a boycott would decrease tourist dollars flowing into the state for one thing. how about we don't send our kids there for college so they can't rake in the bucks for that hefty out of state tuition? thats a start. truckdrivers are threatening to not drive though there or deliver things or pick up cargo from there so that will hurt business there. he might sound like a buffoon to you, but you sound like a damn racist blog stealing bigot to me.
Back to the original subject of the thread, do you really believe a boycott of AZ is the answer?
no, and i don't have "the answer". nobody does, as evidenced by all of the hatred thrown around on the board these last few days...but decreased toursim and businesses getting hurt is not good for any state. as in any movement, you want to hit them where it hurts, and that is in the revenue stream. i've been to arizona a few times and i loved it. but i will not be going back now because my principles mean more to me than any vacation spot.
So are you boycotting anything involving Arizona, as this thread suggested? Or just the AZ government? Would you boycott the friend I spoke of selling merch at the skate competition?
I guess my main question is: How can you be assured that such a boycott isn't doing more harm (to the people you are trying to stand up for) than good? And, if you can't really be assured of this, is it worth the risk? I don't watch the news so I don't know the answer to this, but has anyone asked the people of color in AZ whether or not they want us to boycott in such a way on their behalf?
Back to the original subject of the thread, do you really believe a boycott of AZ is the answer?
no, and i don't have "the answer". nobody does, as evidenced by all of the hatred thrown around on the board these last few days...but decreased toursim and businesses getting hurt is not good for any state. as in any movement, you want to hit them where it hurts, and that is in the revenue stream. i've been to arizona a few times and i loved it. but i will not be going back now because my principles mean more to me than any vacation spot.
Well said. I agree.
Isn't that what Sanctions are all about? When the US tries to hurt other nations, by removing economic means, so that we can get there attention and cooperation?
And don't humanitarian organizations frequently oppose sanctions because of the harm they do to the citizens of the country being sanctioned?
I will personally start a BUYcott for Arizona....I will buy things on the net from Arizona and instead of going to the Smokey’s this year I will be going to Arizona and support my fellow American small business owners who may be hurt by a boycott.......now I have to go and spread the word for the BUYCOTT in ARIZONA!!!!
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
I will personally start a BUYcott for Arizona....I will buy things on the net from Arizona and instead of going to the Smokey’s this year I will be going to Arizona and support my fellow American small business owners who may be hurt by a boycott.......now I have to go and spread the word for the BUYCOTT in ARIZONA!!!!
No you won't. If you do, please post pictures. And be sure and drive around New Mexico on your way, so as to avoid all those illegal immigrants with drivers licenses and car insurance!
Let's drop this whole going back and forth - It is clear that some people are not willing to help with a beneficial solution- Some of you keep posting the same things over and over, but are not willing to help find a good solution, other then round them all up and ship them back to Mexico, which we both know is impossible..
My final comments on this Bill:
-The bill was introduced by people who are directly associated with White Supremacist groups, yet some of you on the board don't care.
-53% of the people who voted for this bill believe this bill will lead to civil rights issues, affecting Americans..... Yet none of you on the board seem to care, just like the American's who voted for it...
-Police officers will have the right to use there judgment, whenever they believe someone might be an undocumented immigrant. An example I heard yesterday on a conservative radio talk show stated that one reason police should be suspicious of illegal immigrants, is if they see a car filled with 6 brown people- the hosts said, "who drives in cars with that many people?"..." That should be a good enough reason"... Guess brown people shouldn't car pool.
-Citizens of AZ will be taking an active role helping police find illegal immigrants- tell me racist people wont be calling police every time they see a brown skinned persons, black persons, asian persons, or any kind of person who is not White!
-Police will be spending a tremendous amount of time dealing with illegal immigrant issues, instead of more serious crimes....
-FEDS are going to be over loaded and there ability to focus on serious illegal immigrant crimes will be affected because they will now be dealing with basic paper work issues.
-Any of you who have ever traveled outside the USA know that when you return to America you cannot simply show your drivers license to reenter the country- You need to have proof of citizenship/legal residents, which means a passport issued by the Federal Government. I'm from CA and if I travel to AZ a license may not be sufficient. I guess it would depend on the officer- and I know I can't travel with more then 6 people because I will be targeted.
-This is going to divide our nation beyond the already divide. I am already seeing some of you as unreasonable and supporting these White Supremacist groups.
-We have all acknowledged that something needs to be done, yet none who support this bill have stepped up with any solutions/ willingness to take a different approach......
I am not trying to appear as a victim, but I am an American and this is the reality.... Some officers are racist and will have the right to fu@! with me, based on there "Judgment". ... If your first response to this is to attack something I stated on this post, then your really not getting the over all point..... which will simply continue to divide us......and make us hate each other.
