how do you people blame this on Arizona, white Americans and law enforcement? Why not blame the illegal immigrants and do something about it....
illegal immigrants broke the law and your okay with it?
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“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I'm as white as they come. That's me and my twin sister in my avatar. Mostly of Swedish, Finnish, and Scots-Irish descent. I'm from the south but have lived in the southwest since high school. I've lived primarily in places, including the Navajo Reservation in AZ, where white people are the minority. My BA is in women studies, with a minor in American studies, though I was a philosophy major for a long time. Now I'm working on a masters in public health, and have worked at a medical school / teaching hospital for the past 7 years.
I've had to work extremely hard to make something of myself, too, and also believe that everyone here has the potential to do the same. But I also believe in white privilege and think that, though everyone has the potential to make something of themselves, some face much greater disadvantages than others. I, too, see each person as a person unto themselves and they are equal in my book. But I know not everyone views people in that way, and I don't think our social structure is set up that way.
I asked your race because the sentence I quoted above seems typical to me of how white people and people of color might view this country differently, through their different lenses of experience.
good luck on the masters, I know it is a shit load of work. It is where I am going next after my R.N is done. I think eventually we need to have a serious discussion as a country as to what is happening with race. it is so hard to talk about it without being seen as a racist no matter what side you are on. I think too often it clouds peoples minds needlessly. Too many people benefit from the ongoing racial divide
A lot of people quote a stat like there are a significantly higher proportion of black men in prison, and say our justice system is racist instead of looking at it and saying, now are these black people who are innocent? should we just arrest more white people to average it out? They separate it into race and say our criminal justice system is the problem instead of wondering why so many black men 18-34 are committing crimes. Is it because they have no opportunity? is it because they are more likely to grow up around it? what is the self perpetuating cycle? I know for a fact that black people as a group are not criminals, so why is it that our jails are so misrepresented...it cannot all be racism, can it? I mean, when people think of racist states Iowa is very far from the top on the list, but they have the most racially skewed prison system, at least as of 2007 they did.
I know I am going to get pounded for saying this as a racist but I am more of a pragmatist by nature. It doesn't make sense to me that racism can be the only reason behind this. But, when having a discussion about it, it always seems to break down to calling the justice system and the cops racists.
I don't know, maybe I am just naive. But I just don't think race and racism cause all the problems and are the motivation for a lot of behaviors.
Its not all about racism, but one of the main reasons why our jails are filled to the max and continue to grow is because of hate and poverty. Harsher punishments are established, more time is given, and yet the jails continue to fill. Most conservatives believe that if you make harsher punishments crime will go down, but it hasn't. I think we all know the reason why our jails filled up- Poverty, capitalism, education, race, and opportunity to name a few.
I like Capitalism, but we live in a complicated system - where a lot of people view it as Corporatism-
how do you people blame this on Arizona, white Americans and law enforcement? Why not blame the illegal immigrants and do something about it....
illegal immigrants broke the law and your okay with it?
what would Jesus do?
It depends on which Jesus you believe in.
Conservative believers would probably think Jesus would agree with the current law, just as they believed Jesus would not support universal healthcare.
Congressman Bilbray (R) California says you can tell someone is illegal by the clothes they wear. Maybe Rep. Bilbray can go to Arizona and teach the police how to profile.
This law does make Hispanic Americans second class citizens
A Colorado Democrat says Arizona is on its way to becoming a “police state” and its new immigration law is “reminiscent” of Nazi Germany.
“It is absolutely reminiscent of second class status of Jews in Germany prior to World War II when they had to have their papers with them at all times and were subject to routine inspections at the suspicion of being Jewish,” Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo), who is Jewish, told POLITICO.
“I fear that Arizona is headed for a police state and it really underscores the need for immigration reform at the federal level to fix our system,” he said.
Arizona’s new immigration law, signed last week by Gov. Jan Brewer (R), requires police officers to ask people for identification papers if they have “reasonable suspicion” to believe that someone is an undocumented immigrant. The law has sparked protests across the country and reignited a national debate over comprehensive immigration reform.
