I do find it funny that people choose to nitpick at Lebron rather than enjoy his greatness. His last three finals games were unreal
he played great but you called him the greatest all around basketball player ... not sure how you can say that when his shooting stats aren't in the elite category ...
I thought you were being sarcastic.
He shot 53% from the field in the playoffs this year. His shooting looked fine to me
dude ... look at his true shooting stats ... his 53% is a lot from dunks ... he's one of the worst shooters outside the paint ... only shot like 30% from 3 and 74% from the line this year ... he is not an elite shooter of the basketball ...
I never said he was an 'elite' shooter, but he is an elite scorer. In games 5 and 6 golden state made him shoot jumpers and he killed them. In game 7 his jumper wasn't falling so he scored in other ways...and also did other things to help his team win (triple double -- again)
Sometimes I wonder if people watch these games
you called him the best all around basketball player ... just not sure how you can say that when his shot isn't quite there ... like i said - i'd pick him first overall all ... he can dominate his game because of his athleticism and his ability to see the floor ... it's that athleticism that sets him apart ...
Lebron's shot was off this year, no doubt about it. He started to gain confidence in it towards the end of the season though. I can guarantee he will be working on that in the off season. Watch what he does next year.
he's never been a great shooter ... look at his career numbers ... don't let the fact that he dunks more than dwight howard these days cloud the fact he just isn't a great shooter ... his FT % should be indicative of that ...
Sunday night was a great example of this. He was atrocious from anything past the paint. I think he made 2 outside shots the whole game. Maybe 3? They were playing 5 feet off him from the perimeter all night. And he turned the ball over 5 times or so.
But what makes him great is he makes up for not having a good outside shot by being elite at just about everything else. I think the block on Iggy (negating his turnover on the other side of the court, by the way) will be remembered similarly to MJ's shot in Utah.
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I'm still holding out hope for a trade with LA. A buddy said he saw some crazy rumor this morning. Jah, Nerlens and next year's LA pick for 2 and Russell.
Russell, Ingrahm, Saric, Simmons, and Embiid would be a pretty entertaining lineup.
I don't want to give up Nerlens though.
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I'm still holding out hope for a trade with LA. A buddy said he saw some crazy rumor this morning. Jah, Nerlens and next year's LA pick for 2 and Russell.
Russell, Ingrahm, Saric, Simmons, and Embiid would be a pretty entertaining lineup.
And those would be something different than what we were talking about earlier. (see KG there now?)
MJ # 1 career win share/48, number 2 playoffs....6 rings LBJ# 6 career win share/48, number 1 playoffs...3 rings
Also-- you posted the same link twice.
I changed the link -- did post it twice by accident. my bad
Lebron is still only 31. He's going to shatter all of Jordan's records. He already bests him in a number of categories (rebounds, assists) in four less seasons.
the ring thing is kind of a joke. Jordan was favored in every finals he played in, while lebron has been the underdog all but once. And Jordan couldn't even get to the finals until he had a completely loaded team (losing multiple times in the first round -- with your boy doug collins' help. haha). Jordan has lost in the first round three straight years, while lebron has never lost in round 1 and took the worst team ever to the finals in his second year (dummies hold this against him -- as if taking a team full of scrubs coached by mike brown to the finals and losing to an all time great team is a negative)
And only one of the two players has (had) the ability to win games with plays like the block on iguodala.
if you think jordan is better than it's because he won six finals in which he was favored and supposed to win. lebron has taken worse teams than jordans to six straight finals (7 total) and somehow managed to win three times. Jordan proved that he's not even capable of taking bad teams to the finals, let alone winning.
Jordan was great, but lebron is the best -- and he's not even done yet.
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I'm still holding out hope for a trade with LA. A buddy said he saw some crazy rumor this morning. Jah, Nerlens and next year's LA pick for 2 and Russell.
Russell, Ingrahm, Saric, Simmons, and Embiid would be a pretty entertaining lineup.
And those would be something different than what we were talking about earlier. (see KG there now?)
MJ # 1 career win share/48, number 2 playoffs....6 rings LBJ# 6 career win share/48, number 1 playoffs...3 rings
Also-- you posted the same link twice.
