I think people in that thread aren't really complaining about the ticket prices. I think they're just annoyed by the people who blindly defend PJ even though they've increased their ticket prices by more than 100% over the past 7 years. My "bitching" in that thread hasn't been in the vein of "I can't believe that PJ charges this much." My posts have been in the vein of "how can you people NOT see that the band has become greedy?"
Are you implying it's actually a real thread? They are hard to come by between all the "please play song X in city Z"-threads
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I find it interesting that people like you make these observations yet you have absolutely no idea what the venues are charging the band to rent the facility, no idea what the band pays for travel/hotel/food for its crew now versus then, etc.
want lower ticket prices? then don't buy them....increase the supply and the price goes down
now shut up
What's with these two posts saying to "shut up"? Why are you so bent out of shape over this? You say "want lower ticket prices? then don't buy them." And while that's a good point, I say that if you can't handle people voicing their opinions on a message board, you probably should get out of here.
I think people in that thread aren't really complaining about the ticket prices. I think they're just annoyed by the people who blindly defend PJ even though they've increased their ticket prices by more than 100% over the past 7 years. My "bitching" in that thread hasn't been in the vein of "I can't believe that PJ charges this much." My posts have been in the vein of "how can you people NOT see that the band has become greedy?"
Are you implying it's actually a real thread? They are hard to come by between all the "please play song X in city Z"-threads
There ticket prices are still pretty cheap compared to U2,The Police, Red hot Chili Peppers and just about everybody else who plays Arenas
PJ tickets are more expensive than the Chili Peppers so you're mistaken on that one. And enough with comparing PJ's ticket prices to classic rock bands. Acts like U2, Paul McCartney, The Police, and The Who charge more than everyone and we just have to deal with it. When you compare PJ to their peers like Radiohead, Tool, and Green Day, you'll see that PJ charges more than they really should.
I just can't believe the people that come on here and bitch about things they don't have all the facts about. They create this straw man that
a. ticket prices have gone up more than inflation
therefore
b. pearl jam has sold out and is ripping us off
no hard facts, no insight, no figures to go off of
whatever....have at it
I don't see how on earth you could say that tickets have gone up because of inflation. Tickets were like $40 in 2003 and have increased over 100% in the past 7 years. That's not inflation.
I post in this thread in crusade against people like you....not against Pearl Jam and their ticket prices. I have more than enough money so the PJ ticket prices don't bother me. But I just can't stand you people who are blindly defend the band. You really are more annoying that President Bush supporters. At least they knew Bush was always wrong but stood by him because he was "their guy." You seem ready to fill your own head with bullshit to convince yourself that PJ is what you want them to be.
Don't get me wrong, you get your money's worth at a PJ show. That's the thing: they finally figured out how great they are and how much they could get away with charging. And while that's fine.....don't talk like it's anything other than that.
Can we draft some sort of a sheep list so I can put them all on block? I'm tired of reading their nauseating excuses. Next they will be blaming the earthquake in haiti or the fact that Boner from Growing Pains is dead.
I would think that PJ probably pays its support people better than other bands. It just seems like that's what they'd do. And that has to be covered. It costs a lot to transport and house everyone they need along with them. How many support people do they employ in terms of instrument/lighting/sound/computer tech? Those aren't people that get (or should get) minimum wage. PJ is past the stage of traveling in a van, sleeping under or in it, hauling their own equipment, never getting a shower or enough to eat.
I don't see how any of us can determine what's the right price, since we don't know the details of how their business runs. Economics dictates that if the price was too high, people wouldn't be buying and they might find a way to drop their price or have to not go out at all, if people couldn't afford to pay what it takes to run the operation.
They put on an excellent show of amazing music. Its worth paying for. How many other bands have you seen? Pearl Jam is 1st tier in terms of the quality of their show and sound. I've seen plenty of other bands that while they sound decent on their album, their kind of meh when it comes to live.
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I just can't believe the people that come on here and bitch about things they don't have all the facts about. They create this straw man that
a. ticket prices have gone up more than inflation
therefore
b. pearl jam has sold out and is ripping us off
no hard facts, no insight, no figures to go off of
whatever....have at it
I don't see how on earth you could say that tickets have gone up because of inflation. Tickets were like $40 in 2003 and have increased over 100% in the past 7 years. That's not inflation.
