The official $92.05 is Too much Thread

sling

Jeanwah wrote:

sling wrote:

One word: Obama.

I know that I'm a lot less angry than I was during the Bush years! And I didn't have kids...
That doesn't mean I'm thrilled with everything going on in society, but it's a lot different than 2000-2008.

The guys grew up, but also, all good music/art reflects the culture of its time. The cultural paradigm shifted.

Nowadays if you want angry, you best be finding some Teabagger-created music!

Obama def. did it. But to anyone who thinks that "growing up" means becoming more conservative and commercial, like the band's become, has a lot to learn regarding what "growing up" means. It means something different to everyone, and can't be generalized into a neat little package. :roll:

I was wondering if anyone would comment about my saying "The guys grew up"... 'Cause how that sounds is not what I meant, but I was just writing fast... It was just shorthand for how people change & generally become less angry & more content as they get older, as lots of people have been talking about already on here. No need to get snippy! Jesus, people like to jump all over shit around here...

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

it took forty years to grow up? well ok.

lukin2006

What I find amazing is that so many people really believe they are not greedy. they are entertainers, they make a lot of money, they want to make a lot of money, they feel they deserve a lot of money. As long as people are willing to pay the higher prices, they will charge the higher prices. As for Ed whining about people downloading his music, maybe him and Lars from Mettalica can go bowling together. If he's discusing backspacer then get out and promote it with a tour that's proper, not 12 dates here or 12 dates there. Don't tell me in the digital download age you can't sell albums, maybe you just have to worker harder at it.

stranger34

lukin2006 wrote:

What I find amazing is that so many people really believe they are not greedy. they are entertainers, they make a lot of money, they want to make a lot of money, they feel they deserve a lot of money. As long as people are willing to pay the higher prices, they will charge the higher prices. As for Ed whining about people downloading his music, maybe him and Lars from Mettalica can go bowling together. If he's discusing backspacer then get out and promote it with a tour that's proper, not 12 dates here or 12 dates there. Don't tell me in the digital download age you can't sell albums, maybe you just have to worker harder at it.

ta effin da

ComeToTX

I wish we could all work less and less and make the same money, which I'm pretty sure is their goal.

For the record...I have a wife and a child and it has not changed my values, morals or ideals.

stranger34

the lame antics i was referencing earlier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a4ny1h-djs

it's like a caricature of Pearl Jam, spinning around like a goofball and then slamming the mic stand even those he's obviously not angry... but i guess that's what eddie vedder is supposed to do during blood? slam the mic stand...

to me this performance is borderline mockery of a great song.

UpSideDown

stranger34 wrote:

the lame antics i was referencing earlier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a4ny1h-djs

it's like a caricature of Pearl Jam, spinning around like a goofball and then slamming the mic stand even those he's obviously not angry... but i guess that's what eddie vedder is supposed to do during blood? slam the mic stand...

to me this performance is borderline mockery of a great song.

I think this is just making a big deal out of really nothing........

Im sure his mood changes from day to day, hr to hr just like all of us......

When they start doing dance routines on stage - then i will be worried.

sling

MrSmith wrote:

it took forty years to grow up? well ok.

I guess everybody's always still "growing up"! And then later you get back to the phase of being angry again! (but in a crotchety rage with the machine way against change instead of the youthful rage against the machine!)

sling

I think it's clear that stranger34 & MrSmith have really loved the band & that's why they're especially hurt & disappointed about some things now. Just out of curiosity: When was the last time each of you saw them live? Because before my show in September, I was getting down on them with the Target stuff & wasn't a big fan of Backspacer, but after that show I was back in love with them! Watching clips on YouTube or ACL/SNL isn't the same. You really need the effect of a whole concert.

I would really, really urge you guys to go see them when you can - even at the inflated price. Maybe all you need is some "make-up sex" with this "girlfriend" who you've been having a spat with over decisions she made that you disagree with. And that maybe she's changed in some ways, but not as much as you had thought - in that her basic spirit that you fell in love with is still intact.

When the band puts it out there in concert the way they do, you get swept up & don't care so much about the things you don't agree with. The overwhelming good blows away the bad. If you check all of the concert fanviews... there may be a lot of naysayers on here in general, but there are rarely any fanviews that are anything less than glowing!

When they start calling it in & play/sing with zero emotion & are just collecting a paycheck, that's when I call it quits...

And I don't think it's a bad thing to vent about stuff on here... because the band should know what their fans are thinking, positive or negative. Maybe somebody will let them know. I remember that before I joined this board I read in the mainstream media that "PJ had upset a lot of their hardcore fans with the Target deal" & some such stuff... So the word does get out there...

Thorns2010

Alright, as I was reading this thread, I found myself getting angrier and angrier at what was being said.

How anyone can not see that the band is making more money per show is hilarious to me.

