I also have question,
when the latino people try debunk this new law did they get any funding from a latino rights group ?
or do latino rights groups contribute any money to a latino politician ?........ummmm
RACISM !!!!!!!!!
Godfather.
You're kidding, right? I'm sure you know the difference between the words "rights" and "supremacist".
have you been sheltered your whole life ? you sound like you would protest anything just to protest and not really know what life is out side your t.v.
...my friends live on a canyon in a nice area and the day workers live in the canyon at for the last 1-2 years
and since then the crime( stolen bicycles burgleries) in that part of the area has jumped and canyon looks like a dump site and police can't seem to stop them so imo something needs to be done.
Godfather.
...
Question. How nice of an area can it be... if illegals can afford to live there?
I mean, here in L.A.... they live in the raunchiest places in the city... El Sereno, Inglewood, Bell, Lynwood, Willlowbrook... not Brentwood, Topanga, Irvine, West L.A.
if I have to explain you probably wouldn't understand, by the way I know L.A pretty well and have a few people there even lived out side L.A in Azusa for a few years,you don't need to tell me anything about L.A.
btw is it hate because the bill dose not allow illegals into the us ?
if thats what you believe then who is the racist here ?
Godfather.
I believe the hate/racism/whatever you call it part comes from the fact that the law creates a situation where people of color are more likely to be harassed, and this will now be legal. Many believe that America would never tolerate such a law were it directed at white people, and this double standard indicates that the people who support this bill, as a group, want only to protect their own rights but are willing to sacrifice the rights of their fellow citizens who don't fit the prototype of what many feel America should look like.
It has nothing to do with not allowing "illegals" into the US.
so you think this law was created just to harass the brown people ? wow ! :?
Godfather.
Dude... that's totally not what I said. Did you really think that's what I said or are you just trying to put words in my mouth? :?
No, I don't think this law was created just to harass brown people. I think this law will serve to allow - and possibly encourage - brown people to be harassed. And I think the only reason so many Americans don't recognize or care about that is because it's not their group that will be the victims of the harassment.
I also have question,
when the latino people try debunk this new law did they get any funding from a latino rights group ?
or do latino rights groups contribute any money to a latino politician ?........ummmm
RACISM !!!!!!!!!
Godfather.
You're kidding, right? I'm sure you know the difference between the words "rights" and "supremacist".
have you been sheltered your whole life ? you sound like you would protest anything just to protest and not really know what life is out side your t.v.
Godfather.
I don't even own a TV. :roll: And, no, I haven't been sheltered my whole life and, no, I wouldn't protest anything just to protest.
I'm just amazed and frightened by the lack of critical thinking I see so often... like in your post.
And I can't help but notice that you totally avoided answering my question.
most of your questions seem retoical (no disrespect intended)
yes I know the differance between "rights and supremacise" and lack of critical thinking....what do you think
is going on here this law was put in place to combat a critical problem that is costing the US a ton of money
and lives on both sides of the border, it needs to be addressed.
IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.
IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.
IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.
IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.
IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.
IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET
1 - A JOB,
2 - A DRIVERS LICENSE,
3 - SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,
4 - WELFARE,
5 - FOOD STAMPS,
6 - CREDIT CARDS,
7 - SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,
8 - FREE EDUCATION,
9 - FREE HEALTH CARE,
10 - A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON
11 - BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE
12 - AND THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY'S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH RESPECT
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD A FIRM GRASP ON THE SITUATION.
Got this emailed to me this am from a friend. She and I have never talked politics, 35 years, my better half of the Buzz twins. It shocks me how this is hitting everyone, one side or the other. Its time something is done.
Its a complicated situation, we would love to have open arms, it's what our country is based on but we are in trouble. We are over taxed and under represented. Some of us think its even too late(me) but something must be done to stop this. We can not (sheer numbers tell us this) sustain illegal immigrants any longer. So Mr. President "What do you say... Calling out"
stop the free hand outs, what is your plan?
IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.
IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.
IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.
IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.
IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.
IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET
1 - A JOB,
2 - A DRIVERS LICENSE,
3 - SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,
4 - WELFARE,
5 - FOOD STAMPS,
6 - CREDIT CARDS,
7 - SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,
8 - FREE EDUCATION,
9 - FREE HEALTH CARE,
10 - A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON
11 - BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE
12 - AND THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY'S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH RESPECT
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD A FIRM GRASP ON THE SITUATION.