Polis was careful to point out he was not comparing the law to the Holocaust but rather to the period before the war when Jews were required to carry papers and identify themselves publicly.
“I think it’s a very fair comparison and I hope that we’re not headed on the same trajectory that Nazi Germany was,” Polis said. “But this was a very recent experience for Jewish Americans and Jews worldwide and it’s something that when we see similarities we start ringing alarm bells.”
Polis also said the politics underpinning the Arizona law would keep Jews firmly in the Democratic political camp.
“Many Jews have been uneasy with President Obama’s policy on Israel…but when they see scary policies, endorsed by mainstream Republicans, signed into law by mainstream Republicans, like this Arizona law, it means the only choice for Jewish voters is the Democratic Party,” he said.
Arizona Sen. John McCain (R) has called the Arizona law a “step forward” and a “good tool,” though his office has said his statements do not represent an endorsement of the law. His position is a dramatic switch from 2007, when he was a key proponent of comprehensive immigration reform.
If you are against this new law Please help out with the boycott- Text all of your friends, post it on your face book page, your blogs, your twitter page, etc..etc...
I know some feel a boycott isn't the best solution- and I respect your position, but here is mine and until I here better ideas or find a better approach I will continue to boycott anything related AZ.
If you are against this new law Please help out with the boycott- Text all of your friends, post it on your face book page, your blogs, your twitter page, etc..etc...
I know some feel a boycott isn't the best solution- and I respect your position, but here is mine and until I here better ideas or find a better approach I will continue to boycott anything related AZ.
thank you,
tony
What f good is a boycott going to do. :? :roll: You sound like that Bafoon,race baiting, ambulance chasing Moron Al not so Sharpton.
Business owners of restaurants and retail stores have nothing to do with this bill or law enforcement for that matter. :roll:
If you are against this new law Please help out with the boycott- Text all of your friends, post it on your face book page, your blogs, your twitter page, etc..etc...
I know some feel a boycott isn't the best solution- and I respect your position, but here is mine and until I here better ideas or find a better approach I will continue to boycott anything related AZ.
thank you,
tony
What f good is a boycott going to do. :? :roll: You sound like that Bafoon,race baiting, ambulance chasing Moron Al not so Sharpton.
Business owners of restaurants and retail stores have nothing to do with this bill or law enforcement for that matter. :roll:
Tell that to Bill O who claims his boycotts got Luda fired from Pepsi and France tourism to go down. But those were much more important issues than racial profiling. :roll:
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If you are against this new law Please help out with the boycott- Text all of your friends, post it on your face book page, your blogs, your twitter page, etc..etc...
I know some feel a boycott isn't the best solution- and I respect your position, but here is mine and until I here better ideas or find a better approach I will continue to boycott anything related AZ.
thank you,
tony
What f good is a boycott going to do. :? :roll: You sound like that Bafoon,race baiting, ambulance chasing Moron Al not so Sharpton.
Business owners of restaurants and retail stores have nothing to do with this bill or law enforcement for that matter. :roll:
a boycott would decrease tourist dollars flowing into the state for one thing. how about we don't send our kids there for college so they can't rake in the bucks for that hefty out of state tuition? thats a start. truckdrivers are threatening to not drive though there or deliver things or pick up cargo from there so that will hurt business there. he might sound like a buffoon to you, but you sound like a damn racist blog stealing bigot to me.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
a boycott would decrease tourist dollars flowing into the state for one thing. how about we don't send our kids there for college so they can't rake in the bucks for that hefty out of state tuition? thats a start. truckdrivers are threatening to not drive though there or deliver things or pick up cargo from there so that will hurt business there. he might sound like a buffoon to you, but you sound like a damn racist blog stealing bigot to me.