And.....I keep hearing that 'Pearl Jam is the best live band around' Yeah? Well around where?? I thought you actually had to tour to be touted as a great live band.

Don't get me wrong, I love (or did, I'm fading away right now) this band. But, the fact that they haven't done a proper tour of the US since 2003, while plenty of other bands seem to be able too, funny how that is.

My problem with this change in attitude with the band is this. They are becoming an elitist band, who will only play where they know they will make money. Now sure, they will throw in a St. Louis or Kansas City from time to time, but, they are only playing to the markets they know are known sellers.

Why is that a problem? Because for soooooooooo long they acted like they gave a damn about the small guy, that they cared about getting their music out there, and now? Now it just comes across as a quick grab at money when they do play.

And for those that say tickets aren't overpriced? I present to you http://www.westegg.com/inflation/

Using the 2003 shows I saw, for $80 a PAIR come to a total of $93.09, which last time I checked $150 a pair is a 63% increase when you factor inflation.

But, aside from all of that, the thing that really grinds my gears (thanks Peter!) is that the band has said NOTHING to us about what is going on. They just go and charge us, with no explanation, and that is what is annoying.

And yeah, sure, they don't make as much money on album sales as they used to, but, Stone even said they got $5 a disc from Target, and that Target ordered 1 million copies of Backspacer. The last time Pearl Jam made that much money on an album was Vitalogy, maybe No Code, I don't remember how much that sold.

So don't tell me they need to charge more to make up for lost revenue from album sales, because that just ain't true.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

sling wrote:

MrSmith wrote:

it took forty years to grow up? well ok.

I guess everybody's always still "growing up"! And then later you get back to the phase of being angry again! (but in a crotchety rage with the machine way against change instead of the youthful rage against the machine!)

i think i skipped the mellow phase and jumped straight to crotchety old man rage.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

sling wrote:

I think it's clear that stranger34 & MrSmith have really loved the band & that's why they're especially hurt & disappointed about some things now. Just out of curiosity: When was the last time each of you saw them live? Because before my show in September, I was getting down on them with the Target stuff & wasn't a big fan of Backspacer, but after that show I was back in love with them! Watching clips on YouTube or ACL/SNL isn't the same. You really need the effect of a whole concert.

I would really, really urge you guys to go see them when you can - even at the inflated price. Maybe all you need is some "make-up sex" with this "girlfriend" who you've been having a spat with over decisions she made that you disagree with. And that maybe she's changed in some ways, but not as much as you had thought - in that her basic spirit that you fell in love with is still intact.

When the band puts it out there in concert the way they do, you get swept up & don't care so much about the things you don't agree with. The overwhelming good blows away the bad. If you check all of the concert fanviews... there may be a lot of naysayers on here in general, but there are rarely any fanviews that are anything less than glowing!

When they start calling it in & play/sing with zero emotion & are just collecting a paycheck, that's when I call it quits...

And I don't think it's a bad thing to vent about stuff on here... because the band should know what their fans are thinking, positive or negative. Maybe somebody will let them know. I remember that before I joined this board I read in the mainstream media that "PJ had upset a lot of their hardcore fans with the Target deal" & some such stuff... So the word does get out there...

i dont think they are bad now at all. the last two shows i saw wereACL and Roo and they were great. i just wouldnt pay 90 to sit on the top deck to see them. but since they dont really tour the US anymore really, it doesnt matter what i think anyway.

they just cant play Not FOr You now. they dont have the rage for it

DissidentDon

Is $92.05 too much? Yes. Will I pay it if they ever come back to Florida? Of course. They are my favorite band and they put on a damn good show. What people are getting worked up about is that they are now one of the most expensive bands from the last 20 years to see, not by much, but they are. Which is a change from what they used to be.

I don't think anyone is saying they aren't worth it but that doesn't change the fact they cost a good amount to see. They biggest thing that bothers me anymore is the way they announce their shows. I can understand that they don't want to tour as extensively as they have in the past. They are getting older and I can respect that but you could still give fans a little more notice as to where you are going and when you might be there so those without as much disposable income can better prepare.

Not just announce 10 shows at a time that go on sale a week later. Then you have people wondering if their only chance to see them will be to drop a couple hundred dollars on tickets and plan to get a hotel room a few states over in 2 months. Not knowing if there will be any closer shows this tour. I'm sure a lot of you do have the income to hop on a plane and see them wherever over the weekend but a lot of us don't. The people who say if you don't just pay whatever it costs or live up north then you aren't a true fan are just ignorant as well as snobs. Not everyone has as much money to spend as you or lives somewhere near Boston, NY, LA, Philly or Seattle.

