Boycott Anything Involving AZ

gimmesometruth27

prfctlefts wrote:

Healthcare was a power grab your just to blind to see it.

as an aside to this thread, and sorry for going off topic, but i am sick of asking this question, but i will do it one more time. how was healthcare a power grab? please cite reputable sources, you keep saying this and telling us to wake up, but you offer nothing to support your paranoid position.

Boxes&Books

aerial wrote:

how do you people blame this on Arizona, white Americans and law enforcement? Why not blame the illegal immigrants and do something about it....
illegal immigrants broke the law and your okay with it?

Dude, what is your suggestion? I am a dark skinned person and would be targeted by police because of the color of my skin, this isn't fare to me as a law abiding US citizen.

The law has been broken, now what? The US committed horrible crimes against many people white, black, grey, orange,brown, tall, short, etc..etc... what are you going to do about it? Do we become a greater society and learn something from it or do we try and oppress?

I know what I would do about this situation ......

WaveCameCrashin

scb wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

Al not so Sharpton said the same thing on Geraldo last night. That there should be a boycott.... :roll: and illlegals are taking jobs from blacks... Just goes to show he's nothing more than a race baiter...

Will you (and others) please stop using illegal as a noun? Their personhood is not defined by their legal status.

prfctlefts wrote:

I hear everyone and saying that dark skinned people's rights are going to be violated or that there is going to be racial profiling, How do you know ?

Seriously? Do you actually think this won't happen? The law calls for law enforcement to require papers from anyone who they suspect might be here illegally? How do you think these suspects will be identified if not by their appearance?

prfctlefts wrote:

I heard that the only way that the police could ask you if you are a citizen is if there is a traffic stop or a crime is being committed.Skin color has nothing to do with it.

That's not true. Read the law. (And maybe get a more reliable source of information.)

prfctlefts wrote:

Don't you people realize how out of control it is down there.It's catastrophic...

Again with the sky is falling stuff? It's funny that none of my many friends who live in Arizona think it's catastrophic and out of control there. It's also noteworthy that we in New Mexico don't feel like our state is having enough problems to warrant such a law.

prfctlefts wrote:

What about the residents of AZ and the country that support this bill ? Don't they and we have rights?

So what happened to that idea that people's rights end at the point where they infringe on the rights of others? Funny how that idea - that so many claim to stand so strongly for - flies right out the window when it's someone else's rights being infringed upon. :roll:

prfctlefts wrote:

Look at the impact illegal immagration has had on our schools ,hospitals, and not to mention crime. What about all the traffic accidents caused by illegals and the ones involved in DUI"s that didn't even have a license or car insurance where people have been actually killed ??? I can think of about 2 that happened in my state alone.

Please enlighten us as to what percentage of problems with schools and hospitals in the US are due to illegal immigration? And what percentage of crime in the US is committed by illegal immigrants? What percentage of DUIs are caused by illegal immigrants? And how can you POSSIBLY fault people for not having drivers licenses or car insurance when they are PROHIBITED from getting those things? (A prohibition that is supported, I might add, by the very same people who then go and complain that illegal immigrants don't have these things!)

I say we only allow people to live here who have sound reasoning skills. Of course that would mean we'd have to swap out many Americans for Mexicans.

I really don't know what fucking planet you or your friends are living on as far as you don't think there is a problem on the southern boarder. Do you even watch the news? You know why you don't think its a problem ? Cos it hasn't affected you... That's why.

you acuse me of the sky is falling stuff is why don't you go ask that ranchers family that was just killed how they feel about the problem. I think you are living in a bubble and are very narrow minded. if You think that there arent illegal aliens here that are driving on our roads with out a license or ins you are really in denial.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/document ... city-crime

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2008/ ... city-crime


http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington ... care_N.htm

_

prfctlefts wrote:

I really don't know what fucking planet you or your friends are living on as far as you don't think there is a problem on the southern boarder. Do you even watch the news? You know why you don't think its a problem ? Cos it hasn't affected you... That's why.

