The official $92.05 is Too much Thread

JonnyPistachio

coaljam wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

coaljam wrote:

A loss of values is a sad thing to see in a band. Let's hope they don't become as bad as the Who did in the 80's and on. Damn it PJ, you've lost your morals after all these years.

The fact is they are a different band. It's easy to see by their actions. That's fine, they can do what they want. But why can't people here just admit it and then move on? The band no longer cares about keeping ticket prices down. They no longer care if their music is used on TV shows. They no longer think doing shows for corporate sponsers is a bad thing. It's been some pretty significant change in the last 7 years for sure.

People on the board have trouble admiting it. Others, including myself, have trouble moving on. Their values and morals are intertwined with their music/lyrics. This change in band values has changed the way the music effects me as I no longer think I would be able to relate to anyone in the band. I know people disagree and say music is music, but I don't believe you can seperate the art from the artist.

I think around the riot act time, I had trouble admitting that I saw them changing. But I'm still happy, even though my favorite records/era are No Code and Yield.

I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but I really like when people put it in perspective. Seriously, how many other meaningless things do we pay $75-90 for all the time. Good point = cell phone, cableTV, ect. again, for a 2 1/2 hour concert, we are paying each member of the band 5 bucks an hour!!! (and that's including BOOM!) haha

we are all going to keep on diagreeing it seems like, but, I for one, am happy about ANY chance I get to see the greatest rock band in the world for these prices.

No offense either, but seriously, if any of you really think they are just another band, why are you here? I'm really just trying to understand.. :?

slightofjeff

BF25394 wrote:

JR140627 wrote:

I'm very confused as to why all of you complain so much about Pearl Jam, yet you're still reading the Pearl Jam message boards. They have done so much for their fans over the years that absolutely nobody has any right to complain whatsoever. If you could sell a house for $500,000 as opposed to $400,000, which amount of money would you take. So if they can sell out concerts for $90 (remember...some of that is venue/parking/ticketmaster charges) as opposed to selling out concerts for $60, wouldn't you charge $90?

Bad analogy. Most people selling their homes do not have complete financial security. The analogy is to the athlete who turns down an $80 million contract in favor of a $90 million contract. He has every right to choose the bigger contract, but he opens himself up to accusations of greed, since the lesser contract provides a lifetime of financial security. If the athlete had been publicly outspoken about not being in it for the money, then he also opens himself up to accusations of hypocrisy.

What if the athlete used to be outspoken, but now hasn't uttered a word about it in 15 fucking years?

JonnyPistachio

BF25394 wrote:

JR140627 wrote:

I'm very confused as to why all of you complain so much about Pearl Jam, yet you're still reading the Pearl Jam message boards. They have done so much for their fans over the years that absolutely nobody has any right to complain whatsoever. If you could sell a house for $500,000 as opposed to $400,000, which amount of money would you take. So if they can sell out concerts for $90 (remember...some of that is venue/parking/ticketmaster charges) as opposed to selling out concerts for $60, wouldn't you charge $90?

Bad analogy. Most people selling their homes do not have complete financial security. The analogy is to the athlete who turns down an $80 million contract in favor of a $90 million contract. He has every right to choose the bigger contract, but he opens himself up to accusations of greed, since the lesser contract provides a lifetime of financial security. If the athlete had been publicly outspoken about not being in it for the money, then he also opens himself up to accusations of hypocrisy.

Sorry, but I think yours is a bad analogy as well. That althlete is not a business and probably only has concerns for his profit and his agents %. My point throughout this thread is that we don't know what other expenses the band has these days, but it's evident that it is far more than any athlete or the business that surrounds him/her.

And you're right, unfortunately that anytime someone who makes a lot of money asks for more, they will have to endure accusations of greed. However, we will never know how much more money PJ will personally make. Personally,I think they are making waaay more per show, but not much more overall. they probably just wanted to maintain a consistent income with less shows.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

i just wonder what it was that changed. and it wasnt a gradual thing, it seemed to happen pretty quickly. all of the sudden Ed wasnt angry anymore, they mellowed out, and so on. i was pretty shocked last year when Ed barely said anything political at shows. dont get me wrong, I LOVE THAT, i just wonder what it was. they must have found some really good weed.

stranger34

MrSmith wrote:

i just wonder what it was that changed. and it wasnt a gradual thing, it seemed to happen pretty quickly. all of the sudden Ed wasnt angry anymore, they mellowed out, and so on. i was pretty shocked last year when Ed barely said anything political at shows. dont get me wrong, I LOVE THAT, i just wonder what it was. they must have found some really good weed.