I just kind of feel left out in the cold being fan who doesn't make a lot of money. I just spent 140 on 2 tickets to Kings of Leon after I found out that Pearl Jam wasn't coming anytime soon but I wish I had the opportunity to spend 45 more to see them. At least I knew the KoL tickets were going on sale well in advance and now I have 6 months to plan my hour and a half drive to Tampa. I'm sure those of you who think that this band can do no wrong will interpret this as bitching and maybe it is. But I think I have a right to. They are still my favorite band and will probably always will be. I don't feel they owe me anything but I don't owe them either

breath123

stranger34 wrote:

the lame antics i was referencing earlier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a4ny1h-djs

it's like a caricature of Pearl Jam, spinning around like a goofball and then slamming the mic stand even those he's obviously not angry... but i guess that's what eddie vedder is supposed to do during blood? slam the mic stand...

to me this performance is borderline mockery of a great song.

christ! now we have to hate "blood"?

fuck this. this is what they feel their work is worth. pay it or don't. whatever!

then please, for the love of Jesus Christ, our immortal savior....SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

stranger34

sling wrote:

I think it's clear that stranger34 & MrSmith have really loved the band & that's why they're especially hurt & disappointed about some things now. Just out of curiosity: When was the last time each of you saw them live? Because before my show in September, I was getting down on them with the Target stuff & wasn't a big fan of Backspacer, but after that show I was back in love with them! Watching clips on YouTube or ACL/SNL isn't the same. You really need the effect of a whole concert.

I would really, really urge you guys to go see them when you can - even at the inflated price. Maybe all you need is some "make-up sex" with this "girlfriend" who you've been having a spat with over decisions she made that you disagree with. And that maybe she's changed in some ways, but not as much as you had thought - in that her basic spirit that you fell in love with is still intact.

When the band puts it out there in concert the way they do, you get swept up & don't care so much about the things you don't agree with. The overwhelming good blows away the bad. If you check all of the concert fanviews... there may be a lot of naysayers on here in general, but there are rarely any fanviews that are anything less than glowing!

When they start calling it in & play/sing with zero emotion & are just collecting a paycheck, that's when I call it quits...

And I don't think it's a bad thing to vent about stuff on here... because the band should know what their fans are thinking, positive or negative. Maybe somebody will let them know. I remember that before I joined this board I read in the mainstream media that "PJ had upset a lot of their hardcore fans with the Target deal" & some such stuff... So the word does get out there...

Good post. I saw them Philly night 2 in 09 and had a blast. You're right though, this is a good forum for getting pov's out there, and even though I had a great time at a show that doesn't mean I don't have some very strong reservations about the current state of the band.

vedder_soup

stranger34 wrote:

the lame antics i was referencing earlier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a4ny1h-djs

it's like a caricature of Pearl Jam, spinning around like a goofball and then slamming the mic stand even those he's obviously not angry... but i guess that's what eddie vedder is supposed to do during blood? slam the mic stand...

to me this performance is borderline mockery of a great song.

that is a particually poor version of that song, and it is rare to see it like that.
everybody has their off nights

hopethatuchoke

breath123 wrote:

stranger34 wrote:

the lame antics i was referencing earlier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a4ny1h-djs

it's like a caricature of Pearl Jam, spinning around like a goofball and then slamming the mic stand even those he's obviously not angry... but i guess that's what eddie vedder is supposed to do during blood? slam the mic stand...

to me this performance is borderline mockery of a great song.

christ! now we have to hate "blood"?

fuck this. this is what they feel their work is worth. pay it or don't. whatever!

then please, for the love of Jesus Christ, our immortal savior....SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

This thread is for people who don't agree with the prices. The title clearly says that the price is too much and you had the choice not to post in it. Take your own advice.

dunkman

hopethatuchoke wrote:

breath123 wrote:

christ! now we have to hate "blood"?

fuck this. this is what they feel their work is worth. pay it or don't. whatever!

then please, for the love of Jesus Christ, our immortal savior....SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

This thread is for people who don't agree with the prices. The title clearly says that the price is too much and you had the choice not to post in it. Take your own advice.

what a genuinely brilliant retort... i love it.

i wish i had used it much earlier with all those sheeple who were saying the same as breath123.... which by the way is the most original username i've ever come across.

BF25394

breath123 wrote:

stranger34 wrote:

the lame antics i was referencing earlier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a4ny1h-djs

it's like a caricature of Pearl Jam, spinning around like a goofball and then slamming the mic stand even those he's obviously not angry... but i guess that's what eddie vedder is supposed to do during blood? slam the mic stand...

to me this performance is borderline mockery of a great song.

christ! now we have to hate "blood"?

fuck this. this is what they feel their work is worth. pay it or don't. whatever!

then please, for the love of Jesus Christ, our immortal savior....SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

Is this a reference to Tim Tebow?

OceansMagnet

Someone should make t-shirts or an unauthorised poster with a caricature of Ed sitting in the rafters of a stadium with a bloody nose that drips a stain in the form of $92.05