I don't need to watch (Fox) news to know what's happening on the border... I LIVE on the border! Please explain to me how illegal immigration has affected you more than it's affected me.

prfctlefts wrote:

you acuse me of the sky is falling stuff is why don't you go ask that ranchers family that was just killed how they feel about the problem.

Didn't we already address this in the other thread? The rancher was murdered (presumably) by a MURDERER, who happened to be Mexican. Not all Mexicans are murderers. In fact, most murderers in AZ are not Mexican. The problem is murderers - regardless of their color or nation of origin - not Mexicans.

prfctlefts wrote:

I think you are living in a bubble and are very narrow minded. if You think that there arent illegal aliens here that are driving on our roads with out a license or ins you are really in denial.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/document ... city-crime

:? Dude, what are you talking about? I said there are undocumented immigrants driving without drivers licenses or car insurance... and I said they are doing so because people like you refuse to let them get drivers licenses or car insurance. You can't have it both ways. You want them to have drivers licenses and car insurance? Let them get drivers licenses and car insurance! That's what we did in my state and - guess what? - we have less of a problem now!

aerial

scb wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

I really don't know what fucking planet you or your friends are living on as far as you don't think there is a problem on the southern boarder. Do you even watch the news? You know why you don't think its a problem ? Cos it hasn't affected you... That's why.

I don't need to watch (Fox) news to know what's happening on the border... I LIVE on the border! Please explain to me how illegal immigration has affected you more than it's affected me.

prfctlefts wrote:

you acuse me of the sky is falling stuff is why don't you go ask that ranchers family that was just killed how they feel about the problem.

Didn't we already address this in the other thread? The rancher was murdered (presumably) by a MURDERER, who happened to be Mexican. Not all Mexicans are murderers. In fact, most murderers in AZ are not Mexican. The problem is murderers - regardless of their color or nation of origin - not Mexicans.

prfctlefts wrote:

I think you are living in a bubble and are very narrow minded. if You think that there arent illegal aliens here that are driving on our roads with out a license or ins you are really in denial.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/document ... city-crime

:? Dude, what are you talking about? I said there are undocumented immigrants driving without drivers licenses or car insurance... and I said they are doing so because people like you refuse to let them get drivers licenses or car insurance. You can't have it both ways. You want them to have drivers licenses and car insurance? Let them get drivers licenses and car insurance! That's what we did in my state and - guess what? - we have less of a problem now![/quote]


In your last post you said you had no problems...
So are you saying if we legalize everything there will be no problems...oooh ok
:roll:

Boxes&Books

prfctlefts wrote:

scb wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

Al not so Sharpton said the same thing on Geraldo last night. That there should be a boycott.... :roll: and illlegals are taking jobs from blacks... Just goes to show he's nothing more than a race baiter...

Will you (and others) please stop using illegal as a noun? Their personhood is not defined by their legal status.

prfctlefts wrote:

I hear everyone and saying that dark skinned people's rights are going to be violated or that there is going to be racial profiling, How do you know ?

Seriously? Do you actually think this won't happen? The law calls for law enforcement to require papers from anyone who they suspect might be here illegally? How do you think these suspects will be identified if not by their appearance?

prfctlefts wrote:

I heard that the only way that the police could ask you if you are a citizen is if there is a traffic stop or a crime is being committed.Skin color has nothing to do with it.

That's not true. Read the law. (And maybe get a more reliable source of information.)

prfctlefts wrote:

Don't you people realize how out of control it is down there.It's catastrophic...

Again with the sky is falling stuff? It's funny that none of my many friends who live in Arizona think it's catastrophic and out of control there. It's also noteworthy that we in New Mexico don't feel like our state is having enough problems to warrant such a law.

prfctlefts wrote:

What about the residents of AZ and the country that support this bill ? Don't they and we have rights?

