The official $92.05 is Too much Thread

CantKeepmedown

stranger34 wrote:

no, just look at Ed's body language on stage. It's changed dramatically. He acts like a full of himself rockstar now. it's annoying

Please, please, please explain how Ed's body language has changed at all on stage in the past 10-12 years. I think you're at a point now where you're just throwing stuff against a wall to see what sticks.

Maybe you just don't dig the band as much as you once did, which is perfectly fine. Yet, you're going to shows on this tour and hanging out on the band's message board, so what gives?

polaris_x

stranger34 wrote:

here's my question. What does Pearl Jam stand for in 2010?

This is the first time in their history they have no identity.

it's like they re-affirmed who they were with the 2006 release and then lost their way by 2010.

uhhh ... $2 from every concert goer goes to charity ... ed's release of my city of ruins went to haiti ... they operate without a major label and distributed their record on their own terms ...

this thread should really be entitled the "can't please everyone" thread

DewieCox

I seen PJ in 2003 and Ed and Mike were goin back to back in a cliche rockstar way and it totally fuckin ruled. In arguably the most famous PJ pic Ed and Jeff are doin the same thing.

What about Ed stage diving? I know he was feelin it, but it's cliche rockstar bullshit. He'd still be stage diving if it was about lookin cool.

hopethatuchoke

polaris_x wrote:

stranger34 wrote:

here's my question. What does Pearl Jam stand for in 2010?

This is the first time in their history they have no identity.

it's like they re-affirmed who they were with the 2006 release and then lost their way by 2010.

uhhh ... $2 from every concert goer goes to charity ... ed's release of my city of ruins went to haiti ... they operate without a major label and distributed their record on their own terms ...

this thread should really be entitled the "can't please everyone" thread

Correction...$2 of OUR dollars go to charity. That is an additional charge on top of the ticket price.

polaris_x

hopethatuchoke wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

uhhh ... $2 from every concert goer goes to charity ... ed's release of my city of ruins went to haiti ... they operate without a major label and distributed their record on their own terms ...

this thread should really be entitled the "can't please everyone" thread

Correction...$2 of OUR dollars go to charity. That is an additional charge on top of the ticket price.

uhhh ... how is this a correction? ... are people going not called concert goers?

teeman

hopethatuchoke wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

stranger34 wrote:

here's my question. What does Pearl Jam stand for in 2010?

This is the first time in their history they have no identity.

it's like they re-affirmed who they were with the 2006 release and then lost their way by 2010.

uhhh ... $2 from every concert goer goes to charity ... ed's release of my city of ruins went to haiti ... they operate without a major label and distributed their record on their own terms ...

this thread should really be entitled the "can't please everyone" thread

Correction...$2 of OUR dollars go to charity. That is an additional charge on top of the ticket price.

Why is this a correction? He said from every concert goer...we are the concert goers, are we not?

hopethatuchoke

polaris_x wrote:

hopethatuchoke wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

uhhh ... $2 from every concert goer goes to charity ... ed's release of my city of ruins went to haiti ... they operate without a major label and distributed their record on their own terms ...

this thread should really be entitled the "can't please everyone" thread

Correction...$2 of OUR dollars go to charity. That is an additional charge on top of the ticket price.

uhhh ... how is this a correction? ... are people going not called concert goers?

Sorry, I interpreted that as you saying the band was personally donating that money. My bad.

Wobbie

DewieCox wrote:

What about Ed stage diving? I know he was feelin it, but it's cliche rockstar bullshit. He'd still be stage diving if it was about lookin cool.

"That climbing happened out of me saying 'Look this is how extreme I feel about this situation. This is how fucking intense I'm taking this moment.' You can't do that for long, because what they really want to see is, they want you to chop your fucking arm off, hold up your arm, wave it around spewing blood, and believe me, if you did that, the crowd would go fucking ballistic. You only get four good shows like that, though. Four good shows, and then you're just a torso and a head, trying to get one of your band mates to give you one last hurrah and chop your head off. Which they probably wouldn't do, which would really be hell.

"But," Vedder says with a laugh, "they'd say, 'Sing from your diaphragm, at least you still have that going for you.'"

polaris_x

http://www.pearljam.com/activism

cajunkiwi

imalive wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

What about Ed stage diving? I know he was feelin it, but it's cliche rockstar bullshit. He'd still be stage diving if it was about lookin cool.

"That climbing happened out of me saying 'Look this is how extreme I feel about this situation. This is how fucking intense I'm taking this moment.' You can't do that for long, because what they really want to see is, they want you to chop your fucking arm off, hold up your arm, wave it around spewing blood, and believe me, if you did that, the crowd would go fucking ballistic. You only get four good shows like that, though. Four good shows, and then you're just a torso and a head, trying to get one of your band mates to give you one last hurrah and chop your head off. Which they probably wouldn't do, which would really be hell.

"But," Vedder says with a laugh, "they'd say, 'Sing from your diaphragm, at least you still have that going for you.'"

Tis but a flesh wound!

JonnyPistachio

stranger34 wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

stranger34 wrote:

no, just look at Ed's body language on stage. It's changed dramatically. He acts like a full of himself rockstar now. it's annoying

I've seen them close to twenty times, and this is the FARTHEST THING from accurate that I have witnessed.
Can you please describe what you mean by "full of himself-rockstar"? better yet, you might be looking for a different kind of band altogether, I agree with the above poster, maybe you should look into some other bands, cause I think you just dont get PJ. just my $.02.

go watch blood from the 02 Arena then go watch touring band

I have no idea what this means, but I guess anyone could pick some random song from any era and compare it to another era and say, 'see what I mean'? This tells us nothing about how Ed has become an "annoying rockstar" to you. I saw a 30 second video of Ed doing kareoke poorly once.. must be giving up and selling out, huh?
I guess if it's your opinion, that's fine... but you cant substantiate a ridiculous statement like "Ed is annoying now" and expect us to believe it all-encompasingly just from a video of Blood.

Better Dan

stranger34 wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

stranger34 wrote:

no, just look at Ed's body language on stage. It's changed dramatically. He acts like a full of himself rockstar now. it's annoying

I've seen them close to twenty times, and this is the FARTHEST THING from accurate that I have witnessed.
Can you please describe what you mean by "full of himself-rockstar"? better yet, you might be looking for a different kind of band altogether, I agree with the above poster, maybe you should look into some other bands, cause I think you just dont get PJ. just my $.02.

go watch blood from the 02 Arena then go watch touring band

I saw 4 shows last year and saw Touring Band a week ago and don't really know what you're getting at. Can you be specific as to what Ed's "full of himself rockstar" is to you? Is it because he appears to be having a good time instead of just standing there like in Touring Band?

stranger34

i can't pull up vids now but his antics are like a caricature now and it's annoying. that's all. Holden Caufield would call him a phony if he saw him on stage. Maybe he's just lit up onstage more than he's been in the past who knows...

at any rate at least it's been established now that this band is no longer a "cheap ticket" that was the point of this thread in the first place...

sling

stranger34 wrote:

MrSmith wrote:

i just wonder what it was that changed. and it wasnt a gradual thing, it seemed to happen pretty quickly. all of the sudden Ed wasnt angry anymore, they mellowed out, and so on. i was pretty shocked last year when Ed barely said anything political at shows. dont get me wrong, I LOVE THAT, i just wonder what it was. they must have found some really good weed.

It happened very quickly. 06 was still old PJ. I think it started in 08 and was complete by 09. No clue what it was.

One word: Obama.

I know that I'm a lot less angry than I was during the Bush years! And I didn't have kids...
That doesn't mean I'm thrilled with everything going on in society, but it's a lot different than 2000-2008.

The guys grew up, but also, all good music/art reflects the culture of its time. The cultural paradigm shifted.

Nowadays if you want angry, you best be finding some Teabagger-created music!

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

sling wrote:

stranger34 wrote:

MrSmith wrote:

i just wonder what it was that changed. and it wasnt a gradual thing, it seemed to happen pretty quickly. all of the sudden Ed wasnt angry anymore, they mellowed out, and so on. i was pretty shocked last year when Ed barely said anything political at shows. dont get me wrong, I LOVE THAT, i just wonder what it was. they must have found some really good weed.

