Been checking the used bins latley as my dad bought my a record player for Xmas and need some vinyl. Is it me or are vinyl records expensive. What's a decent range that I should keep in mind? I checked one store yesterday and he had a ton of what I would have liked to get, but they were all either $20 or $30. They were all in bad condition in my opinion, you could see water stains on the bottom of a bunch of them. Just not looking to spend a fortune on used records. The $20-$30 range is what I used to buy records for when I was younger and they were new
2005 - London
2009 - Toronto
2010 - Buffalo
2011 - Toronto 1&2
2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
2014 - Cincinnati, St. Louis, Detroit
2016 - Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Ottawa, Toronto 1 2018 - Fenway 1&2 2022 - Hamilton, Toronto 2023 - Chicago 1&2
Been checking the used bins latley as my dad bought my a record player for Xmas and need some vinyl. Is it me or are vinyl records expensive. What's a decent range that I should keep in mind? I checked one store yesterday and he had a ton of what I would have liked to get, but they were all either $20 or $30. They were all in bad condition in my opinion, you could see water stains on the bottom of a bunch of them. Just not looking to spend a fortune on used records. The $20-$30 range is what I used to buy records for when I was younger and they were new
That's way overpriced, I guess depending on the release. My local has used between a few dollars to about $20 for a well known album. I can usually find used stuff I like for around $10. Lots of stores are just taking advantage of the vinyl resurgence and I think that is one of the reasons these brick and mortar stores are closing. Going online and purchasing records are much cheaper. If you don't mind using online resources, Discogs is a great resource and you can find really good deals.
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buck502000
Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
Make a trip to the US - don't be in a hurry to build your collection. Have fun.
Yesterday I picked up an NM copy of both Police- Zenyatta Mondatta and Stones - Tattoo You for $13 total, out the door...both original pressings. I feel like that's a little bit of an exception as it's hard to find good pressings that cheap I think. 20-30 bucks should absolutely get you a new single at about $20 and $30 for a double album, unless there is something special or unique about it.
Got these all on Discogs over the weekend. All are VG+ at worst, about half are NM-. Got a great deal on shipping as well. Trying to fill some gaps in my '80's collection...all original pressings.
Police - Synchronicity ($7) Police - Zenyatta Mondatta ($5) Bon Jovi - Slippery when wet ($11) Van Halen - 5150 ($4) Bruce Springsteen - Born in the USA ($5) Twisted Sister - Stay Hungry ($8) Quiet Riot - Metal Health ($3) .38 Special - Wild-Eyed Southern Boys ($3) Mr. Mister - Welcome to the Real World ($4)
Got these all on Discogs over the weekend. All are VG+ at worst, about half are NM-. Got a great deal on shipping as well. Trying to fill some gaps in my '80's collection...all original pressings.
Police - Synchronicity ($7) Police - Zenyatta Mondatta ($5) Bon Jovi - Slippery when wet ($11) Van Halen - 5150 ($4) Bruce Springsteen - Born in the USA ($5) Twisted Sister - Stay Hungry ($8) Quiet Riot - Metal Health ($3) .38 Special - Wild-Eyed Southern Boys ($3) Mr. Mister - Welcome to the Real World ($4)
ARe you saying you ordered all these from dealers on Discogs? I'm curious how Synchronicity is on vinyl...Zenyatta was really nice so now I want more...
Got these all on Discogs over the weekend. All are VG+ at worst, about half are NM-. Got a great deal on shipping as well. Trying to fill some gaps in my '80's collection...all original pressings.
Police - Synchronicity ($7) Police - Zenyatta Mondatta ($5) Bon Jovi - Slippery when wet ($11) Van Halen - 5150 ($4) Bruce Springsteen - Born in the USA ($5) Twisted Sister - Stay Hungry ($8) Quiet Riot - Metal Health ($3) .38 Special - Wild-Eyed Southern Boys ($3) Mr. Mister - Welcome to the Real World ($4)
ARe you saying you ordered all these from dealers on Discogs? I'm curious how Synchronicity is on vinyl...Zenyatta was really nice so now I want more...
