Boycott Anything Involving AZ

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gimmesometruth27 wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

If you are against this new law Please help out with the boycott- Text all of your friends, post it on your face book page, your blogs, your twitter page, etc..etc...
I know some feel a boycott isn't the best solution- and I respect your position, but here is mine and until I here better ideas or find a better approach I will continue to boycott anything related AZ.

thank you,
tony

What f good is a boycott going to do. :? :roll: You sound like that Bafoon,race baiting, ambulance chasing Moron Al not so Sharpton.

Business owners of restaurants and retail stores have nothing to do with this bill or law enforcement for that matter. :roll:

a boycott would decrease tourist dollars flowing into the state for one thing. how about we don't send our kids there for college so they can't rake in the bucks for that hefty out of state tuition? thats a start. truckdrivers are threatening to not drive though there or deliver things or pick up cargo from there so that will hurt business there. he might sound like a buffoon to you, but you sound like a damn racist blog stealing bigot to me.

I know Mexico's president has also made a statement that Mexico will not do business with AZ.
I know many will say, that Mexico needs the US more then the US needs Mexico, and that's simply hate and oppression.
I travel through AZ all the time when visiting some of my family in Mexico- and I see all of the businesses that AZ has in my families town in Mexico - I see first hand, how much money the people, in that particular area, are paid. Well those US businesses rack in the cash! For example they have fields of Asparagus that they grow, some people make 20 dollars a day working those fields, working in the hot desert sun all day, while the US business man racks in the profits. The Mexican land is exploited and its people are used for cheap labor. But no one in that are of Mexico are complaining, at least I've never heard them.
Anyhow, a lot of people are stepping up with boycotts. San Francisco will not being doing business with AZ, many Latino's will not be going to the Dodger games vs AZ, I haven't been watching any of the NBA playoff games involving AZ (i love basketball), etc..etc..

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Godfather. wrote:

scb wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

a boycott would decrease tourist dollars flowing into the state for one thing. how about we don't send our kids there for college so they can't rake in the bucks for that hefty out of state tuition? thats a start. truckdrivers are threatening to not drive though there or deliver things or pick up cargo from there so that will hurt business there. he might sound like a buffoon to you, but you sound like a damn racist blog stealing bigot to me.

Back to the original subject of the thread, do you really believe a boycott of AZ is the answer?

no,it will only hurt the business owners besides it wont happen.

Godfather.

It's happening now- I'm boycotting .... That's at least one voice

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gimmesometruth27 wrote:

scb wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

a boycott would decrease tourist dollars flowing into the state for one thing. how about we don't send our kids there for college so they can't rake in the bucks for that hefty out of state tuition? thats a start. truckdrivers are threatening to not drive though there or deliver things or pick up cargo from there so that will hurt business there. he might sound like a buffoon to you, but you sound like a damn racist blog stealing bigot to me.

Back to the original subject of the thread, do you really believe a boycott of AZ is the answer?

no, and i don't have "the answer". nobody does, as evidenced by all of the hatred thrown around on the board these last few days...but decreased toursim and businesses getting hurt is not good for any state. as in any movement, you want to hit them where it hurts, and that is in the revenue stream. i've been to arizona a few times and i loved it. but i will not be going back now because my principles mean more to me than any vacation spot.

Well said. I agree.
Isn't that what Sanctions are all about? When the US tries to hurt other nations, by removing economic means, so that we can get there attention and cooperation?

Jason P

A boycott against a corporation or single entity may achieve attainable results but I think it would be difficult to use a boycott as a means of persuasion against an entire state. Also, if you are somehow successful in boycotting to the point where it is news-worthy, then your opponents may go out of their way to spend their money in AZ therefore negating your efforts.

Opponents of this bill need to focus their attack and I believe that a general boycott of the entire state of Arizona will have a negligible impact. Right now the pressure should be put on through protest and by calling upon local leaders to support your cause.