I post in this thread in crusade against people like you....not against Pearl Jam and their ticket prices. I have more than enough money so the PJ ticket prices don't bother me. But I just can't stand you people who are blindly defend the band. You really are more annoying that President Bush supporters. At least they knew Bush was always wrong but stood by him because he was "their guy." You seem ready to fill your own head with bullshit to convince yourself that PJ is what you want them to be.
Don't get me wrong, you get your money's worth at a PJ show. That's the thing: they finally figured out how great they are and how much they could get away with charging. And while that's fine.....don't talk like it's anything other than that.
I said "more than" inflation
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I would think that PJ probably pays its support people better than other bands. It just seems like that's what they'd do. And that has to be covered. It costs a lot to transport and house everyone they need along with them. How many support people do they employ in terms of instrument/lighting/sound/computer tech? Those aren't people that get (or should get) minimum wage. PJ is past the stage of traveling in a van, sleeping under or in it, hauling their own equipment, never getting a shower or enough to eat.
I don't see how any of us can determine what's the right price, since we don't know the details of how their business runs. Economics dictates that if the price was too high, people wouldn't be buying and they might find a way to drop their price or have to not go out at all, if people couldn't afford to pay what it takes to run the operation.
They put on an excellent show of amazing music. Its worth paying for. How many other bands have you seen? Pearl Jam is 1st tier in terms of the quality of their show and sound. I've seen plenty of other bands that while they sound decent on their album, their kind of meh when it comes to live.
exactly...
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I just can't believe the people that come on here and bitch about things they don't have all the facts about. They create this straw man that
a. ticket prices have gone up more than inflation
therefore
b. pearl jam has sold out and is ripping us off
no hard facts, no insight, no figures to go off of
whatever....have at it
I don't see how on earth you could say that tickets have gone up because of inflation. Tickets were like $40 in 2003 and have increased over 100% in the past 7 years. That's not inflation.
I post in this thread in crusade against people like you....not against Pearl Jam and their ticket prices. I have more than enough money so the PJ ticket prices don't bother me. But I just can't stand you people who are blindly defend the band. You really are more annoying that President Bush supporters. At least they knew Bush was always wrong but stood by him because he was "their guy." You seem ready to fill your own head with bullshit to convince yourself that PJ is what you want them to be.
Don't get me wrong, you get your money's worth at a PJ show. That's the thing: they finally figured out how great they are and how much they could get away with charging. And while that's fine.....don't talk like it's anything other than that.
I said "more than" inflation
well than doesn't that contradict your earlier statements?
When you compare PJ to their peers like Radiohead, Tool, and Green Day, you'll see that PJ charges more than they really should.
At their upcoming shows in Toronto:
Them Crooked Vultures - $60.00 top ticket
Green Day - $90.00 top ticket
Dave Mattthews - $75.00 top ticket
Kings of Leon - $62.00 top ticket
NickelBack - $90.00
And these are all without service charges. If you try to pull a pair for Nickelback they come to $213.00 for the pair and they are behind the stage limited view.
For Pearl Jam in Buffalo, a pair of the best seats available for $150.00 all-in.
I think most people's problem is that we used to be able to point to Pearl Jam as cheap. They were $30-$50 when other bands were $50-70. Now they are more in line with what their peers charge; but they are not on the high end of the current market.
They have obviously gone up more than inflation....that's a fact
But the unknown is "what factor have their costs increased?" That part we don't know....that's my argument. Obviously gasoline has gone up much more than inflation and that is a big cost.
Until you see a balance sheet/income statement/statement of cash flows/ for Pearl Jam Inc we aren't going to have all the facts.
But you keep on about how they are ripping us off if that makes you feel better....please continue....go on with the chlorophyll
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Ledbetterman... I'm not sure where you are coming from. You seem to now be suggesting that you have a problem with fans accepting what has become reality. That reality is as follows:
1. Pearl Jam charges more than what they used to for tickets to their shows.
2. They are not the cheapest show, but are not the most expensive either. They seem to be in the middle somewhere $10 cheaper than some... $15 more expensive than others... etc.
3. Nobody posting on this forum actually can profess to know what profit margins are for any band.
4. Despite the 'dramatic' increase in ticket prices... Pearl Jam is still selling tickets- people obviously don't mind too much!
5. Pearl Jam could sell tickets for more, but seemed to have settled on what can be considered fair market value.
6. The intial thread started because people wished the tickets were lower in price and have offered several derogatory reasons for the increase.