Yeah, all from dealers on Discogs. There are so many versions of Syncronicity, it is almost overwhelming. I lost count of how many U.S. Pressings alone there were. I try to enter as many things into my want list as I can, that way when something becomes available for a decent price I get an email alert.
I'm curious how Synchronicity is on vinyl...Zenyatta was really nice so now I want more...
It's a great pressing. Make sure you get one that has Bob Ludwig's etchings on both sides (RL). Those are the ones you want. Like @mookieblalock said, there are a lot of different pressings.. vinyl type, variant covers... so do your research before getting one.
^^ I have the same pressing from MM, the black not the blue. Awesome, awesome album. Sounds so great.
Same here, one of my favorite and best sounding records to listen to.
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Summerfest - Jul 09, 1995*Savage Hall - Sep 22, 1996The Palace of Auburn Hills-Aug 23, 1998 Breslin Center- Aug 18, 1998,The Palace of Auburn Hills-Oct 07, 2000 DTE Energy Theatre-Jun5,2003,DTE Energy Music Theatre - Jun 26, 2003Sports Arena - Oct 02, 2004 Van Andel Arena - May 19, 2006Palace of Auburn Hills-May 22, 2006 Quicken Loans Arena-May 09, 2010
10-16-2014 Detroit
I'm curious how Synchronicity is on vinyl...Zenyatta was really nice so now I want more...
It's a great pressing. Make sure you get one that has Bob Ludwig's etchings on both sides (RL). Those are the ones you want. Like @mookieblalock said, there are a lot of different pressings.. vinyl type, variant covers... so do your research before getting one.
Yea, I have one that is in my trade in section of my collection. It's a little noisy for my taste, so everytime I hit a store... I look for another. One day will upgrade to a NM, hopefully. I could probably get one online, but the one I have is a used bin... so I kinda like hunting.,lol
The important part is to find RL etchings on BOTH sides. I have seen a lot that only have it on side 1.
Yea, I have one that is in my trade in section of my collection. It's a little noisy for my taste, so everytime I hit a store... I look for another. One day will upgrade to a NM, hopefully. I could probably get one online, but the one I have is a used bin... so I kinda like hunting.,lol
The important part is to find RL etchings on BOTH sides. I have seen a lot that only have it on side 1.
I found a purple RL available.. I don't knew of its etched on both sides. But it's a BYR I believe
Yea, I have one that is in my trade in section of my collection. It's a little noisy for my taste, so everytime I hit a store... I look for another. One day will upgrade to a NM, hopefully. I could probably get one online, but the one I have is a used bin... so I kinda like hunting.,lol
The important part is to find RL etchings on BOTH sides. I have seen a lot that only have it on side 1.
I found a purple RL available.. I don't knew of its etched on both sides. But it's a BYR I believe
If it's both sides, get it. You can get it with just side 1 RL, but you always be wondering how different a two side would be.
Got these all on Discogs over the weekend. All are VG+ at worst, about half are NM-. Got a great deal on shipping as well. Trying to fill some gaps in my '80's collection...all original pressings.
Police - Zenyatta Mondatta ($5)
Got that today for 10 bucks. I also got Making Movies by Dire Straits today as well. I just need On Every Street and the 2LP version of Brothers In Arms and I'll have all the studio DS albums. I have the shortened single lot of BIA.
Yea, I have one that is in my trade in section of my collection. It's a little noisy for my taste, so everytime I hit a store... I look for another. One day will upgrade to a NM, hopefully. I could probably get one online, but the one I have is a used bin... so I kinda like hunting.,lol
The important part is to find RL etchings on BOTH sides. I have seen a lot that only have it on side 1.
I found a purple RL available.. I don't knew of its etched on both sides. But it's a BYR I believe
If it's both sides, get it. You can get it with just side 1 RL, but you always be wondering how different a two side would be.
Why would RL be on one side but not the other, or why would it matter? Were the two side actually mastered by two different people?
When I look up the version (based on the number, the color (purple) and the color pattern of the front of the album, Discogs says it's mastered by RL.
Yea, I have one that is in my trade in section of my collection. It's a little noisy for my taste, so everytime I hit a store... I look for another. One day will upgrade to a NM, hopefully. I could probably get one online, but the one I have is a used bin... so I kinda like hunting.,lol
The important part is to find RL etchings on BOTH sides. I have seen a lot that only have it on side 1.