You are either with a better solution or you are with the racist groups who introduced this bill. It's that simple.
I will continue my boycott and it appears that the boycott has gained momentum.
My final comments on this Bill:
-The bill was introduced by people who are directly associated with White Supremacist groups, yet some of you on the board don't care.
so ya think that farmer that got killed had nothing to with it ?
and as always the racism angle.
what if the farmer was a mexican and a white guy killed him........RACISM !!!!!!
Let's drop this whole going back and forth - It is clear that some people are not willing to help with a beneficial solution- Some of you keep posting the same things over and over, but are not willing to help find a good solution, other then round them all up and ship them back to Mexico, which we both know is impossible..
My final comments on this Bill:
-The bill was introduced by people who are directly associated with White Supremacist groups, yet some of you on the board don't care.
-53% of the people who voted for this bill believe this bill will lead to civil rights issues, affecting Americans..... Yet none of you on the board seem to care, just like the American's who voted for it...
-Police officers will have the right to use there judgment, whenever they believe someone might be an undocumented immigrant. An example I heard yesterday on a conservative radio talk show stated that one reason police should be suspicious of illegal immigrants, is if they see a car filled with 6 brown people- the hosts said, "who drives in cars with that many people?"..." That should be a good enough reason"... Guess brown people shouldn't car pool.
-Citizens of AZ will be taking an active role helping police find illegal immigrants- tell me racist people wont be calling police every time they see a brown skinned persons, black persons, asian persons, or any kind of person who is not White!
-Police will be spending a tremendous amount of time dealing with illegal immigrant issues, instead of more serious crimes....
-Any of you who have ever traveled outside the USA know that when you return to America you cannot simply show your drivers license to reenter the country- You need to have proof of citizenship/legal residents, which means a passport issued by the Federal Government. I'm from CA and if I travel to AZ a license may not be sufficient. I guess it would depend on the officer- and I know I can't travel with more then 6 people because I will be targeted.
-This is going to divide our nation beyond the already divide. I am already seeing some of you as unreasonable and supporting these White Supremacist groups.
-We have all acknowledged that something needs to be done, yet none who support this bill have stepped up with any solutions/ willingness to take a different approach......
I am not trying to appear as a victim, but I am an American and this is the reality.... Some officers are racist and will have the right to fu@! with me, based on there "Judgment". ... If your first response to this is to attack something I stated on this post, then your really not getting the over all point..... which will simply continue to divide us......and make us hate each other.
You are either with a better solution or you are with the racist groups who introduced this bill. It's that simple.
I will continue my boycott and it appears that the boycott has gained momentum.
Man take a step back into reality. The people who want to stop the mass ileagal migration into the US are not racist. First off, not every cop is white, so would it be a Latin American version of Uncle Tom if a Latin Cop stopped and asked you if you were a citizen? Why does everything have to say a white man will be the one harassing these people? You are the one looking racist to me.
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My final comments on this Bill:
-The bill was introduced by people who are directly associated with White Supremacist groups, yet some of you on the board don't care.
so ya think that farmer that got killed had nothing to with it ?
and as always the racism angle.
what if the farmer was a mexican and a white guy killed him........RACISM !!!!!!
Godfather.
Farmer was an issue related to the Drug Wars..... We can go back and forth with your clear lack of reason and never get any where, which is why I rather believe you are on the sides of the white supremacist then on the side of justice.
I guess it would be alright for terrorist to attack the US considering that we have killed many innocent lives with our BOMBS>>>> happening everyday, but you don't see that because you are an American and your life is worth much more then that of any other life..... Or the US soldier who has died protecting this country and now his/her parents are being deported because they are a threat to national security!
This is fu@!ing joke bro......
Let's drop this whole going back and forth - It is clear that some people are not willing to help with a beneficial solution- Some of you keep posting the same things over and over, but are not willing to help find a good solution, other then round them all up and ship them back to Mexico, which we both know is impossible..
My final comments on this Bill:
-The bill was introduced by people who are directly associated with White Supremacist groups, yet some of you on the board don't care.
-53% of the people who voted for this bill believe this bill will lead to civil rights issues, affecting Americans..... Yet none of you on the board seem to care, just like the American's who voted for it...
-Police officers will have the right to use there judgment, whenever they believe someone might be an undocumented immigrant. An example I heard yesterday on a conservative radio talk show stated that one reason police should be suspicious of illegal immigrants, is if they see a car filled with 6 brown people- the hosts said, "who drives in cars with that many people?"..." That should be a good enough reason"... Guess brown people shouldn't car pool.