Got this emailed to me this am from a friend. She and I have never talked politics, 35 years, my better half of the Buzz twins. It shocks me how this is hitting everyone, one side or the other. Its time something is done.
Its a complicated situation, we would love to have open arms, it's what our country is based on but we are in trouble. We are over taxed and under represented. Some of us think its even too late(me) but something must be done to stop this. We can not (sheer numbers tell us this) sustain illegal immigrants any longer. So Mr. President "What do you say... Calling out"
stop the free hand outs, what is your plan?
Great post !!!
too many people on this board think the us should be kissing the worlds ass and give them what they want,
your post summed it up very well,thanks for sharing.
You really sure you really want to compare yourselves with N Korea, China etc? I thought you make a point out of being better than those...
You can always find worse places in the world if you look hard enough. That doesn't mean your own place is beyond any reproach.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
It's funny how people rationalize the simple fact of being born in a particular location equates to automatic entitlement to so many basic and fundamental human rights, and because we draw lines on the ground and say this is ours and theirs, it dis-allows others to have the same. Where is people's sense of humanity - seriously? Do you really feel that because your ancestry or family situated in a nation it gives you the entitlement to display outcry when people are merely trying to live normal, just lives? At what point do we all just look in the mirror and acknowledge that because we as a society expect things, it affords us the entitlement to disallow others those same basic freedoms? And just to be clear, the vast majority of the people we're discussing aren't criminals or similar, it's merely workers seeking to support their families.. nothing more. We expect others to treat our nation with respect or dignity and values, yet we do not show do that... it's pathetic and hypocritical to say the least.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
It's funny how people rationalize the simple fact of being born in a particular location equates to automatic entitlement to so many basic and fundamental human rights, and because we draw lines on the ground and say this is ours and theirs, it dis-allows others to have the same. Where is people's sense of humanity - seriously? Do you really feel that because your ancestry or family situated in a nation it gives you the entitlement to display outcry when people are merely trying to live normal, just lives? At what point do we all just look in the mirror and acknowledge that because we as a society expect things, it affords us the entitlement to disallow others those same basic freedoms? And just to be clear, the vast majority of the people we're discussing aren't criminals or similar, it's merely workers seeking to support their families.. nothing more. We expect others to treat our nation with respect or dignity and values, yet we do not show do that... it's pathetic and hypocritical to say the least.
one world ?
one people ?
your thoughts are very nice, try taking your ideas to another country and see how far it gets you,
and why is the US the one having to give it up to everybody that can out run a border patrol agent.
No I'm not asking for a one world, but merely just one basic code which everyone despite of location have basic human rights. The simple fact that you reply in the tone using words like "look what everyone else does" or "we have to give up things" merely is implication that we are entitled to things others are not based on our location. Not sure about you, but other than the fact of people trying to work and make their way in life, security is my main issue and this is the one area no one seems to discuss.
But as you state, why is the US the only one to make these type of accommodations? And the answer is because it has the capacity to be the type of place everyone ought to aspire too. With great power comes great responsibility. Our nation is the great experiment and founded based on intentions of freedom, equality and pursuit of happiness - for all religions, cultures, peoples and similar. We may not have ever lived up to these ideals through our history, but it's what makes us special. We're not special because we have the most money and bigger weapons - these aren't aspirations we'd really want others to emulate is it? So what makes us great or aspiring to be great is the ideals of what we can be. But issues like this simply under-mind our willingness to do that on the sole basis of many in our society feel it is ok to play the status quo, keep what we have to ourselves for our own benefit and entitlement and say things like where/who else does these things or why us? The world is full of opportunities to improve for everyone's betterment, but if we just turn the cheek and sit on our hands, not only does it hurt others, it at some point under-minds ourselves and creates a society of self-interest people rather than to those inclined with greater aspirations to help all.
It's funny how people rationalize the simple fact of being born in a particular location equates to automatic entitlement to so many basic and fundamental human rights, and because we draw lines on the ground and say this is ours and theirs, it dis-allows others to have the same. Where is people's sense of humanity - seriously? Do you really feel that because your ancestry or family situated in a nation it gives you the entitlement to display outcry when people are merely trying to live normal, just lives? At what point do we all just look in the mirror and acknowledge that because we as a society expect things, it affords us the entitlement to disallow others those same basic freedoms? And just to be clear, the vast majority of the people we're discussing aren't criminals or similar, it's merely workers seeking to support their families.. nothing more. We expect others to treat our nation with respect or dignity and values, yet we do not show do that... it's pathetic and hypocritical to say the least.
one world ?
one people ?
your thoughts are very nice, try taking your ideas to another country and see how far it gets you,
and why is the US the one having to give it up to everybody that can out run a border patrol agent.