WaveCameCrashin

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

scb wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

a boycott would decrease tourist dollars flowing into the state for one thing. how about we don't send our kids there for college so they can't rake in the bucks for that hefty out of state tuition? thats a start. truckdrivers are threatening to not drive though there or deliver things or pick up cargo from there so that will hurt business there. he might sound like a buffoon to you, but you sound like a damn racist blog stealing bigot to me.

Back to the original subject of the thread, do you really believe a boycott of AZ is the answer?

no, and i don't have "the answer". nobody does, as evidenced by all of the hatred thrown around on the board these last few days...but decreased toursim and businesses getting hurt is not good for any state. as in any movement, you want to hit them where it hurts, and that is in the revenue stream. i've been to arizona a few times and i loved it. but i will not be going back now because my principles mean more to me than any vacation spot.

and what principls are those ??? Ignoring the rule of law ?? As matter of fact why don't you just boycott every state. Since it's the same as the federal law..

gimmesometruth27

prfctlefts wrote:

and what principls are those ??? Ignoring the rule of law ?? As matter of fact why don't you just boycott every state. Since it's the same as the federal law..

rule of WHAT law? this law is NOT the same as the federal law. there are too many immigration laws and all say different things. nobody knows what to enforce. its like playing a game of one on one with an uncoordinated child and calling him for double dribble. sometimes you have to end up letting some things slide...

WaveCameCrashin

tonifig8 wrote:

I know Mexico's president has also made a statement that Mexico will not do business with AZ.

Oh now there's a hypocrite and MORON if there ever was one. Who cares what he says !!!! He's part of the damn problem. He cant even control all the NARCO TERRORISM that is happenning in Mexico and that is spilling over the southern boarder !!!

They have some of the most horrific and racist immagration laws in the world against other Hispanics who come up from Costa Rica, Honduras, Nicaragua ect.

All Arizona is doing is enforcing FEDERAL LAW. How can any reasonable person not understand this????
It is the job of the Federal Gov to protect it's citizens from chaos and mayhem which is what we have on the southern boarder of Arizona.

WaveCameCrashin

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

and what principls are those ??? Ignoring the rule of law ?? As matter of fact why don't you just boycott every state. Since it's the same as the federal law..

rule of WHAT law? this law is NOT the same as the federal law. there are too many immigration laws and all say different things. nobody knows what to enforce. its like playing a game of one on one with an uncoordinated child and calling him for double dribble. sometimes you have to end up letting some things slide...

Whatever you know what I mean :roll:
You can't just stroll into our country without any kind of legal documentaton.

The law arizona passed is essentially federal law. All they did was pass statutes that said that they could enforce federal law. it's that simple

gimmesometruth27

prfctlefts wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

and what principls are those ??? Ignoring the rule of law ?? As matter of fact why don't you just boycott every state. Since it's the same as the federal law..

rule of WHAT law? this law is NOT the same as the federal law. there are too many immigration laws and all say different things. nobody knows what to enforce. its like playing a game of one on one with an uncoordinated child and calling him for double dribble. sometimes you have to end up letting some things slide...

Whatever you know what I mean :roll:
You can't just stroll into our country without any kind of legal documentaton.

The law arizona passed is essentially federal law. All they did was pass statutes that said that they could enforce federal law. it's that simple

nobody is saying stroll right in without any kind of legal documentation. i am saying don't fucking profile people. its illegal, unconstitutional, and just dickish.

and i will say it again, that law is not the same as the federal law(s).

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tonifig8 wrote:

scb wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

a boycott would decrease tourist dollars flowing into the state for one thing. how about we don't send our kids there for college so they can't rake in the bucks for that hefty out of state tuition? thats a start. truckdrivers are threatening to not drive though there or deliver things or pick up cargo from there so that will hurt business there. he might sound like a buffoon to you, but you sound like a damn racist blog stealing bigot to me.

Back to the original subject of the thread, do you really believe a boycott of AZ is the answer?

SBC,
I respect your opinion and find many of your posts to be fare and balanced. I know you and I do not agree on the boycott, but for me it's really all I can do. That and debate on various social forums. I have called the white house, congress representatives, and various political action groups.

Thanks, and good job on calling Congress, etc. :thumbup: I actually didn't realize you were in support of the boycott, which is why I was asking.

