you're crazy. i dont know why you keep bringing up this insane "incresed cost of doing business" crap. yeah, they've increased, no they havent increased that much. do you follow any other bands? it simply doesnt cost that much to put on a show as basic as PJ's. they charge because they can. not saying thats wrong but please stop pretending they are somehow forced into it.
Health insurance where I work doubled at the end of last year. The materials my business uses has seen an increase of 15% over the past year. Grow up. If you REALLY think they are trying to stick it to you every year they tour why the fuck are you spending time here? With your logic they obviously don't give a flying fuck about you. Why are you here if Pearl Jam are such jerks for increasing their ticket prices 10+ percent? Get lost!
I also believe it is more expensive to run a carbon neutral tour.
oh forget all about that shit. they blew that when they dragged all their crap to Minnesota to play 3 songs for a paycheck for Target. carbon neutral my ass.
you're crazy. i dont know why you keep bringing up this insane "incresed cost of doing business" crap. yeah, they've increased, no they havent increased that much. do you follow any other bands? it simply doesnt cost that much to put on a show as basic as PJ's. they charge because they can. not saying thats wrong but please stop pretending they are somehow forced into it.
Health insurance where I work doubled at the end of last year. The materials my business uses has seen an increase of 15% over the past year. Grow up. If you REALLY think they are trying to stick it to you every year they tour why the fuck are you spending time here? With your logic they obviously don't give a flying fuck about you. Why are you here if Pearl Jam are such jerks for increasing their ticket prices 10+ percent? Get lost!
i dont know if they are trying to stick it to me or not. but to say its because of increased cost is crazy. they are getting larger profits. whether you think thats good or bad is up to you, but its not cost thats driving this.
this isnt how human beings work. im sick of this kneejerk response from the positivity nazis.
when you have a problem, first you SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT, then, if nothing happens, THEN you move on.
you dont just quit the moment something goes wrong. you SAY SOMETHING.
shove your tiny violin up your ass.
The only thing that has gone wrong here is people failing to understand the simple business practice of passing on the increasing cost of operation to your customers.
you're crazy. i dont know why you keep bringing up this insane "incresed cost of doing business" crap. yeah, they've increased, no they havent increased that much. do you follow any other bands? it simply doesnt cost that much to put on a show as basic as PJ's. they charge because they can. not saying thats wrong but please stop pretending they are somehow forced into it.
you said it all right there, you are 100% right... this is not cost of living/inflation increase
the band i follow the most is Phish, hell they allow everyone to record their shows with real external mics and stands, etc have since day 1 so that article that was linked about the reason eddie says prices went up is BS... since Phish came back in '09 after being off since '04 they only raised their face ticket price by $3 to only $50 per ticket. that is really cheap, not to mention their NYE show in Miami last year cost me $60 face, which is amazingly cheap.
the least overheard of a tour recently has to be the the Eddie solo tour which were $82 each ticket (w 10c) if i recall.
sure i could not buy the tickets but i am anyway because i can afford it, i just dont see why they are so much money.
I also believe it is more expensive to run a carbon neutral tour.
oh forget all about that shit. they blew that when they dragged all their crap to Minnesota to play 3 songs for a paycheck for Target. carbon neutral my ass.
You are an very confused individual...
how so? how was that carbon neutral? i thought they only played the northeast because it was better since most of the population could get to shows by mass transit or some bullshit? all those excuses were blown out of the water when they flew everyone to Target Center. not that i give a rat's ass about carbon credit stuff anyway.
does PJ really try to do that anymore anyway? i thought that was just a fad or something. i know DMB got some bad press over it.
I also believe it is more expensive to run a carbon neutral tour.
oh forget all about that shit. they blew that when they dragged all their crap to Minnesota to play 3 songs for a paycheck for Target. carbon neutral my ass.
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Somehow... I don't think they took their entire road crew to that Target thing. More than likely... it was rented equipment except for maybe a few guitars.
And the one off sales convention (lothe it or not) is not like an entire road tour... but, I really don't believe I need to explain the differences, right?
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I also believe it is more expensive to run a carbon neutral tour.
oh forget all about that shit. they blew that when they dragged all their crap to Minnesota to play 3 songs for a paycheck for Target. carbon neutral my ass.
Thank you everyone who has posted in this thread. Seriously it was/is quite a laugh.
