i know, the bible said if you rape an unbetrothed virgin your punishment was you had to pay her dad 50 shekels and marry her! it was god's plan that women be forced to be sold and married off to their rapist... :roll:
What bible is that from?
Yours. Deuteronomy 22:28-29
Talk about a different time and different place. Thats why its call Old testiment.[/quote]
so God was cool with rape and forcing the raped girl to have to marry her rapist until he became a dad and had Jesus?
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don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
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when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Talk about a different time and different place. Thats why its call Old testiment.
so God was cool with rape and forcing the raped girl to have to marry her rapist until he became a dad and had Jesus?
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Something I could never understand with some people...
The arguement that the Old Testament does not apply because it is full of 'Ancient Jewish Law' and has all that stuff where God is a spiteful, petty judge of Man and does crappy stuff to people... but, argue Creationism... which is found... in the irrelevant Old Testament.
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Sex in the Bible is, for lack of a better term, fucked up.
The ancestor of the Jewish nation, Judah, has casual sex with a Canaanite woman, and she gives him two sons, Er and Onan.
Later, Er is killed by God, and Er's brother Onan is commanded to marry Er's widow Tamar and give her children. Well, he decides he'd rather jack off than fuck her (or cum onto the ground, depending on translation) so God kills him too.
Poor Tamar decides if she can't have kids that way, she's going to be a hooker. Well, her father in law Judah propositions her, not knowing it's Tamar, then she gets paid to have sex with him, and bears him twin boys. One - Pharez - is an ancestor of Jesus.
Then Judah is told that his daughter in law is pregnant by whoredom, and he commands that she be burned. Whoops, surprise! He's the father!
All in Genesis 38, btw.
There's Family Values for you.
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This is what you call human planning. People made up this stuff. We as humans pick and choose which parts we want to believe and accept and which parts to ignore or denounce. Anything that doesn't fit into the mold can be denied as "it's just the way it is because god wanted it that way" or something similar to that line of thought. It's really quite sad if you think about it, people are basing their lives, thought processes and morals on information which is thousands of years old. Think about that for a moment. Don't get me wrong, most religions have some moral code which amounts to being a good person, etc... but the indoctrination, and application of the religous codes and standards that are applied into current times and issues are non-sensical. It holds no real place any more than telling fairy tales which have moral themes. Other than that characteristic, religious scriptures are no more legitimate than science fiction or fictional works in the literary field. And when you question a religious person about these matters, their answer will always be something along the lines of "well I am spiritual" or "I believe"... which is fine, but certainly no more legitimate from me saying I believe in the tooth fairy or zombies..... why you ask... cause I just do. That's religion.
Talk about a different time and different place. Thats why its call Old testiment.
so God was cool with rape and forcing the raped girl to have to marry her rapist until he became a dad and had Jesus?
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Something I could never understand with some people...
The arguement that the Old Testament does not apply because it is full of 'Ancient Jewish Law' and has all that stuff where God is a spiteful, petty judge of Man and does crappy stuff to people... but, argue Creationism... which is found... in the irrelevant Old Testament.
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I just doesnt seem to be a coincidence that a book that was composed over thousands of years by numerous people claiming to be spoken to by God and performing miracles can still have so much power and relevance in so many peoples lives.
Ever heard of the Koran? Understand I'm not saying that it's right and The Bible is wrong, but it does have that exact same "coincidence" you mentioned. As far as still having relevance in peoples' lives... I hate to play this card, but: Sept. 11? I'd call that pretty fucking relevant for a lot of people.
Only one story did a guy raise from the dead. Jim Jones, Buddah, L Ron Hubbard, and all those other fabrications by the opposing dark leader didnt do this. Why didnt they just throw it in there to make their stories more believable.
Your faith seems to hinge on the idea that Jesus rose from the dead. Okay, but please don't insult the rest of us by claiming that that aspect is what makes it "believable".
No... Not right. But for the sake of argument, let's say it's true. How do you know the one you believe is the "right" one, and not any number of ones that millions (or billions?) of other people believe, just as wholeheartedly as you?
Talk about a different time and different place. Thats why its call Old testiment.
so God was cool with rape and forcing the raped girl to have to marry her rapist until he became a dad and had Jesus?
...
Something I could never understand with some people...
The arguement that the Old Testament does not apply because it is full of 'Ancient Jewish Law' and has all that stuff where God is a spiteful, petty judge of Man and does crappy stuff to people... but, argue Creationism... which is found... in the irrelevant Old Testament.
i know, right? apparently god was just going through a 'phase' back then....he's chilled out since then and is like all about peace and love, man....or was he?
Matthew 10:
32"Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. 33But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.
34"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn
" 'a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--
36a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.
37"Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; 38and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
40"He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives the one who sent me. 41Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and anyone who receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man's reward. 42And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is my disciple, I tell you the truth, he will certainly not lose his reward."
i think god still has some issues....
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
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when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Fair enough for that tooth-fairy comment made earlier. What about people who celebrate Muhammad? Why is Jesus the "real" god? Why isn't Buddah the real god? Or Muhammad? or so on...
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Buddha didn't claim to be God. Nor did Muhammad. Jesus DID make that claim. Buddhists or Muslims do not make that claim about Buddha or Muhammad. Therein lies the difference.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Fair enough for that tooth-fairy comment made earlier. What about people who celebrate Muhammad? Why is Jesus the "real" god? Why isn't Buddah the real god? Or Muhammad? or so on...
"?
Buddha didn't claim to be God. Nor did Muhammad. Jesus DID make that claim. Buddhists or Muslims do not make that claim about Buddha or Muhammad. Therein lies the difference.
the bible also said the Jesus thought considering yourself equal to god wasn't a sin and let that mind be in us
Philippians 2:5-6
5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God
we are all the children of god, right?
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Fair enough for that tooth-fairy comment made earlier. What about people who celebrate Muhammad? Why is Jesus the "real" god? Why isn't Buddah the real god? Or Muhammad? or so on...
"?
Buddha didn't claim to be God. Nor did Muhammad. Jesus DID make that claim. Buddhists or Muslims do not make that claim about Buddha or Muhammad. Therein lies the difference.
maybe jesus was a fucking liar or maybe he was insane....or maybe somebody made all that shit up and you believed it
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Fair enough for that tooth-fairy comment made earlier. What about people who celebrate Muhammad? Why is Jesus the "real" god? Why isn't Buddah the real god? Or Muhammad? or so on...
"?
Buddha didn't claim to be God. Nor did Muhammad. Jesus DID make that claim. Buddhists or Muslims do not make that claim about Buddha or Muhammad. Therein lies the difference.
maybe jesus was a fucking liar or maybe he was insane....or maybe somebody made all that shit up and you believed it
Maybe.
Sheesh.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
the bible also said the Jesus thought considering yourself equal to god wasn't a sin and let that mind be in us
Philippians 2:5-6
5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God
we are all the children of god, right?
i think you may be misreading here. In more context Philipians chapter 2 says this:
5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
6Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
Clearly what is being spoken to here is our need to humble ourselves and be servants of our fellow man putting their needs above our own. Christ, who was God in human flesh, did this and we should strive to be like him. i think thats what this passage is saying.
Jesus claimed to be God incarnate. He claimed to forgive sins, perform miracles, etc. all in Gods name. Rights and abilities reserved for God himself. According to jewish law and tradition, which Jesus was a direct product of and operating within, this would be highly blasphemous. Obviously Jesus was not equating himself with God in some metaphorical sense. He was equating himself with God quite literally. This is what separates Jesus from Buddha, Muhammad etc. They did not make this claim.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
the bible also said the Jesus thought considering yourself equal to god wasn't a sin and let that mind be in us
Philippians 2:5-6
5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God
we are all the children of god, right?
i think you may be misreading here. In more context Philipians chapter 2 says this:
5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
6Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
Clearly what is being spoken to here is our need to humble ourselves and be servants of our fellow man putting their needs above our own. Christ, who was God in human flesh, did this and we should strive to be like him. i think thats what this passage is saying.
Jesus claimed to be God incarnate. He claimed to forgive sins, perform miracles, etc. all in Gods name. Rights and abilities reserved for God himself. According to jewish law and tradition, which Jesus was a direct product of and operating within, this would be highly blasphemous. Obviously Jesus was not equating himself with God in some metaphorical sense. He was equating himself with God quite literally. This is what separates Jesus from Buddha, Muhammad etc. They did not make this claim.
i suppose it all depends on which version of the christian bible you are willing to believe to be the one true message, not sure how to explain all the other, later versions, though....like some bibles say 'rape' while others that came after, like the king james version, changed 'rape' to 'lie with' or something like that...i'd say there's a pretty big difference in those 2 terms. who knows, maybe god spoke to king james and told him he had some revisions for him or maybe he told james moses was drunk and took something out of context....if the christian message is the only truth, which of your versions is the one true version? doesn't it get complicated?
anyway, versions like young's literal translation say:
5For, let this mind be in you that [is] also in Christ Jesus,
6who, being in the form of God, thought [it] not robbery to be equal to God,
7but did empty himself, the form of a servant having taken, in the likeness of men having been made,
8and in fashion having been found as a man, he humbled himself, having become obedient unto death -- death even of a cross,
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Fair enough for that tooth-fairy comment made earlier. What about people who celebrate Muhammad? Why is Jesus the "real" god? Why isn't Buddah the real god? Or Muhammad? or so on...
"?
Buddha didn't claim to be God. Nor did Muhammad. Jesus DID make that claim. Buddhists or Muslims do not make that claim about Buddha or Muhammad. Therein lies the difference.
actually I am pretty sure that Jesus was cast in the role of Son of God not god himself...... specifically... I get the holy trinity but Jesus TOLD people he was the son of god
BTW Buddha (Aka Siddhartha) was the prince of a beloved king...kinda sounds like Jesus no? Siddhartha's childhood was not too different the Jesus' full of compassion, questioned pain and suffering and a longing for more. He later went on a quest for happiness and to find a end to suffering..... well that is a bit like Jesus.
oh boy... another person who thinks there is one immutable, concrete, and unquestionable "reality" that 100% of the world should agree upon. How medieval of you...
"I don't mind the idea of Christianity, I just can't stand christians." - can't remember who... :roll:
What about Muslims, Hindus and so on? What about about what they teach? Can you stand them?
Some people have no problem bashing Christians or denying Jesus, it's a shame. I feel sorry for you.
oh boy... another person who thinks there is one immutable, concrete, and unquestionable "reality" that 100% of the world should agree upon. How medieval of you...
"I don't mind the idea of Christianity, I just can't stand christians." - can't remember who... :roll:
What about Muslims, Hindus and so on? What about about what they teach? Can you stand them?
Some people have no problem bashing Christians or denying Jesus, it's a shame. I feel sorry for you.
There is only one way and thats throught Jesus.
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I understand why people get defensive about their religious beliefs... belief is an extremly personal experience. that is held close to the heart. I admire that, regardless of the religious doctrine you prescribe to.
I try to avoid the so-called bashing and just try to explain my belief that personal means internal. Live and let live is what i prescribe to. I don't care if anyone believes what they believe, such as your belief in Jesus. Jesus is the only way for you... personally. It does not mean He is the only way for me or anyone else.
Peace be with you on your journey... I just choose to take a different road than the one you are on.
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In one hand you ask why someone is only critical of Christianity, yet follow your comment with a comment warranting that kind of response. There's been thousands of religions throughout the history of the world, and if a persons' stance is to believe theirs' is the right way and everyone has that decision to make and think on their own, so be it and leave it at that, but don't be so brazen to say yours is a proven, more right or somehow the only way. For me personally, this is why I hate religion, because it is not kept to thy-self, it's spoken as fact or knowledge when it is nothing of the sort. I can believe pink unicorns walk the earth today and say I wholeheartedly belive this and anyone who doesn't is wrong. If you disagree, you can't 100% disprove my statement, but we both know from science, fact and knowledge, that it is in fact untrue. And that's religion compared to science. I can't sit here and say 100% that a god/creator doesn't exist although we have plenty of fact and science to disprove that one does.. perhaps it's close to proven, but not 100%. But you can't prove any percent that your particular religion or thought is fact other than that it is what you believe things to be.
[/quote]What about Muslims, Hindus and so on? What about about what they teach? Can you stand them?
Some people have no problem bashing Christians or denying Jesus, it's a shame. I feel sorry for you.
There is only one way and thats throught Jesus.[/quote]
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In one hand you ask why someone is only critical of Christianity, yet follow your comment with a comment warranting that kind of response. There's been thousands of religions throughout the history of the world, and if a persons' stance is to believe theirs' is the right way and everyone has that decision to make and think on their own, so be it and leave it at that, but don't be so brazen to say yours is a proven, more right or somehow the only way. For me personally, this is why I hate religion, because it is not kept to thy-self, it's spoken as fact or knowledge when it is nothing of the sort. I can believe pink unicorns walk the earth today and say I wholeheartedly belive this and anyone who doesn't is wrong. If you disagree, you can't 100% disprove my statement, but we both know from science, fact and knowledge, that it is in fact untrue. And that's religion compared to science. I can't sit here and say 100% that a god/creator doesn't exist although we have plenty of fact and science to disprove that one does.. perhaps it's close to proven, but not 100%. But you can't prove any percent that your particular religion or thought is fact other than that it is what you believe things to be.
What about Muslims, Hindus and so on? What about about what they teach? Can you stand them?
Some people have no problem bashing Christians or denying Jesus, it's a shame. I feel sorry for you.
There is only one way and thats throught Jesus.
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I have to agree with FiveB247x... I have heard people claiming to be 'Christians' debate the glory of their religion and chastise the religion of others. I was talking with a group of people who were making fun of Scientology because of that whole aliens in volcanoes and dark lords of evil and space ships and stuff. When i asked how is that any crazier than the belief that Woman was made from a rib and that the downfall of Man is due to a TALKING SNAKE.
I didn't get much of a response.... and I don't expect one here.
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Personally... I think that religion has a good place in the world, with all of the God is love, Jesus' forgiveness, tolerance and sacrifice... too bad it's lost on the ones who want God only to themselves.
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Personally I never understood why everyone accepts the wordsound "Jesus" (Jeez-us) as the correct pronunciation. And if you think well "we're Americanizing it" that's plain wrong. Here's something I found a long time ago while researching that "Jeez-us" pronunciation... http://www.essene.org/Yahowshua_or_Paul.htm
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If you disagree, you can't 100% disprove my statement, but we both know from science, fact and knowledge, that it is in fact untrue. And that's religion compared to science. I can't sit here and say 100% that a god/creator doesn't exist although we have plenty of fact and science to disprove that one does.. perhaps it's close to proven, but not 100%. But you can't prove any percent that your particular religion or thought is fact other than that it is what you believe things to be.
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Really? That's news to me. What science are you referring to that "close to proves" the non-existence of God? There is no such science. None at all. i'm not being condescending here. i'd really like to know what science your talking about.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
If you disagree, you can't 100% disprove my statement, but we both know from science, fact and knowledge, that it is in fact untrue. And that's religion compared to science. I can't sit here and say 100% that a god/creator doesn't exist although we have plenty of fact and science to disprove that one does.. perhaps it's close to proven, but not 100%. But you can't prove any percent that your particular religion or thought is fact other than that it is what you believe things to be.
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Really? That's news to me. What science are you referring to that "close to proves" the non-existence of God? There is no such science. None at all. i'm not being condescending here. i'd really like to know what science your talking about.
The burden of proof falls on the one making a claim.
For instance, you can't prove I didn't sleep with Angelina Jolie last Tuesday. It was a miracle.
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If you disagree, you can't 100% disprove my statement, but we both know from science, fact and knowledge, that it is in fact untrue. And that's religion compared to science. I can't sit here and say 100% that a god/creator doesn't exist although we have plenty of fact and science to disprove that one does.. perhaps it's close to proven, but not 100%. But you can't prove any percent that your particular religion or thought is fact other than that it is what you believe things to be.
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Really? That's news to me. What science are you referring to that "close to proves" the non-existence of God? There is no such science. None at all. i'm not being condescending here. i'd really like to know what science your talking about.
The burden of proof falls on the one making a claim.
For instance, you can't prove I didn't sleep with Angelina Jolie last Tuesday. It was a miracle.
Look, i've been over and over this burden of proof bullshit argument in this forum way to many times. i'll not get into it again now. Someone posited that science nearly proves, almost 100%, that God does not exist. i simply and sincerely asked what science. You're coming at me with some meaningless crap about having a go with Angelina Jolie. i'm confused.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
The burden of proof falls on the one making a claim.
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Like the CLAIM that God does not exist? Or the CLAIM that science has all but proven that God does not exist? Don't come at me with this "burden of proof" nonsense. Its pure bullshit. A huge steaming pile.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
If you disagree, you can't 100% disprove my statement, but we both know from science, fact and knowledge, that it is in fact untrue. And that's religion compared to science. I can't sit here and say 100% that a god/creator doesn't exist although we have plenty of fact and science to disprove that one does.. perhaps it's close to proven, but not 100%. But you can't prove any percent that your particular religion or thought is fact other than that it is what you believe things to be.