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gimmesometruth27 wrote:

scb wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

a boycott would decrease tourist dollars flowing into the state for one thing. how about we don't send our kids there for college so they can't rake in the bucks for that hefty out of state tuition? thats a start. truckdrivers are threatening to not drive though there or deliver things or pick up cargo from there so that will hurt business there. he might sound like a buffoon to you, but you sound like a damn racist blog stealing bigot to me.

Back to the original subject of the thread, do you really believe a boycott of AZ is the answer?

no, and i don't have "the answer". nobody does, as evidenced by all of the hatred thrown around on the board these last few days...but decreased toursim and businesses getting hurt is not good for any state. as in any movement, you want to hit them where it hurts, and that is in the revenue stream. i've been to arizona a few times and i loved it. but i will not be going back now because my principles mean more to me than any vacation spot.

So are you boycotting anything involving Arizona, as this thread suggested? Or just the AZ government? Would you boycott the friend I spoke of selling merch at the skate competition?

I guess my main question is: How can you be assured that such a boycott isn't doing more harm (to the people you are trying to stand up for) than good? And, if you can't really be assured of this, is it worth the risk? I don't watch the news so I don't know the answer to this, but has anyone asked the people of color in AZ whether or not they want us to boycott in such a way on their behalf?

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tonifig8 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

scb wrote:

Back to the original subject of the thread, do you really believe a boycott of AZ is the answer?

no, and i don't have "the answer". nobody does, as evidenced by all of the hatred thrown around on the board these last few days...but decreased toursim and businesses getting hurt is not good for any state. as in any movement, you want to hit them where it hurts, and that is in the revenue stream. i've been to arizona a few times and i loved it. but i will not be going back now because my principles mean more to me than any vacation spot.

Well said. I agree.
Isn't that what Sanctions are all about? When the US tries to hurt other nations, by removing economic means, so that we can get there attention and cooperation?

And don't humanitarian organizations frequently oppose sanctions because of the harm they do to the citizens of the country being sanctioned?

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prfctlefts wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

I know Mexico's president has also made a statement that Mexico will not do business with AZ.

Oh now there's a hypocrite and MORON if there ever was one.

FYI... Calling the Mexican president names is not a good way to dispel the idea that perhaps you just have a personal problem with Mexicans.

prfctlefts wrote:

All Arizona is doing is enforcing FEDERAL LAW. How can any reasonable person not understand this????

I really don't understand why you keep saying this. :?

prfctlefts wrote:

It is the job of the Federal Gov to protect it's citizens from chaos and mayhem which is what we have on the southern boarder of Arizona.

Or this.

aerial

I will personally start a BUYcott for Arizona....I will buy things on the net from Arizona and instead of going to the Smokey’s this year I will be going to Arizona and support my fellow American small business owners who may be hurt by a boycott.......now I have to go and spread the word for the BUYCOTT in ARIZONA!!!!

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aerial wrote:

I will personally start a BUYcott for Arizona....I will buy things on the net from Arizona and instead of going to the Smokey’s this year I will be going to Arizona and support my fellow American small business owners who may be hurt by a boycott.......now I have to go and spread the word for the BUYCOTT in ARIZONA!!!!

No you won't. If you do, please post pictures. And be sure and drive around New Mexico on your way, so as to avoid all those illegal immigrants with drivers licenses and car insurance!

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Let's drop this whole going back and forth - It is clear that some people are not willing to help with a beneficial solution- Some of you keep posting the same things over and over, but are not willing to help find a good solution, other then round them all up and ship them back to Mexico, which we both know is impossible..