It happened very quickly. 06 was still old PJ. I think it started in 08 and was complete by 09. No clue what it was.

One word: Obama.

I know that I'm a lot less angry than I was during the Bush years! And I didn't have kids...
That doesn't mean I'm thrilled with everything going on in society, but it's a lot different than 2000-2008.

The guys grew up, but also, also, all good music/art reflects the culture of its time. The cultural paradigm shifted.

Nowadays if you want angry, you best be finding some Teabagger-created music!

then its time to put a republican in the white house! that should piss off Eddie real good.

JOEJOEJOE

I can undertsand how people would take issue with some of the band's actions.

To those people, what is your motivation for being so vocal about the issue?

Do you feel let-down by the band?

Are you angry at them?

Why do you place so much importance on what the band says or does?

Do you hold many other people to the same standards?

Just curious

sling

MrSmith wrote:

then its time to put a republican in the white house! that should piss off Eddie real good.

No thanks! But maybe somebody could make him watch a bunch of Fox News occasionally to light a fire under his ass.

stranger34 wrote:

no, just look at Ed's body language on stage. It's changed dramatically. He acts like a full of himself rockstar now. it's annoying

So far I haven't seen Eddie with hair gel, guyliner & skin-tight leather pants, doing Bono poses...

He still rocks out in a way that wouldn't necessarily look very "cool" if he wasn't so fully into it!

stranger34

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

I can undertsand how people would take issue with some of the band's actions.

To those people, what is your motivation for being so vocal about the issue?

Do you feel let-down by the band?

Are you angry at them?

Why do you place so much importance on what the band says or does?

Do you hold many other people to the same standards?

Just curious

what is your motivation for being so vocal about the issue? To see if others feel the same, to see if maybe I'm mistaken, to take a temperature of how the fanbase is reacting to PJ's shift in values and music

Do you feel let-down by the band? Yes, the way anyone would when they respect someone for something, and then the person turns their back on it. I would say this started when PJ joined the herd of Nader supporters who jumped to kerry in 04. It's been a slippery slope since then. Neil Young and Ralph Nader became Bruce Springsteen and Barack Obama. ugh


Are you angry at them? wrong word - disappointed

Why do you place so much importance on what the band says or does? I'm holding them to their own standard. They spent their entire careers acting like their actions were important. I humored them then and I'll humor it now

Do you hold many other people to the same standards? I tend to hold people to the standards they set for themselves. I tend to to gravitate toward extreme personalities - people with strong convictions... people who want to be held to a high standard

Jeanwah

sling wrote:

stranger34 wrote:

MrSmith wrote:

i just wonder what it was that changed. and it wasnt a gradual thing, it seemed to happen pretty quickly. all of the sudden Ed wasnt angry anymore, they mellowed out, and so on. i was pretty shocked last year when Ed barely said anything political at shows. dont get me wrong, I LOVE THAT, i just wonder what it was. they must have found some really good weed.

It happened very quickly. 06 was still old PJ. I think it started in 08 and was complete by 09. No clue what it was.

One word: Obama.

I know that I'm a lot less angry than I was during the Bush years! And I didn't have kids...
That doesn't mean I'm thrilled with everything going on in society, but it's a lot different than 2000-2008.

The guys grew up, but also, all good music/art reflects the culture of its time. The cultural paradigm shifted.

Nowadays if you want angry, you best be finding some Teabagger-created music!

Obama def. did it. But to anyone who thinks that "growing up" means becoming more conservative and commercial, like the band's become, has a lot to learn regarding what "growing up" means. It means something different to everyone, and can't be generalized into a neat little package. :roll:

reedrothchild

i haven't read this whole thread and I'm a huge hypocrite because I still buy tickets, but yes $92 is too much for PJ. It's cool though I'm happy with seeing one or two shows now instead of 5-10 a tour. What's really crazy to me is how Phish tickets are still $65 with fees and PJ's tix are almost $30 more. Pearl jam has a very minimal stage set-up while Phish has one of the biggest light rigs around. Pj's lights suck! And that's fine, but where is the extra money going? Plus Phish shows are longer! Oh well it'll still be fun, but it's not quite like it used to be.