that is not sustainable. And I could even see the Phillies winning a playoff series because you know what, the NL is basically triple a.

its okay. You celebrate mediocrity. The Phillies are like a good mid major basketball team. 

Back to golf. Hot take. Boy wonder’s best days are behind him. Won’t ever have the ignorant confidence (I say that in a positive way) that he once had

Ha....so it seems like you put literally no stock in good pitching. Alrighty then.

Generally speaking, the better teams in the league tend to have the best records against teams with winning records. Only the Yanks and Redsox have a better winning percentage vs .500 teams than the Phils do. Phils are also 10-5 vs your AL. Onward. Upward.

I have said I like their pitching in general 

yanks stink 

The Juggler

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

I hear what you guys are saying. Maybe "inconsistent" is the better way to describe his year. I don't know....I don't care how you end up there, finishing top 10 in two majors is far from a brutal year in my book. He's also got the 3rd best odds this week.

For me it takes a much longer period of time than one year to move out of the "being a force" category of player. That's why it won't shock anyone to see him win the PGA this week.

I mean I get it.  You value mediocrity as in the Phillies leading a crap ass division in a crap ass league and puffing your chest about it.   

If we're using this force language, you gotta be a serious contender to win and with where his game's at right now, I just don't think he is.  See I think other sports, I get where you're coming from and would agree, but golf is so fickle if your game is off, you don't have a shot and that's how I look at him this year.  Not saying he can't get back there quickly.  But I'm talking people who are threats to win every time they tee off.

So yeah, now he's definitely going to win this weekend.  Sounds like this course is gonna be a Firestone style leader board, so probably not, but after this convo I'll be eating my words.

Dude--he almost won the British Open a couple weeks ago... in what's considered a down year for him. He'll be fine.

And it's okay that you were wrong about the Phils this year, Cliff. I won't hold that against you.

Did he though?

See I wasn't wrong.  It's not my fault the Nats stink.

Finishing in the top ten in a major is nothing to sneeze at.

And, sure, the Nats struggling is the reason the Phils are on pace for 90 wins.

Obviously not, and everyone thought he was going to win going into the final round, but he took him self out of it within an hour. We can go in circles all day. The dude is barely 25 and has 3 majors and is probably a hall of famer already. I get that.  I just don't think anyone is scared of him this year.  It can turn quickly though

I mean, it has some impact on it.  Also the fact that there isn't a good team in the NL helps.  They have more wins than I expected. Their starters are better than I expected. I don't think they are very good though.  12th best run differential in baseball. Better than I expected but general mediocrity.  Their record is over achieving.  

I remember you calling them stupid for signing Arrietta. With him, they've got one of the deeper rotations in baseball with one of the game's best aces. That is the primary reason for their success thus far. They also have the best bullpen in the NL over the last 6 or 7 weeks. Offense has slowly but surely rounded into form recently as well.

Run differential is cute but they're also 41-32 vs teams over .500. Overachieving yes-but they're better than you think and a year or two ahead of schedule.

You know what matters in baseball? Scoring more than your opppnents. Yanks have a great record against good teams too. So what.

Still don’t like the arrieta signing because everything but the Phillies record tells you that they’re kinda shitty, which at the end of the day is all that really counts but winning with a run differential like that is not sustainable. And I could even see the Phillies winning a playoff series because you know what, the NL is basically triple a.

its okay. You celebrate mediocrity. The Phillies are like a good mid major basketball team. 

Back to golf. Hot take. Boy wonder’s best days are behind him. Won’t ever have the ignorant confidence (I say that in a positive way) that he once had

Ha....so it seems like you put literally no stock in good pitching. Alrighty then.

Generally speaking, the better teams in the league tend to have the best records against teams with winning records. Only the Yanks and Redsox have a better winning percentage vs .500 teams than the Phils do. Phils are also 10-5 vs your AL. Onward. Upward.

I have said I like their pitching in general 

yanks stink 

I must have missed that. Was too focused on the “everything but their record is shitty” comment. 

darwinstheory