My final comments on this Bill:
-The bill was introduced by people who are directly associated with White Supremacist groups, yet some of you on the board don't care.
-53% of the people who voted for this bill believe this bill will lead to civil rights issues, affecting Americans..... Yet none of you on the board seem to care, just like the American's who voted for it...
-Police officers will have the right to use there judgment, whenever they believe someone might be an undocumented immigrant. An example I heard yesterday on a conservative radio talk show stated that one reason police should be suspicious of illegal immigrants, is if they see a car filled with 6 brown people- the hosts said, "who drives in cars with that many people?"..." That should be a good enough reason"... Guess brown people shouldn't car pool.
-Citizens of AZ will be taking an active role helping police find illegal immigrants- tell me racist people wont be calling police every time they see a brown skinned persons, black persons, asian persons, or any kind of person who is not White!
-Police will be spending a tremendous amount of time dealing with illegal immigrant issues, instead of more serious crimes....
-FEDS are going to be over loaded and there ability to focus on serious illegal immigrant crimes will be affected because they will now be dealing with basic paper work issues.
-Any of you who have ever traveled outside the USA know that when you return to America you cannot simply show your drivers license to reenter the country- You need to have proof of citizenship/legal residents, which means a passport issued by the Federal Government. I'm from CA and if I travel to AZ a license may not be sufficient. I guess it would depend on the officer- and I know I can't travel with more then 6 people because I will be targeted.
-This is going to divide our nation beyond the already divide. I am already seeing some of you as unreasonable and supporting these White Supremacist groups.
-We have all acknowledged that something needs to be done, yet none who support this bill have stepped up with any solutions/ willingness to take a different approach......

I am not trying to appear as a victim, but I am an American and this is the reality.... Some officers are racist and will have the right to fu@! with me, based on there "Judgment". ... If your first response to this is to attack something I stated on this post, then your really not getting the over all point..... which will simply continue to divide us......and make us hate each other.

You are either with a better solution or you are with the racist groups who introduced this bill. It's that simple.

I will continue my boycott and it appears that the boycott has gained momentum.

Godfather.

My final comments on this Bill:
-The bill was introduced by people who are directly associated with White Supremacist groups, yet some of you on the board don't care.

so ya think that farmer that got killed had nothing to with it ?
and as always the racism angle.
what if the farmer was a mexican and a white guy killed him........RACISM !!!!!!

Godfather.

Dirtie_Frank

tonifig8 wrote:

Let's drop this whole going back and forth - It is clear that some people are not willing to help with a beneficial solution- Some of you keep posting the same things over and over, but are not willing to help find a good solution, other then round them all up and ship them back to Mexico, which we both know is impossible..

My final comments on this Bill:
-The bill was introduced by people who are directly associated with White Supremacist groups, yet some of you on the board don't care.
-53% of the people who voted for this bill believe this bill will lead to civil rights issues, affecting Americans..... Yet none of you on the board seem to care, just like the American's who voted for it...
-Police officers will have the right to use there judgment, whenever they believe someone might be an undocumented immigrant. An example I heard yesterday on a conservative radio talk show stated that one reason police should be suspicious of illegal immigrants, is if they see a car filled with 6 brown people- the hosts said, "who drives in cars with that many people?"..." That should be a good enough reason"... Guess brown people shouldn't car pool.
-Citizens of AZ will be taking an active role helping police find illegal immigrants- tell me racist people wont be calling police every time they see a brown skinned persons, black persons, asian persons, or any kind of person who is not White!
-Police will be spending a tremendous amount of time dealing with illegal immigrant issues, instead of more serious crimes....
-Any of you who have ever traveled outside the USA know that when you return to America you cannot simply show your drivers license to reenter the country- You need to have proof of citizenship/legal residents, which means a passport issued by the Federal Government. I'm from CA and if I travel to AZ a license may not be sufficient. I guess it would depend on the officer- and I know I can't travel with more then 6 people because I will be targeted.
-This is going to divide our nation beyond the already divide. I am already seeing some of you as unreasonable and supporting these White Supremacist groups.
-We have all acknowledged that something needs to be done, yet none who support this bill have stepped up with any solutions/ willingness to take a different approach......

I am not trying to appear as a victim, but I am an American and this is the reality.... Some officers are racist and will have the right to fu@! with me, based on there "Judgment". ... If your first response to this is to attack something I stated on this post, then your really not getting the over all point..... which will simply continue to divide us......and make us hate each other.

You are either with a better solution or you are with the racist groups who introduced this bill. It's that simple.