So what happened to that idea that people's rights end at the point where they infringe on the rights of others? Funny how that idea - that so many claim to stand so strongly for - flies right out the window when it's someone else's rights being infringed upon. :roll:

prfctlefts wrote:

Look at the impact illegal immagration has had on our schools ,hospitals, and not to mention crime. What about all the traffic accidents caused by illegals and the ones involved in DUI"s that didn't even have a license or car insurance where people have been actually killed ??? I can think of about 2 that happened in my state alone.

Please enlighten us as to what percentage of problems with schools and hospitals in the US are due to illegal immigration? And what percentage of crime in the US is committed by illegal immigrants? What percentage of DUIs are caused by illegal immigrants? And how can you POSSIBLY fault people for not having drivers licenses or car insurance when they are PROHIBITED from getting those things? (A prohibition that is supported, I might add, by the very same people who then go and complain that illegal immigrants don't have these things!)

I say we only allow people to live here who have sound reasoning skills. Of course that would mean we'd have to swap out many Americans for Mexicans.

I really don't know what fucking planet you or your friends are living on as far as you don't think there is a problem on the southern boarder. Do you even watch the news? You know why you don't think its a problem ? Cos it hasn't affected you... That's why.

you acuse me of the sky is falling stuff is why don't you go ask that ranchers family that was just killed how they feel about the problem. I think you are living in a bubble and are very narrow minded. if You think that there arent illegal aliens here that are driving on our roads with out a license or ins you are really in denial.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/document ... city-crime

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2008/ ... city-crime


http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington ... care_N.htm

Problem on the Southern Board has nothing to do with undocumented people. I've never heard of Mexican's killing people to simply cross the boarder. Yeah like that makes sense. Let me kill someone and then I'll go out and look for job ... What a good way to start.... That all has to do with drugs.
We can go back and forth on this with different situations. How do you tell the parents who lost there son in War, defending the interest of the USA, that they now have to be deported because they aren't citizens - yet they gave up there son/daughters for this country- Oh well you should have never came here! Dude we have committed horrible crimes against many races, should all those people take action against the US? What are we solving here? can we debate this and look for a solution or should we just keep exchanging history?

If are a racist then we probably wont get anywhere, but if you are open minded and are willing to accept people of different back rounds as citizens then maybe we can get somewhere. And please don't tell me that the 20 million undocumented people here should wait in line for 20 years to do it the right way, because slaves of all races were immediately legal to live under this flag.
Why don't you ask the mother who cannot have a proper funeral for her son who died in

_

aerial wrote:

In your last post you said you had no problems...
So are you saying if we legalize everything there will be no problems...oooh ok
:roll:

:? Huh? What the fuck are you talking about? Seriously. What are you talking about?? :? :?

Jason P

It is my understanding that the new rule is being imposed because the set of rules for entering the U.S. is being disregarded by a large number of people.

When I enter country I abide by the rules and carry a passport with me at all times. When I'm in the U.S. I carry identification with me at all times unless I'm swimming. It sucks that Arizona is doing this but there are a good number of people that didn't follow the rules for entering the U.S. and unfortunately it is going to affect some law abiding citizens and legal immigrants along the way.

As for racial profiling, I don't think the cops need this law anyway to add to their repertoire. That is what Click-It or Ticket is for.

Boxes&Books

aerial wrote:

scb wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

I really don't know what fucking planet you or your friends are living on as far as you don't think there is a problem on the southern boarder. Do you even watch the news? You know why you don't think its a problem ? Cos it hasn't affected you... That's why.

I don't need to watch (Fox) news to know what's happening on the border... I LIVE on the border! Please explain to me how illegal immigration has affected you more than it's affected me.

prfctlefts wrote:

you acuse me of the sky is falling stuff is why don't you go ask that ranchers family that was just killed how they feel about the problem.