-Citizens of AZ will be taking an active role helping police find illegal immigrants- tell me racist people wont be calling police every time they see a brown skinned persons, black persons, asian persons, or any kind of person who is not White!
-Police will be spending a tremendous amount of time dealing with illegal immigrant issues, instead of more serious crimes....
-Any of you who have ever traveled outside the USA know that when you return to America you cannot simply show your drivers license to reenter the country- You need to have proof of citizenship/legal residents, which means a passport issued by the Federal Government. I'm from CA and if I travel to AZ a license may not be sufficient. I guess it would depend on the officer- and I know I can't travel with more then 6 people because I will be targeted.
-This is going to divide our nation beyond the already divide. I am already seeing some of you as unreasonable and supporting these White Supremacist groups.
-We have all acknowledged that something needs to be done, yet none who support this bill have stepped up with any solutions/ willingness to take a different approach......
I am not trying to appear as a victim, but I am an American and this is the reality.... Some officers are racist and will have the right to fu@! with me, based on there "Judgment". ... If your first response to this is to attack something I stated on this post, then your really not getting the over all point..... which will simply continue to divide us......and make us hate each other.
You are either with a better solution or you are with the racist groups who introduced this bill. It's that simple.
I will continue my boycott and it appears that the boycott has gained momentum.
Man take a step back into reality. The people who want to stop the mass ileagal migration into the US are not racist. First off, not every cop is white, so would it be a Latin American version of Uncle Tom if a Latin Cop stopped and asked you if you were a citizen? Why does everything have to say a white man will be the one harassing these people? You are the one looking racist to me.
The people who introduced the bill are directly associated with white supremacist groups.... White Supremacist groups donated 1 million dollars to this cause.... Have you not followed the debate here? I'm not saying that all white people are racist! Get that through your head.... If this was only based on protection of our boarders, then they shouldn't accept any Fu@!ing money from white supremacist groups...then people who introduced the bill shouldn't be related to racist groups.... Do you get the point????
Let's drop this whole going back and forth - It is clear that some people are not willing to help with a beneficial solution- Some of you keep posting the same things over and over, but are not willing to help find a good solution, other then round them all up and ship them back to Mexico, which we both know is impossible..
My final comments on this Bill: -The bill was introduced by people who are directly associated with White Supremacist groups, yet some of you on the board don't care.
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The people who introduced the bill are directly associated with white supremacist groups.... White Supremacist groups donated 1 million dollars to this cause.... Have you not followed the debate here? I'm not saying that all white people are racist! Get that through your head.... If this was only based on protection of our boarders, then they shouldn't accept any Fu@!ing money from white supremacist groups...then people who introduced the bill shouldn't be related to racist groups.... Do you get the point????
The POTUS had direct association with a racist too Rev Wright that did not seem to matter then, but it seems to be a big deal now with this association. :roll:
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The people who introduced the bill are directly associated with white supremacist groups.... White Supremacist groups donated 1 million dollars to this cause.... Have you not followed the debate here? I'm not saying that all white people are racist! Get that through your head.... If this was only based on protection of our boarders, then they shouldn't accept any Fu@!ing money from white supremacist groups...then people who introduced the bill shouldn't be related to racist groups.... Do you get the point????
The POTUS had direct association with a racist too Rev Wright that did not seem to matter then, but it seems to be a big deal now with this association. :roll:
Dude,
that is B freaking S! And what does that have to do with what we are talking about now? Are we going to use every example of our history to continue to stop progress? Because if that is the case I could go on all day with the real fu@!ing B. fu@!ing S.! that Republican's and Democrats have committed against our country!
so ya think that farmer that got killed had nothing to with it ?
and as always the racism angle.
what if the farmer was a mexican and a white guy killed him........RACISM !!!!!!
Godfather.
If the farmer was Mexican and a white guy killed him, it wouldn't have inspired such a bill.
The people who introduced the bill are directly associated with white supremacist groups.... White Supremacist groups donated 1 million dollars to this cause.... Have you not followed the debate here? I'm not saying that all white people are racist! Get that through your head.... If this was only based on protection of our boarders, then they shouldn't accept any Fu@!ing money from white supremacist groups...then people who introduced the bill shouldn't be related to racist groups.... Do you get the point????
The POTUS had direct association with a racist too Rev Wright that did not seem to matter then, but it seems to be a big deal now with this association. :roll:
Dude,
that is B freaking S! And what does that have to do with what we are talking about now? Are we going to use every example of our history to continue to stop progress? Because if that is the case I could go on all day with the real fu@!ing B. fu@!ing S.! that Republican's and Democrats have committed against our country!