It happened very quickly. 06 was still old PJ. I think it started in 08 and was complete by 09. No clue what it was.

slightofjeff

MrSmith wrote:

i just wonder what it was that changed. and it wasnt a gradual thing, it seemed to happen pretty quickly. all of the sudden Ed wasnt angry anymore, they mellowed out, and so on. i was pretty shocked last year when Ed barely said anything political at shows. dont get me wrong, I LOVE THAT, i just wonder what it was. they must have found some really good weed.

People tend to mellow when they grow up, get married and have kids. Kids tend to put things into perspective for you.

Frankly, if this band were still angry about everything and pissed off about everything all the time ... I probably would have jumped ship a long time ago. The one thing I'm forever thankful for is that this band has matured with me ... I feel like we've been in the same space, dealing with the same issues and emotions, with each succcessive album.

slightofjeff

stranger34 wrote:

MrSmith wrote:

i just wonder what it was that changed. and it wasnt a gradual thing, it seemed to happen pretty quickly. all of the sudden Ed wasnt angry anymore, they mellowed out, and so on. i was pretty shocked last year when Ed barely said anything political at shows. dont get me wrong, I LOVE THAT, i just wonder what it was. they must have found some really good weed.

It happened very quickly. 06 was still old PJ. I think it started in 08 and was complete by 09. No clue what it was.

Nah. The band I saw in '06 was the same band I saw in '08 was the same band I saw in '09.

If there's a line of delination between "old PJ" and "new PJ" (whatever the hell that means), it was drawn before '06.

slightofjeff

I still don't know what you people are lamenting. Last I saw them was at ACL and they blew the fucking roof off that place. Even the old Austin hipsters, who hate every band they've heard of, left impressed.

I don't know what has changed, if anything. I just know that every time I see these dudes, they blow the roof off.

Are people just pissed because Ed seems happy? Would you rather he offed himself in 1994? What the hell is the matter with you people?

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

slightofjeff wrote:

MrSmith wrote:

i just wonder what it was that changed. and it wasnt a gradual thing, it seemed to happen pretty quickly. all of the sudden Ed wasnt angry anymore, they mellowed out, and so on. i was pretty shocked last year when Ed barely said anything political at shows. dont get me wrong, I LOVE THAT, i just wonder what it was. they must have found some really good weed.

People tend to mellow when they grow up, get married and have kids. Kids tend to put things into perspective for you.

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i dont know about that. maybe he just heard "shut up and sing" one too many times.

cajunkiwi

slightofjeff wrote:

stranger34 wrote:

I've seen them play 10+ times... There's something missing that used to be there up until about 05. Still a great great rock show for sure, maybe the best, but something's amiss...

Guess it's all a matter of taste ... or venue ... or whatever ... but about five of the best six shows I've been to have all been post-Avocado. For whatever it's worth.

I hope you're right, bro. I haven't seen them live in 12 years, and I'm counting down the 39 days until I see them rock Jazz Fest. I'm in the camp of people who definitely don't like Backspacer (comfortably my least-favorite PJ album), but then I think back to 12 years ago... I wasn't a huge fan of Yield, and then I was 15 feet away from Mike when they played DTE. Safe to say I've never looked at the song the same way since. I hope I'm equally as pleasantly surprised by the Backspacer songs live.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

i like goofy dirty hippy Ed. it sucks that i'll never get Not For You like it was back when they were pissed, but at least this way the girls i go with are usually suprised they arent just some grunge band.

JonnyPistachio

MrSmith wrote:

i just wonder what it was that changed. and it wasnt a gradual thing, it seemed to happen pretty quickly. all of the sudden Ed wasnt angry anymore, they mellowed out, and so on. i was pretty shocked last year when Ed barely said anything political at shows. dont get me wrong, I LOVE THAT, i just wonder what it was. they must have found some really good weed.