Godfather.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
You really sure you really want to compare yourselves with N Korea, China etc? I thought you make a point out of being better than those...
You can always find worse places in the world if you look hard enough. That doesn't mean your own place is beyond any reproach.
Peace
Dan
I saw your point when first reading this email, they are not countries I want to be likened to either. The author though has made his point on how our country and its working class are being taken advantage of. While showing the hard line strength of other countries to protect their own people.
The free meal ticket stops here. We no longer can afford to take care of the world. Our country is in ruin. Our children's children will be enslaved to pay for the mistakes being made now.
Of course, this could quite possibly be the plan. Enslavement. When a people needs their government power to take care of them they have lost their freedom.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD A FIRM GRASP ON THE SITUATION.
You don't - How can you compare our Democracy and our Laws to those of N. Korea (etc..etc..)...
Ready through this whole thread to get an idea of the Situation.... maybe you can educate yourself.
Maybe you should stop receiving emails from Glen Beck too
You really sure you really want to compare yourselves with N Korea, China etc? I thought you make a point out of being better than those...
You can always find worse places in the world if you look hard enough. That doesn't mean your own place is beyond any reproach.
Peace
Dan
I saw your point when first reading this email, they are not countries I want to be likened to either. The author though has made his point on how our country and its working class are being taken advantage of. While showing the hard line strength of other countries to protect their own people.
The free meal ticket stops here. We no longer can afford to take care of the world. Our country is in ruin. Our children's children will be enslaved to pay for the mistakes being made now.
Of course, this could quite possibly be the plan. Enslavement. When a people needs their government power to take care of them they have lost their freedom.
You really need to stop watching Glen Beck.
When you say "Mistakes being made now", do you feel that the cause of our deficit being so high is because of the current decisions being made?
Illegal immigrants contribute 9 billion a year just on Social Security. They contribute billions more in taxes....
Do you really think our nation could afford to simply ad 20 million people to welfare?
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD A FIRM GRASP ON THE SITUATION.
You don't - How can you compare our Democracy and our Laws to those of N. Korea (etc..etc..)...
Ready through this whole thread to get an idea of the Situation.... maybe you can educate yourself.
Maybe you should stop receiving emails from Glen Beck too
sassy sassy huh? why does this not surprise me that you must offend to make your point.
this email came from a dear friend but I don't think you open your mind enough to read my personal post I included.
I don't get Beck emails
you of course miss the point we are making of the terrible free hand out being given to people who are here illegally
hand outs we can not afford any longer
It's funny how people rationalize the simple fact of being born in a particular location equates to automatic entitlement to so many basic and fundamental human rights, and because we draw lines on the ground and say this is ours and theirs, it dis-allows others to have the same. Where is people's sense of humanity - seriously? Do you really feel that because your ancestry or family situated in a nation it gives you the entitlement to display outcry when people are merely trying to live normal, just lives? At what point do we all just look in the mirror and acknowledge that because we as a society expect things, it affords us the entitlement to disallow others those same basic freedoms? And just to be clear, the vast majority of the people we're discussing aren't criminals or similar, it's merely workers seeking to support their families.. nothing more. We expect others to treat our nation with respect or dignity and values, yet we do not show do that... it's pathetic and hypocritical to say the least.
Exactly! In all of this discussion about immigration & immigrants, we completely fail to acknowedge that the way of life we think we, above others, are entitled to is created BY OUR EXPLOITATION of other peoples. WE are a huge part of the reason so many in this world are so impoverished that they feel the need to come here just to survive. How dare we even suggest that we are somehow more entitled to a basic standard of living than they are! I say, if we want to close our borders completely to immigration because we don't like what immigrants our doing to our country, that's fine with me as long as we repeal NAFTA & close our borders also to our multinational corporations, who should also not be allowed to go out into the world & fuck up other people's societies.