I found a purple RL available.. I don't knew of its etched on both sides. But it's a BYR I believe
If it's both sides, get it. You can get it with just side 1 RL, but you always be wondering how different a two side would be.
Why would RL be on one side but not the other, or why would it matter? Were the two side actually mastered by two different people?
When I look up the version (based on the number, the color (purple) and the color pattern of the front of the album, Discogs says it's mastered by RL.
With a pressing as popular as Synchronicity, they went through a lot of stampers and the only thing you know for sure is that it was mastered and cut at Masterdisk, because that should be stamped on both sides. But depending on how many lacquers they needed to create mothers and stampers... they could have other engineers at Masterdisk cut lacquers.
Now you could look at the handwriting on the side with no RL and if it matches... he might have just not signed that lacquer for some reason.
As far as I know, the way to tell you have a true complete Ludwig cut is to have his RL etchings on both sides. Now on Discogs, somone submitting just sees the RL, and includes the credit. It's not wrong, just not completely right.
Edit - Additional Note: Because my version is an RL both sides.. I just checked a 7" single I have of Every Breath You Take.. the A side is Masterdisk RL, but the B side is just Masterdisk. So I checked the hand writing,.... doesn't match. The number 4 on the the RL does not meet like a triangle (like this 4). On side B, the top of the four does meet. So in this case, a different engineer at Masterdisk cut the B side.
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Yea, I have one that is in my trade in section of my collection. It's a little noisy for my taste, so everytime I hit a store... I look for another. One day will upgrade to a NM, hopefully. I could probably get one online, but the one I have is a used bin... so I kinda like hunting.,lol
The important part is to find RL etchings on BOTH sides. I have seen a lot that only have it on side 1.
I found a purple RL available.. I don't knew of its etched on both sides. But it's a BYR I believe
If it's both sides, get it. You can get it with just side 1 RL, but you always be wondering how different a two side would be.
Why would RL be on one side but not the other, or why would it matter? Were the two side actually mastered by two different people?
When I look up the version (based on the number, the color (purple) and the color pattern of the front of the album, Discogs says it's mastered by RL.
With a pressing as popular as Synchronicity, they went through a lot of stampers and the only thing you know for sure is that it was mastered and cut at Masterdisk, because that should be stamped on both sides. But depending on how many lacquers they needed to create mothers and stampers... they could have other engineers at Masterdisk cut lacquers.
Now you could look at the handwriting on the side with no RL and if it matches... he might have just not signed that lacquer for some reason.
As far as I know, the way to tell you have a true complete Ludwig cut is to have his RL etchings on both sides. Now on Discogs, somone submitting just sees the RL, and includes the credit. It's not wrong, just not completely right.
Edit - Additional Note: Because my version is an RL both sides.. I just checked a 7" single I have of Every Breath You Take.. the A side is Masterdisk RL, but the B side is just Masterdisk. So I checked the hand writing,.... doesn't match. The number 4 on the the RL does not meet like a triangle (like this 4). On side B, the top of the four does meet. So in this case, a different engineer at Masterdisk cut the B side.
Listened to Synchronicity this morning, side one does sound better. The search will continue - thanks MendozK for the new info.
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Got these all on Discogs over the weekend. All are VG+ at worst, about half are NM-. Got a great deal on shipping as well. Trying to fill some gaps in my '80's collection...all original pressings.
Police - Synchronicity ($7) Police - Zenyatta Mondatta ($5) Bon Jovi - Slippery when wet ($11) Van Halen - 5150 ($4) Bruce Springsteen - Born in the USA ($5) Twisted Sister - Stay Hungry ($8) Quiet Riot - Metal Health ($3) .38 Special - Wild-Eyed Southern Boys ($3) Mr. Mister - Welcome to the Real World ($4)
ARe you saying you ordered all these from dealers on Discogs? I'm curious how Synchronicity is on vinyl...Zenyatta was really nice so now I want more...