I changed the link -- did post it twice by accident. my bad
Lebron is still only 31. He's going to shatter all of Jordan's records. He already bests him in a number of categories (rebounds, assists) in four less seasons.
the ring thing is kind of a joke. Jordan was favored in every finals he played in, while lebron has been the underdog all but once. And Jordan couldn't even get to the finals until he had a completely loaded team (losing multiple times in the first round -- with your boy doug collins' help. haha). Jordan has lost in the first round three straight years, while lebron has never lost in round 1 and took the worst team ever to the finals in his second year (dummies hold this against him -- as if taking a team full of scrubs coached by mike brown to the finals and losing to an all time great team is a negative)
And only one of the two players has (had) the ability to win games with plays like the block on iguodala.
if you think jordan is better than it's because he won six finals in which he was favored and supposed to win. lebron has taken worse teams than jordans to six straight finals (7 total) and somehow managed to win three times. Jordan proved that he's not even capable of taking bad teams to the finals, let alone winning.
Jordan was great, but lebron is the best -- and he's not even done yet.
The 6 ring thing is kind of a joke?....hahaha
A few days ago I laid out an extremely rational argument for why Jordan is still the greatest (winning twice as many titles was only a footnote) and I've seen nothing that disputes any of it. But I also left the door open for Lebron to match or surpass him at some point in the coming years, especially if they won on Sunday.
I'm still holding out hope for a trade with LA. A buddy said he saw some crazy rumor this morning. Jah, Nerlens and next year's LA pick for 2 and Russell.
Russell, Ingrahm, Saric, Simmons, and Embiid would be a pretty entertaining lineup.
And those would be something different than what we were talking about earlier. (see KG there now?)
MJ # 1 career win share/48, number 2 playoffs....6 rings LBJ# 6 career win share/48, number 1 playoffs...3 rings
Also-- you posted the same link twice.
I changed the link -- did post it twice by accident. my bad
Lebron is still only 31. He's going to shatter all of Jordan's records. He already bests him in a number of categories (rebounds, assists) in four less seasons.
the ring thing is kind of a joke. Jordan was favored in every finals he played in, while lebron has been the underdog all but once. And Jordan couldn't even get to the finals until he had a completely loaded team (losing multiple times in the first round -- with your boy doug collins' help. haha). Jordan has lost in the first round three straight years, while lebron has never lost in round 1 and took the worst team ever to the finals in his second year (dummies hold this against him -- as if taking a team full of scrubs coached by mike brown to the finals and losing to an all time great team is a negative)
And only one of the two players has (had) the ability to win games with plays like the block on iguodala.
if you think jordan is better than it's because he won six finals in which he was favored and supposed to win. lebron has taken worse teams than jordans to six straight finals (7 total) and somehow managed to win three times. Jordan proved that he's not even capable of taking bad teams to the finals, let alone winning.
Jordan was great, but lebron is the best -- and he's not even done yet.
ya might want to check the rosters of Jordan's 1st three title teams. Hardly loaded.
1990-1991 roster: Jordan, Pippen, Horace Grant, Bill Cartwright and John Paxson as your starters. BJ Armstrong, Stacy King, Will Perdue, Cliff Levinston, Dennis Hopson, Craig Hodges, Scott Williams off the bench. Hardly loaded. Lots of average to below average there.
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I'm still holding out hope for a trade with LA. A buddy said he saw some crazy rumor this morning. Jah, Nerlens and next year's LA pick for 2 and Russell.
Russell, Ingrahm, Saric, Simmons, and Embiid would be a pretty entertaining lineup.
And those would be something different than what we were talking about earlier. (see KG there now?)
MJ # 1 career win share/48, number 2 playoffs....6 rings LBJ# 6 career win share/48, number 1 playoffs...3 rings
Also-- you posted the same link twice.
I changed the link -- did post it twice by accident. my bad
Lebron is still only 31. He's going to shatter all of Jordan's records. He already bests him in a number of categories (rebounds, assists) in four less seasons.
the ring thing is kind of a joke. Jordan was favored in every finals he played in, while lebron has been the underdog all but once. And Jordan couldn't even get to the finals until he had a completely loaded team (losing multiple times in the first round -- with your boy doug collins' help. haha). Jordan has lost in the first round three straight years, while lebron has never lost in round 1 and took the worst team ever to the finals in his second year (dummies hold this against him -- as if taking a team full of scrubs coached by mike brown to the finals and losing to an all time great team is a negative)
And only one of the two players has (had) the ability to win games with plays like the block on iguodala.
if you think jordan is better than it's because he won six finals in which he was favored and supposed to win. lebron has taken worse teams than jordans to six straight finals (7 total) and somehow managed to win three times. Jordan proved that he's not even capable of taking bad teams to the finals, let alone winning.