As far as our entitlement goes, I heard a great quote yesterday about human rights: "If access to healthcare [or anything else] is considered a human right, who is considered human enough to have that right?" -Paul Farmer, MD
I saw your point when first reading this email, they are not countries I want to be likened to either. The author though has made his point on how our country and its working class are being taken advantage of. While showing the hard line strength of other countries to protect their own people.
The free meal ticket stops here. We no longer can afford to take care of the world. Our country is in ruin. Our children's children will be enslaved to pay for the mistakes being made now.
Of course, this could quite possibly be the plan. Enslavement. When a people needs their government power to take care of them they have lost their freedom.
the crux of the email is incorrect anyways ... there are illegal aliens everywhere and often in developed countries such as the UK and France ... heck, kids who decide to take an under the table job while backpacking thru europe are the same ... and besides - the truth is if you cross the border illegally in the US you get arrested and deported ... your email just shows what happens to people who get caught in mostly police states ... which makes no sense whatsoever ...
yes - your country IS IN ruin ... but blame the actual people that put you there ...
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD A FIRM GRASP ON THE SITUATION.
You don't - How can you compare our Democracy and our Laws to those of N. Korea (etc..etc..)...
Ready through this whole thread to get an idea of the Situation.... maybe you can educate yourself.
Maybe you should stop receiving emails from Glen Beck too
sassy sassy huh? why does this not surprise me that you must offend to make your point.
this email came from a dear friend but I don't think you open your mind enough to read my personal post I included.
I don't get Beck emails
you of course miss the point we are making of the terrible free hand out being given to people who are here illegally
hand outs we can not afford any longer
I don't understand, what hand outs?
Have you even taken the time to read through this thread? Have you looked at the facts? Have you looked at the statements people have made? You post your email, with out going through the debate taking place on this thread....
Really???
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD A FIRM GRASP ON THE SITUATION.
You don't - How can you compare our Democracy and our Laws to those of N. Korea (etc..etc..)...
Ready through this whole thread to get an idea of the Situation.... maybe you can educate yourself.
Maybe you should stop receiving emails from Glen Beck too
what would make you happy ? how can this law be changed to make you happy and be fair for both
sides of this debate, I would really like to read this.
one world ?
one people ?
your thoughts are very nice, try taking your ideas to another country and see how far it gets you
We take the one world idea to other countries all the time! And it's gotten us far. We're all in support of one world, globalization, etc. when it serves our interests and allows us to exploit others. It's fucking hypocritcal to try to act like this is a bad idea only when it doesn't benefit us.
You really sure you really want to compare yourselves with N Korea, China etc? I thought you make a point out of being better than those...
You can always find worse places in the world if you look hard enough. That doesn't mean your own place is beyond any reproach.
Peace
Dan
I saw your point when first reading this email, they are not countries I want to be likened to either. The author though has made his point on how our country and its working class are being taken advantage of. While showing the hard line strength of other countries to protect their own people.
The free meal ticket stops here. We no longer can afford to take care of the world. Our country is in ruin. Our children's children will be enslaved to pay for the mistakes being made now.
Of course, this could quite possibly be the plan. Enslavement. When a people needs their government power to take care of them they have lost their freedom.
You really need to stop watching Glen Beck.
When you say "Mistakes being made now", do you feel that the cause of our deficit being so high is because of the current decisions being made?
Illegal immigrants contribute 9 billion a year just on Social Security. They contribute billions more in taxes....
Do you really think our nation could afford to simply ad 20 million people to welfare?
Let the Glen Beck thing go, you don't know who you are talking to but you label immediately. Another symptom of a closed mind.
I do aplogize. I did post early on and have not read through it all but I can still have an opinion and point to make. Its just not the one you want to hear if it was you wouldn't be so sassy.
I am in my original post asking our President what is to be done about this problem that is all. I am not the author of the email but feel what we are giving illegals needs to be stopped because we can not afford it. The current deficit is not caused by this but in the future it will be contributing even more if allowed to continue.
We all agree its a problem but how to fix is the question.
You really sure you really want to compare yourselves with N Korea, China etc? I thought you make a point out of being better than those...
You can always find worse places in the world if you look hard enough. That doesn't mean your own place is beyond any reproach.
Peace
Dan
I saw your point when first reading this email, they are not countries I want to be likened to either. The author though has made his point on how our country and its working class are being taken advantage of. While showing the hard line strength of other countries to protect their own people.