Yeah, all from dealers on Discogs. There are so many versions of Syncronicity, it is almost overwhelming. I lost count of how many U.S. Pressings alone there were. I try to enter as many things into my want list as I can, that way when something becomes available for a decent price I get an email alert.
Any tips for a Discogs newbie? I'm trying to fill in a few gaps in my collection, I've checked out a few listings on there but I haven't bought from anyone there yet. Do you have any pointers for what to look out for? I'm naturally cynical and skeptical, so I'm hesitant about trying new sites. Thanks!
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Yea, I have one that is in my trade in section of my collection. It's a little noisy for my taste, so everytime I hit a store... I look for another. One day will upgrade to a NM, hopefully. I could probably get one online, but the one I have is a used bin... so I kinda like hunting.,lol
The important part is to find RL etchings on BOTH sides. I have seen a lot that only have it on side 1.
I found a purple RL available.. I don't knew of its etched on both sides. But it's a BYR I believe
If it's both sides, get it. You can get it with just side 1 RL, but you always be wondering how different a two side would be.
Why would RL be on one side but not the other, or why would it matter? Were the two side actually mastered by two different people?
When I look up the version (based on the number, the color (purple) and the color pattern of the front of the album, Discogs says it's mastered by RL.
With a pressing as popular as Synchronicity, they went through a lot of stampers and the only thing you know for sure is that it was mastered and cut at Masterdisk, because that should be stamped on both sides. But depending on how many lacquers they needed to create mothers and stampers... they could have other engineers at Masterdisk cut lacquers.
Now you could look at the handwriting on the side with no RL and if it matches... he might have just not signed that lacquer for some reason.
As far as I know, the way to tell you have a true complete Ludwig cut is to have his RL etchings on both sides. Now on Discogs, somone submitting just sees the RL, and includes the credit. It's not wrong, just not completely right.
Edit - Additional Note: Because my version is an RL both sides.. I just checked a 7" single I have of Every Breath You Take.. the A side is Masterdisk RL, but the B side is just Masterdisk. So I checked the hand writing,.... doesn't match. The number 4 on the the RL does not meet like a triangle (like this 4). On side B, the top of the four does meet. So in this case, a different engineer at Masterdisk cut the B side.
Listened to Synchronicity this morning, side one does sound better. The search will continue - thanks MendozK for the new info.
Ugh... And you have RL on just one side? The better sounding side?
Also, do you have the purple vinyl? It needs to be held up to light to tell.
Got these all on Discogs over the weekend. All are VG+ at worst, about half are NM-. Got a great deal on shipping as well. Trying to fill some gaps in my '80's collection...all original pressings.
Police - Synchronicity ($7) Police - Zenyatta Mondatta ($5) Bon Jovi - Slippery when wet ($11) Van Halen - 5150 ($4) Bruce Springsteen - Born in the USA ($5) Twisted Sister - Stay Hungry ($8) Quiet Riot - Metal Health ($3) .38 Special - Wild-Eyed Southern Boys ($3) Mr. Mister - Welcome to the Real World ($4)
ARe you saying you ordered all these from dealers on Discogs? I'm curious how Synchronicity is on vinyl...Zenyatta was really nice so now I want more...
Yeah, all from dealers on Discogs. There are so many versions of Syncronicity, it is almost overwhelming. I lost count of how many U.S. Pressings alone there were. I try to enter as many things into my want list as I can, that way when something becomes available for a decent price I get an email alert.
Any tips for a Discogs newbie? I'm trying to fill in a few gaps in my collection, I've checked out a few listings on there but I haven't bought from anyone there yet. Do you have any pointers for what to look out for? I'm naturally cynical and skeptical, so I'm hesitant about trying new sites. Thanks!
Best thing to do is if you are looking for specific pressings or conditions, just ask the seller questions before you purchase and see if they can confirm things for you.
Yea, I have one that is in my trade in section of my collection. It's a little noisy for my taste, so everytime I hit a store... I look for another. One day will upgrade to a NM, hopefully. I could probably get one online, but the one I have is a used bin... so I kinda like hunting.,lol
The important part is to find RL etchings on BOTH sides. I have seen a lot that only have it on side 1.
I found a purple RL available.. I don't knew of its etched on both sides. But it's a BYR I believe
If it's both sides, get it. You can get it with just side 1 RL, but you always be wondering how different a two side would be.