I bet they are all white too :roll:
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one of the points in this is that racism is always brought in to the picture,it's alway used as a tool to
gain support and thats another form of racism I would say.
IMO the people crying racism the most are guilty of racism their selfs.
I also have question,
when the latino people try debunk this new law did they get any funding from a latino rights group ?
or do latino rights groups contribute any money to a latino politician ?........ummmm
RACISM !!!!!!!!!
The POTUS had direct association with a racist too Rev Wright that did not seem to matter then, but it seems to be a big deal now with this association. :roll:
Even if this statement were true, the president denounced Rev. Wright. Which would mean, according to your assumption that the president was involved with a racist, denounced the racism and made it public that he did not support such language.
Now do you denounce this bill, based on the Fact that it was introduced by Hate?
Not saying that we don't have an immigration issue, but that this was created on the bases of hate for other races.
I also have question,
when the latino people try debunk this new law did they get any funding from a latino rights group ?
or do latino rights groups contribute any money to a latino politician ?........ummmm
RACISM !!!!!!!!!
Godfather.
I am Mexican American tell me which groups are racist- and if they are I will denounce them here on the board- I do not belong to any organization that promotes anyone race as superior! I do not belong to any organization period! I would not support any group that promotes HATE.
I understand now that you support hate, based on the fact that you don't care that this bill was introduced by people who promote hate!
Stop your denial - the facts are the facts - I am not accusing no one race of racism, with the exception of white supremacist groups- We were clearly using historical fact, our general history, and our progress here.
This bill doesn't solve SH@! it only creates division, period! The police cannot deport anyone they still need to hand them over to the FEDS- The FEDS are overload with serious criminals..... and all of this will cost money and waste a lot of time building HATE.... You don't understand do you.....
Everyone here is acknowledging that we have a problem, everyone here wants to protect the boarders, everyone here understand your concerns on protecting the White culture(not America's), and no one is trying to take any of your freedoms away. We want a solution that is humane and will be beneficial to the country..... But you want every person out!!! Which is impossible you bigot!!
This thread is about progress and about finding solutions ..... if you can't handle that I would encourage you to start a thread based on hate and support for these white supremacist groups! After all it is what it is..... and you have made that clear
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I also have question,
when the latino people try debunk this new law did they get any funding from a latino rights group ?
or do latino rights groups contribute any money to a latino politician ?........ummmm
RACISM !!!!!!!!!
Godfather.
I am Mexican American tell me which groups are racist- and if they are I will denounce them here on the board- I do not belong to any organization that promotes anyone race as superior! I do not belong to any organization period! I would not support any group that promotes HATE.
I understand now that you support hate, based on the fact that you don't care that this bill was introduced by people who promote hate!
Therefore your a fu@!ing racist!
I support this bill because the federal government will not do anything to help Arizona out. I do not support any reform that has amnesty in it because most of those that would be rewarded are low earners that are uneducated and can't do anything other than unskilled labor such as being a dishwasher at a restaurant. Since they make so little in income they would qualify for SS benefits along with other types of welfare. Their income is low enough that they would avoid paying an amount of taxes to make up for it therefore they are a net drain on the system.
And to answer the other question about a group being racist check La Raza.
I also have question,
when the latino people try debunk this new law did they get any funding from a latino rights group ?
or do latino rights groups contribute any money to a latino politician ?........ummmm
RACISM !!!!!!!!!
Godfather.
I am Mexican American tell me which groups are racist- and if they are I will denounce them here on the board- I do not belong to any organization that promotes anyone race as superior! I do not belong to any organization period! I would not support any group that promotes HATE.
I understand now that you support hate, based on the fact that you don't care that this bill was introduced by people who promote hate!
Therefore your a fu@!ing racist!
I support this bill because the federal government will not do anything to help Arizona out. I do not support any reform that has amnesty in it because most of those that would be rewarded are low earners that are uneducated and can't do anything other than unskilled labor such as being a dishwasher at a restaurant. Since they make so little in income they would qualify for SS benefits along with other types of welfare. Their income is low enough that they would avoid paying an amount of taxes to make up for it therefore they are a net drain on the system.
And to answer the other question about a group being racist check La Raza.
I don't support any racist groups or associate myself with any racist groups. I don't know crap about La Raza - Don't know what there objectives are or what they are currently involved in. If they are promoting HATE - I will denounce and reject anything tainted with them.......That is me being able to reason or to show my ability to promote fairness and progress.......
But you support the bill even though the main reason behind it was racism! I can't believe that..... This bill does nothing to solve the problem, it only creates more problems.....Don't you get that? Police officers CANNOT DEPORT PEOPLE!!! HELLO>>HELLO>> THE FEDS ARE STILL IN CONTROL!!!!