Back to the original subject of the thread, do you really believe a boycott of AZ is the answer?
a boycott would decrease tourist dollars flowing into the state for one thing. how about we don't send our kids there for college so they can't rake in the bucks for that hefty out of state tuition? thats a start. truckdrivers are threatening to not drive though there or deliver things or pick up cargo from there so that will hurt business there. he might sound like a buffoon to you, but you sound like a damn racist blog stealing bigot to me.
Back to the original subject of the thread, do you really believe a boycott of AZ is the answer?
SBC,
I respect your opinion and find many of your posts to be fare and balanced. I know you and I do not agree on the boycott, but for me it's really all I can do. That and debate on various social forums. I have called the white house, congress representatives, and various political action groups.
a boycott would decrease tourist dollars flowing into the state for one thing. how about we don't send our kids there for college so they can't rake in the bucks for that hefty out of state tuition? thats a start. truckdrivers are threatening to not drive though there or deliver things or pick up cargo from there so that will hurt business there. he might sound like a buffoon to you, but you sound like a damn racist blog stealing bigot to me.
Back to the original subject of the thread, do you really believe a boycott of AZ is the answer?
no, and i don't have "the answer". nobody does, as evidenced by all of the hatred thrown around on the board these last few days...but decreased toursim and businesses getting hurt is not good for any state. as in any movement, you want to hit them where it hurts, and that is in the revenue stream. i've been to arizona a few times and i loved it. but i will not be going back now because my principles mean more to me than any vacation spot.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
a boycott would decrease tourist dollars flowing into the state for one thing. how about we don't send our kids there for college so they can't rake in the bucks for that hefty out of state tuition? thats a start. truckdrivers are threatening to not drive though there or deliver things or pick up cargo from there so that will hurt business there. he might sound like a buffoon to you, but you sound like a damn racist blog stealing bigot to me.
Back to the original subject of the thread, do you really believe a boycott of AZ is the answer?
no,it will only hurt the business owners besides it wont happen.
If you are against this new law Please help out with the boycott- Text all of your friends, post it on your face book page, your blogs, your twitter page, etc..etc...
I know some feel a boycott isn't the best solution- and I respect your position, but here is mine and until I here better ideas or find a better approach I will continue to boycott anything related AZ.
thank you,
tony
What f good is a boycott going to do. :? :roll: You sound like that Bafoon,race baiting, ambulance chasing Moron Al not so Sharpton.
Business owners of restaurants and retail stores have nothing to do with this bill or law enforcement for that matter. :roll:
a boycott would decrease tourist dollars flowing into the state for one thing. how about we don't send our kids there for college so they can't rake in the bucks for that hefty out of state tuition? thats a start. truckdrivers are threatening to not drive though there or deliver things or pick up cargo from there so that will hurt business there. he might sound like a buffoon to you, but you sound like a damn racist blog stealing bigot to me.
I know Mexico's president has also made a statement that Mexico will not do business with AZ.
I know many will say, that Mexico needs the US more then the US needs Mexico, and that's simply hate and oppression.
I travel through AZ all the time when visiting some of my family in Mexico- and I see all of the businesses that AZ has in my families town in Mexico - I see first hand, how much money the people, in that particular area, are paid. Well those US businesses rack in the cash! For example they have fields of Asparagus that they grow, some people make 20 dollars a day working those fields, working in the hot desert sun all day, while the US business man racks in the profits. The Mexican land is exploited and its people are used for cheap labor. But no one in that are of Mexico are complaining, at least I've never heard them.
Anyhow, a lot of people are stepping up with boycotts. San Francisco will not being doing business with AZ, many Latino's will not be going to the Dodger games vs AZ, I haven't been watching any of the NBA playoff games involving AZ (i love basketball), etc..etc..
a boycott would decrease tourist dollars flowing into the state for one thing. how about we don't send our kids there for college so they can't rake in the bucks for that hefty out of state tuition? thats a start. truckdrivers are threatening to not drive though there or deliver things or pick up cargo from there so that will hurt business there. he might sound like a buffoon to you, but you sound like a damn racist blog stealing bigot to me.
