I just wanted to give everyone an update. I was contacted by the guy who took the bottle of wine. He seems to be sincerely sorry. He clearly was drinking a lot that day and feels horrible about what he did. I have accepted his apology and we are talking it out. He wants to drive to NY to return the bottle to me in person. I appreciate everyone's support SO much. But it is also important to me that no one acts out on him if they see him in the future. 2 wrongs do not make a right. He did something terrible to a fellow fan, but has recognized it and apologized and would like to apologize to the entire Pearl Jam community . I would like to put this behind me and move forward with forgiveness. He would like to as well. Thanks
I edited my original post as well. Peace.
Let me & Adam escort you on the night of the exchange we are sure to put a scare into him but really if you need anything let me know and i'm really happy that it seems to be working it's self out like you deserve it ..
Good you are getting an apology. Did he randomly go out of his way to seek you out, or did it take all your work and finding him to get him to apologize?
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My friend and i delt with him before the show and immediately became aware of his antics... So, the fact that you are subjecting yourself to anything more of him or the situation, besides proper punishment for him, makes me really wonder about the op.
I am sure he is really sorry...sorry not for what he did, but sorry he got caught (identified)
bring someone with you, I wouldn't trust him for shit
I pretty much agree with this. Have him mail it somewhere (do NOT give him your home address), or at least get HIS home address. He may be sorry, but part of this is the fact that this was not a one time occurrence. How do we know he wouldn't try something with someone else in the future? He's just trying to extricate himself from the reality that he's persona non grata around here now IMO.
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Let me & Adam escort you on the night of the exchange we are sure to put a scare into him but really if you need anything let me know and i'm really happy that it seems to be working it's self out like you deserve it ..
Word.
I will bust out my ninja turtle moves! So easy a caveman could do it!
Seriously, C, have him ship it. No reason for there to be a meeting. If it must happen, make sure its at a public place and that you have someone with you. Good luck.
ill be honest ... i dont get it...........how can you forgive ANYONE after doing what he did to you......not for nothing but its kinda like "battered wife syndrome" ...... the wife gets beat up for years and NEVER PRESSES CHARGES ...and still sleeps in the same bed .... and there is something wrong if you still want that bottle and willing to meet him to get it.... Its an empty bottle with HORRIBLE MEMORIES
im sorry i just dont get it ...........................and i kinda dont want to
i guess im "happy" your getting your bottle back ..?..???????
But didn't he previously assault, threaten, or steal from other 10c women (sorry, don't remember the exact details, but he at least cornered another woman in the ladies room in a threatening way)
If the OP wants to forgive him in exchange for the bottle, that's her choice. But everyone else should still feel free to shun him (or whatever ) the next time they seem him at a concert. Tigers don't change their stripes and you've got to be pretty naive to believe that they do.
How will you know if he even gives you the original bottle back? Isn't it possible he could go buy
a bottle of the same wine and give you that bottle? I mean he is a Canadian Rangers fan after all!
That should tell you something right there. ha ha
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I dont plan to meet him because I just do not think it is a good idea.
You cant press charges for what he did according to the Philly PD. I wasnt touched in any "inappropriate" places and I was not injured. Either was the other girl. According to authorities that is what seems to matter. So at this point, there is nothing I can do. I did what I thought was best, and that was to let others know so this does not happen to them. I accepted his apology and if he wants to give me the bottle back to make himself feel better, I will accept it (via mail). I will never know if it is the real bottle, and what he did cannot be reversed. It doesn't mean what I though he did was right. I certainly wouldn't compare it to a battered wife. I have no relationship with this person, nor do I intend to. But I also dont think violence solves anything and 2 wrongs don't make a right.
I am sure he is really sorry...sorry not for what he did, but sorry he got caught (identified)
bring someone with you, I wouldn't trust him for shit
Can't say I disagree. I just hope he never does this again. That is what is most important to me. If that is accomplished, bottle or no bottle, I am content.
Let me & Adam escort you on the night of the exchange we are sure to put a scare into him but really if you need anything let me know and i'm really happy that it seems to be working it's self out like you deserve it ..
Word.
I will bust out my ninja turtle moves! So easy a caveman could do it!
Seriously, C, have him ship it. No reason for there to be a meeting. If it must happen, make sure its at a public place and that you have someone with you. Good luck.
I deleted the line in my post about him wanting to deliver it to me in person because people read into it (should I be shocked?!?!? lol). I do not intend to meet him in person. No worries. I don't care about the damned bottle anymore. Its not the point here. I just hope it was a lesson learned and he treats people with respect. And I dont want to be responsible for him catching a beating. I just wanted everyone to be aware and hoped he would never do such a thing again. Hopefully that was accomplished here.
I still think we should sacrifice him....for harvest.
OP you must be a devout forgiving Catholic?
Sorry but I'd still want to break his bones.
It only bothers me because i'm sure he was only apologizing to not catch flack from anyone here or get kicked out of shows.. It takes a real low human being to do what he did, drinking and drugs or not... Ive drank my share and never acted like that... I'm glad that all has been forgiven but still bothers me that there's people like him in this world..
I still think we should sacrifice him....for harvest.
OP you must be a devout forgiving Catholic?
Sorry but I'd still want to break his bones.
It only bothers me because i'm sure he was only apologizing to not catch flack from anyone here or get kicked out of shows.. It takes a real low human being to do what he did, drinking and drugs or not... Ive drank my share and never acted like that... I'm glad that all has been forgiven but still bothers me that there's people like him in this world..