The free meal ticket stops here. We no longer can afford to take care of the world. Our country is in ruin. Our children's children will be enslaved to pay for the mistakes being made now.
Of course, this could quite possibly be the plan. Enslavement. When a people needs their government power to take care of them they have lost their freedom.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Let the Glen Beck thing go, you don't know who you are talking to but you label immediately. Another symptom of a closed mind.
I do aplogize. I did post early on and have not read through it all but I can still have an opinion and point to make. Its just not the one you want to hear if it was you wouldn't be so sassy.
I am in my original post asking our President what is to be done about this problem that is all. I am not the author of the email but feel what we are giving illegals needs to be stopped because we can not afford it. The current deficit is not caused by this but in the future it will be contributing even more if allowed to continue.
We all agree its a problem but how to fix is the question.
in most objective studies - it is shown that illegal workers contribute more to state and federal coffers than they receive ... giving them residency or citizenship would change that however, we are talking about illegals here so your case for supporting an obviously hate-based piece of legislation is flawed ...
Now on to more pressing problems, like finding a new pair of jeans to wear to see my favorite band! 4 days and counting!! And really finding the jeans is a major undertaking, figuring out the border trouble might be easier
I will leave you to your debate, I really dislike debate, you know. Hope everybody is
Let the Glen Beck thing go, you don't know who you are talking to but you label immediately. Another symptom of a closed mind.
I do aplogize. I did post early on and have not read through it all but I can still have an opinion and point to make. Its just not the one you want to hear if it was you wouldn't be so sassy.
I am in my original post asking our President what is to be done about this problem that is all. I am not the author of the email but feel what we are giving illegals needs to be stopped because we can not afford it. The current deficit is not caused by this but in the future it will be contributing even more if allowed to continue.
We all agree its a problem but how to fix is the question.
in most objective studies - it is shown that illegal workers contribute more to state and federal coffers than they receive ... giving them residency or citizenship would change that however, we are talking about illegals here so your case for supporting an obviously hate-based piece of legislation is flawed ...
oops never said I supported hate based anything oops anyways fashion is calling enjoy!
It's funny how people rationalize the simple fact of being born in a particular location equates to automatic entitlement to so many basic and fundamental human rights, and because we draw lines on the ground and say this is ours and theirs, it dis-allows others to have the same. Where is people's sense of humanity - seriously? Do you really feel that because your ancestry or family situated in a nation it gives you the entitlement to display outcry when people are merely trying to live normal, just lives? At what point do we all just look in the mirror and acknowledge that because we as a society expect things, it affords us the entitlement to disallow others those same basic freedoms? And just to be clear, the vast majority of the people we're discussing aren't criminals or similar, it's merely workers seeking to support their families.. nothing more. We expect others to treat our nation with respect or dignity and values, yet we do not show do that... it's pathetic and hypocritical to say the least.
Exactly! In all of this discussion about immigration & immigrants, we completely fail to acknowedge that the way of life we think we, above others, are entitled to is created BY OUR EXPLOITATION of other peoples. WE are a huge part of the reason so many in this world are so impoverished that they feel the need to come here just to survive. How dare we even suggest that we are somehow more entitled to a basic standard of living than they are! I say, if we want to close our borders completely to immigration because we don't like what immigrants our doing to our country, that's fine with me as long as we repeal NAFTA & close our borders also to our multinational corporations, who should also not be allowed to go out into the world & fuck up other people's societies.
As far as our entitlement goes, I heard a great quote yesterday about human rights: "If access to healthcare [or anything else] is considered a human right, who is considered human enough to have that right?" -Paul Farmer, MD
No, access to medical care is not a right. It isn't. It isn't in our bill of rights, it isn't anywhere. It might be something that would be good for everyone, but it isn't a right.
On topic, no one is saying don't come here... they are saying come here legally please
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I just do not understand the gripes so many have made. AZ made a choice. Their choice. It is not wrong or right, but a choice. It seems to me that when emotions get involved, the ego isn't far behind and everything gets blown up and nasty. If....and it is a big if, if we are able to look at the bottom line here, what is it that irritates at the core level. Money? Human Rights? Job Security? Just what has everyone so inflamed. History has shown, countless times those who have less want what those who have more of. Yet, it has also been heard that with the accumulation of "Stuff" whether it be $, Belongings, Power, what-not it made the person wish they had less. I just think AZ is trying a new angle to see how it fares. Nothing more, nothing less. As I read posts I am continually assualted with us vs them and that entire scenario. Who is us, and who are "them". I look at politics like a bunch of ticks, those little blood sucking creatures, and there are many of those in this country telling everyone what to do and how to be. If I mind my own business, guess what, I seem to be immune to most things. Sure I get ushered aside at the airport more than most. Sure when I walk into the bank and the teller says, "you must have a wonderful boss to trust you with "x" amount of cash" but it is just people being people. I could come up with fifty reasons to boycott all fifty states. Granted Minnesota would be a challenge, but I could do it.