This bill was created by people associated with white supremacist groups ...that doesn't bother you???? Am I not an American Like you?????
This is a direct question to you!
I also have question,
when the latino people try debunk this new law did they get any funding from a latino rights group ?
or do latino rights groups contribute any money to a latino politician ?........ummmm
RACISM !!!!!!!!!
Godfather.
I am Mexican American tell me which groups are racist- and if they are I will denounce them here on the board- I do not belong to any organization that promotes anyone race as superior! I do not belong to any organization period! I would not support any group that promotes HATE.
I understand now that you support hate, based on the fact that you don't care that this bill was introduced by people who promote hate!
Therefore your a fu@!ing racist!
theres that word again...told ya so
btw is it hate because the bill dose not allow illegals into the us ?
if thats what you believe then who is the racist here ?
theres that word again...told ya so
btw is it hate because the bill dose not allow illegals into the us ?
if thats what you believe then who is the racist here ?
Godfather.
I'm trying to stay away from the board, but I feel I have to explain this to you word by word before I could truly consider you a racist.
Are you that dumb?? When were illegals ever allowed into the US? Do you not understand what this bill does?
THE POLICE CANNOT DEPORT ANYONE!!!They will not serve as boarder agents...even though some of them might try...just to fu@! with people...... HELLO HELLO!! THEY STILL NEED TO TURN UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE TO THE FEDS!!!! All this does is promote hate, because it enforces police officers to become boarder agents (which by law they are not), with out receiving the proper training or the ability to do anything about anything, only thing they can do is arrest people and use there "judgment when profiling people. Basically they profile people and then take them over to the FEDS- HAVE YOU NOT READ any of my posts? are you seriously trying to argue this????
My question is direct do you support this bill even though it has been introduced by people affiliated with white supremacist groups? its very simple....
The POTUS had direct association with a racist too Rev Wright that did not seem to matter then, but it seems to be a big deal now with this association. :roll:
Even if this statement were true, the president denounced Rev. Wright. Which would mean, according to your assumption that the president was involved with a racist, denounced the racism and made it public that he did not support such language.
Now do you denounce this bill, based on the Fact that it was introduced by Hate?
Not saying that we don't have an immigration issue, but that this was created on the bases of hate for other races.
You say even if it was true then pretty much say it is true. You are one confused individual..He denounced it when it meant something to him. After 20 years of the same preaching I think it sunk in a little.
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The POTUS had direct association with a racist too Rev Wright that did not seem to matter then, but it seems to be a big deal now with this association. :roll:
Even if this statement were true, the president denounced Rev. Wright. Which would mean, according to your assumption that the president was involved with a racist, denounced the racism and made it public that he did not support such language.
Now do you denounce this bill, based on the Fact that it was introduced by Hate?
Not saying that we don't have an immigration issue, but that this was created on the bases of hate for other races.
You say even if it was true then pretty much say it is true. You are one confused individual..He denounced it when it meant something to him. After 20 years of the same preaching I think it sunk in a little.
Your ignoring my direct question to you..... We are not debating the President here. .... Do you denounce this bill based on the many facts I have provide to you and the few others who seem to continue to support this bill....
53% of the 70% of people who voted for the bill feel there will be civil rights issues because of it..... yet they still supported it.
Do you denounce this bill based on the fact that it was created by people affiliated with white supremacists groups? And it really doesn't do anything, but create more division.... Police officers cannot deport anyone.... They have not been trained and now they are asked to use there best judgment when profiling illegal aliens. The Governor herself said that police officers would have to receive some kind of special training .... but what's the point its costing money and officers cannot do crap, except turn them over to the FEDS!!!!! And harass people.......
DIRECT QUESTIONED RELATED TO YOU AND I>>.
theres that word again...told ya so
btw is it hate because the bill dose not allow illegals into the us ?
if thats what you believe then who is the racist here ?
Godfather.
I'm trying to stay away from the board, but I feel I have to explain this to you word by word before I could truly consider you a racist.
Are you that dumb?? When were illegals ever allowed into the US? Do you not understand what this bill does?
THE POLICE CANNOT DEPORT ANYONE!!!They will not serve as boarder agents...even though some of them might try...just to fu@! with people...... HELLO HELLO!! THEY STILL NEED TO TURN UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE TO THE FEDS!!!! All this does is promote hate, because it enforces police officers to become boarder agents (which by law they are not), with out receiving the proper training or the ability to do anything about anything, only thing they can do is arrest people and use there "judgment when profiling people. Basically they profile people and then take them over to the FEDS- HAVE YOU NOT READ any of my posts? are you seriously trying to argue this????
