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catefrances

EddieLedBetter wrote:

If you really want logical evidence for gods existence its out there you just have to seach for it with an open mind. Evidence so overwhelming you'll find that it takes more faith not to believe in god.

youre kidding right??? what evidence exactly are you speaking of???

ive been an atheist since i was 11 years old. and ive never wavered or even questioned the absence of God, nor my atheism, so clearly its been no burden for me. in fact tis not even something i think about really. it just is what it is... an absolute LACK OF FAITH.

redrock

EddieLedBetter wrote:

.... On the other hand Hell is clearly described. Eternal torment, nashing of teeth, the evilest of evils. Not a place I'm willing to gamble my soul with.

Don't gamble then.. stick to the Old Testament. No hell there!

Gern Blansten

EddieLedBetter wrote:

If you really want logical evidence for gods existence its out there you just have to seach for it with an open mind. Evidence so overwhelming you'll find that it takes more faith not to believe in god.

Probably your most ridiculous statement yet.

Gern Blansten

primussucks wrote:

I once heard a scientist use an example of putting the pieces of a model airplane into a dryer, turning it on and at the end of the cycle the airplane comes out put together perfectly. He said the odds of that happening are better then the odds of this planet coming together so perfectly by accident.

People need to look at our planet and realise how perfect and beautiful and complicated it is. Once you do that then how can you not see that our planet was put together by design. Our planet is the ultimate evidence of God's existence!!! To not see and comprehend that is naive and ignorant. Way too many people take everything for granted!

yeah that earthquake in Haiti was PERFECT!!!

Gern Blansten

EddieLedBetter wrote:

The scientists and physicist that do delve deeper into it without the closed mind that atheist and agnostics possess eventually can't deny what they call supernatural forces at work. Supernatural is magic or God. Which one is easier to put faith in?

Give us one example of a supernatural force please.

Gern Blansten

EddieLedBetter wrote:

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.". -Einstein

I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist.

- Albert Einstein, letter to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945, responding to a rumor that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein to convert from atheism; quoted by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic, Vol. 5, No. 2

CJMST3K

EddieLedBetter wrote:

.... On the other hand Hell is clearly described.

By who?


Smurf village is clearly described.




...and both were described by man. Why is heaven more real than smurf village?

Smellyman

With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg,

markin ball

primussucks wrote:

I once heard a scientist use an example of putting the pieces of a model airplane into a dryer, turning it on and at the end of the cycle the airplane comes out put together perfectly. He said the odds of that happening are better then the odds of this planet coming together so perfectly by accident.

People need to look at our planet and realise how perfect and beautiful and complicated it is. Once you do that then how can you not see that our planet was put together by design. Our planet is the ultimate evidence of God's existence!!! To not see and comprehend that is naive and ignorant. Way too many people take everything for granted!

To not see the flaw in the above type of reasoning is ignorrant.

WHO MADE/DESIGNED/CREATED THE PERFECT GOD???????????????????

EddieLedBetter

Gern Blansten wrote:

EddieLedBetter wrote:

The scientists and physicist that do delve deeper into it without the closed mind that atheist and agnostics possess eventually can't deny what they call supernatural forces at work. Supernatural is magic or God. Which one is easier to put faith in?

Give us one example of a supernatural force please.

ask any cosmologist what keeps the universe together

CJMST3K

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

EddieLedBetter wrote:

The scientists and physicist that do delve deeper into it without the closed mind that atheist and agnostics possess eventually can't deny what they call supernatural forces at work. Supernatural is magic or God. Which one is easier to put faith in?

Give us one example of a supernatural force please.

ask any cosmologist what keeps the universe together

ask any religious person where god is physically located.

Gern Blansten

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

EddieLedBetter wrote:

The scientists and physicist that do delve deeper into it without the closed mind that atheist and agnostics possess eventually can't deny what they call supernatural forces at work. Supernatural is magic or God. Which one is easier to put faith in?