Back to the original subject of the thread, do you really believe a boycott of AZ is the answer?
no,it will only hurt the business owners besides it wont happen.
Godfather.
It's happening now- I'm boycotting .... That's at least one voice
a boycott would decrease tourist dollars flowing into the state for one thing. how about we don't send our kids there for college so they can't rake in the bucks for that hefty out of state tuition? thats a start. truckdrivers are threatening to not drive though there or deliver things or pick up cargo from there so that will hurt business there. he might sound like a buffoon to you, but you sound like a damn racist blog stealing bigot to me.
Back to the original subject of the thread, do you really believe a boycott of AZ is the answer?
no, and i don't have "the answer". nobody does, as evidenced by all of the hatred thrown around on the board these last few days...but decreased toursim and businesses getting hurt is not good for any state. as in any movement, you want to hit them where it hurts, and that is in the revenue stream. i've been to arizona a few times and i loved it. but i will not be going back now because my principles mean more to me than any vacation spot.
Well said. I agree.
Isn't that what Sanctions are all about? When the US tries to hurt other nations, by removing economic means, so that we can get there attention and cooperation?
A boycott against a corporation or single entity may achieve attainable results but I think it would be difficult to use a boycott as a means of persuasion against an entire state. Also, if you are somehow successful in boycotting to the point where it is news-worthy, then your opponents may go out of their way to spend their money in AZ therefore negating your efforts.
Opponents of this bill need to focus their attack and I believe that a general boycott of the entire state of Arizona will have a negligible impact. Right now the pressure should be put on through protest and by calling upon local leaders to support your cause.
a boycott would decrease tourist dollars flowing into the state for one thing. how about we don't send our kids there for college so they can't rake in the bucks for that hefty out of state tuition? thats a start. truckdrivers are threatening to not drive though there or deliver things or pick up cargo from there so that will hurt business there. he might sound like a buffoon to you, but you sound like a damn racist blog stealing bigot to me.
Back to the original subject of the thread, do you really believe a boycott of AZ is the answer?
no, and i don't have "the answer". nobody does, as evidenced by all of the hatred thrown around on the board these last few days...but decreased toursim and businesses getting hurt is not good for any state. as in any movement, you want to hit them where it hurts, and that is in the revenue stream. i've been to arizona a few times and i loved it. but i will not be going back now because my principles mean more to me than any vacation spot.
and what principls are those ??? Ignoring the rule of law ?? As matter of fact why don't you just boycott every state. Since it's the same as the federal law..
and what principls are those ??? Ignoring the rule of law ?? As matter of fact why don't you just boycott every state. Since it's the same as the federal law..
rule of WHAT law? this law is NOT the same as the federal law. there are too many immigration laws and all say different things. nobody knows what to enforce. its like playing a game of one on one with an uncoordinated child and calling him for double dribble. sometimes you have to end up letting some things slide...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I know Mexico's president has also made a statement that Mexico will not do business with AZ.
Oh now there's a hypocrite and MORON if there ever was one. Who cares what he says !!!! He's part of the damn problem. He cant even control all the NARCO TERRORISM that is happenning in Mexico and that is spilling over the southern boarder !!!
They have some of the most horrific and racist immagration laws in the world against other Hispanics who come up from Costa Rica, Honduras, Nicaragua ect.
All Arizona is doing is enforcing FEDERAL LAW. How can any reasonable person not understand this????
It is the job of the Federal Gov to protect it's citizens from chaos and mayhem which is what we have on the southern boarder of Arizona.
and what principls are those ??? Ignoring the rule of law ?? As matter of fact why don't you just boycott every state. Since it's the same as the federal law..
rule of WHAT law? this law is NOT the same as the federal law. there are too many immigration laws and all say different things. nobody knows what to enforce. its like playing a game of one on one with an uncoordinated child and calling him for double dribble. sometimes you have to end up letting some things slide...