My question is direct do you support this bill even though it has been introduced by people affiliated with white supremacist groups? its very simple....
yes I agree with this new law and the reason is nothing else seems to be working,once the people crossing
get caught they go across the next day besides what about the familys that die in the weather trying to cross ?
you know it's funny when you can't change my mind on this issue you turn to personal attacks calling me a fu@#ing racist or asking me if I am really that dumb, if you spent anytime in my home or a day in my life you would see I am anything but a racist,live and let live my friend we are all in this together.
do you not see the problem with illegal's crossing our border's ? people need to do it the right way the legal way and then be a part of this country not a part time illegal resident that dose not contribute,
my friends live on a canyon in a nice area and the day workers live in the canyon at for the last 1-2 years
and since then the crime( stolen bicycles burgleries) in that part of the area has jumped and canyon looks like a dump site and police can't seem to stop them so imo something needs to be done.
I also have question,
when the latino people try debunk this new law did they get any funding from a latino rights group ?
or do latino rights groups contribute any money to a latino politician ?........ummmm
RACISM !!!!!!!!!
Godfather.
You're kidding, right? I'm sure you know the difference between the words "rights" and "supremacist".
...my friends live on a canyon in a nice area and the day workers live in the canyon at for the last 1-2 years
and since then the crime( stolen bicycles burgleries) in that part of the area has jumped and canyon looks like a dump site and police can't seem to stop them so imo something needs to be done.
Godfather.
...
Question. How nice of an area can it be... if illegals can afford to live there?
I mean, here in L.A.... they live in the raunchiest places in the city... El Sereno, Inglewood, Bell, Lynwood, Willlowbrook... not Brentwood, Topanga, Irvine, West L.A.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
btw is it hate because the bill dose not allow illegals into the us ?
if thats what you believe then who is the racist here ?
Godfather.
I believe the hate/racism/whatever you call it part comes from the fact that the law creates a situation where people of color are more likely to be harassed, and this will now be legal. Many believe that America would never tolerate such a law were it directed at white people, and this double standard indicates that the people who support this bill, as a group, want only to protect their own rights but are willing to sacrifice the rights of their fellow citizens who don't fit the prototype of what many feel America should look like.
It has nothing to do with not allowing "illegals" into the US.
btw is it hate because the bill dose not allow illegals into the us ?
if thats what you believe then who is the racist here ?
Godfather.
I believe the hate/racism/whatever you call it part comes from the fact that the law creates a situation where people of color are more likely to be harassed, and this will now be legal. Many believe that America would never tolerate such a law were it directed at white people, and this double standard indicates that the people who support this bill, as a group, want only to protect their own rights but are willing to sacrifice the rights of their fellow citizens who don't fit the prototype of what many feel America should look like.
It has nothing to do with not allowing "illegals" into the US.
so you think this law was created just to harass the brown people ? wow ! :?
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So are you boycotting anything involving Arizona, as this thread suggested? Or just the AZ government? Would you boycott the friend I spoke of selling merch at the skate competition?
I guess my main question is: How can you be assured that such a boycott isn't doing more harm (to the people you are trying to stand up for) than good? And, if you can't really be assured of this, is it worth the risk? I don't watch the news so I don't know the answer to this, but has anyone asked the people of color in AZ whether or not they want us to boycott in such a way on their behalf?
And don't humanitarian organizations frequently oppose sanctions because of the harm they do to the citizens of the country being sanctioned?
FYI... Calling the Mexican president names is not a good way to dispel the idea that perhaps you just have a personal problem with Mexicans.
I really don't understand why you keep saying this. :?
Or this.
My final comments on this Bill:
-The bill was introduced by people who are directly associated with White Supremacist groups, yet some of you on the board don't care.
-53% of the people who voted for this bill believe this bill will lead to civil rights issues, affecting Americans..... Yet none of you on the board seem to care, just like the American's who voted for it...
-Police officers will have the right to use there judgment, whenever they believe someone might be an undocumented immigrant. An example I heard yesterday on a conservative radio talk show stated that one reason police should be suspicious of illegal immigrants, is if they see a car filled with 6 brown people- the hosts said, "who drives in cars with that many people?"..." That should be a good enough reason"... Guess brown people shouldn't car pool.
-Citizens of AZ will be taking an active role helping police find illegal immigrants- tell me racist people wont be calling police every time they see a brown skinned persons, black persons, asian persons, or any kind of person who is not White!
-Police will be spending a tremendous amount of time dealing with illegal immigrant issues, instead of more serious crimes....
-FEDS are going to be over loaded and there ability to focus on serious illegal immigrant crimes will be affected because they will now be dealing with basic paper work issues.