I happen to be extremely bored at the office today and have been reading posts all AM. If you find what wrote off topic, boring, not worthy of comments, good.....
Not to be rude, but what the hell are you talking about? Enslavement of who and by whom exactly? And at what point in US history have we "taken care of the world" exactly?
I saw your point when first reading this email, they are not countries I want to be likened to either. The author though has made his point on how our country and its working class are being taken advantage of. While showing the hard line strength of other countries to protect their own people.
The free meal ticket stops here. We no longer can afford to take care of the world. Our country is in ruin. Our children's children will be enslaved to pay for the mistakes being made now.
Of course, this could quite possibly be the plan. Enslavement. When a people needs their government power to take care of them they have lost their freedom.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
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have you been sheltered your whole life ? you sound like you would protest anything just to protest and not really know what life is out side your t.v.
Godfather.
if I have to explain you probably wouldn't understand, by the way I know L.A pretty well and have a few people there even lived out side L.A in Azusa for a few years,you don't need to tell me anything about L.A.
Godfather.
Dude... that's totally not what I said. Did you really think that's what I said or are you just trying to put words in my mouth? :?
No, I don't think this law was created just to harass brown people. I think this law will serve to allow - and possibly encourage - brown people to be harassed. And I think the only reason so many Americans don't recognize or care about that is because it's not their group that will be the victims of the harassment.
I don't even own a TV. :roll: And, no, I haven't been sheltered my whole life and, no, I wouldn't protest anything just to protest.
I'm just amazed and frightened by the lack of critical thinking I see so often... like in your post.
And I can't help but notice that you totally avoided answering my question.
yes I know the differance between "rights and supremacise" and lack of critical thinking....what do you think
is going on here this law was put in place to combat a critical problem that is costing the US a ton of money
and lives on both sides of the border, it needs to be addressed.
Godfather.
IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.
IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.
IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.
IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.
IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.
IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET
1 - A JOB,
2 - A DRIVERS LICENSE,
3 - SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,
4 - WELFARE,
5 - FOOD STAMPS,
6 - CREDIT CARDS,
7 - SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,
8 - FREE EDUCATION,
9 - FREE HEALTH CARE,
10 - A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON
11 - BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE
12 - AND THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY'S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH RESPECT
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD A FIRM GRASP ON THE SITUATION.
Got this emailed to me this am from a friend. She and I have never talked politics, 35 years, my better half of the Buzz twins. It shocks me how this is hitting everyone, one side or the other. Its time something is done.
Its a complicated situation, we would love to have open arms, it's what our country is based on but we are in trouble. We are over taxed and under represented. Some of us think its even too late(me) but something must be done to stop this. We can not (sheer numbers tell us this) sustain illegal immigrants any longer. So Mr. President "What do you say... Calling out"
stop the free hand outs, what is your plan?
Great post !!!
too many people on this board think the us should be kissing the worlds ass and give them what they want,
your post summed it up very well,thanks for sharing.
Godfather.
You can always find worse places in the world if you look hard enough. That doesn't mean your own place is beyond any reproach.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
one world ?
one people ?
your thoughts are very nice, try taking your ideas to another country and see how far it gets you,
and why is the US the one having to give it up to everybody that can out run a border patrol agent.
Godfather.