I assume it gets hard to write music after you have over a hundred original songs. Actually, what i mean is lyrically... Especially once you've found your niche in life. When you are discovering new music and growing up, the world has so much to offer, but once you settle down, sometimes you have to seek out those things.

I admit that i find many of the songs on Backspacer lacking depth, but I figure they are testing out all new directions. Got Some kicks ass, but it doesnt say much to me. However, I love that something so silly as Johnny Guitar Watson could give them inspiration to write a fun, rockin tune that "is what it is".

Another theory...I have a friend who used to be kinda wild and raced motorcycles professionally. Once he had kids.. it was all over. it was like his train of thought was reformatted too. Just an observation.

or, I could be waaay off, it could be the weed

stranger34

slightofjeff wrote:

stranger34 wrote:

MrSmith wrote:

i just wonder what it was that changed. and it wasnt a gradual thing, it seemed to happen pretty quickly. all of the sudden Ed wasnt angry anymore, they mellowed out, and so on. i was pretty shocked last year when Ed barely said anything political at shows. dont get me wrong, I LOVE THAT, i just wonder what it was. they must have found some really good weed.

It happened very quickly. 06 was still old PJ. I think it started in 08 and was complete by 09. No clue what it was.

Nah. The band I saw in '06 was the same band I saw in '08 was the same band I saw in '09.

If there's a line of delination between "old PJ" and "new PJ" (whatever the hell that means), it was drawn before '06.

no, just look at Ed's body language on stage. It's changed dramatically. He acts like a full of himself rockstar now. it's annoying

stranger34

the change is that they care less about everything including the music and it's showing.

they used to care alot about everything. some would say they used to care too much.

teeman

stranger34 wrote:

no, just look at Ed's body language on stage. It's changed dramatically. He acts like a full of himself rockstar now. it's annoying

...and just when you almost got some people on board, you come out with something like this.

Sounds like you actually don't like their newer shows very much, that's why the $79 is too much for you. And that's ok man. But, you might want to save yourself the aggravation and find a new forum to hang out in. Something that won't get you so upset.

i am a target

ultimately they are a group of individuals who play music together. things change. people change. you learn to focus your energy in different ways. if they had kept being angry they would have split up a long time ago.

as far as price goes? that's just the cost of doing business. while it is noble for a band to try and keep ticket prices down as much as possible it can't stay that way forever. at some point they have to start thinking for themselves. you and i have no idea how much money they actually have or have made and in an uncertain world they want to secure their financial futures. they know they can't do this forever. the industry is changing. a band can either adapt to the change and continue performing or continue to fight, burn themselves out, and disappear into the proverbial fog.

if you don't like the prices of tickets then exercise your free will and don't go to the show. if it's too much for you then don't pay. it's that simple. there are some great bands out there right now. spend $92 going to see three local bands and pick up some merchandise to support some kids touring.

Digital Twilight

stranger34 wrote:

the change is that they care less about everything including the music and it's showing.

they used to care alot about everything. some would say they used to care too much.

http://www.amnesty.org/

Much better use of your time and efforts. Get worked up about something important :roll:

stranger34

here's my question. What does Pearl Jam stand for in 2010?

This is the first time in their history they have no identity.

it's like they re-affirmed who they were with the 2006 release and then lost their way by 2010.

JonnyPistachio

stranger34 wrote:

no, just look at Ed's body language on stage. It's changed dramatically. He acts like a full of himself rockstar now. it's annoying

I've seen them close to twenty times, and this is the FARTHEST THING from accurate that I have witnessed.
Can you please describe what you mean by "full of himself-rockstar"? better yet, you might be looking for a different kind of band altogether, I agree with the above poster, maybe you should look into some other bands, cause I think you just dont get PJ. just my $.02.

stranger34

JonnyPistachio wrote:

stranger34 wrote:

no, just look at Ed's body language on stage. It's changed dramatically. He acts like a full of himself rockstar now. it's annoying

I've seen them close to twenty times, and this is the FARTHEST THING from accurate that I have witnessed.
Can you please describe what you mean by "full of himself-rockstar"? better yet, you might be looking for a different kind of band altogether, I agree with the above poster, maybe you should look into some other bands, cause I think you just dont get PJ. just my $.02.

go watch blood from the 02 Arena then go watch touring band