-Any of you who have ever traveled outside the USA know that when you return to America you cannot simply show your drivers license to reenter the country- You need to have proof of citizenship/legal residents, which means a passport issued by the Federal Government. I'm from CA and if I travel to AZ a license may not be sufficient. I guess it would depend on the officer- and I know I can't travel with more then 6 people because I will be targeted.
-This is going to divide our nation beyond the already divide. I am already seeing some of you as unreasonable and supporting these White Supremacist groups.
-We have all acknowledged that something needs to be done, yet none who support this bill have stepped up with any solutions/ willingness to take a different approach......
I am not trying to appear as a victim, but I am an American and this is the reality.... Some officers are racist and will have the right to fu@! with me, based on there "Judgment". ... If your first response to this is to attack something I stated on this post, then your really not getting the over all point..... which will simply continue to divide us......and make us hate each other.
You are either with a better solution or you are with the racist groups who introduced this bill. It's that simple.
I will continue my boycott and it appears that the boycott has gained momentum.
-The bill was introduced by people who are directly associated with White Supremacist groups, yet some of you on the board don't care.
Man take a step back into reality. The people who want to stop the mass ileagal migration into the US are not racist. First off, not every cop is white, so would it be a Latin American version of Uncle Tom if a Latin Cop stopped and asked you if you were a citizen? Why does everything have to say a white man will be the one harassing these people? You are the one looking racist to me.
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Farmer was an issue related to the Drug Wars..... We can go back and forth with your clear lack of reason and never get any where, which is why I rather believe you are on the sides of the white supremacist then on the side of justice.
I guess it would be alright for terrorist to attack the US considering that we have killed many innocent lives with our BOMBS>>>> happening everyday, but you don't see that because you are an American and your life is worth much more then that of any other life..... Or the US soldier who has died protecting this country and now his/her parents are being deported because they are a threat to national security!
This is fu@!ing joke bro......
The people who introduced the bill are directly associated with white supremacist groups.... White Supremacist groups donated 1 million dollars to this cause.... Have you not followed the debate here? I'm not saying that all white people are racist! Get that through your head.... If this was only based on protection of our boarders, then they shouldn't accept any Fu@!ing money from white supremacist groups...then people who introduced the bill shouldn't be related to racist groups.... Do you get the point????
The POTUS had direct association with a racist too Rev Wright that did not seem to matter then, but it seems to be a big deal now with this association. :roll:
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Dude,
that is B freaking S! And what does that have to do with what we are talking about now? Are we going to use every example of our history to continue to stop progress? Because if that is the case I could go on all day with the real fu@!ing B. fu@!ing S.! that Republican's and Democrats have committed against our country!
If the farmer was Mexican and a white guy killed him, it wouldn't have inspired such a bill.
I bet they are all white too
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gain support and thats another form of racism I would say.
IMO the people crying racism the most are guilty of racism their selfs.
Godfather.
when the latino people try debunk this new law did they get any funding from a latino rights group ?
or do latino rights groups contribute any money to a latino politician ?........ummmm
RACISM !!!!!!!!!
Godfather.
Even if this statement were true, the president denounced Rev. Wright. Which would mean, according to your assumption that the president was involved with a racist, denounced the racism and made it public that he did not support such language.
Now do you denounce this bill, based on the Fact that it was introduced by Hate?
Not saying that we don't have an immigration issue, but that this was created on the bases of hate for other races.
I am Mexican American tell me which groups are racist- and if they are I will denounce them here on the board- I do not belong to any organization that promotes anyone race as superior! I do not belong to any organization period! I would not support any group that promotes HATE.
I understand now that you support hate, based on the fact that you don't care that this bill was introduced by people who promote hate!
Therefore your a fu@!ing racist!
Stop your denial - the facts are the facts - I am not accusing no one race of racism, with the exception of white supremacist groups- We were clearly using historical fact, our general history, and our progress here.
This bill doesn't solve SH@! it only creates division, period! The police cannot deport anyone they still need to hand them over to the FEDS- The FEDS are overload with serious criminals..... and all of this will cost money and waste a lot of time building HATE.... You don't understand do you.....
Everyone here is acknowledging that we have a problem, everyone here wants to protect the boarders, everyone here understand your concerns on protecting the White culture(not America's), and no one is trying to take any of your freedoms away. We want a solution that is humane and will be beneficial to the country..... But you want every person out!!! Which is impossible you bigot!!
This thread is about progress and about finding solutions ..... if you can't handle that I would encourage you to start a thread based on hate and support for these white supremacist groups! After all it is what it is..... and you have made that clear
I support this bill because the federal government will not do anything to help Arizona out. I do not support any reform that has amnesty in it because most of those that would be rewarded are low earners that are uneducated and can't do anything other than unskilled labor such as being a dishwasher at a restaurant. Since they make so little in income they would qualify for SS benefits along with other types of welfare. Their income is low enough that they would avoid paying an amount of taxes to make up for it therefore they are a net drain on the system.
And to answer the other question about a group being racist check La Raza.
I don't support any racist groups or associate myself with any racist groups. I don't know crap about La Raza - Don't know what there objectives are or what they are currently involved in. If they are promoting HATE - I will denounce and reject anything tainted with them.......That is me being able to reason or to show my ability to promote fairness and progress.......
But you support the bill even though the main reason behind it was racism! I can't believe that..... This bill does nothing to solve the problem, it only creates more problems.....Don't you get that? Police officers CANNOT DEPORT PEOPLE!!! HELLO>>HELLO>> THE FEDS ARE STILL IN CONTROL!!!!
This bill was created by people associated with white supremacist groups ...that doesn't bother you???? Am I not an American Like you?????
This is a direct question to you!
theres that word again...told ya so
btw is it hate because the bill dose not allow illegals into the us ?
if thats what you believe then who is the racist here ?
Godfather.
I'm trying to stay away from the board, but I feel I have to explain this to you word by word before I could truly consider you a racist.
Are you that dumb?? When were illegals ever allowed into the US? Do you not understand what this bill does?
THE POLICE CANNOT DEPORT ANYONE!!!They will not serve as boarder agents...even though some of them might try...just to fu@! with people...... HELLO HELLO!! THEY STILL NEED TO TURN UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE TO THE FEDS!!!! All this does is promote hate, because it enforces police officers to become boarder agents (which by law they are not), with out receiving the proper training or the ability to do anything about anything, only thing they can do is arrest people and use there "judgment when profiling people. Basically they profile people and then take them over to the FEDS- HAVE YOU NOT READ any of my posts? are you seriously trying to argue this????
My question is direct do you support this bill even though it has been introduced by people affiliated with white supremacist groups? its very simple....
You say even if it was true then pretty much say it is true. You are one confused individual..He denounced it when it meant something to him. After 20 years of the same preaching I think it sunk in a little.
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Your ignoring my direct question to you..... We are not debating the President here. .... Do you denounce this bill based on the many facts I have provide to you and the few others who seem to continue to support this bill....
53% of the 70% of people who voted for the bill feel there will be civil rights issues because of it..... yet they still supported it.
Do you denounce this bill based on the fact that it was created by people affiliated with white supremacists groups? And it really doesn't do anything, but create more division.... Police officers cannot deport anyone.... They have not been trained and now they are asked to use there best judgment when profiling illegal aliens. The Governor herself said that police officers would have to receive some kind of special training .... but what's the point its costing money and officers cannot do crap, except turn them over to the FEDS!!!!! And harass people.......
DIRECT QUESTIONED RELATED TO YOU AND I>>.
yes I agree with this new law and the reason is nothing else seems to be working,once the people crossing
get caught they go across the next day besides what about the familys that die in the weather trying to cross ?
you know it's funny when you can't change my mind on this issue you turn to personal attacks calling me a fu@#ing racist or asking me if I am really that dumb, if you spent anytime in my home or a day in my life you would see I am anything but a racist,live and let live my friend we are all in this together.
do you not see the problem with illegal's crossing our border's ? people need to do it the right way the legal way and then be a part of this country not a part time illegal resident that dose not contribute,
my friends live on a canyon in a nice area and the day workers live in the canyon at for the last 1-2 years
and since then the crime( stolen bicycles burgleries) in that part of the area has jumped and canyon looks like a dump site and police can't seem to stop them so imo something needs to be done.
Godfather.
You're kidding, right? I'm sure you know the difference between the words "rights" and "supremacist".
Question. How nice of an area can it be... if illegals can afford to live there?
I mean, here in L.A.... they live in the raunchiest places in the city... El Sereno, Inglewood, Bell, Lynwood, Willlowbrook... not Brentwood, Topanga, Irvine, West L.A.
Hail, Hail!!!
I believe the hate/racism/whatever you call it part comes from the fact that the law creates a situation where people of color are more likely to be harassed, and this will now be legal. Many believe that America would never tolerate such a law were it directed at white people, and this double standard indicates that the people who support this bill, as a group, want only to protect their own rights but are willing to sacrifice the rights of their fellow citizens who don't fit the prototype of what many feel America should look like.
It has nothing to do with not allowing "illegals" into the US.
so you think this law was created just to harass the brown people ? wow ! :?
Godfather.