Whatever you know what I mean :roll:
You can't just stroll into our country without any kind of legal documentaton.
The law arizona passed is essentially federal law. All they did was pass statutes that said that they could enforce federal law. it's that simple
and what principls are those ??? Ignoring the rule of law ?? As matter of fact why don't you just boycott every state. Since it's the same as the federal law..
rule of WHAT law? this law is NOT the same as the federal law. there are too many immigration laws and all say different things. nobody knows what to enforce. its like playing a game of one on one with an uncoordinated child and calling him for double dribble. sometimes you have to end up letting some things slide...
Whatever you know what I mean :roll:
You can't just stroll into our country without any kind of legal documentaton.
The law arizona passed is essentially federal law. All they did was pass statutes that said that they could enforce federal law. it's that simple
nobody is saying stroll right in without any kind of legal documentation. i am saying don't fucking profile people. its illegal, unconstitutional, and just dickish.
and i will say it again, that law is not the same as the federal law(s).
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
a boycott would decrease tourist dollars flowing into the state for one thing. how about we don't send our kids there for college so they can't rake in the bucks for that hefty out of state tuition? thats a start. truckdrivers are threatening to not drive though there or deliver things or pick up cargo from there so that will hurt business there. he might sound like a buffoon to you, but you sound like a damn racist blog stealing bigot to me.
Back to the original subject of the thread, do you really believe a boycott of AZ is the answer?
SBC,
I respect your opinion and find many of your posts to be fare and balanced. I know you and I do not agree on the boycott, but for me it's really all I can do. That and debate on various social forums. I have called the white house, congress representatives, and various political action groups.
Thanks, and good job on calling Congress, etc. :thumbup: I actually didn't realize you were in support of the boycott, which is why I was asking.
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what would Jesus do?
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Its not all about racism, but one of the main reasons why our jails are filled to the max and continue to grow is because of hate and poverty. Harsher punishments are established, more time is given, and yet the jails continue to fill. Most conservatives believe that if you make harsher punishments crime will go down, but it hasn't. I think we all know the reason why our jails filled up- Poverty, capitalism, education, race, and opportunity to name a few.
I like Capitalism, but we live in a complicated system - where a lot of people view it as Corporatism-
sorry, it you want your status of being the "paranoid one" back, you can have it.
I am just trying to use common sense and history as my guide.
It depends on which Jesus you believe in.
Conservative believers would probably think Jesus would agree with the current law, just as they believed Jesus would not support universal healthcare.
I know what the Jesus I believe in would do.
A Colorado Democrat says Arizona is on its way to becoming a “police state” and its new immigration law is “reminiscent” of Nazi Germany.
“It is absolutely reminiscent of second class status of Jews in Germany prior to World War II when they had to have their papers with them at all times and were subject to routine inspections at the suspicion of being Jewish,” Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo), who is Jewish, told POLITICO.
“I fear that Arizona is headed for a police state and it really underscores the need for immigration reform at the federal level to fix our system,” he said.
Arizona’s new immigration law, signed last week by Gov. Jan Brewer (R), requires police officers to ask people for identification papers if they have “reasonable suspicion” to believe that someone is an undocumented immigrant. The law has sparked protests across the country and reignited a national debate over comprehensive immigration reform.
Polis was careful to point out he was not comparing the law to the Holocaust but rather to the period before the war when Jews were required to carry papers and identify themselves publicly.
“I think it’s a very fair comparison and I hope that we’re not headed on the same trajectory that Nazi Germany was,” Polis said. “But this was a very recent experience for Jewish Americans and Jews worldwide and it’s something that when we see similarities we start ringing alarm bells.”
Polis also said the politics underpinning the Arizona law would keep Jews firmly in the Democratic political camp.
“Many Jews have been uneasy with President Obama’s policy on Israel…but when they see scary policies, endorsed by mainstream Republicans, signed into law by mainstream Republicans, like this Arizona law, it means the only choice for Jewish voters is the Democratic Party,” he said.
Arizona Sen. John McCain (R) has called the Arizona law a “step forward” and a “good tool,” though his office has said his statements do not represent an endorsement of the law. His position is a dramatic switch from 2007, when he was a key proponent of comprehensive immigration reform.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/04 ... z0mFsmiUPK
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp ... 8#36791568
and tell me this is not true!
Russell Pearce the guy who originally introduced the bill
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Pearce
tell me all of this isn't about race....
dose that come with welfare and food stamps
Godfather.
I know some feel a boycott isn't the best solution- and I respect your position, but here is mine and until I here better ideas or find a better approach I will continue to boycott anything related AZ.
thank you,
tony
What f good is a boycott going to do. :? :roll: You sound like that Bafoon,race baiting, ambulance chasing Moron Al not so Sharpton.
Business owners of restaurants and retail stores have nothing to do with this bill or law enforcement for that matter. :roll:
Tell that to Bill O who claims his boycotts got Luda fired from Pepsi and France tourism to go down. But those were much more important issues than racial profiling. :roll:
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Is that really necessary?
I thought it was friggin funny
Godfather.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Back to the original subject of the thread, do you really believe a boycott of AZ is the answer?
SBC,
I respect your opinion and find many of your posts to be fare and balanced. I know you and I do not agree on the boycott, but for me it's really all I can do. That and debate on various social forums. I have called the white house, congress representatives, and various political action groups.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
no,it will only hurt the business owners besides it wont happen.
Godfather.
I know Mexico's president has also made a statement that Mexico will not do business with AZ.
I know many will say, that Mexico needs the US more then the US needs Mexico, and that's simply hate and oppression.
I travel through AZ all the time when visiting some of my family in Mexico- and I see all of the businesses that AZ has in my families town in Mexico - I see first hand, how much money the people, in that particular area, are paid. Well those US businesses rack in the cash! For example they have fields of Asparagus that they grow, some people make 20 dollars a day working those fields, working in the hot desert sun all day, while the US business man racks in the profits. The Mexican land is exploited and its people are used for cheap labor. But no one in that are of Mexico are complaining, at least I've never heard them.
Anyhow, a lot of people are stepping up with boycotts. San Francisco will not being doing business with AZ, many Latino's will not be going to the Dodger games vs AZ, I haven't been watching any of the NBA playoff games involving AZ (i love basketball), etc..etc..
It's happening now- I'm boycotting .... That's at least one voice
Well said. I agree.
Isn't that what Sanctions are all about? When the US tries to hurt other nations, by removing economic means, so that we can get there attention and cooperation?
Opponents of this bill need to focus their attack and I believe that a general boycott of the entire state of Arizona will have a negligible impact. Right now the pressure should be put on through protest and by calling upon local leaders to support your cause.
and what principls are those ??? Ignoring the rule of law ?? As matter of fact why don't you just boycott every state. Since it's the same as the federal law..
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Oh now there's a hypocrite and MORON if there ever was one. Who cares what he says !!!! He's part of the damn problem. He cant even control all the NARCO TERRORISM that is happenning in Mexico and that is spilling over the southern boarder !!!
They have some of the most horrific and racist immagration laws in the world against other Hispanics who come up from Costa Rica, Honduras, Nicaragua ect.
All Arizona is doing is enforcing FEDERAL LAW. How can any reasonable person not understand this????
It is the job of the Federal Gov to protect it's citizens from chaos and mayhem which is what we have on the southern boarder of Arizona.
Whatever you know what I mean :roll:
You can't just stroll into our country without any kind of legal documentaton.
The law arizona passed is essentially federal law. All they did was pass statutes that said that they could enforce federal law. it's that simple
and i will say it again, that law is not the same as the federal law(s).
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Thanks, and good job on calling Congress, etc. :thumbup: I actually didn't realize you were in support of the boycott, which is why I was asking.