Why would RL be on one side but not the other, or why would it matter? Were the two side actually mastered by two different people?
When I look up the version (based on the number, the color (purple) and the color pattern of the front of the album, Discogs says it's mastered by RL.
With a pressing as popular as Synchronicity, they went through a lot of stampers and the only thing you know for sure is that it was mastered and cut at Masterdisk, because that should be stamped on both sides. But depending on how many lacquers they needed to create mothers and stampers... they could have other engineers at Masterdisk cut lacquers.
Now you could look at the handwriting on the side with no RL and if it matches... he might have just not signed that lacquer for some reason.
As far as I know, the way to tell you have a true complete Ludwig cut is to have his RL etchings on both sides. Now on Discogs, somone submitting just sees the RL, and includes the credit. It's not wrong, just not completely right.
Edit - Additional Note: Because my version is an RL both sides.. I just checked a 7" single I have of Every Breath You Take.. the A side is Masterdisk RL, but the B side is just Masterdisk. So I checked the hand writing,.... doesn't match. The number 4 on the the RL does not meet like a triangle (like this 4). On side B, the top of the four does meet. So in this case, a different engineer at Masterdisk cut the B side.
Listened to Synchronicity this morning, side one does sound better. The search will continue - thanks MendozK for the new info.
Ugh... And you have RL on just one side? The better sounding side?
Also, do you have the purple vinyl? It needs to be held up to light to tell.
How annoying.
Don't think of it as annoying, think of it as a better hunt. The internet has made is so easy. Just think how hard it would be to find that specific pressing in 1985.
Yea, I have one that is in my trade in section of my collection. It's a little noisy for my taste, so everytime I hit a store... I look for another. One day will upgrade to a NM, hopefully. I could probably get one online, but the one I have is a used bin... so I kinda like hunting.,lol
The important part is to find RL etchings on BOTH sides. I have seen a lot that only have it on side 1.
I found a purple RL available.. I don't knew of its etched on both sides. But it's a BYR I believe
If it's both sides, get it. You can get it with just side 1 RL, but you always be wondering how different a two side would be.
Why would RL be on one side but not the other, or why would it matter? Were the two side actually mastered by two different people?
When I look up the version (based on the number, the color (purple) and the color pattern of the front of the album, Discogs says it's mastered by RL.
With a pressing as popular as Synchronicity, they went through a lot of stampers and the only thing you know for sure is that it was mastered and cut at Masterdisk, because that should be stamped on both sides. But depending on how many lacquers they needed to create mothers and stampers... they could have other engineers at Masterdisk cut lacquers.
Now you could look at the handwriting on the side with no RL and if it matches... he might have just not signed that lacquer for some reason.
As far as I know, the way to tell you have a true complete Ludwig cut is to have his RL etchings on both sides. Now on Discogs, somone submitting just sees the RL, and includes the credit. It's not wrong, just not completely right.
Edit - Additional Note: Because my version is an RL both sides.. I just checked a 7" single I have of Every Breath You Take.. the A side is Masterdisk RL, but the B side is just Masterdisk. So I checked the hand writing,.... doesn't match. The number 4 on the the RL does not meet like a triangle (like this 4). On side B, the top of the four does meet. So in this case, a different engineer at Masterdisk cut the B side.
Listened to Synchronicity this morning, side one does sound better. The search will continue - thanks MendozK for the new info.
Ugh... And you have RL on just one side? The better sounding side?
Also, do you have the purple vinyl? It needs to be held up to light to tell.
How annoying.
Don't think of it as annoying, think of it as a better hunt. The internet has made is so easy. Just think how hard it would be to find that specific pressing in 1988.
Here's what I gleaned (or decided..) through all of the information and misinformation:
1. There are indeed a rare few copies with RL on both sides. Some believe this was relegated to the promo copies only. 2. The Columbia Record Company ones were cut by them and shitty (CRC) 3. Several said it didn't make a difference if the RL was on one side or both. They were all cut by Masterdisk. Again, point of disagreement maybe. 4. It appears... that the difference may be the vinyl itself (vs the mastering or pressing). The purple one appears to be on the KC-600 vinyl which is evidently better quality than the black. There is also a brownish one, perhaps Quiex.
I will probably pick up a purple one in short order and see if I can hear a difference between the two sides, if only one is stamped RL. I think one side is probably a longer run than the other so that could have a slight impact on the sound.
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buck502000
Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
Yea, I have one that is in my trade in section of my collection. It's a little noisy for my taste, so everytime I hit a store... I look for another. One day will upgrade to a NM, hopefully. I could probably get one online, but the one I have is a used bin... so I kinda like hunting.,lol
The important part is to find RL etchings on BOTH sides. I have seen a lot that only have it on side 1.
I found a purple RL available.. I don't knew of its etched on both sides. But it's a BYR I believe
If it's both sides, get it. You can get it with just side 1 RL, but you always be wondering how different a two side would be.
Why would RL be on one side but not the other, or why would it matter? Were the two side actually mastered by two different people?
When I look up the version (based on the number, the color (purple) and the color pattern of the front of the album, Discogs says it's mastered by RL.
With a pressing as popular as Synchronicity, they went through a lot of stampers and the only thing you know for sure is that it was mastered and cut at Masterdisk, because that should be stamped on both sides. But depending on how many lacquers they needed to create mothers and stampers... they could have other engineers at Masterdisk cut lacquers.
Now you could look at the handwriting on the side with no RL and if it matches... he might have just not signed that lacquer for some reason.
As far as I know, the way to tell you have a true complete Ludwig cut is to have his RL etchings on both sides. Now on Discogs, somone submitting just sees the RL, and includes the credit. It's not wrong, just not completely right.
Edit - Additional Note: Because my version is an RL both sides.. I just checked a 7" single I have of Every Breath You Take.. the A side is Masterdisk RL, but the B side is just Masterdisk. So I checked the hand writing,.... doesn't match. The number 4 on the the RL does not meet like a triangle (like this 4). On side B, the top of the four does meet. So in this case, a different engineer at Masterdisk cut the B side.
Listened to Synchronicity this morning, side one does sound better. The search will continue - thanks MendozK for the new info.
Ugh... And you have RL on just one side? The better sounding side?
Also, do you have the purple vinyl? It needs to be held up to light to tell.
How annoying.
just the regular release I picked up for $1 - it's black - not really too annoyed - just part of the fun which is record collecting.....
Yea, I have one that is in my trade in section of my collection. It's a little noisy for my taste, so everytime I hit a store... I look for another. One day will upgrade to a NM, hopefully. I could probably get one online, but the one I have is a used bin... so I kinda like hunting.,lol
The important part is to find RL etchings on BOTH sides. I have seen a lot that only have it on side 1.
I found a purple RL available.. I don't knew of its etched on both sides. But it's a BYR I believe
If it's both sides, get it. You can get it with just side 1 RL, but you always be wondering how different a two side would be.
Why would RL be on one side but not the other, or why would it matter? Were the two side actually mastered by two different people?
When I look up the version (based on the number, the color (purple) and the color pattern of the front of the album, Discogs says it's mastered by RL.
With a pressing as popular as Synchronicity, they went through a lot of stampers and the only thing you know for sure is that it was mastered and cut at Masterdisk, because that should be stamped on both sides. But depending on how many lacquers they needed to create mothers and stampers... they could have other engineers at Masterdisk cut lacquers.
Now you could look at the handwriting on the side with no RL and if it matches... he might have just not signed that lacquer for some reason.
As far as I know, the way to tell you have a true complete Ludwig cut is to have his RL etchings on both sides. Now on Discogs, somone submitting just sees the RL, and includes the credit. It's not wrong, just not completely right.
Edit - Additional Note: Because my version is an RL both sides.. I just checked a 7" single I have of Every Breath You Take.. the A side is Masterdisk RL, but the B side is just Masterdisk. So I checked the hand writing,.... doesn't match. The number 4 on the the RL does not meet like a triangle (like this 4). On side B, the top of the four does meet. So in this case, a different engineer at Masterdisk cut the B side.
Listened to Synchronicity this morning, side one does sound better. The search will continue - thanks MendozK for the new info.