Right with you there Mandi.
I still say we sacrifice him........for harvest.
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I still think we should sacrifice him....for harvest.
OP you must be a devout forgiving Catholic?
Sorry but I'd still want to break his bones.
It only bothers me because i'm sure he was only apologizing to not catch flack from anyone here or get kicked out of shows.. It takes a real low human being to do what he did, drinking and drugs or not... Ive drank my share and never acted like that... I'm glad that all has been forgiven but still bothers me that there's people like him in this world..
Right with you there Mandi.
I still say we sacrifice him........for harvest.
In all honesty, the crops really could use some extra help this year
It only bothers me because i'm sure he was only apologizing to not catch flack from anyone here or get kicked out of shows.. It takes a real low human being to do what he did, drinking and drugs or not... Ive drank my share and never acted like that... I'm glad that all has been forgiven but still bothers me that there's people like him in this world..
Yes, he chose a very convenient time to apologize and patch things up.
I'm sure many of us have done something embarrassing or regrettable after we've had a lot to drink, but bullying, intimidating, and harassing women (there were two incidents that we know of) is something that you have within, whether drunk or sober. Furthermore, people didn't seem to have positive experiences with him while he was sober either, so ...
Forgiveness is a great thing, but this guy is a bully and people should be aware.
I would "strongly advise" him to donate $500 to the charity of your choice as a true apology. This would serve as sort of a punishment to him, and would help out a needy cause.
Anyone can say "I'm sorry", but if there is a real price attached, he will show how sorry he really is!
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Hope you get your bottle back... better late than never!
Let me & Adam escort you on the night of the exchange
and for side news. Who ever had the bet that she would get the bottle back BEFORE the Philly Bootlegs came out...please claim your prize.
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Great message, OP!
bring someone with you, I wouldn't trust him for shit
Tell him to pack your bottle really well. Ship it overnight to your local post office, and PM you the tracking info.
Case closed.
My friend and i delt with him before the show and immediately became aware of his antics... So, the fact that you are subjecting yourself to anything more of him or the situation, besides proper punishment for him, makes me really wonder about the op.
boo hoo I have a drinking problem
this place is stranger than fiction
I pretty much agree with this. Have him mail it somewhere (do NOT give him your home address), or at least get HIS home address. He may be sorry, but part of this is the fact that this was not a one time occurrence. How do we know he wouldn't try something with someone else in the future? He's just trying to extricate himself from the reality that he's persona non grata around here now IMO.
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I will bust out my ninja turtle moves! So easy a caveman could do it!
Seriously, C, have him ship it. No reason for there to be a meeting. If it must happen, make sure its at a public place and that you have someone with you. Good luck.
im sorry i just dont get it ...........................and i kinda dont want to
i guess im "happy" your getting your bottle back ..?..???????
If the OP wants to forgive him in exchange for the bottle, that's her choice. But everyone else should still feel free to shun him (or whatever ) the next time they seem him at a concert. Tigers don't change their stripes and you've got to be pretty naive to believe that they do.
a bottle of the same wine and give you that bottle? I mean he is a Canadian Rangers fan after all!
That should tell you something right there. ha ha
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You cant press charges for what he did according to the Philly PD. I wasnt touched in any "inappropriate" places and I was not injured. Either was the other girl. According to authorities that is what seems to matter. So at this point, there is nothing I can do. I did what I thought was best, and that was to let others know so this does not happen to them. I accepted his apology and if he wants to give me the bottle back to make himself feel better, I will accept it (via mail). I will never know if it is the real bottle, and what he did cannot be reversed. It doesn't mean what I though he did was right. I certainly wouldn't compare it to a battered wife. I have no relationship with this person, nor do I intend to. But I also dont think violence solves anything and 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Can't say I disagree. I just hope he never does this again. That is what is most important to me. If that is accomplished, bottle or no bottle, I am content.
I deleted the line in my post about him wanting to deliver it to me in person because people read into it (should I be shocked?!?!? lol). I do not intend to meet him in person. No worries. I don't care about the damned bottle anymore. Its not the point here. I just hope it was a lesson learned and he treats people with respect. And I dont want to be responsible for him catching a beating. I just wanted everyone to be aware and hoped he would never do such a thing again. Hopefully that was accomplished here.
I think it saved him from getting removed from shows or a major conflict with one of the loons on this board
He should be banned from shows and If I was the OP I would tell this piece of shit to shove his apology and that bottle up his ass.
OP you must be a devout forgiving Catholic?
Sorry but I'd still want to break his bones.
It only bothers me because i'm sure he was only apologizing to not catch flack from anyone here or get kicked out of shows.. It takes a real low human being to do what he did, drinking and drugs or not... Ive drank my share and never acted like that... I'm glad that all has been forgiven but still bothers me that there's people like him in this world..
Right with you there Mandi.
I still say we sacrifice him........for harvest.
In all honesty, the crops really could use some extra help this year
if he does come in that outfit someone is gonna say something
wheter it be boston or hartford or ny
Yes, he chose a very convenient time to apologize and patch things up.
I'm sure many of us have done something embarrassing or regrettable after we've had a lot to drink, but bullying, intimidating, and harassing women (there were two incidents that we know of) is something that you have within, whether drunk or sober. Furthermore, people didn't seem to have positive experiences with him while he was sober either, so ...
Forgiveness is a great thing, but this guy is a bully and people should be aware.
Anyone can say "I'm sorry", but if there is a real price attached, he will show how sorry he really is!
$$ can't buy forgiveness, but it can help those in need!