But as you state, why is the US the only one to make these type of accommodations? And the answer is because it has the capacity to be the type of place everyone ought to aspire too. With great power comes great responsibility. Our nation is the great experiment and founded based on intentions of freedom, equality and pursuit of happiness - for all religions, cultures, peoples and similar. We may not have ever lived up to these ideals through our history, but it's what makes us special. We're not special because we have the most money and bigger weapons - these aren't aspirations we'd really want others to emulate is it? So what makes us great or aspiring to be great is the ideals of what we can be. But issues like this simply under-mind our willingness to do that on the sole basis of many in our society feel it is ok to play the status quo, keep what we have to ourselves for our own benefit and entitlement and say things like where/who else does these things or why us? The world is full of opportunities to improve for everyone's betterment, but if we just turn the cheek and sit on our hands, not only does it hurt others, it at some point under-minds ourselves and creates a society of self-interest people rather than to those inclined with greater aspirations to help all.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
The free meal ticket stops here. We no longer can afford to take care of the world. Our country is in ruin. Our children's children will be enslaved to pay for the mistakes being made now.
Of course, this could quite possibly be the plan. Enslavement. When a people needs their government power to take care of them they have lost their freedom.
You don't - How can you compare our Democracy and our Laws to those of N. Korea (etc..etc..)...
Ready through this whole thread to get an idea of the Situation.... maybe you can educate yourself.
Maybe you should stop receiving emails from Glen Beck too
You really need to stop watching Glen Beck.
When you say "Mistakes being made now", do you feel that the cause of our deficit being so high is because of the current decisions being made?
Illegal immigrants contribute 9 billion a year just on Social Security. They contribute billions more in taxes....
Do you really think our nation could afford to simply ad 20 million people to welfare?
this email came from a dear friend but I don't think you open your mind enough to read my personal post I included.
I don't get Beck emails
you of course miss the point we are making of the terrible free hand out being given to people who are here illegally
hand outs we can not afford any longer
Exactly! In all of this discussion about immigration & immigrants, we completely fail to acknowedge that the way of life we think we, above others, are entitled to is created BY OUR EXPLOITATION of other peoples. WE are a huge part of the reason so many in this world are so impoverished that they feel the need to come here just to survive. How dare we even suggest that we are somehow more entitled to a basic standard of living than they are! I say, if we want to close our borders completely to immigration because we don't like what immigrants our doing to our country, that's fine with me as long as we repeal NAFTA & close our borders also to our multinational corporations, who should also not be allowed to go out into the world & fuck up other people's societies.
As far as our entitlement goes, I heard a great quote yesterday about human rights: "If access to healthcare [or anything else] is considered a human right, who is considered human enough to have that right?" -Paul Farmer, MD
the crux of the email is incorrect anyways ... there are illegal aliens everywhere and often in developed countries such as the UK and France ... heck, kids who decide to take an under the table job while backpacking thru europe are the same ... and besides - the truth is if you cross the border illegally in the US you get arrested and deported ... your email just shows what happens to people who get caught in mostly police states ... which makes no sense whatsoever ...
yes - your country IS IN ruin ... but blame the actual people that put you there ...
I don't understand, what hand outs?
Have you even taken the time to read through this thread? Have you looked at the facts? Have you looked at the statements people have made? You post your email, with out going through the debate taking place on this thread....
Really???
what would make you happy ? how can this law be changed to make you happy and be fair for both
sides of this debate, I would really like to read this.
Godfather.
We take the one world idea to other countries all the time! And it's gotten us far. We're all in support of one world, globalization, etc. when it serves our interests and allows us to exploit others. It's fucking hypocritcal to try to act like this is a bad idea only when it doesn't benefit us.
I do aplogize. I did post early on and have not read through it all but I can still have an opinion and point to make. Its just not the one you want to hear
I am in my original post asking our President what is to be done about this problem that is all. I am not the author of the email but feel what we are giving illegals needs to be stopped because we can not afford it. The current deficit is not caused by this but in the future it will be contributing even more if allowed to continue.
We all agree its a problem but how to fix is the question.
in most objective studies - it is shown that illegal workers contribute more to state and federal coffers than they receive ... giving them residency or citizenship would change that however, we are talking about illegals here so your case for supporting an obviously hate-based piece of legislation is flawed ...
I will leave you to your debate, I really dislike debate, you know. Hope everybody is
break up families.
more kids in foster care.
who is paying for them?
certainly, i'm sure you wouldn't think it should be YOUR tax dollars... do you?
No, access to medical care is not a right. It isn't. It isn't in our bill of rights, it isn't anywhere. It might be something that would be good for everyone, but it isn't a right.
On topic, no one is saying don't come here... they are saying come here legally please
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I happen to be extremely bored at the office today and have been reading posts all AM. If you find what wrote off topic, boring, not worthy of comments, good.....
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis