The official $92.05 is Too much Thread

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  • stranger34
    stranger34 Posts: 235
    polaris_x wrote:
    MrSmith wrote:
    STOP BLAMING THE RISE IN TICKET PRICES ON EXPENSES WHEN MANY OTHER BANDS CHARGE FAR FAR LESS! YOU ARE LYING TO YOURSELF.

    but at least compare apples to apples - here are some other concerts at MSG with top end ticket price (PJ is flat at $79):

    Tom Petty: $134.50
    Peter Gabriel: $199.50
    New Kids on the Block: $99.50
    Lady Gaga: $179.50
    Iron Maiden: $84.50

    every single one is more expensive then PJ

    edit: cuss! justin bieber is like $69.50 but you have to join his Fan Club for $45 cussin' dollars!

    You should work for the government in Cuba or China with disinformation like that... why don't you report the low end of their price ranges...?
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    stranger34 wrote:
    what's your point? My point is I'll be seeing PJ at MSG from far away for $92.05. I'll be seeing Petty at MSG from far away for $68...

    well ... my point is that i'll be seeing PJ from fairly close for $87 while if i wanted the same seat for tom petty it would be $150 ... a difference of $63 compared to your variance of $24 ...

    soo ... would you be happier if PJ offered a tier ticket pricing structure? ... what is it? ... they will be charging less on average ticket price than tom petty so i think your argument that they are the most expensive concert is a bit misleading ...
  • stranger34
    stranger34 Posts: 235
    MrSmith wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    MrSmith wrote:
    STOP BLAMING THE RISE IN TICKET PRICES ON EXPENSES WHEN MANY OTHER BANDS CHARGE FAR FAR LESS! YOU ARE LYING TO YOURSELF.

    but at least compare apples to apples - here are some other concerts at MSG with top end ticket price (PJ is flat at $79):

    Tom Petty: $134.50
    Peter Gabriel: $199.50
    New Kids on the Block: $99.50
    Lady Gaga: $179.50
    Iron Maiden: $84.50

    every single one is more expensive then PJ

    edit: cuss! justin bieber is like $69.50 but you have to join his Fan Club for $45 cussin' dollars!

    a:) PJ isnt in the same league/demo as any of those bands you mentioned, save maybe Iron MAiden. that is not an apples to apples comparison. bands similar to PJ charge around the same or less, but not because of expenses, but because they can. they've already been listed here earlier so go read the thread.
    b:)Phish charged $50. perhaps they only broke even, but to say PJ couldnt make a profit on less than 90$ is insane.
    c:) why does Petre Gabriel charge 200 dollars? why does Tom Petty charge 134$? because of expenses? fuck no, because they want to make more money. same with PJ. its ok.

    those are all premium prices... I'd be willing to bet most of those ascts offer tickets lower than PJ. I know for a fact Petty does cause I bought them...
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    stranger34 wrote:
    You should work for the government in Cuba or China with disinformation like that... why don't you report the low end of their price ranges...?

    why didn't you list the top end when you compared to tom petty?

    i responded to jeanwah and listed tom petty's tiered pricing ... only their cheapest of their 4 tickets were less than PJ ... and i stated in my post that was the top end price ... where is their disinformation? ...
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    stranger34 wrote:
    those are all premium prices... I'd be willing to bet most of those ascts offer tickets lower than PJ. I know for a fact Petty does cause I bought them...

    i dare you to average out the ticket prices of all those acts and see who comes up cheapest ... see my post to jeanwah that listed tom petty's prices ...
  • stranger34
    stranger34 Posts: 235
    polaris_x wrote:
    stranger34 wrote:
    what's your point? My point is I'll be seeing PJ at MSG from far away for $92.05. I'll be seeing Petty at MSG from far away for $68...

    well ... my point is that i'll be seeing PJ from fairly close for $87 while if i wanted the same seat for tom petty it would be $150 ... a difference of $63 compared to your variance of $24 ...

    soo ... would you be happier if PJ offered a tier ticket pricing structure? ... what is it? ... they will be charging less on average ticket price than tom petty so i think your argument that they are the most expensive concert is a bit misleading ...

    My point is if you don't get lucky through 10 Club or Ticketmaster then PJ will probably cost you more than just about anyone else.

    granted, if you get 10C tickets PJ is still a very good deal. but that's a big IF...

    also judging by your posts in this thread I don't think you have a great handle on this. Phish played MSG and the whole arena was sold at $50 face...
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    stranger34 wrote:
    My point is if you don't get lucky through 10 Club or Ticketmaster then PJ will probably cost you more than just about anyone else.

    granted, if you get 10C tickets PJ is still a very good deal. but that's a big IF...

    also judging by your posts in this thread I don't think you have a great handle on this. Phish played MSG and the whole arena was sold at $50 face...

    again ... average out the ticket prices ... you have ONE band that is cheaper at MSG ... they play about the same length of time as PJ when you factor in their breaks and they had no opening act ... opening acts have to get paid ...
  • stranger34
    stranger34 Posts: 235
    polaris_x wrote:
    stranger34 wrote:
    those are all premium prices... I'd be willing to bet most of those ascts offer tickets lower than PJ. I know for a fact Petty does cause I bought them...

    i dare you to average out the ticket prices of all those acts and see who comes up cheapest ... see my post to jeanwah that listed tom petty's prices ...

    you would need to have an accurate breakdown of how many seats were being offered at what price to do that...

    besides most people would have trouble getting those premium seats that are expensive no matter how much they cost. Most average people get stuck with bad seats at concerts. With PJ they get bad seats at a bad price...
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    soo ... cuz phish charges less than PJ they have green disease ... is that the handle i'm supposed to get?
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    edited March 2010
    Can someone please remind me when Tom Petty, Lady Gaga, New Kids on the block, Iron Maiden, or any of these other bands use to publicly state a need to keep ticket prices down?

    Have any of them ever gotten on top of their high horse and berated other bands for charging so much?

    If they have never done that, then none of them compare to Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam put themselves out there through their actions and words in the past and now they are silent as they change their actions.

    If you hate something, don't you do it too
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  • pepsigators
    pepsigators St. John's, NL Posts: 182
    I've only read the first post in this thread.

    But you have to be able to see that ticket prices across the board have inflated. Bands don't sell records like they used to anymore. In fact most people donload the music they want for free. Now the last time i checked this is their job and they make a living doing it. I also understand that they make a healthy living doing it but we also admire and adore them and follow every aspect of their lives. If the demand for the band weren't so high they wouldn't be making big money, but thats the entertainmement industry. So if you aren't really making money through your recordings where else are you going to make your money? Touring.

    I feel they have done a good job of keeping ticket prices as reasonable as possible. If they are a little pricey sometimes, you just have to realize that its a sign of the times and accept it. You don't have to buy the tickets but i can't really fault people for making a living for themselves. Most of us here also work for that very same reason.
  • stranger34
    stranger34 Posts: 235
    polaris_x wrote:
    stranger34 wrote:
    My point is if you don't get lucky through 10 Club or Ticketmaster then PJ will probably cost you more than just about anyone else.

    granted, if you get 10C tickets PJ is still a very good deal. but that's a big IF...

    also judging by your posts in this thread I don't think you have a great handle on this. Phish played MSG and the whole arena was sold at $50 face...

    again ... average out the ticket prices ... you have ONE band that is cheaper at MSG ... they play about the same length of time as PJ when you factor in their breaks and they had no opening act ... opening acts have to get paid ...

    Green Day was probably cheaper...

    I go to shows at MSG all the time and I've only once paid more than what I'm paying for PJ and that was when Billy Joel set a flat face rate of like $90
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    stranger34 wrote:
    you would need to have an accurate breakdown of how many seats were being offered at what price to do that...

    besides most people would have trouble getting those premium seats that are expensive no matter how much they cost. Most average people get stuck with bad seats at concerts. With PJ they get bad seats at a bad price...

    uhhh ... tom petty has 4 ticket prices ... all but 1 was more expensive than PJ ... i'm no mathmetician but they would have to have like very little tickets in those 3 other price ranges to average out less than PJ ...
  • stranger34
    stranger34 Posts: 235
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Can someone please remind me when Tom Petty, Lady Gaga, New Kids on the block, Iron Maiden, or any of these other bands use to publicly state a need to keep ticket prices down?

    Have any of them ever gotten on top of their high horse and berated other bands for charging so much?

    If they have never done that, then none of them compare to Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam put themselves out their through their actions and words in the past and now they are silent as they change their actions.

    If you hate something, don't you do it too

    this post is spot on!
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    ComeToTX wrote:
    BF25394 wrote:

    The inflation rate is actually pretty low. What cost $55 in 2000 costs about $68 today.

    For the win!
    Actually, I think they kinda helped support my point, thanks. Things cost more now than they did in 2000. it's that simple. LEss concerts = demand is up. How hard is this for people to understand?

    It doesn't support your point. Inflation would have had to have been three times what it was for your explanation to work for a 2000-vs.-2010 comparison. But the references here haven't even been to 2000-- they have been to 2003 and 2006, when the difference is even less. What cost $55 in 2003 would cost $64 today. What cost $55 in 2006 would cost $58 today.
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  • stranger34
    stranger34 Posts: 235
    What did you do with your first royalty check?

    I bought a house for my mom. [Pauses, then laughs]. I didn't! I wish I did. I'm still feeling guilty about that. I bought a new surfboard.

    It's a good question. I spent the rest of it, because it's not there. But I still drive my old truck from when I worked at a gas station: a 1989 Toyota, a little thing. It still works fine.

    But it wasn't just about the money we made. It was the money we chose not to make. Like keeping ticket prices low, and doing what we could in other ways to keep the live experience available to everyone.
  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,829
    An "elastic" good is one whose price elasticity of demand has a magnitude greater than one. Similarly, "unit elastic" and "inelastic" describe goods with price elasticity having a magnitude of one and less than one respectively.

    The degree to which a demand or supply curve reacts to a change in price is the curve's elasticity. Elasticity varies among products because some products may be more essential to the consumer. Products that are necessities are more insensitive to price changes because consumers would continue buying these products despite price increases. Conversely, a price increase of a good or service that is considered less of a necessity will deter more consumers because the opportunity cost of buying the product will become too high.

    A good or service is considered to be highly elastic if a slight change in price leads to a sharp change in the quantity demanded or supplied. Usually these kinds of products are readily available in the market and a person may not necessarily need them in his or her daily life. On the other hand, an inelastic good or service is one in which changes in price witness only modest changes in the quantity demanded or supplied, if any at all. These goods tend to be things that are more of a necessity to the consumer in his or her daily life.
  • stranger34
    stranger34 Posts: 235
    hy·poc·ri·sy (h-pkr-s)
    n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies
    1. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
    2. An act or instance of such falseness.
  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,829
    stranger34 wrote:
    hy·poc·ri·sy (h-pkr-s)
    n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies
    1. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
    2. An act or instance of such falseness.


    If we all agree with you, will you finally stop your little repetitive crusade?
  • stranger34
    stranger34 Posts: 235
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    stranger34 wrote:
    hy·poc·ri·sy (h-pkr-s)
    n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies
    1. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
    2. An act or instance of such falseness.


    If we all agree with you, will you finally stop your little repetitive crusade?

    no
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