The official $92.05 is Too much Thread

ComeToTX

slightofjeff wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

we're not talking about '95 though. we're talking about 2003.

Why are we talking about 2003? Pearl Jam made their stand against high ticket prices in the early 90s ... not the early 00s.

2003 is irrelevant to that discussion.

but tickets have inflated at a huge rate since 2003, when they were affordable to everyone. they were still doing thier best to keep prices down in 2003 so it's not an acient issue.

jammingwhileIcan

A loss of values is a sad thing to see in a band. Let's hope they don't become as bad as the Who did in the 80's and on. Damn it PJ, you've lost your morals after all these years.

cincybearcat

slightofjeff wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Can someone please remind me when Tom Petty, Lady Gaga, New Kids on the block, Iron Maiden, or any of these other bands use to publicly state a need to keep ticket prices down?

Have any of them ever gotten on top of their high horse and berated other bands for charging so much?

If they have never done that, then none of them compare to Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam put themselves out there through their actions and words in the past and now they are silent as they change their actions.

If you hate something, don't you do it too

When does the statute of limitations run out on the whole Ticketmaster thing? Or if you believe one thing in 1995, you have to believe the same thing for the rest of your life?

You should see all the dumbass shit I supported in 1995. People grow up. They get less strident. Their values change.

So what? Just think about all the money these guys saved you back in the day and be happy.

And that's fine. But it is a shift and people here refuse to see the reality of the shift.

People can change their minds about things, but don't pretend that it is indeed a change.

cincybearcat

coaljam wrote:

A loss of values is a sad thing to see in a band. Let's hope they don't become as bad as the Who did in the 80's and on. Damn it PJ, you've lost your morals after all these years.

The fact is they are a different band. It's easy to see by their actions. That's fine, they can do what they want. But why can't people here just admit it and then move on? The band no longer cares about keeping ticket prices down. They no longer care if their music is used on TV shows. They no longer think doing shows for corporate sponsers is a bad thing. It's been some pretty significant change in the last 7 years for sure.

ComeToTX

cincybearcat wrote:

coaljam wrote:

A loss of values is a sad thing to see in a band. Let's hope they don't become as bad as the Who did in the 80's and on. Damn it PJ, you've lost your morals after all these years.

The fact is they are a different band. It's easy to see by their actions. That's fine, they can do what they want. But why can't people here just admit it and then move on? The band no longer cares about keeping ticket prices down. They no longer care if their music is used on TV shows. They no longer think doing shows for corporate sponsers is a bad thing. It's been some pretty significant change in the last 7 years for sure.

but haven't you heard? their families are starving!

jammingwhileIcan

cincybearcat wrote:

coaljam wrote:

A loss of values is a sad thing to see in a band. Let's hope they don't become as bad as the Who did in the 80's and on. Damn it PJ, you've lost your morals after all these years.

The fact is they are a different band. It's easy to see by their actions. That's fine, they can do what they want. But why can't people here just admit it and then move on? The band no longer cares about keeping ticket prices down. They no longer care if their music is used on TV shows. They no longer think doing shows for corporate sponsers is a bad thing. It's been some pretty significant change in the last 7 years for sure.

People on the board have trouble admiting it. Others, including myself, have trouble moving on. Their values and morals are intertwined with their music/lyrics. This change in band values has changed the way the music effects me as I no longer think I would be able to relate to anyone in the band. I know people disagree and say music is music, but I don't believe you can seperate the art from the artist.

stranger34

coaljam wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

coaljam wrote:

A loss of values is a sad thing to see in a band. Let's hope they don't become as bad as the Who did in the 80's and on. Damn it PJ, you've lost your morals after all these years.

The fact is they are a different band. It's easy to see by their actions. That's fine, they can do what they want. But why can't people here just admit it and then move on? The band no longer cares about keeping ticket prices down. They no longer care if their music is used on TV shows. They no longer think doing shows for corporate sponsers is a bad thing. It's been some pretty significant change in the last 7 years for sure.

People on the board have trouble admiting it. Others, including myself, have trouble moving on. Their values and morals are intertwined with their music/lyrics. This change in band values has changed the way the music effects me as I no longer think I would be able to relate to anyone in the band. I know people disagree and say music is music, but I don't believe you can seperate the art from the artist.

You just summed it up 100% for me.

Who they WERE is so ingrained in their pre-backspacer music...

A values change for an artist like Celine Dion who is basically a performer is one thing, but for a band like Pearl Jam - IT'S A HUGE DEAL

and it's real, and I suppose I am still in denial.

stranger34

Let's put it this way. If Morrissey started going around eating Big Mac's he'd have a credibility issue with a large portion of his fanbase.

Pearl Jam in 2010 has a credibility issue with me and probably alot of other fans who jumped on board between 98-2002... when Ed was playing Ralph Nader events and writing songs like Soon Forget and Green Disease and ticket prices affordability was an issue to the band.

What seperated Pearl Jam from the pack imo was the authenticity and the spirt of their music and their message.

In 2010 they strike me as just another rock band...

PJam82

You know, by the other token they are now selling albums for as little as 7.99 per CD on iTunes....you save at least 10$ on that these days compared to 1995.

Are you going to complain about saving some money there?

jammingwhileIcan

stranger34 wrote:

Let's put it this way. If Morrissey started going around eating Big Mac's he'd have a credibility issue with a large portion of his fanbase.

Pearl Jam in 2010 has a credibility issue with me and probably alot of other fans who jumped on board between 98-2002... when Ed was playing Ralph Nader events and writing songs like Soon Forget and Green Disease and ticket prices affordability was an issue to the band.

What seperated Pearl Jam from the pack imo was the authenticity and the spirt of their music and their message.

In 2010 they strike me as just another rock band...

Its so sad that I have to agree with you. Another rock band, jesus what happened to them in the last 7 years to make them lose touch?

jammingwhileIcan

PJam82 wrote:

You know, by the other token they are now selling albums for as little as 7.99 per CD on iTunes....you save at least 10$ on that these days compared to 1995.

Are you going to complain about saving some money there?

That is a standard price for old cds on itunes. Its digital music, they make a much higher profit compared to CD's.

satansbed

where are people getting the 92.50, i just checked ticket master and it was 79 for msg and 74.50 for boston??

cajunkiwi

stranger34 wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Pearl Jam is keeps their tickets lower than most

No they don't dude and you people who say that do really sound silly. Sure they charge less than U2 and Paul McCartney and guys like that. But they charge way more than their contemporaries like, as I said earlier in the thread, Dave Matthews, Radiohead, Metallica, and Green Day. All four of those bands are just as popular as Pearl Jam....and they all charge like $30 less for tix.

These are the only bands I can think of who charge moere than PJ for their avg ticket price WHEN TOURING ALONE:

Billy Joel
Paul McCartney
Madonna (Maybe)
Springsteen (Maybe)
u2 (Maybe)

Even U2 had $50 tickets on their last tour. I'm going to see DMB in Houston in September, and two tickets to that cost as much as one PJ ticket.

Wobbie

coaljam wrote:

stranger34 wrote:

In 2010 they strike me as just another rock band...

Its so sad that I have to agree with you. Another rock band, jesus what happened to them in the last 7 years to make them lose touch?

go see them play.........they are far from "just another rock band"

jesus.....maybe not you guys specifically..........but people gladly pay $100+ per month for a cell phone and then then bitch about shit like this.

slightofjeff

It's amazing to me that we have to put up with one of these threads every single tour.

I guarantee you, somewhere in cyberspace, there's an old thread from 2000 bitching about $40 tickets.

hopethatuchoke

What are you putting up with exactly? You knew the gist of this thread before opening it. It's a discussion board for opinions. Just as many people say "Don't like the prices? Don't go!!"...heed your own words and don't open the thread if you don't like it.

stranger34

imalive wrote:

coaljam wrote:

stranger34 wrote:

In 2010 they strike me as just another rock band...

Its so sad that I have to agree with you. Another rock band, jesus what happened to them in the last 7 years to make them lose touch?

go see them play.........they are far from "just another rock band"

jesus.....maybe not you guys specifically..........but people gladly pay $100+ per month for a cell phone and then then bitch about shit like this.

I've seen them play 10+ times... There's something missing that used to be there up until about 05. Still a great great rock show for sure, maybe the best, but something's amiss...

slightofjeff

hopethatuchoke wrote:

What are you putting up with exactly? You knew the gist of this thread before opening it. It's a discussion board for opinions. Just as many people say "Don't like the prices? Don't go!!"...heed your own words and don't open the thread if you don't like it.

Alright, fine. Good point.

But, fuck, it's exhausting.

slightofjeff

stranger34 wrote:

I've seen them play 10+ times... There's something missing that used to be there up until about 05. Still a great great rock show for sure, maybe the best, but something's amiss...

Guess it's all a matter of taste ... or venue ... or whatever ... but about five of the best six shows I've been to have all been post-Avocado. For whatever it's worth.

BF25394

JR140627 wrote:

I'm very confused as to why all of you complain so much about Pearl Jam, yet you're still reading the Pearl Jam message boards. They have done so much for their fans over the years that absolutely nobody has any right to complain whatsoever. If you could sell a house for $500,000 as opposed to $400,000, which amount of money would you take. So if they can sell out concerts for $90 (remember...some of that is venue/parking/ticketmaster charges) as opposed to selling out concerts for $60, wouldn't you charge $90?

Bad analogy. Most people selling their homes do not have complete financial security. The analogy is to the athlete who turns down an $80 million contract in favor of a $90 million contract. He has every right to choose the bigger contract, but he opens himself up to accusations of greed, since the lesser contract provides a lifetime of financial security. If the athlete had been publicly outspoken about not being in it for the money, then he also opens himself up to accusations of hypocrisy.