Give us one example of a supernatural force please.

ask any cosmologist what keeps the universe together

ridiculous....that's like us having this conversation 500 years ago and you claiming that god holds up the moon

markin ball

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

EddieLedBetter wrote:

The scientists and physicist that do delve deeper into it without the closed mind that atheist and agnostics possess eventually can't deny what they call supernatural forces at work. Supernatural is magic or God. Which one is easier to put faith in?

Give us one example of a supernatural force please.

ask any cosmologist what keeps the universe together

Cosmologists say supernatural forces keep the universe together? Or do they say they are not quite sure what they call "dark matter" is. And because you don't know what dark matter is you just throw your arms up and go "must be god/magic/supernatural forces. What other explanation could there be since I, in my infintie wisdom and knowledge, am not aware of it?"

CJMST3K

Gern Blansten wrote:

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

Give us one example of a supernatural force please.

ask any cosmologist what keeps the universe together

ridiculous....that's like us having this conversation 500 years ago and you claiming that god holds up the moon

GB - I think they may be "turtles all the way down" believers.


"A well-known scientist (some say it was Bertrand Russell) once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the center of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy. At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: "What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise." The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, "What is the tortoise standing on?" "You're very clever, young man, very clever", said the old lady. "But it's turtles all the way down!"

Gern Blansten

I think you're right man....it's like arguing with a french fry....who is crazier?

BinGnarly

Plain and simple. Religions were started to control the people. Not enough people fear government. A lot of people fear god.

CantKeepMeHere

B - Basic
I - Instructions
B - Before
L - Leaving
E - Earth

CJMST3K

cantkeepmehere wrote:

B - Basic
I - Instructions
B - Before
L - Leaving
E - Earth

You're right. There's no way, with an acronym like that, that there's no god. This is the proof... end of discussion.

Thank you for playing.


...sigh...

Cosmo

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

EddieLedBetter wrote:

The scientists and physicist that do delve deeper into it without the closed mind that atheist and agnostics possess eventually can't deny what they call supernatural forces at work. Supernatural is magic or God. Which one is easier to put faith in?

Give us one example of a supernatural force please.

ask any cosmologist what keeps the universe together

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Cosmologist or cosmetologists? I think you are confusing Astronomy with Astrology. Astronomy works within the confines of the physical sciences... Astrology includes the supernatural and really has no science about it at all.
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Another question...
I hear people say, 'God is this incredible, perfect entity that is completely beyond the comphrehension of all of Mankind'... How can those people claim to 'Know God'? If He is beyond all that we know or even our ability to comprehend... how come they know? Are they not a part of Mankind? Are they claiming to be on God's level?

Cosmo

primussucks wrote:

I once heard a scientist use an example of putting the pieces of a model airplane into a dryer, turning it on and at the end of the cycle the airplane comes out put together perfectly. He said the odds of that happening are better then the odds of this planet coming together so perfectly by accident.

People need to look at our planet and realise how perfect and beautiful and complicated it is. Once you do that then how can you not see that our planet was put together by design. Our planet is the ultimate evidence of God's existence!!! To not see and comprehend that is naive and ignorant. Way too many people take everything for granted!

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The first paragraph is a nonsensical statement made by supporters of Creationism (i.e. 'Intelligent Design'). A plastic model airplane does not exist in the natural world... just as a pocket watch, as stated in 'Of People and Pandas'. Tell me where there is a plant that grows pocket watches or the mating and birthing practices of the Boeing 767 and get back to me.
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As for the Earth. It is a hostile environment... the natural world. Get dropped off in the middle of the ocean or desert or mountains without any of your products of modern technology (including your shoes and clothing) and tell me how long you will last. And ever see the natural world in action... lions do not order their meals from a menu. Think of being out in the wilderness, being tracked by wolves. When they catch you... because they will catch you... they will not be humane to their meal... you. You will more than likely still be conscience of them pulling your intestines out of your body before devouring them.
Yes... the planet is beautiful... from our technological windows. But, out there... if the predators don't kill you... the weather and/or elements will.