Didn't we already address this in the other thread? The rancher was murdered (presumably) by a MURDERER, who happened to be Mexican. Not all Mexicans are murderers. In fact, most murderers in AZ are not Mexican. The problem is murderers - regardless of their color or nation of origin - not Mexicans.

prfctlefts wrote:

I think you are living in a bubble and are very narrow minded. if You think that there arent illegal aliens here that are driving on our roads with out a license or ins you are really in denial.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/document ... city-crime

:? Dude, what are you talking about? I said there are undocumented immigrants driving without drivers licenses or car insurance... and I said they are doing so because people like you refuse to let them get drivers licenses or car insurance. You can't have it both ways. You want them to have drivers licenses and car insurance? Let them get drivers licenses and car insurance! That's what we did in my state and - guess what? - we have less of a problem now![/quote]


In your last post you said you had no problems...
So are you saying if we legalize everything there will be no problems...oooh ok
:roll:

Let's use some common sense for a moment. If illegal immigrants were to become citizens- what would be the benefit? And would those benefits out weight the negatives?
For example 20 million people would have to pay a fee, 20 million would now have to purchase insurance, 20 million would now have identification, 20 million would now pay various taxes..etc..etc.. Who would benefit from this? what would be the negatives?
Please don't say 20 million people would be on welfare because that's just plain stupid.
Please don't tell me 20 million

mikepegg44

tonifig8 wrote:

Any of you folks who feel AZ's is in the wrong, with this new law against illegals, need to join the movement to boycott anything involving AZ. Boycott games, vacationing, or anything that comes out of that state.
The same people who feel threaten by illegals are the same people who felt threaten by blacks, certain white people are just passing down the hate from generation to generation...its all over our history. This has everything to do with racism, that's the bottom line... Reform could take place, but these people want no part of making illegals actual citizens, even though it could be financially beneficial to our country.

Hope I could at least find someone else out there who is willing to take this type of action.

It sure does seem to me, in reading all of your posts OP that you really do not like living in America. Why don't you exercise one of our greatest rights, being able to travel freely, and move. No one is keeping people in Arizona.
Completely bias reports have come out on both sides of the immigration issue regarding its true cost to America as a whole, so I cannot really speak to the actual cost to all tax payers. But I can say from my knowledge and experience, there are many illegal immigrants who come to Minneapolis with active TB or LTBI. These people, note the term because that is what they are, get thousands of dollars in healthcare paid for by property taxes and money from the state of minnesota. That is a substantial cost. I am glad we do it, otherwise TB might become a huge problem again, but it is still a cost. I don't know how much they pay in taxes as a group, but I do know the ones I work with do not pay a dime as they work for only cash. We would not have this cost if the border was secure.
The law will get struck down by either the state or us supreme court, so I am not sure what you are worried about anyway. why on earth do you keep ignoring me when I say that? This is either the greatest troll job in the history of the internet or you are just ignoring it because it is more fun to complain about something that hasn't happened yet.

Boxes&Books

Jason P wrote:

It is my understanding that the new rule is being imposed because the set of rules for entering the U.S. is being disregarded by a large number of people.

When I enter country I abide by the rules and carry a passport with me at all times. When I'm in the U.S. I carry identification with me at all times unless I'm swimming. It sucks that Arizona is doing this but there are a good number of people that didn't follow the rules for entering the U.S. and unfortunately it is going to affect some law abiding citizens and legal immigrants along the way.

As for racial profiling, I don't think the cops need this law anyway to add to their repertoire. That is what Click-It or Ticket is for.

unfortunately it is going to affect some law abiding citizens and legal immigrants along the way

I was born in the US and have lived here my whole life, am I suppose to now accept this change, based on my skin color? Oh well, I have to accept the fact that I am different. F@*! that America is better then that! At least its principles and Ideology is!

gimmesometruth27

mikepegg44 wrote:

It sure does seem to me, in reading all of your posts OP that you really do not like living in America. Why don't you exercise one of our greatest rights, being able to travel freely, and move. No one is keeping people in Arizona.

i've read all of his posts and i have not gotten that impression. are you the america police and telling people who can stay and who must go? as if its that easy....very mature argument there....