Jordan was great, but lebron is the best -- and he's not even done yet.
ya might want to check the rosters of Jordan's 1st three title teams. Hardly loaded.
1990-1991 roster: Jordan, Pippen, Horace Grant, Bill Cartwright and John Paxson as your starters. BJ Armstrong, Stacy King, Will Perdue, Cliff Levinston, Dennis Hopson, Craig Hodges, Scott Williams off the bench. Hardly loaded. Lots of average to below average there.
I'm still holding out hope for a trade with LA. A buddy said he saw some crazy rumor this morning. Jah, Nerlens and next year's LA pick for 2 and Russell.
Russell, Ingrahm, Saric, Simmons, and Embiid would be a pretty entertaining lineup.
And those would be something different than what we were talking about earlier. (see KG there now?)
MJ # 1 career win share/48, number 2 playoffs....6 rings LBJ# 6 career win share/48, number 1 playoffs...3 rings
Also-- you posted the same link twice.
I changed the link -- did post it twice by accident. my bad
Lebron is still only 31. He's going to shatter all of Jordan's records. He already bests him in a number of categories (rebounds, assists) in four less seasons.
the ring thing is kind of a joke. Jordan was favored in every finals he played in, while lebron has been the underdog all but once. And Jordan couldn't even get to the finals until he had a completely loaded team (losing multiple times in the first round -- with your boy doug collins' help. haha). Jordan has lost in the first round three straight years, while lebron has never lost in round 1 and took the worst team ever to the finals in his second year (dummies hold this against him -- as if taking a team full of scrubs coached by mike brown to the finals and losing to an all time great team is a negative)
And only one of the two players has (had) the ability to win games with plays like the block on iguodala.
if you think jordan is better than it's because he won six finals in which he was favored and supposed to win. lebron has taken worse teams than jordans to six straight finals (7 total) and somehow managed to win three times. Jordan proved that he's not even capable of taking bad teams to the finals, let alone winning.
Jordan was great, but lebron is the best -- and he's not even done yet.
ya might want to check the rosters of Jordan's 1st three title teams. Hardly loaded.
1990-1991 roster: Jordan, Pippen, Horace Grant, Bill Cartwright and John Paxson as your starters. BJ Armstrong, Stacy King, Will Perdue, Cliff Levinston, Dennis Hopson, Craig Hodges, Scott Williams off the bench. Hardly loaded. Lots of average to below average there.
...in a more difficult league too.
as opposed to Lebron's first title with Miami that had a roster of Wade, Bosh, Ray Allen, Mario Chalmers, Shane Battier, Norris Cole, Udonis Haslem, Mike Miller, Rashard Lewis, Chris Anderson and James Jones.
Will the Sixers make a trade on draft day/ night, to get another high pick this year? If so, who do you want?(Dunn, Murray, Buddy Heild? other?) or should they stand pat with they have, Noel & Okafor and picks 24 & 26? Still, have potential top picks in next years draft(which is SUPPOSE to be a deep/good draft).
Will the Sixers make a trade on draft day/ night, to get another high pick this year? If so, who do you want?(Dunn, Murray, Buddy Heild? other?) or should they stand pat with they have, Noel & Okafor and picks 24 & 26? Still, have potential top picks in next years draft(which is SUPPOSE to be a deep/good draft).
I think they definitely make a trade but I think it's going to be hard to get into the top 10. I imagine they end up with something between 12 and 20.
of the players you mentioned Murray is by far my 1st choice of those. I think he is going be great. I also really like Jaylen Brown from Cal. I think he ends up being really good too.
Not a big fan of Dunn's. He scares me a bit because he has the skills and athleticism but every time i saw him just seemed to be something off. Always seemed to miss a lot of shots or be in foul trouble. Also to me seemed like he lost his footing a lot. always seemed off balance.
I think Hield is going to be Robert Covington. Will make some shots but I don't see much upside to him.
Not just because I saw every game he played for 3 years but I think someone will get a very nice player when they take Deandre Bembry. I think Bembry is going to be an Andre Igoudala type. Athleticism and floor game to be a very effective NBA player.
I'm still holding out hope for a trade with LA. A buddy said he saw some crazy rumor this morning. Jah, Nerlens and next year's LA pick for 2 and Russell.
Russell, Ingrahm, Saric, Simmons, and Embiid would be a pretty entertaining lineup.
And those would be something different than what we were talking about earlier. (see KG there now?)
MJ # 1 career win share/48, number 2 playoffs....6 rings LBJ# 6 career win share/48, number 1 playoffs...3 rings
Also-- you posted the same link twice.
I changed the link -- did post it twice by accident. my bad
Lebron is still only 31. He's going to shatter all of Jordan's records. He already bests him in a number of categories (rebounds, assists) in four less seasons.
the ring thing is kind of a joke. Jordan was favored in every finals he played in, while lebron has been the underdog all but once. And Jordan couldn't even get to the finals until he had a completely loaded team (losing multiple times in the first round -- with your boy doug collins' help. haha). Jordan has lost in the first round three straight years, while lebron has never lost in round 1 and took the worst team ever to the finals in his second year (dummies hold this against him -- as if taking a team full of scrubs coached by mike brown to the finals and losing to an all time great team is a negative)
And only one of the two players has (had) the ability to win games with plays like the block on iguodala.
if you think jordan is better than it's because he won six finals in which he was favored and supposed to win. lebron has taken worse teams than jordans to six straight finals (7 total) and somehow managed to win three times. Jordan proved that he's not even capable of taking bad teams to the finals, let alone winning.
Jordan was great, but lebron is the best -- and he's not even done yet.
ya might want to check the rosters of Jordan's 1st three title teams. Hardly loaded.
1990-1991 roster: Jordan, Pippen, Horace Grant, Bill Cartwright and John Paxson as your starters. BJ Armstrong, Stacy King, Will Perdue, Cliff Levinston, Dennis Hopson, Craig Hodges, Scott Williams off the bench. Hardly loaded. Lots of average to below average there.
...in a more difficult league too.
jordan did it all with 1 team tho ... lebron left Cleveland the first time to go ring chasing and I guarantee you he wouldn't of gone back if kryie wasn't there and they didn't trade for love ...
Will the Sixers make a trade on draft day/ night, to get another high pick this year? If so, who do you want?(Dunn, Murray, Buddy Heild? other?) or should they stand pat with they have, Noel & Okafor and picks 24 & 26? Still, have potential top picks in next years draft(which is SUPPOSE to be a deep/good draft).
I think they definitely make a trade but I think it's going to be hard to get into the top 10. I imagine they end up with something between 12 and 20.
of the players you mentioned Murray is by far my 1st choice of those. I think he is going be great. I also really like Jaylen Brown from Cal. I think he ends up being really good too.
Not a big fan of Dunn's. He scares me a bit because he has the skills and athleticism but every time i saw him just seemed to be something off. Always seemed to miss a lot of shots or be in foul trouble. Also to me seemed like he lost his footing a lot. always seemed off balance.
I think Hield is going to be Robert Covington. Will make some shots but I don't see much upside to him.
Not just because I saw every game he played for 3 years but I think someone will get a very nice player when they take Deandre Bembry. I think Bembry is going to be an Andre Igoudala type. Athleticism and floor game to be a very effective NBA player.
Aren't centers going away though? They seem to be playing like power forwards nowadays.
What are the projected pics right now going to be?
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This off topic but this draft and the next is a key draft for the Celtics. I'm sure they've shopped players along with their third pick to the Sixers along with the rest of the league. The Sixers will get better after this draft and watch out for them in four years that's if Lebron is not STILL dominating the Eastern conference.
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Sixers posted highlights of Ben's workout yesterday. Good stuff.
Please--just let this kid develop even a halfway decent jumper. Kid could be a monster in this league...
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He will be just fine give him time. Watch out for the Sixers in four years they will help along with the Celtics to bring up the Eastern Conference to an elite level.