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Really? That's news to me. What science are you referring to that "close to proves" the non-existence of God? There is no such science. None at all. i'm not being condescending here. i'd really like to know what science your talking about.
I don't buy in to Christianity, but I have to go along with cornnifer's question... How do you "disprove" God (without bashing in the opposition's skull)?
There are actually a remarkably few things that science can prove. Even "laws" (gravity, for example) are only considered to be accepted rules that stand until someone can disprove them. That's the scientific method. There are a hell of a lot more things that we don't understand than things that we do.
Quite frankly, it's a miracle that we're even here. Cellular biology, cognition, the wacky (and not fully understood) principles of water - we can basically explain what happens, but not why or sometimes even how. Even the chances that we have a planet with all the proper ingredients to sustain life as we know it are staggeringly infinitesimal. Who's to say a higher power didn't orchestrate it all?
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Talk about a different time and different place. Thats why its call Old testiment.[/quote]
so God was cool with rape and forcing the raped girl to have to marry her rapist until he became a dad and had Jesus?
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Something I could never understand with some people...
The arguement that the Old Testament does not apply because it is full of 'Ancient Jewish Law' and has all that stuff where God is a spiteful, petty judge of Man and does crappy stuff to people... but, argue Creationism... which is found... in the irrelevant Old Testament.
Hail, Hail!!!
The ancestor of the Jewish nation, Judah, has casual sex with a Canaanite woman, and she gives him two sons, Er and Onan.
Later, Er is killed by God, and Er's brother Onan is commanded to marry Er's widow Tamar and give her children. Well, he decides he'd rather jack off than fuck her (or cum onto the ground, depending on translation) so God kills him too.
Poor Tamar decides if she can't have kids that way, she's going to be a hooker. Well, her father in law Judah propositions her, not knowing it's Tamar, then she gets paid to have sex with him, and bears him twin boys. One - Pharez - is an ancestor of Jesus.
Then Judah is told that his daughter in law is pregnant by whoredom, and he commands that she be burned. Whoops, surprise! He's the father!
All in Genesis 38, btw.
There's Family Values for you.
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Are you saying that God changes His position according to the era?
Your faith seems to hinge on the idea that Jesus rose from the dead. Okay, but please don't insult the rest of us by claiming that that aspect is what makes it "believable".
No... Not right. But for the sake of argument, let's say it's true. How do you know the one you believe is the "right" one, and not any number of ones that millions (or billions?) of other people believe, just as wholeheartedly as you?
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i know, right? apparently god was just going through a 'phase' back then....he's chilled out since then and is like all about peace and love, man....or was he?
Matthew 10:
32"Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. 33But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.
34"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn
" 'a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--
36a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.
37"Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; 38and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
40"He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives the one who sent me. 41Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and anyone who receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man's reward. 42And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is my disciple, I tell you the truth, he will certainly not lose his reward."
i think god still has some issues....
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
It isn't.
Buddha didn't claim to be God. Nor did Muhammad. Jesus DID make that claim. Buddhists or Muslims do not make that claim about Buddha or Muhammad. Therein lies the difference.
the bible also said the Jesus thought considering yourself equal to god wasn't a sin and let that mind be in us
Philippians 2:5-6
5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God
we are all the children of god, right?
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
maybe jesus was a fucking liar or maybe he was insane....or maybe somebody made all that shit up and you believed it
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Maybe.
Sheesh.
i think you may be misreading here. In more context Philipians chapter 2 says this:
5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
6Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
Clearly what is being spoken to here is our need to humble ourselves and be servants of our fellow man putting their needs above our own. Christ, who was God in human flesh, did this and we should strive to be like him. i think thats what this passage is saying.
Jesus claimed to be God incarnate. He claimed to forgive sins, perform miracles, etc. all in Gods name. Rights and abilities reserved for God himself. According to jewish law and tradition, which Jesus was a direct product of and operating within, this would be highly blasphemous. Obviously Jesus was not equating himself with God in some metaphorical sense. He was equating himself with God quite literally. This is what separates Jesus from Buddha, Muhammad etc. They did not make this claim.
Though scientific study of DNA evidence suggests all of humanity stems from common ancestry.
i suppose it all depends on which version of the christian bible you are willing to believe to be the one true message, not sure how to explain all the other, later versions, though....like some bibles say 'rape' while others that came after, like the king james version, changed 'rape' to 'lie with' or something like that...i'd say there's a pretty big difference in those 2 terms. who knows, maybe god spoke to king james and told him he had some revisions for him or maybe he told james moses was drunk and took something out of context....if the christian message is the only truth, which of your versions is the one true version? doesn't it get complicated?
anyway, versions like young's literal translation say:
5For, let this mind be in you that [is] also in Christ Jesus,
6who, being in the form of God, thought [it] not robbery to be equal to God,
7but did empty himself, the form of a servant having taken, in the likeness of men having been made,
8and in fashion having been found as a man, he humbled himself, having become obedient unto death -- death even of a cross,
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
sweet
so it is okay to have sex with your sister
actually I am pretty sure that Jesus was cast in the role of Son of God not god himself...... specifically... I get the holy trinity but Jesus TOLD people he was the son of god
BTW Buddha (Aka Siddhartha) was the prince of a beloved king...kinda sounds like Jesus no? Siddhartha's childhood was not too different the Jesus' full of compassion, questioned pain and suffering and a longing for more. He later went on a quest for happiness and to find a end to suffering..... well that is a bit like Jesus.
Some people have no problem bashing Christians or denying Jesus, it's a shame. I feel sorry for you.
There is only one way and thats throught Jesus.
want to be enlightened"
I understand why people get defensive about their religious beliefs... belief is an extremly personal experience. that is held close to the heart. I admire that, regardless of the religious doctrine you prescribe to.
I try to avoid the so-called bashing and just try to explain my belief that personal means internal. Live and let live is what i prescribe to. I don't care if anyone believes what they believe, such as your belief in Jesus. Jesus is the only way for you... personally. It does not mean He is the only way for me or anyone else.
Peace be with you on your journey... I just choose to take a different road than the one you are on.
Hail, Hail!!!
[/quote]What about Muslims, Hindus and so on? What about about what they teach? Can you stand them?
Some people have no problem bashing Christians or denying Jesus, it's a shame. I feel sorry for you.
There is only one way and thats throught Jesus.[/quote]
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I have to agree with FiveB247x... I have heard people claiming to be 'Christians' debate the glory of their religion and chastise the religion of others. I was talking with a group of people who were making fun of Scientology because of that whole aliens in volcanoes and dark lords of evil and space ships and stuff. When i asked how is that any crazier than the belief that Woman was made from a rib and that the downfall of Man is due to a TALKING SNAKE.
I didn't get much of a response.... and I don't expect one here.
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Personally... I think that religion has a good place in the world, with all of the God is love, Jesus' forgiveness, tolerance and sacrifice... too bad it's lost on the ones who want God only to themselves.
Hail, Hail!!!
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Personally I never understood why everyone accepts the wordsound "Jesus" (Jeez-us) as the correct pronunciation. And if you think well "we're Americanizing it" that's plain wrong. Here's something I found a long time ago while researching that "Jeez-us" pronunciation...
http://www.essene.org/Yahowshua_or_Paul.htm
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Really? That's news to me. What science are you referring to that "close to proves" the non-existence of God? There is no such science. None at all. i'm not being condescending here. i'd really like to know what science your talking about.
For instance, you can't prove I didn't sleep with Angelina Jolie last Tuesday. It was a miracle.
Look, i've been over and over this burden of proof bullshit argument in this forum way to many times. i'll not get into it again now. Someone posited that science nearly proves, almost 100%, that God does not exist. i simply and sincerely asked what science. You're coming at me with some meaningless crap about having a go with Angelina Jolie. i'm confused.
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Like the CLAIM that God does not exist? Or the CLAIM that science has all but proven that God does not exist? Don't come at me with this "burden of proof" nonsense. Its pure bullshit. A huge steaming pile.
I don't buy in to Christianity, but I have to go along with cornnifer's question... How do you "disprove" God (without bashing in the opposition's skull)?
There are actually a remarkably few things that science can prove. Even "laws" (gravity, for example) are only considered to be accepted rules that stand until someone can disprove them. That's the scientific method. There are a hell of a lot more things that we don't understand than things that we do.
Quite frankly, it's a miracle that we're even here. Cellular biology, cognition, the wacky (and not fully understood) principles of water - we can basically explain what happens, but not why or sometimes even how. Even the chances that we have a planet with all the proper ingredients to sustain life as we know it are staggeringly infinitesimal. Who's to say a higher power didn't orchestrate it all?