I will continue my boycott and it appears that the boycott has gained momentum.

Man take a step back into reality. The people who want to stop the mass ileagal migration into the US are not racist. First off, not every cop is white, so would it be a Latin American version of Uncle Tom if a Latin Cop stopped and asked you if you were a citizen? Why does everything have to say a white man will be the one harassing these people? You are the one looking racist to me.

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Godfather. wrote:

My final comments on this Bill:
-The bill was introduced by people who are directly associated with White Supremacist groups, yet some of you on the board don't care.

so ya think that farmer that got killed had nothing to with it ?
and as always the racism angle.
what if the farmer was a mexican and a white guy killed him........RACISM !!!!!!

Godfather.

Farmer was an issue related to the Drug Wars..... We can go back and forth with your clear lack of reason and never get any where, which is why I rather believe you are on the sides of the white supremacist then on the side of justice.
I guess it would be alright for terrorist to attack the US considering that we have killed many innocent lives with our BOMBS>>>> happening everyday, but you don't see that because you are an American and your life is worth much more then that of any other life..... Or the US soldier who has died protecting this country and now his/her parents are being deported because they are a threat to national security!
This is fu@!ing joke bro......

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Dirtie_Frank wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

Let's drop this whole going back and forth - It is clear that some people are not willing to help with a beneficial solution- Some of you keep posting the same things over and over, but are not willing to help find a good solution, other then round them all up and ship them back to Mexico, which we both know is impossible..

My final comments on this Bill:
-The bill was introduced by people who are directly associated with White Supremacist groups, yet some of you on the board don't care.
-53% of the people who voted for this bill believe this bill will lead to civil rights issues, affecting Americans..... Yet none of you on the board seem to care, just like the American's who voted for it...
-Police officers will have the right to use there judgment, whenever they believe someone might be an undocumented immigrant. An example I heard yesterday on a conservative radio talk show stated that one reason police should be suspicious of illegal immigrants, is if they see a car filled with 6 brown people- the hosts said, "who drives in cars with that many people?"..." That should be a good enough reason"... Guess brown people shouldn't car pool.
-Citizens of AZ will be taking an active role helping police find illegal immigrants- tell me racist people wont be calling police every time they see a brown skinned persons, black persons, asian persons, or any kind of person who is not White!
-Police will be spending a tremendous amount of time dealing with illegal immigrant issues, instead of more serious crimes....
-Any of you who have ever traveled outside the USA know that when you return to America you cannot simply show your drivers license to reenter the country- You need to have proof of citizenship/legal residents, which means a passport issued by the Federal Government. I'm from CA and if I travel to AZ a license may not be sufficient. I guess it would depend on the officer- and I know I can't travel with more then 6 people because I will be targeted.
-This is going to divide our nation beyond the already divide. I am already seeing some of you as unreasonable and supporting these White Supremacist groups.
-We have all acknowledged that something needs to be done, yet none who support this bill have stepped up with any solutions/ willingness to take a different approach......

I am not trying to appear as a victim, but I am an American and this is the reality.... Some officers are racist and will have the right to fu@! with me, based on there "Judgment". ... If your first response to this is to attack something I stated on this post, then your really not getting the over all point..... which will simply continue to divide us......and make us hate each other.

You are either with a better solution or you are with the racist groups who introduced this bill. It's that simple.

I will continue my boycott and it appears that the boycott has gained momentum.

Man take a step back into reality. The people who want to stop the mass ileagal migration into the US are not racist. First off, not every cop is white, so would it be a Latin American version of Uncle Tom if a Latin Cop stopped and asked you if you were a citizen? Why does everything have to say a white man will be the one harassing these people? You are the one looking racist to me.

The people who introduced the bill are directly associated with white supremacist groups.... White Supremacist groups donated 1 million dollars to this cause.... Have you not followed the debate here? I'm not saying that all white people are racist! Get that through your head.... If this was only based on protection of our boarders, then they shouldn't accept any Fu@!ing money from white supremacist groups...then people who introduced the bill shouldn't be related to racist groups.... Do you get the point????