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Per C Ford, Celtics best offer for 3 is Okafur straight up at this point. Would you do that if that's all it takes?
At this point, I kinda think I would (since they are operating under the assumption Joel is healthy) and would take Murray. Don't love Murray but I feel like he would mesh well with Ben offensively as he's one of the best shooters in draft and doesn't need the ball in his hands all the time. Wish he was a better defender though but I think he avg 15+ a game right off the bat.
You'd probably be getting like 80 cents on the dollar but would start putting a more cohesive team together which is now what they need to start doing, with still more high level assets coming next year.
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Per C Ford, Celtics best offer for 3 is Okafur straight up at this point. Would you do that if that's all it takes?
At this point, I kinda think I would (since they are operating under the assumption Joel is healthy) and would take Murray. Don't love Murray but I feel like he would mesh well with Ben offensively as he's one of the best shooters in draft and doesn't need the ball in his hands all the time. Wish he was a better defender though but I think he avg 15+ a game right off the bat.
You'd probably be getting like 80 cents on the dollar but would start putting a more cohesive team together which is now what they need to start doing, with still more high level assets coming next year.
Tonight's gonna be fun. Finally!
I'm sure it will be, I'm also interested as to what's going to happen. The Celtics are so lucky to get this third pick and have a chance to do something special with it. This draft tonight is a pivotal moment in both teams future accession.
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Per C Ford, Celtics best offer for 3 is Okafur straight up at this point. Would you do that if that's all it takes?
At this point, I kinda think I would (since they are operating under the assumption Joel is healthy) and would take Murray. Don't love Murray but I feel like he would mesh well with Ben offensively as he's one of the best shooters in draft and doesn't need the ball in his hands all the time. Wish he was a better defender though but I think he avg 15+ a game right off the bat.
You'd probably be getting like 80 cents on the dollar but would start putting a more cohesive team together which is now what they need to start doing, with still more high level assets coming next year.
Tonight's gonna be fun. Finally!
I love Murray and if Sixers somehow get the 3rd pick from Boston he would be my pick. With Simmons you don't really need a traditional point because he should have the ball in his hands a lot. Murray would be a perfect compliment.
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Per C Ford, Celtics best offer for 3 is Okafur straight up at this point. Would you do that if that's all it takes?
At this point, I kinda think I would (since they are operating under the assumption Joel is healthy) and would take Murray. Don't love Murray but I feel like he would mesh well with Ben offensively as he's one of the best shooters in draft and doesn't need the ball in his hands all the time. Wish he was a better defender though but I think he avg 15+ a game right off the bat.
You'd probably be getting like 80 cents on the dollar but would start putting a more cohesive team together which is now what they need to start doing, with still more high level assets coming next year.
Tonight's gonna be fun. Finally!
I love Murray and if Sixers somehow get the 3rd pick from Boston he would be my pick. With Simmons you don't really need a traditional point because he should have the ball in his hands a lot. Murray would be a perfect compliment.
Yup. I just wish he was a tad more athletic and better defensively but the kid can shoot the lights out.
Saw a mock this morning that had Bembry going to the Sixers with one of their other picks.
Per C Ford, Celtics best offer for 3 is Okafur straight up at this point. Would you do that if that's all it takes?
At this point, I kinda think I would (since they are operating under the assumption Joel is healthy) and would take Murray. Don't love Murray but I feel like he would mesh well with Ben offensively as he's one of the best shooters in draft and doesn't need the ball in his hands all the time. Wish he was a better defender though but I think he avg 15+ a game right off the bat.
You'd probably be getting like 80 cents on the dollar but would start putting a more cohesive team together which is now what they need to start doing, with still more high level assets coming next year.
Tonight's gonna be fun. Finally!
I love Murray and if Sixers somehow get the 3rd pick from Boston he would be my pick. With Simmons you don't really need a traditional point because he should have the ball in his hands a lot. Murray would be a perfect compliment.
Yup. I just wish he was a tad more athletic and better defensively but the kid can shoot the lights out.
Saw a mock this morning that had Bembry going to the Sixers with one of their other picks.
I could live with that but my gut tells me he will be gone by 24. I have a feeling he might go higher than anticipated.
Still hoping for Isaiah Whitehead. I read that last year was the only year Murray hasn't played PG. I'd be happy with Dunn or Murray but would lean Murray. That's my nonprofessional opinion.