So this is what it has come to. One guy complains about the fact that ticket prices are too high, even though he still paid the price for said tickets. Some people then pile on the guy with the age old adage of: if you don't like then then don't do it. Other folks come to the guys defense saying he has a right to speak his mind. 10 pages later it is still the same arguments over and over.
3 things are for certain:
1. If the worst thing all of you folks can complain about in this life is the price of concert tickets, you're doing alright. Seriously.
2. Venting complaints on an internet message board will accomplish nothing. If you want to do something about a perceived injustice, really take action. It'll make you feel a lot better if you try to change things rather than complain about it
3. Somebody actually paying money to see a GooGoo Dolls concert is probably the funniest thing I'll read all day long. Sorry original poster, it had to be said.
PEARL JAM star EDDIE VEDDER fears he'll have to increase concert ticket prices after years of fighting to keep them low - because fans keep stealing his songs. The rocker was one of the leading voices against high ticket fees - and famously took on Ticketmaster in America - but now he feels downloading is killing music and he'll need to seek profits elsewhere. Vedder says, "A lot of people are getting your music without having to pay, and it's only $12. "I ordered eggs at a little restaurant in Seattle and it was $9.50. I was thinking, 'You can't spend two extra bucks for a record that you put your heart and soul into?' "I think the problem is to charge more for tickets, which is something we've always been abhorrent to do; either that or you're gonna have to start accepting sponsorships, or start selling your music to Viagra. "I'm not sure how we'll do it. I'm glad we gave money away when we did - when it came in from making records. We kind of spread it around and helped people in our community and abroad in different ways."
Ed and his $9.50 eggs lol
I work on Wall Street and I'd have to go out of my way to find a place where eggs cost that much
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Some of us don't eat at Egg McMuffins, like you do.
Yeah... an omlette or bacon and eggs breakfast will easily hit 10 bucks... unless you are a Wall Street hedge fund crimnal that's a poor tipper, too.
On my way into work I see a lot of eggs and coffee specials under $4 or $5... he didn't say bacon and eggs "breakfast" which would include other stuff. I'll maintain exactly what I said in the beginning. I work on Wall Street and i'd have to make an effort to find a place where I would walk in and order eggs for $9.50
Thank you everyone who has posted in this thread. Seriously it was/is quite a laugh.
So this is what it has come to. One guy complains about the fact that ticket prices are too high, even though he still paid the price for said tickets. Some people then pile on the guy with the age old adage of: if you don't like then then don't do it. Other folks come to the guys defense saying he has a right to speak his mind. 10 pages later it is still the same arguments over and over.
3 things are for certain:
1. If the worst thing all of you folks can complain about in this life is the price of concert tickets, you're doing alright. Seriously.
2. Venting complaints on an internet message board will accomplish nothing. If you want to do something about a perceived injustice, really take action. It'll make you feel a lot better if you try to change things rather than complain about it
3. Somebody actually paying money to see a GooGoo Dolls concert is probably the funniest thing I'll read all day long. Sorry original poster, it had to be said.
Fuck it dude, let's go bowling....
What I can't believe is that I actually scanned the thread struggling with an appropriate response, but this is better. C'mon everyone! Let's go knock pins down, drink beers, have fun and listen to some pirated PJ! Oops, I almost responded to why ticket prices are higher......
Oh yeah, now I'm hungry for eggs too. After bowling maybe?
The Phish example is perfect. They just played the garden for a flat rate face of $49.50. If Pearl Jam had the same ethical stance they had 10 years ago I'd bet they'd charge about that. Phish charging 49.50 pretty much ends the concept of Pearl Jam being a band that tries to keep it's ticket prices down for it's fans.
I also believe it is more expensive to run a carbon neutral tour.
LOL you people are too much
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So... what you are saying is... i'm wrong, carbon neutral tour are the same costs regular, non-carbon neutral tours... right?
If that's the case, then why doesn't everyone run carbon neutral tours?
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I said it before, but:
to put it in perspective, many lawyers and other professoinals get hundred of dollars an hour. The way I see it, if PJ is playing a 2 1/2 hour show, I am paying them $30/hr. That's five bucks per bandmate. Pretty damn cheap if you ask me.