7. Some people suggest that the band has sold out and is gouging its fan base- but are still going to the shows.
8. Other people suggest that the band has earned the right to charge a reasonable price for shows.
'Greed' is a strong word, Ledbetterman. This band earns their money. I wouldn't expect anyone to do their job cheaply just because they could still make it if they did. A good surgeon should be paid like one (does a surgeon charging a ton for heart surgery mean they do not care for their patient?). So should a good carpenter, a good athlete, or a good musician.
No, I am not a sheep. Spin the black circle is a shitty tune and Binaural is their worst album- I never play it. For the 2nd time, I am done with this neverending debate. Have at me if you wish.
Ledbetterman... I'm not sure where you are coming from. You seem to now be suggesting that you have a problem with fans accepting what has become reality. That reality is as follows:
1. Pearl Jam charges more than what they used to for tickets to their shows.
2. They are not the cheapest show, but are not the most expensive either. They seem to be in the middle somewhere $10 cheaper than some... $15 more expensive than others... etc.
3. Nobody posting on this forum actually can profess to know what profit margins are for any band.
4. Despite the 'dramatic' increase in ticket prices... Pearl Jam is still selling tickets- people obviously don't mind too much!
5. Pearl Jam could sell tickets for more, but seemed to have settled on what can be considered fair market value.
6. The intial thread started because people wished the tickets were lower in price and have offered several derogatory reasons for the increase.
7. Some people suggest that the band has sold out and is gouging its fan base- but are still going to the shows.
8. Other people suggest that the band has earned the right to charge a reasonable price for shows.
'Greed' is a strong word, Ledbetterman. This band earns their money. I wouldn't expect anyone to do their job cheaply just because they could still make it if they did. A good surgeon should be paid like one (does a surgeon charging a ton for heart surgery mean they do not care for their patient?). So should a good carpenter, a good athlete, or a good musician.
No, I am not a sheep. Spin the black circle is a shitty tune and Binaural is their worst album- I never play it. For the 2nd time, I am done with this neverending debate. Have at me if you wish.
STBC kicks ass, so does Binaural
I bet you have really bad breath
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I paid $37 to see My Morning Jacket in a couple weeks. Fourth row. In the South no less. Now that's a great value and beats paying $92 to see PJ in the worst seats in the house.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
Ledbetterman... I'm not sure where you are coming from. You seem to now be suggesting that you have a problem with fans accepting what has become reality. That reality is as follows:
1. Pearl Jam charges more than what they used to for tickets to their shows.
2. They are not the cheapest show, but are not the most expensive either. They seem to be in the middle somewhere $10 cheaper than some... $15 more expensive than others... etc.
3. Nobody posting on this forum actually can profess to know what profit margins are for any band.
4. Despite the 'dramatic' increase in ticket prices... Pearl Jam is still selling tickets- people obviously don't mind too much!
5. Pearl Jam could sell tickets for more, but seemed to have settled on what can be considered fair market value.
6. The intial thread started because people wished the tickets were lower in price and have offered several derogatory reasons for the increase.
7. Some people suggest that the band has sold out and is gouging its fan base- but are still going to the shows.
8. Other people suggest that the band has earned the right to charge a reasonable price for shows.
'Greed' is a strong word, Ledbetterman. This band earns their money. I wouldn't expect anyone to do their job cheaply just because they could still make it if they did. A good surgeon should be paid like one (does a surgeon charging a ton for heart surgery mean they do not care for their patient?). So should a good carpenter, a good athlete, or a good musician.
No, I am not a sheep. Spin the black circle is a shitty tune and Binaural is their worst album- I never play it. For the 2nd time, I am done with this neverending debate. Have at me if you wish.
Well for starters, Spin the Black Circle rules.
Anyway, I suppose we could substitute the word "greed" for the phrase "doing anything possible to maximize their profit margin."
They have obviously gone up more than inflation....that's a fact
But the unknown is "what factor have their costs increased?" That part we don't know....that's my argument. Obviously gasoline has gone up much more than inflation and that is a big cost.
Until you see a balance sheet/income statement/statement of cash flows/ for Pearl Jam Inc we aren't going to have all the facts.
But you keep on about how they are ripping us off if that makes you feel better....please continue....go on with the chlorophyll
Gern Blansten, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
I didn't say they're ripping anyone off. It's not like you NEED Pearl Jam tickets like you need water and food. But whereas you wonder "what factor have their costs increased", I think it's simply because they want more money in their pockets...and that's fine. I can afford it so it's not big deal to me. But you keep on about how the band has all these expenses if that makes you feel better......please continue.
Ledbetterman... I'm not sure where you are coming from. You seem to now be suggesting that you have a problem with fans accepting what has become reality. That reality is as follows:
3. Nobody posting on this forum actually can profess to know what profit margins are for any band.
5. Pearl Jam could sell tickets for more, but seemed to have settled on what can be considered fair market value.
No, I am not a sheep. Spin the black circle is a shitty tune and Binaural is their worst album- I never play it. For the 2nd time, I am done with this neverending debate. Have at me if you wish.
You can't have both point 3 and 5 in the same argument. If you can't know what profit margins are (we don't), you can't know how many tickets sell if they raise ticket prices another $10-$15. I would bet in NY they'd still sell out, but everywhere else I'd bet attendance would be down.
And, STBC is a great song and anyone who thinks Binaural is their worst album is absolutely insane!
I just can't believe the people that come on here and bitch about things they don't have all the facts about. They create this straw man that
a. ticket prices have gone up more than inflation
therefore
b. pearl jam has sold out and is ripping us off
no hard facts, no insight, no figures to go off of
whatever....have at it
This is true to a point - no one knows the exact amount that they pay for venues/equipment/lodging/etc. At least no one here.
BUT... we DO know that almost all 'normal' costs have not gone up much more than inflation. Food hasnt... lodging/airfare hasn't. So what we DO know would indicate that the ticket prices have gone up to INCREASE profits.
And... on the other hand. All of the people who are attacking those wondering why tickets have gone up so much are attacking with NO HARD FACTS. Weird, right?
So its OK for those who are in the 'PJ should charge what they want' crowd to throw around BS facts, but its not OK for those who thinks tickets are too expensive to make their own assumptions? You keep saying shut up but you have no more facts than anyone else.
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want lower ticket prices? then don't buy them....increase the supply and the price goes down
now shut up
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Are you implying it's actually a real thread? They are hard to come by between all the "please play song X in city Z"-threads
why now u dont bitching??
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What's with these two posts saying to "shut up"? Why are you so bent out of shape over this? You say "want lower ticket prices? then don't buy them." And while that's a good point, I say that if you can't handle people voicing their opinions on a message board, you probably should get out of here.
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That's what I'm implying.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
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PJ tickets are more expensive than the Chili Peppers so you're mistaken on that one. And enough with comparing PJ's ticket prices to classic rock bands. Acts like U2, Paul McCartney, The Police, and The Who charge more than everyone and we just have to deal with it. When you compare PJ to their peers like Radiohead, Tool, and Green Day, you'll see that PJ charges more than they really should.
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I just can't believe the people that come on here and bitch about things they don't have all the facts about. They create this straw man that
a. ticket prices have gone up more than inflation
therefore
b. pearl jam has sold out and is ripping us off
no hard facts, no insight, no figures to go off of
whatever....have at it
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
PJ's prices are worth it to me....I'm glad they don't charge more because I would pay it
and guess what....THEY KNOW THAT AND THEY KEEP THE PRICES DOWN ANYWAY
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2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
I don't see how on earth you could say that tickets have gone up because of inflation. Tickets were like $40 in 2003 and have increased over 100% in the past 7 years. That's not inflation.
I post in this thread in crusade against people like you....not against Pearl Jam and their ticket prices. I have more than enough money so the PJ ticket prices don't bother me. But I just can't stand you people who are blindly defend the band. You really are more annoying that President Bush supporters. At least they knew Bush was always wrong but stood by him because he was "their guy." You seem ready to fill your own head with bullshit to convince yourself that PJ is what you want them to be.
Don't get me wrong, you get your money's worth at a PJ show. That's the thing: they finally figured out how great they are and how much they could get away with charging. And while that's fine.....don't talk like it's anything other than that.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
I don't see how any of us can determine what's the right price, since we don't know the details of how their business runs. Economics dictates that if the price was too high, people wouldn't be buying and they might find a way to drop their price or have to not go out at all, if people couldn't afford to pay what it takes to run the operation.
They put on an excellent show of amazing music. Its worth paying for. How many other bands have you seen? Pearl Jam is 1st tier in terms of the quality of their show and sound. I've seen plenty of other bands that while they sound decent on their album, their kind of meh when it comes to live.
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I said "more than" inflation
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
exactly...
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
well than doesn't that contradict your earlier statements?
but really....who cares?
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I agree.
If tickets were $130, I'd still go.
At their upcoming shows in Toronto:
Them Crooked Vultures - $60.00 top ticket
Green Day - $90.00 top ticket
Dave Mattthews - $75.00 top ticket
Kings of Leon - $62.00 top ticket
NickelBack - $90.00
And these are all without service charges. If you try to pull a pair for Nickelback they come to $213.00 for the pair and they are behind the stage limited view.
For Pearl Jam in Buffalo, a pair of the best seats available for $150.00 all-in.
I think most people's problem is that we used to be able to point to Pearl Jam as cheap. They were $30-$50 when other bands were $50-70. Now they are more in line with what their peers charge; but they are not on the high end of the current market.
They have obviously gone up more than inflation....that's a fact
But the unknown is "what factor have their costs increased?" That part we don't know....that's my argument. Obviously gasoline has gone up much more than inflation and that is a big cost.
Until you see a balance sheet/income statement/statement of cash flows/ for Pearl Jam Inc we aren't going to have all the facts.
But you keep on about how they are ripping us off if that makes you feel better....please continue....go on with the chlorophyll
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
1. Pearl Jam charges more than what they used to for tickets to their shows.
2. They are not the cheapest show, but are not the most expensive either. They seem to be in the middle somewhere $10 cheaper than some... $15 more expensive than others... etc.
3. Nobody posting on this forum actually can profess to know what profit margins are for any band.
4. Despite the 'dramatic' increase in ticket prices... Pearl Jam is still selling tickets- people obviously don't mind too much!
5. Pearl Jam could sell tickets for more, but seemed to have settled on what can be considered fair market value.
6. The intial thread started because people wished the tickets were lower in price and have offered several derogatory reasons for the increase.
7. Some people suggest that the band has sold out and is gouging its fan base- but are still going to the shows.
8. Other people suggest that the band has earned the right to charge a reasonable price for shows.
'Greed' is a strong word, Ledbetterman. This band earns their money. I wouldn't expect anyone to do their job cheaply just because they could still make it if they did. A good surgeon should be paid like one (does a surgeon charging a ton for heart surgery mean they do not care for their patient?). So should a good carpenter, a good athlete, or a good musician.
No, I am not a sheep. Spin the black circle is a shitty tune and Binaural is their worst album- I never play it. For the 2nd time, I am done with this neverending debate. Have at me if you wish.
STBC kicks ass, so does Binaural
I bet you have really bad breath
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Well for starters, Spin the Black Circle rules.
Anyway, I suppose we could substitute the word "greed" for the phrase "doing anything possible to maximize their profit margin."
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
Gern Blansten, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
I didn't say they're ripping anyone off. It's not like you NEED Pearl Jam tickets like you need water and food. But whereas you wonder "what factor have their costs increased", I think it's simply because they want more money in their pockets...and that's fine. I can afford it so it's not big deal to me. But you keep on about how the band has all these expenses if that makes you feel better......please continue.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
oh and the seated tickets are 1st level.
eV: 8/4/08, 8/5/08, 6/21/11
SG: 10/4/08<-- MET STONE!!!
And, STBC is a great song and anyone who thinks Binaural is their worst album is absolutely insane!
BTW- now we have 2 threads that need to die...
BUT... we DO know that almost all 'normal' costs have not gone up much more than inflation. Food hasnt... lodging/airfare hasn't. So what we DO know would indicate that the ticket prices have gone up to INCREASE profits.
And... on the other hand. All of the people who are attacking those wondering why tickets have gone up so much are attacking with NO HARD FACTS. Weird, right?
So its OK for those who are in the 'PJ should charge what they want' crowd to throw around BS facts, but its not OK for those who thinks tickets are too expensive to make their own assumptions? You keep saying shut up but you have no more facts than anyone else.
KILL THESE THREADS!
I'm not saying whether you are right or wrong
I personally don't care because I would pay more to see PJ then they are charging so have at it.
We know for a fact fuel has increased and I highly doubt they fly from St Louis to Columbus to Noblesville, etc.
Health care costs have gone through the roof and I would hope they treat their employees pretty good and pick up the tab there.
We simply don't know.
But go ahead and bitch all you want.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana