The official $92.05 is Too much Thread

merkinball

Keep in mind, they are doing much smaller tours these days. If you're only playing 20-30 shows a year, tix are going to be more to keep the staffing up. Money goes to the touring crew too. These guys must be on a full time payroll for the amount of time they've stayed with the band.

Most of the other bands listed tour way more often than PJ, and in more cities (whether we like it or not). Doing so those bands can keep their prices lower, the overall net gain for the whole tour will be higher cause they are selling more overall tickets per tour.

And besides? It's not like they aren't moving at this price. You think that it would be any easier to get tickets at $40 a pop? You'd still have people reselling them in the $100's, so I don't begrudge PJ for taking some of that aftermarket for themselves.

hopethatuchoke

knowcode10 wrote:

Why do so many people post on a message for a band and all they do is complain?

Click on some folks' names, see their posts, and they are all complaints.

I'm no sheep, but I don't join a place where all I'm going to do is complain either.

Have to say I am guilty of this and I agree with you.

JonnyPistachio

Another perspective...
Do you not think Pearl Jam deserves it?

I think they do. What are there, 6-7 billion people on the planet? Five guys out of that 7 billion come together and you see them maybe once a year, pay each of those guys Five dollars an hour to make the most beautiful music on the planet. geesh. I guess i'm just a sheep for actually appreciating something that is amazing and not bitching about a 5-10 dollar difference between that and a depeche mode show. It's just silly.

UncleNeil

stranger34 wrote:

He actually did bold Neil specifically which I don't have the price for. It's possible that the Neil show was more, but I think I paid under $90 total to see Neil at MSG... but it's possible I paid more.

nonetheless. that would be a small battle won by the PJ apologists, but the war on this front is won.

Yes, it was hard to notice in the quot.

Neil played MSG in 2008 also and tix were $130+ and up to $250.

i got id

If Pearl Jam can consistently sell out 10-15 dates a year, why should they lower prices? If they lowered prices to even $60, I guarantee you would see even more tickets being scalped. I have no problem with them taking the cut.

Also, does anyone here know how much money they actually pocket from this? After accounting for the venue's cut, support staff, infrastructure, etc. I know the last tour or two, someone posted rough percentages and it's significantly less than you'd think

JonnyPistachio

merkinball wrote:

Keep in mind, they are doing much smaller tours these days. If you're only playing 20-30 shows a year, tix are going to be more to keep the staffing up. Money goes to the touring crew too. These guys must be on a full time payroll for the amount of time they've stayed with the band.

Most of the other bands listed tour way more often than PJ, and in more cities (whether we like it or not). Doing so those bands can keep their prices lower, the overall net gain for the whole tour will be higher cause they are selling more overall tickets per tour.

And besides? It's not like they aren't moving at this price. You think that it would be any easier to get tickets at $40 a pop? You'd still have people reselling them in the $100's, so I don't begrudge PJ for taking some of that aftermarket for themselves.

this is another great point Merkinball.
I agree, also if the tickets were cheaper, it would be harder to get better seats as more people would be buying them up faster.

PrlJmr10

jets521 wrote:

you people are unbelievable.

if you are going to bitch about the ticket prices then DONT BUY EM

seriously - this is STILL a free country (at present) and you do have the choice to not purchase/go - quitchurbitchin!!!!!!

stranger34

UncleNeil wrote:

stranger34 wrote:

He actually did bold Neil specifically which I don't have the price for. It's possible that the Neil show was more, but I think I paid under $90 total to see Neil at MSG... but it's possible I paid more.

nonetheless. that would be a small battle won by the PJ apologists, but the war on this front is won.

Yes, it was hard to notice in the quot.

Neil played MSG in 2008 also and tix were $130+ and up to $250.

FALSE

I just looked it up. My tickets were $75 Face and I forgot... Wilco opened.

stranger34

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Another perspective...
Do you not think Pearl Jam deserves it?

I think they do. What are there, 6-7 billion people on the planet? Five guys out of that 7 billion come together and you see them maybe once a year, pay each of those guys Five dollars an hour to make the most beautiful music on the planet. geesh. I guess i'm just a sheep for actually appreciating something that is amazing and not bitching about a 5-10 dollar difference between that and a depeche mode show. It's just silly.

Wonderful, but this has nothing to do with PJ betraying their own stated principles and many of their fans blindly defending them baselessly

merkinball

i got id wrote:

If Pearl Jam can consistently sell out 10-15 dates a year, why should they lower prices? If they lowered prices to even $60, I guarantee you would see even more tickets being scalped. I have no problem with them taking the cut.

Also, does anyone here know how much money they actually pocket from this? After accounting for the venue's cut, support staff, infrastructure, etc. I know the last tour or two, someone posted rough percentages and it's significantly less than you'd think

Wait? So this isn't what it looks like at 10c headquarters after a ticket sale?

teeman

hopethatuchoke wrote:

knowcode10 wrote:

Why do so many people post on a message for a band and all they do is complain?

Click on some folks' names, see their posts, and they are all complaints.

I'm no sheep, but I don't join a place where all I'm going to do is complain either.

Have to say I am guilty of this and I agree with you.

I guess the Cos is very self-aware!

It's my own damn fault for reading this board when I should be working.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Stranger... "the war on this front is won"... ?

The only thing that has been won- or better yet... proven- is that there are people in the neighbourhood... in the neighbourhood... in the nayboorhood

that are useless. I listen to you at work. I listen to you on forums. I listen to you in line-ups. "Everything is the shits. Why can't it be like this? Why do they have to be like that? Blah blah blah!"

Complain about everything. Bitter angry people and why? I asked you what you did for a living and what you made. You never responded. I guess it's safe to assume that you probably make more than what you are truly worth- forcing good people to pay higher costs for whatever product you have a part of manufacturing or service you are providing! Man... where are your principles?

I go to a ton of concerts like everyone else. I was at Metallica, U2, Neil Young, Roger Waters, Dave Matthews a bunch of times, blah blah blah. Their prices are comparable. The last thing I would ever think about doing is running to my stash of stubs and getting upset because PJ charged 5 more dollars than (laughing) the Goo Goo Dolls. OMG. seriously. Wow. You should be embarassed about right now.

InHiding19

Ok, they are increasing ticket prices right, but what is up the 11$ ticketbastard charge? Now that is some bulllshit!

jets521

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Stranger... "the war on this front is won"... ?

The only thing that has been won- or better yet... proven- is that there are people in the neighbourhood... in the neighbourhood... in the nayboorhood

that are useless. I listen to you at work. I listen to you on forums. I listen to you in line-ups. "Everything is the shits. Why can't it be like this? Why do they have to be like that? Blah blah blah!"

Complain about everything. Bitter angry people and why? I asked you what you did for a living and what you made. You never responded. I guess it's safe to assume that you probably make more than what you are truly worth- forcing good people to pay higher costs for whatever product you have a part of manufacturing or service you are providing! Man... where are your principles?

I go to a ton of concerts like everyone else. I was at Metallica, U2, Neil Young, Roger Waters, Dave Matthews a bunch of times, blah blah blah. Their prices are comparable. The last thing I would ever think about doing is running to my stash of stubs and getting upset because PJ charged 5 more dollars than (laughing) the Goo Goo Dolls. OMG. seriously. Wow. You should be embarassed about right now.

i believe the term is "pwned"

stranger34

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Stranger... "the war on this front is won"... ?

The only thing that has been won- or better yet... proven- is that there are people in the neighbourhood... in the neighbourhood... in the nayboorhood

that are useless. I listen to you at work. I listen to you on forums. I listen to you in line-ups. "Everything is the shits. Why can't it be like this? Why do they have to be like that? Blah blah blah!"

Complain about everything. Bitter angry people and why? I asked you what you did for a living and what you made. You never responded. I guess it's safe to assume that you probably make more than what you are truly worth- forcing good people to pay higher costs for whatever product you have a part of manufacturing or service you are providing! Man... where are your principles?

I go to a ton of concerts like everyone else. I was at Metallica, U2, Neil Young, Roger Waters, Dave Matthews a bunch of times, blah blah blah. Their prices are comparable. The last thing I would ever think about doing is running to my stash of stubs and getting upset because PJ charged 5 more dollars than (laughing) the Goo Goo Dolls. OMG. seriously. Wow. You should be embarassed about right now.

They charged $45 more dollars than the Goo Goo Dolls

teeman

stranger34 wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Stranger... "the war on this front is won"... ?

The only thing that has been won- or better yet... proven- is that there are people in the neighbourhood... in the neighbourhood... in the nayboorhood

that are useless. I listen to you at work. I listen to you on forums. I listen to you in line-ups. "Everything is the shits. Why can't it be like this? Why do they have to be like that? Blah blah blah!"

Complain about everything. Bitter angry people and why? I asked you what you did for a living and what you made. You never responded. I guess it's safe to assume that you probably make more than what you are truly worth- forcing good people to pay higher costs for whatever product you have a part of manufacturing or service you are providing! Man... where are your principles?

I go to a ton of concerts like everyone else. I was at Metallica, U2, Neil Young, Roger Waters, Dave Matthews a bunch of times, blah blah blah. Their prices are comparable. The last thing I would ever think about doing is running to my stash of stubs and getting upset because PJ charged 5 more dollars than (laughing) the Goo Goo Dolls. OMG. seriously. Wow. You should be embarassed about right now.

They charged $45 more dollars than the Goo Goo Dolls

I would pay to keep the Goo Goo Dolls from coming to my town.

stranger34

stranger34 wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Stranger... "the war on this front is won"... ?

The only thing that has been won- or better yet... proven- is that there are people in the neighbourhood... in the neighbourhood... in the nayboorhood

that are useless. I listen to you at work. I listen to you on forums. I listen to you in line-ups. "Everything is the shits. Why can't it be like this? Why do they have to be like that? Blah blah blah!"

Complain about everything. Bitter angry people and why? I asked you what you did for a living and what you made. You never responded. I guess it's safe to assume that you probably make more than what you are truly worth- forcing good people to pay higher costs for whatever product you have a part of manufacturing or service you are providing! Man... where are your principles?

I go to a ton of concerts like everyone else. I was at Metallica, U2, Neil Young, Roger Waters, Dave Matthews a bunch of times, blah blah blah. Their prices are comparable. The last thing I would ever think about doing is running to my stash of stubs and getting upset because PJ charged 5 more dollars than (laughing) the Goo Goo Dolls. OMG. seriously. Wow. You should be embarassed about right now.

They charged $45 more dollars than the Goo Goo Dolls

Why should I tell you how much I make and what I do for a living? It has zero to do with anything and it's a low brow attempt by you to change the subject.

pjl44

Once again, a lot of conveniently wrong prices (with some correct). I'll repost what I posted in the last forum about ticket prices. Not sure about Neil Young, but that Depeche Mode assertion is definitely wrong. I skipped them last tour because a comparable ticket to a 10C ticket was $125 (pavilion seating at Great Woods). I'd also like to reiterate the simple economics:

If they cut the prices of shows that are selling out already, it will be exponentially harder for you to get into the door at all. Scalper prices won't come down because it's market driven. Thus, it's more money in the scalpers' pockets vs. the band, crew, promoter, etc. Until Pearl Jam becomes less popular, the ticket prices are not going down. Not greed...simple economics.



For comparison, these are all shows with comparable seating. The prices are correct because I'm staring at the ticket stubs (or order confirmations)...includes all fees...face value cost out the door...

Tom Petty, Comcast Center, August 2010, $87
Pearl Jam, TD Garden, May 2010, $85
Muse, TD Garden, March 2010, $75
Tool, Verizon Wireless Arena, August 2009, $62
Metallica, TD Garden, January 2009, $95
Radiohead, Tweeter Center, August 2008, $73
Rush, Tweeter Center, June 2008, $82
R.E.M., Tweeter Center, June 2008, $90

SolarWorld

stranger34 wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Another perspective...
Do you not think Pearl Jam deserves it?

I think they do. What are there, 6-7 billion people on the planet? Five guys out of that 7 billion come together and you see them maybe once a year, pay each of those guys Five dollars an hour to make the most beautiful music on the planet. geesh. I guess i'm just a sheep for actually appreciating something that is amazing and not bitching about a 5-10 dollar difference between that and a depeche mode show. It's just silly.

Wonderful, but this has nothing to do with PJ betraying their own stated principles and many of their fans blindly defending them baselessly

STFU! Why do you hold these guys up on some flawless pedestal? Its so naive its not even funny. I'm not "defending" Pearl Jam, but they have a right to make whatever living they want. If they want to make sure their kid's kid's future is financially secure its their goddamn right to. If they want to make sure they pay their crew well its their goddamn right to. If they know they are one of the greatest rock bands to ever form they have a goddamn right to charge accordingly. They don't owe you anything. I love how people call us sheep for being realists. Grow up, Gen X "stick it to the man" has, you should too.

stranger34

pjl44 wrote:

Once again, a lot of conveniently wrong prices (with some correct). I'll repost what I posted in the last forum about ticket prices. Not sure about Neil Young, but that Depeche Mode assertion is definitely wrong. I skipped them last tour because a comparable ticket to a 10C ticket was $125 (pavilion seating at Great Woods). I'd also like to reiterate the simple economics:

If they cut the prices of shows that are selling out already, it will be exponentially harder for you to get into the door at all. Scalper prices won't come down because it's market driven. Thus, it's more money in the scalpers' pockets vs. the band, crew, promoter, etc. Until Pearl Jam becomes less popular, the ticket prices are not going down. Not greed...simple economics.



For comparison, these are all shows with comparable seating. The prices are correct because I'm staring at the ticket stubs (or order confirmations)...includes all fees...face value cost out the door...

Tom Petty, Comcast Center, August 2010, $87
Pearl Jam, TD Garden, May 2010, $85
Muse, TD Garden, March 2010, $75
Tool, Verizon Wireless Arena, August 2009, $62
Metallica, TD Garden, January 2009, $95
Radiohead, Tweeter Center, August 2008, $73
Rush, Tweeter Center, June 2008, $82
R.E.M., Tweeter Center, June 2008, $90

I didn't list a depeche mode price and those prices ARE EXACT. I never said they were all comparable seating... PJ usually uses a flat rate... If you want to make this about COMPARABLE 10C SEATING thats a totally different argument filled with all sorts of nuances.

this is about how much it would cost me to see PJ vs ______
You can see just about anybody cheaper than you can see PJ these days. Not everyone needs VIP seating. My favorite concert ever was the Cure from the 400s at MSG and I'm sure that ticket was about $30 less than it would cost to see PJ at MSG in the 400s