This is apples and oranges on multiple levels. First, the lawyers who get paid hundreds of dollars an hour generally only take the cases of clients, mostly corporations but also the occasional wealthy individual, who can pay those rates. Even these highly paid lawyers also designate some of their time to offer their services pro bono (i.e., free) to less fortunate people who need representation. Pearl Jam does not offer pro bono tickets to fans who cannot afford $92 per ticket. And, yes, contrary to what others have suggested, $92 is still a decent amount of money these days. The average hourly wage for American workers is about $22 per hour.
Second, the high-powered lawyer also distributes his fees-- to his partners, associates, secretaries, paralegals, mail-room staff, etc.
Third, a lawyer receives a single fee from a single client when he or she works on a matter. Pearl Jam receives money from 20,000 people when it plays a venue like MSG.
Stop trying to rationalize it. Tickets are not cheap. Unfortunately, this means that more and more people are priced out of shows. By complaining about the prices, people hope they will encourage the band to reconsider its approach. The band will make its own business decisions, but its fans are its customers and it's totally appropriate for them to express their disapproval.
I can just see some of you reflexive defenders in Berlin in 1939 goose-stepping past me: "Come on, BF, go along! Go along!"
2. Venting complaints on an internet message board will accomplish nothing. If you want to do something about a perceived injustice, really take action. It'll make you feel a lot better if you try to change things rather than complain about it
Well, you're dead wrong about that. We've seen the band respond more than once to concerns raised here on its fan club message board. It happened this week after the MSG presale fiasco. It happened last fall after the ticket mixup in Seattle. In both instances, concrete actions were taken in response to the complaints to rectify the situation.
Why do people fault the band cause THEY cant afford it? Maybe it's YOUR fault you have a low paying job. You should go and post on your employers message board talking shit about they don't pay you enough to go to see Pearl Jam. It would make about as much sense as what you people are doing here.
My ability to afford it is not the issue, and I'm sure it's not the issue for many others who have expressed concern. Thankfully, I can afford to buy Pearl Jam tickets until I die, but an increasing number of other people can't afford it. For a lot of bands, that might not be a concern. Pearl Jam always seemed like it wasn't one of those bands. People are just pointing out that tension.
Prob the only show I'll go to that will cost this much in 2010 will be if the Eagles and Fleetwood Mac tour together... I don't even think Sting solo costs this much.
Top regular tcket prices for Stink are in the $150-160 range depending on venue, unless of course you want to be in the first 15 rows in which case you have to purchase his "VIP package" which is over $300 per ticket (varies again, but averages around $330)
As for the Eagles and Fleetwood Mac...please...the Eadles were the first band to charge over $100 for a rcok concert ticket on their "Hell Freezes Over" tour, which was what 15 years ago...since then they'v only gone higher, capped out around $250 last time, Mac is similar, and you can guarantee you won't see good seats for the 2 together for less than 2 bills face.
The $92.05 is not the face, its with all the fees, face is what $74.50...Sting's $159.50 ticket at Concord CA becomes $185.50...double PJ (and he adds no fees to the $334.50 for first 15 rows, what a saint).
On the last Aussie tour I paid over $140 per ticket. That is about $130 U.S
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you're crazy. i dont know why you keep bringing up this insane "incresed cost of doing business" crap. yeah, they've increased, no they havent increased that much. do you follow any other bands? it simply doesnt cost that much to put on a show as basic as PJ's. they charge because they can. not saying thats wrong but please stop pretending they are somehow forced into it.
Health insurance where I work doubled at the end of last year. The materials my business uses has seen an increase of 15% over the past year. Grow up. If you REALLY think they are trying to stick it to you every year they tour why the fuck are you spending time here? With your logic they obviously don't give a flying fuck about you. Why are you here if Pearl Jam are such jerks for increasing their ticket prices 10+ percent? Get lost!
i dont know if they are trying to stick it to me or not. but to say its because of increased cost is crazy. they are getting larger profits. whether you think thats good or bad is up to you, but its not cost thats driving this.
Thats 100 % true. Back when gas was going through the roof people were saying it was that. It is 100% not due to the cost of doing business
PJ at MSG will bring in $600,000 more than Phish... hmm...
I also believe it is more expensive to run a carbon neutral tour.
LOL you people are too much
...
So... what you are saying is... i'm wrong, carbon neutral tour are the same costs regular, non-carbon neutral tours... right?
If that's the case, then why doesn't everyone run carbon neutral tours?
I'm sure it does cost more, but I doubt PJ had to increase their prices so drastically to make it work for them
2. Venting complaints on an internet message board will accomplish nothing. If you want to do something about a perceived injustice, really take action. It'll make you feel a lot better if you try to change things rather than complain about it
Well, you're dead wrong about that. We've seen the band respond more than once to concerns raised here on its fan club message board. It happened this week after the MSG presale fiasco. It happened last fall after the ticket mixup in Seattle. In both instances, concrete actions were taken in response to the complaints to rectify the situation.
very good point. They are pretty responsive to this forum. Didn't the my city of ruins for haiti thing start here too?
Prob the only show I'll go to that will cost this much in 2010 will be if the Eagles and Fleetwood Mac tour together... I don't even think Sting solo costs this much.
Top regular tcket prices for Stink are in the $150-160 range depending on venue, unless of course you want to be in the first 15 rows in which case you have to purchase his "VIP package" which is over $300 per ticket (varies again, but averages around $330)
As for the Eagles and Fleetwood Mac...please...the Eadles were the first band to charge over $100 for a rcok concert ticket on their "Hell Freezes Over" tour, which was what 15 years ago...since then they'v only gone higher, capped out around $250 last time, Mac is similar, and you can guarantee you won't see good seats for the 2 together for less than 2 bills face.
The $92.05 is not the face, its with all the fees, face is what $74.50...Sting's $159.50 ticket at Concord CA becomes $185.50...double PJ (and he adds no fees to the $334.50 for first 15 rows, what a saint).
Face for MSG was about $75
You are only playing with the high end Sting ticket... Maybe that would be fair if everyone in the 10C were going to get a premium ticket. I have a feeling there will be plenty of 10 clubbers sitting in the 400s for 92.50. You can get crappy Sting tickets cheaper than that. I just saw that SPAC low end Sting for $72 face.
So once again I challenge you to find a band out there that's not a a spectacle act like a madonna that I can't see cheaper than Pearl Jam. Until that eagles/mac combo comes out with the cheapest seats being $90-$100 face you are going to have a hard time finding ANY band charging more than Pearl Jam for the WORST seats in the house...
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Health insurance where I work doubled at the end of last year. The materials my business uses has seen an increase of 15% over the past year. Grow up. If you REALLY think they are trying to stick it to you every year they tour why the fuck are you spending time here? With your logic they obviously don't give a flying fuck about you. Why are you here if Pearl Jam are such jerks for increasing their ticket prices 10+ percent? Get lost!
You are an very confused individual...
you said it all right there, you are 100% right... this is not cost of living/inflation increase
the band i follow the most is Phish, hell they allow everyone to record their shows with real external mics and stands, etc have since day 1 so that article that was linked about the reason eddie says prices went up is BS... since Phish came back in '09 after being off since '04 they only raised their face ticket price by $3 to only $50 per ticket. that is really cheap, not to mention their NYE show in Miami last year cost me $60 face, which is amazingly cheap.
the least overheard of a tour recently has to be the the Eddie solo tour which were $82 each ticket (w 10c) if i recall.
sure i could not buy the tickets but i am anyway because i can afford it, i just dont see why they are so much money.
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does PJ really try to do that anymore anyway? i thought that was just a fad or something. i know DMB got some bad press over it.
Somehow... I don't think they took their entire road crew to that Target thing. More than likely... it was rented equipment except for maybe a few guitars.
And the one off sales convention (lothe it or not) is not like an entire road tour... but, I really don't believe I need to explain the differences, right?
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So this is what it has come to. One guy complains about the fact that ticket prices are too high, even though he still paid the price for said tickets. Some people then pile on the guy with the age old adage of: if you don't like then then don't do it. Other folks come to the guys defense saying he has a right to speak his mind. 10 pages later it is still the same arguments over and over.
3 things are for certain:
1. If the worst thing all of you folks can complain about in this life is the price of concert tickets, you're doing alright. Seriously.
2. Venting complaints on an internet message board will accomplish nothing. If you want to do something about a perceived injustice, really take action. It'll make you feel a lot better if you try to change things rather than complain about it
3. Somebody actually paying money to see a GooGoo Dolls concert is probably the funniest thing I'll read all day long. Sorry original poster, it had to be said.
Fuck it dude, let's go bowling....
The cost of all the extras (security, stagehands, etc.) goes up.
On my way into work I see a lot of eggs and coffee specials under $4 or $5... he didn't say bacon and eggs "breakfast" which would include other stuff. I'll maintain exactly what I said in the beginning. I work on Wall Street and i'd have to make an effort to find a place where I would walk in and order eggs for $9.50
LOL you people are too much
Oh yeah, now I'm hungry for eggs too. After bowling maybe?
So... what you are saying is... i'm wrong, carbon neutral tour are the same costs regular, non-carbon neutral tours... right?
If that's the case, then why doesn't everyone run carbon neutral tours?
Hail, Hail!!!
This is apples and oranges on multiple levels. First, the lawyers who get paid hundreds of dollars an hour generally only take the cases of clients, mostly corporations but also the occasional wealthy individual, who can pay those rates. Even these highly paid lawyers also designate some of their time to offer their services pro bono (i.e., free) to less fortunate people who need representation. Pearl Jam does not offer pro bono tickets to fans who cannot afford $92 per ticket. And, yes, contrary to what others have suggested, $92 is still a decent amount of money these days. The average hourly wage for American workers is about $22 per hour.
Second, the high-powered lawyer also distributes his fees-- to his partners, associates, secretaries, paralegals, mail-room staff, etc.
Third, a lawyer receives a single fee from a single client when he or she works on a matter. Pearl Jam receives money from 20,000 people when it plays a venue like MSG.
Stop trying to rationalize it. Tickets are not cheap. Unfortunately, this means that more and more people are priced out of shows. By complaining about the prices, people hope they will encourage the band to reconsider its approach. The band will make its own business decisions, but its fans are its customers and it's totally appropriate for them to express their disapproval.
I can just see some of you reflexive defenders in Berlin in 1939 goose-stepping past me: "Come on, BF, go along! Go along!"
Well, you're dead wrong about that. We've seen the band respond more than once to concerns raised here on its fan club message board. It happened this week after the MSG presale fiasco. It happened last fall after the ticket mixup in Seattle. In both instances, concrete actions were taken in response to the complaints to rectify the situation.
My ability to afford it is not the issue, and I'm sure it's not the issue for many others who have expressed concern. Thankfully, I can afford to buy Pearl Jam tickets until I die, but an increasing number of other people can't afford it. For a lot of bands, that might not be a concern. Pearl Jam always seemed like it wasn't one of those bands. People are just pointing out that tension.
http://www.ticketmaster.com/search?tm_l ... ch&q=sting
Top regular tcket prices for Stink are in the $150-160 range depending on venue, unless of course you want to be in the first 15 rows in which case you have to purchase his "VIP package" which is over $300 per ticket (varies again, but averages around $330)
As for the Eagles and Fleetwood Mac...please...the Eadles were the first band to charge over $100 for a rcok concert ticket on their "Hell Freezes Over" tour, which was what 15 years ago...since then they'v only gone higher, capped out around $250 last time, Mac is similar, and you can guarantee you won't see good seats for the 2 together for less than 2 bills face.
The $92.05 is not the face, its with all the fees, face is what $74.50...Sting's $159.50 ticket at Concord CA becomes $185.50...double PJ (and he adds no fees to the $334.50 for first 15 rows, what a saint).
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Yes it is alot of money :(
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Just saw Phish is touring, and they're keeping their price at 50 a ticket.
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07 The National $20
09 John Doe and Exene $18
10 Ray Davies (The Kinks) $44
09 NIN/Jane's Addiction $38
09 Son Volt $32
09 AFI $41.50
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Thats 100 % true. Back when gas was going through the roof people were saying it was that. It is 100% not due to the cost of doing business
PJ at MSG will bring in $600,000 more than Phish... hmm...
I'm sure it does cost more, but I doubt PJ had to increase their prices so drastically to make it work for them
very good point. They are pretty responsive to this forum. Didn't the my city of ruins for haiti thing start here too?
Face for MSG was about $75
You are only playing with the high end Sting ticket... Maybe that would be fair if everyone in the 10C were going to get a premium ticket. I have a feeling there will be plenty of 10 clubbers sitting in the 400s for 92.50. You can get crappy Sting tickets cheaper than that. I just saw that SPAC low end Sting for $72 face.
So once again I challenge you to find a band out there that's not a a spectacle act like a madonna that I can't see cheaper than Pearl Jam. Until that eagles/mac combo comes out with the cheapest seats being $90-$100 face you are going to have a hard time finding ANY band charging more than Pearl Jam for the WORST seats in the house...
so too, apparently, are affordable concerts, real tours, and good studio albums