mikepegg44

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

It sure does seem to me, in reading all of your posts OP that you really do not like living in America. Why don't you exercise one of our greatest rights, being able to travel freely, and move. No one is keeping people in Arizona.

i've read all of his posts and i have not gotten that impression. are you the america police and telling people who can stay and who must go? as if its that easy....very mature argument there....

didn't say he had to go, just said if he doesn't like it here, he can freely leave. That is not childish in anyway. I certainly have gotten that impression, he has talked about how america exploits brown skinned people throughout the world for the progress and wealth of the white Americans, he has talked about how racist the cops generally are and how racist a country we are. Also he has talked about the "crimes" the us has committed around the world. Certainly seems like he does not like the US at all.
And like I said, he doesn't have to move, but if he dislikes the country that much, why doesn't he? why would he stay here and face this constant torment? How have you not gotten that impression?

Boxes&Books

mikepegg44 wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

Any of you folks who feel AZ's is in the wrong, with this new law against illegals, need to join the movement to boycott anything involving AZ. Boycott games, vacationing, or anything that comes out of that state.
The same people who feel threaten by illegals are the same people who felt threaten by blacks, certain white people are just passing down the hate from generation to generation...its all over our history. This has everything to do with racism, that's the bottom line... Reform could take place, but these people want no part of making illegals actual citizens, even though it could be financially beneficial to our country.

Hope I could at least find someone else out there who is willing to take this type of action.

It sure does seem to me, in reading all of your posts OP that you really do not like living in America. Why don't you exercise one of our greatest rights, being able to travel freely, and move. No one is keeping people in Arizona.
Completely bias reports have come out on both sides of the immigration issue regarding its true cost to America as a whole, so I cannot really speak to the actual cost to all tax payers. But I can say from my knowledge and experience, there are many illegal immigrants who come to Minneapolis with active TB or LTBI. These people, note the term because that is what they are, get thousands of dollars in healthcare paid for by property taxes and money from the state of minnesota. That is a substantial cost. I am glad we do it, otherwise TB might become a huge problem again, but it is still a cost. I don't know how much they pay in taxes as a group, but I do know the ones I work with do not pay a dime as they work for only cash. We would not have this cost if the border was secure.
The law will get struck down by either the state or us supreme court, so I am not sure what you are worried about anyway. why on earth do you keep ignoring me when I say that? This is either the greatest troll job in the history of the internet or you are just ignoring it because it is more fun to complain about something that hasn't happened yet.

I love my country - However I am not naive. I have done some reading here and there about my country's history and understand the actions it has taken through out our history. Because I don't believe that our country acted in the correct manner, on many occasions doesn't make me non patriotic or not love my country. Don't try and change the subject -its just the facts and I'm using them to prove points when discussing this issue of immigration.
As far as not answering your question - I have chosen not to because it's lined up with the hate of our nation. It moves our nation backwards. You state that this will probably not pass the federal courts, but the fact that we are still discussing the issue of race and hate is disheartening. You make it seem like its fine because it simply wont stick.... But ignore the fact that we still have this problem! That is my issue with your comment. Your right, it might not stick but the fact that we are going through all of this hate is sickening and makes me sad. Your comment makes me feel like your not getting the point, and your simply moving on because it wont stick.

The same words people are using against illegal immigrants today are the same words people were using against blacks in the 60's! WHAT HAS FREAKING CHANGED?????

everything has chains (changed- to me) Absolutely nothings changed !

We are an advanced civilization, yet we can't get pass our differences

Jason P

tonifig8 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

It is my understanding that the new rule is being imposed because the set of rules for entering the U.S. is being disregarded by a large number of people.

When I enter country I abide by the rules and carry a passport with me at all times. When I'm in the U.S. I carry identification with me at all times unless I'm swimming. It sucks that Arizona is doing this but there are a good number of people that didn't follow the rules for entering the U.S. and unfortunately it is going to affect some law abiding citizens and legal immigrants along the way.