Ugh... And you have RL on just one side? The better sounding side?
Also, do you have the purple vinyl? It needs to be held up to light to tell.
How annoying.
Don't think of it as annoying, think of it as a better hunt. The internet has made is so easy. Just think how hard it would be to find that specific pressing in 1988.
Here's what I gleaned (or decided..) through all of the information and misinformation:
1. There are indeed a rare few copies with RL on both sides. Some believe this was relegated to the promo copies only. 2. The Columbia Record Company ones were cut by them and shitty (CRC) 3. Several said it didn't make a difference if the RL was on one side or both. They were all cut by Masterdisk. Again, point of disagreement maybe. 4. It appears... that the difference may be the vinyl itself (vs the mastering or pressing). The purple one appears to be on the KC-600 vinyl which is evidently better quality than the black. There is also a brownish one, perhaps Quiex.
I will probably pick up a purple one in short order and see if I can hear a difference between the two sides, if only one is stamped RL. I think one side is probably a longer run than the other so that could have a slight impact on the sound.
It should still sound good, because the cut is from the same Masterdisk master, no matter what engineer cut it.
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2010 - Buffalo
2011 - Toronto 1&2
2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
2014 - Cincinnati, St. Louis, Detroit
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2022 - Hamilton, Toronto
2023 - Chicago 1&2
Police - Synchronicity ($7)
Police - Zenyatta Mondatta ($5)
Bon Jovi - Slippery when wet ($11)
Van Halen - 5150 ($4)
Bruce Springsteen - Born in the USA ($5)
Twisted Sister - Stay Hungry ($8)
Quiet Riot - Metal Health ($3)
.38 Special - Wild-Eyed Southern Boys ($3)
Mr. Mister - Welcome to the Real World ($4)
Summerfest - Jul 09, 1995*Savage Hall - Sep 22, 1996The Palace of Auburn Hills-Aug 23, 1998 Breslin Center- Aug 18, 1998,The Palace of Auburn Hills-Oct 07, 2000 DTE Energy Theatre-Jun5,2003,DTE Energy Music Theatre - Jun 26, 2003Sports Arena - Oct 02, 2004 Van Andel Arena - May 19, 2006Palace of Auburn Hills-May 22, 2006 Quicken Loans Arena-May 09, 2010
10-16-2014 Detroit
The important part is to find RL etchings on BOTH sides. I have seen a lot that only have it on side 1.
When I look up the version (based on the number, the color (purple) and the color pattern of the front of the album, Discogs says it's mastered by RL.
Now you could look at the handwriting on the side with no RL and if it matches... he might have just not signed that lacquer for some reason.
As far as I know, the way to tell you have a true complete Ludwig cut is to have his RL etchings on both sides. Now on Discogs, somone submitting just sees the RL, and includes the credit. It's not wrong, just not completely right.
Edit - Additional Note: Because my version is an RL both sides.. I just checked a 7" single I have of Every Breath You Take.. the A side is Masterdisk RL, but the B side is just Masterdisk. So I checked the hand writing,.... doesn't match. The number 4 on the the RL does not meet like a triangle (like this 4). On side B, the top of the four does meet. So in this case, a different engineer at Masterdisk cut the B side.
Thanks!
(Jeff Tweedy, Sydney 2007)
“Put yer good money on the sunrise”
(Tim Rogers)
Also, do you have the purple vinyl? It needs to be held up to light to tell.
How annoying.
Here's what I gleaned (or decided..) through all of the information and misinformation:
1. There are indeed a rare few copies with RL on both sides. Some believe this was relegated to the promo copies only.
2. The Columbia Record Company ones were cut by them and shitty (CRC)
3. Several said it didn't make a difference if the RL was on one side or both. They were all cut by Masterdisk. Again, point of disagreement maybe.
4. It appears... that the difference may be the vinyl itself (vs the mastering or pressing). The purple one appears to be on the KC-600 vinyl which is evidently better quality than the black. There is also a brownish one, perhaps Quiex.
I will probably pick up a purple one in short order and see if I can hear a difference between the two sides, if only one is stamped RL. I think one side is probably a longer run than the other so that could have a slight impact on the sound.