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But what makes him great is he makes up for not having a good outside shot by being elite at just about everything else. I think the block on Iggy (negating his turnover on the other side of the court, by the way) will be remembered similarly to MJ's shot in Utah.
The debate is great for the league.
Russell, Ingrahm, Saric, Simmons, and Embiid would be a pretty entertaining lineup.
I don't want to give up Nerlens though.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/vorp_career.html
Basketball-reference.com tends to be fairly accurate.
Here's win shares/48 too, since you mentioned it:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ws_per_48_career.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ws_career_p.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/vorp_career_p.html
Just a matter of time before Lebron is first in the regular season. GOAT
(see KG there now?)
MJ # 1 career win share/48, number 2 playoffs....6 rings
LBJ# 6 career win share/48, number 1 playoffs...3 rings
Also-- you posted the same link twice.
Lebron is still only 31. He's going to shatter all of Jordan's records. He already bests him in a number of categories (rebounds, assists) in four less seasons.
the ring thing is kind of a joke. Jordan was favored in every finals he played in, while lebron has been the underdog all but once. And Jordan couldn't even get to the finals until he had a completely loaded team (losing multiple times in the first round -- with your boy doug collins' help. haha). Jordan has lost in the first round three straight years, while lebron has never lost in round 1 and took the worst team ever to the finals in his second year (dummies hold this against him -- as if taking a team full of scrubs coached by mike brown to the finals and losing to an all time great team is a negative)
And only one of the two players has (had) the ability to win games with plays like the block on iguodala.
if you think jordan is better than it's because he won six finals in which he was favored and supposed to win. lebron has taken worse teams than jordans to six straight finals (7 total) and somehow managed to win three times. Jordan proved that he's not even capable of taking bad teams to the finals, let alone winning.
Jordan was great, but lebron is the best -- and he's not even done yet.
A few days ago I laid out an extremely rational argument for why Jordan is still the greatest (winning twice as many titles was only a footnote) and I've seen nothing that disputes any of it. But I also left the door open for Lebron to match or surpass him at some point in the coming years, especially if they won on Sunday.
1990-1991 roster:
Jordan, Pippen, Horace Grant, Bill Cartwright and John Paxson as your starters. BJ Armstrong, Stacy King, Will Perdue, Cliff Levinston, Dennis Hopson, Craig Hodges, Scott Williams off the bench. Hardly loaded. Lots of average to below average there.
who had a better roster?
Will the Sixers make a trade on draft day/ night, to get another high pick this year? If so, who do you want?(Dunn, Murray, Buddy Heild? other?) or should they stand pat with they have, Noel & Okafor and picks 24 & 26? Still, have potential top picks in next years draft(which is SUPPOSE to be a deep/good draft).
of the players you mentioned Murray is by far my 1st choice of those. I think he is going be great. I also really like Jaylen Brown from Cal. I think he ends up being really good too.
Not a big fan of Dunn's. He scares me a bit because he has the skills and athleticism but every time i saw him just seemed to be something off. Always seemed to miss a lot of shots or be in foul trouble. Also to me seemed like he lost his footing a lot. always seemed off balance.
I think Hield is going to be Robert Covington. Will make some shots but I don't see much upside to him.
Not just because I saw every game he played for 3 years but I think someone will get a very nice player when they take Deandre Bembry. I think Bembry is going to be an Andre Igoudala type. Athleticism and floor game to be a very effective NBA player.
What are the projected pics right now going to be?
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Please--just let this kid develop even a halfway decent jumper. Kid could be a monster in this league...
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Tom O.
"I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
-The Writer
At this point, I kinda think I would (since they are operating under the assumption Joel is healthy) and would take Murray. Don't love Murray but I feel like he would mesh well with Ben offensively as he's one of the best shooters in draft and doesn't need the ball in his hands all the time. Wish he was a better defender though but I think he avg 15+ a game right off the bat.
You'd probably be getting like 80 cents on the dollar but would start putting a more cohesive team together which is now what they need to start doing, with still more high level assets coming next year.
Tonight's gonna be fun. Finally!
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Saw a mock this morning that had Bembry going to the Sixers with one of their other picks.
Tom O.
"I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
-The Writer