As for racial profiling, I don't think the cops need this law anyway to add to their repertoire. That is what Click-It or Ticket is for.

unfortunately it is going to affect some law abiding citizens and legal immigrants along the way

I was born in the US and have lived here my whole life, am I suppose to now accept this change, based on my skin color? Oh well, I have to accept the fact that I am different. F@*! that America is better then that! At least its principles and Ideology is!

I agree that it is not a win-win situation. I think this will be a bigger problem for a recent legal citizen that does not have any identification and can't speak English very well. They will tend to suffer the most.

If you have lived here all your life, your communication skills should be sufficient for evading the new law.

gimmesometruth27

mikepegg44 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

It sure does seem to me, in reading all of your posts OP that you really do not like living in America. Why don't you exercise one of our greatest rights, being able to travel freely, and move. No one is keeping people in Arizona.

i've read all of his posts and i have not gotten that impression. are you the america police and telling people who can stay and who must go? as if its that easy....very mature argument there....

didn't say he had to go, just said if he doesn't like it here, he can freely leave. That is not childish in anyway. I certainly have gotten that impression, he has talked about how america exploits brown skinned people throughout the world for the progress and wealth of the white Americans, he has talked about how racist the cops generally are and how racist a country we are. Also he has talked about the "crimes" the us has committed around the world. Certainly seems like he does not like the US at all.
And like I said, he doesn't have to move, but if he dislikes the country that much, why doesn't he? why would he stay here and face this constant torment? How have you not gotten that impression?

so how does pointing out the shortcomings and the warts of your country make you hate your country or dislike living there? are you suggesting we can not be critical of our country? if that is what your are suggesting that is a very childish stance to take and would explain why we are so stupid and short sighted as a population. can you refute any of the things this country has done? or is it easier to ignore them and act as if they did not happen to perpetuate the illusion that our country is so perfect....

Boxes&Books

mikepegg44 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

It sure does seem to me, in reading all of your posts OP that you really do not like living in America. Why don't you exercise one of our greatest rights, being able to travel freely, and move. No one is keeping people in Arizona.

i've read all of his posts and i have not gotten that impression. are you the america police and telling people who can stay and who must go? as if its that easy....very mature argument there....

didn't say he had to go, just said if he doesn't like it here, he can freely leave. That is not childish in anyway. I certainly have gotten that impression, he has talked about how america exploits brown skinned people throughout the world for the progress and wealth of the white Americans, he has talked about how racist the cops generally are and how racist a country we are. Also he has talked about the "crimes" the us has committed around the world. Certainly seems like he does not like the US at all.
And like I said, he doesn't have to move, but if he dislikes the country that much, why doesn't he? why would he stay here and face this constant torment? How have you not gotten that impression?

I'm Correcting You -America has exploited many races...including white people........
read through my many post...
Never once did I say Whites have done anything...you must have assumed it based on history. Never once did I say all cops are racist or that anyone specifically is racist.
I love the US that's why I live here- Never said there was constant Torment about anything? I just don't ignore our history and the facts. I could talk about the many wonderful things our country has done, but right now I need to use the negatives to prove points against the opposition.
I am not picking on any specific race.... I am looking for a solution...will you help? and please don't say get the F@*! out of here or something counter productive.... we have a problem here ... How can we become a better civilization?

Boxes&Books

are you suggesting we can not be critical of our country? if that is what your are suggesting that is a very childish stance to take and would explain why we are so stupid and short sighted as a population. can you refute any of the things this country has done? or is it easier to ignore them and act as if they did not happen to perpetuate the illusion that our country is so perfect....

Wow - these are some powerful words - I love them +1
a lot of history books have tried to do this..... but the times are a changing....

Your comments are pure honesty and makes perfect sense. Now if only other civilizations would accept this- we might be living in a better world.

mikepegg44

tonifig8 wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

Any of you folks who feel AZ's is in the wrong, with this new law against illegals, need to join the movement to boycott anything involving AZ. Boycott games, vacationing, or anything that comes out of that state.
The same people who feel threaten by illegals are the same people who felt threaten by blacks, certain white people are just passing down the hate from generation to generation...its all over our history. This has everything to do with racism, that's the bottom line... Reform could take place, but these people want no part of making illegals actual citizens, even though it could be financially beneficial to our country.

Hope I could at least find someone else out there who is willing to take this type of action.

It sure does seem to me, in reading all of your posts OP that you really do not like living in America. Why don't you exercise one of our greatest rights, being able to travel freely, and move. No one is keeping people in Arizona.
Completely bias reports have come out on both sides of the immigration issue regarding its true cost to America as a whole, so I cannot really speak to the actual cost to all tax payers. But I can say from my knowledge and experience, there are many illegal immigrants who come to Minneapolis with active TB or LTBI. These people, note the term because that is what they are, get thousands of dollars in healthcare paid for by property taxes and money from the state of minnesota. That is a substantial cost. I am glad we do it, otherwise TB might become a huge problem again, but it is still a cost. I don't know how much they pay in taxes as a group, but I do know the ones I work with do not pay a dime as they work for only cash. We would not have this cost if the border was secure.
The law will get struck down by either the state or us supreme court, so I am not sure what you are worried about anyway. why on earth do you keep ignoring me when I say that? This is either the greatest troll job in the history of the internet or you are just ignoring it because it is more fun to complain about something that hasn't happened yet.

I love my country - However I am not naive. I have done some reading here and there about my country's history and understand the actions it has taken through out our history. Because I don't believe that our country acted in the correct manner, in many occasions doesn't make me non patriotic or not love the fact that I live in the greatest nation of the World. Don't try and change the subject -its just the facts and I'm using them to prove points when discussing this issue.
As far as not answering your question - I have chosen not to because it is lined up with the hate of our nation, it takes us as a nation backwards. You state that this will probably not pass the federal courts, but the fact that we are still discussing this issue in this manner is steps back. You make it seem like its ok, this wont stick.... But ignore the fact that we still have this problem! That is my issue with your comment, your right it might not stick, but the fact that we are going through all of this hate is sickening and makes me sad.

The same words people are using against illegal immigrants today are the same words people were using against blacks in the 60's! WHAT HAS FREAKING CHANGED?????

everything has chains (changed- to me) Absolutely nothings changed !

We are an advanced civilization, yet we can't get pass our differences

what about saying that the US supreme court or the Arizona state supreme court striking down this law is lined up with all the hate again?

No it isn't, it isn't a black white brown yellow issue. It is a criminal issue. It is ILLEGAL. It isn't based on hate of the mexican immigrant, it is based on the hate of people illegally coming to the country and our federal government seemingly unable to do anything to stop them. they are taking the risk. It isn't about hating them because they are brown. We limit all people coming to the country. My friend and coaching buddy just got sent back to .... CANADA because his work visa expired and he needed to go back and fill out paper work to get back here. Huh, pretty damn racist to me. Sent him back based on his skin col....oh wait they sent him back because if he had stayed here and worked without his work visa he would be here ILLEGALLY...

and no I am not suggesting that you cannot be critical of our country, I was saying that to ONE person on this forum who seemed to me to not just be critical but be afraid for everyday of his life here and seemed to hate the US with passion. that is my impression of him. that is why in my very first post I said it is hard to have a discussion rationally about such a passionate and personal topic because people tend to do things like you are doing now. Take a sentence that was one piece of a much smaller post, change the angle from which it was delivered and then attack it.
He can be critical of this country all day long, but living in constant fear must suck, which is why I told him he can leave and go to a place where he doesn't have to...

mikepegg44

tonifig8 wrote:

dpmay wrote:

should i skip the rockies/diamondbacks game tomorrow? haha.

It might be a joke to you, but for many of us who weren't born with white skin - it's definitely not funny. This is a stressful time for many of us American's who weren't fortunate enough to be born with white skin....

this post in itself implies that white people are doing it.