We need to realize that this isn't the casual fan sale. This is the fan club ticket sale. FAN CLUB. You need to be a die hard fan of a band to join a paid membership of a fan club. And why do you buy? 1st reason people will say as great as Deep Magazine is, is to get tickets. This isn't a lack of a buzz within the music community about Pearl Jam, this is a lack of a buzz within the Pearl Jam community about Pearl Jam.
But I myself am a relatively newcomer to the band and don't know how shows sold in previous tours. Perhaps we are the only ones who overhyped ability to get tickets?
Its not a lack of buzz within the pearl jam comminuty either.
its a lack of knowledge about how this whole system works.
this might have been mentioned already, but i'm too lazy to read all the posts. In 2006 people got shut out of Grand Rapids. My buddy had to get them from his sister's boss. The company she worked for had season tickets to the arena. So people were getting shut out. As for all the south bashing, people need to realize that not everyone is a shoeless banjo player down here. I grew up in the North East and moved to Atlanta for work, and that is extremely common in our neck of the woods. Alot of you guys sound like my moron former best friend who refuses to speak to me because I took a job down here when there were no teaching jobs in my hometown. That guy is an asshole. Don't be like him.
I hope the south comment ist direct at me, because I have been defending the south and the "lackluster sales"...
But your other comment.....apprently there were some probs with Grand Rapids.....perhaps becasue it is a WAY smaller venue than the rest of them?
And yeah, MSG had some issues too.....perhaps becasue there are 14 million people trying to cram into two shows????
Isolated incidents aside.....there were not widespread problems for the 2006 North America tour and the 05 Canadian tour.
I agree with what you said concerning the recession but not the ticket prices. I think that extra $48 makes a difference. I posted earlier how in college for the 2000 tour i went to three shows for about $100. Now eight years later that would be $210. I would say it was easier for me to come up with $100 eight years ago v. coming up with $210 today (if i were a college student now).
I believe minimum wage has increase significantly since then too, no?
There's Pearl Jam, The Rolling Stones, Chuck Berry, Robert Johnson......and then everybody else.
The recession argument holds no water with me (and yes I believe there is a recession right now). If the recession is to blame, than ticket prices would be of no concern. Those who are in dire straits would not be able to afford tickets if they were $80 per pair. I stand by my statement that if you can't afford $148 to spend on tickets, you can't afford $100 either. Anyone who maxes out a credit card or takes food off of their table to travel and follow a band deserves to be part of the recession.
Many are looking to blame everyone else for this recession when it indeed has two portions of blame in the largest sector of the recession (The home/mortgage market). Half of the blame falls on the institutions offering loans to those unqualified and half of the blame goes to the individuals who spent beyond their means.
It is really a necessity to be much more long sighted when blaming a recession on people not being able to afford an extra $40 for concert tickets.
There's a fair amount of ambiguity to your post but you are more than entitled to you opinion no matter how convoluted another might find it. Money is usually the issue, more so than not having a new album out or a hit song, for not just snapping up tickets to a show and having it sell out in 5 minutes. Especially if there’s travel that might be involved. No additional sight, long or short, is required to figure that out.
I'm going with the simplest answer... they arranged it so that there are enough tickets available for 10C members who want them in a certain time period.
Everyone has complained that there's never enough volume of posters/tickets/whatever to go around. Now there is. That says a lot in and of itself. I really think it's that simple.
There's a fair amount of ambiguity to your post but you are more than entitled to you opinion no matter how convoluted another might find it. Money is usually the issue, more so than not having a new album out or a hit song, for not just snapping up tickets to a show and having it sell out in 5 minutes. Especially if there’s travel that might be involved. No additional sight, long or short, is required to figure that out.
I will agree with the idea that money usually is the issue as it pertains to government and most corporations big and small. In this instance, I just don't believe money plays the key role here. I am perfectly fine agreeing to disagree. My last point would be that history shows that everytime any announcement is made on this site, there is a large group of people that will complain no matter what.
Cheers, and see you on the tour.
There's Pearl Jam, The Rolling Stones, Chuck Berry, Robert Johnson......and then everybody else.
I hope the south comment ist direct at me, because I have been defending the south and the "lackluster sales"...
But your other comment.....apprently there were some probs with Grand Rapids.....perhaps becasue it is a WAY smaller venue than the rest of them?
And yeah, MSG had some issues too.....perhaps becasue there are 14 million people trying to cram into two shows????
Isolated incidents aside.....there were not widespread problems for the 2006 North America tour and the 05 Canadian tour.
i wasn't directing the south comment at you I agree with what you were saying, more people want to go to MSG. There's a bigger fan base in the NE. It's just the tone of some of the other posts are silly. It's almost like some of the members are saying "Nah nah the north is better than the south". I get that alot when I go up north to visit family and friends I'll be thrilled if there aren't a lot of people in Tampa, my 189 member number should get me some pretty sweet seats.
i wasn't directing the south comment at you I agree with what you were saying, more people want to go to MSG. There's a bigger fan base in the NE. It's just the tone of some of the other posts are silly. It's almost like some of the members are saying "Nah nah the north is better than the south". I get that alot when I go up north to visit family and friends I'll be thrilled if there aren't a lot of people in Tampa, my 189 member number should get me some pretty sweet seats.
It also may have to do with many of the shows being on weekdays. More people would probably travel from further distances if some of the shows were on the weekends. I'm always ready to spend some vacation time to see Pearl Jam, but I've only got so much of it so I have to plan accordingly. I like to use the opportunity visit cities I've never been to, but those Tues, Wed, Thur, shows mean you have to take vacation a couple of days before or after as well.
For every normal tour it has not been hard to get 10C tickets. For the most part, anyone who wants them, gets them. The only time it has been difficult (VFC and other '05 dates) the 10C specifically stated that tickets were extremely limited.
I wish the 10C would just tell us, but I do not buy into this 10% theory one bit. In Camden '06, almost all seats went to the 10C. That is around 7500 seats I believe. Cap. is 25,000. I dont think that 5000 of those seats went to season ticket holders.
I really doubt that demand is down that much. Pearl Jam has had the same fan base since '96-98. It's been the same people buying tickets and their albums for the last 10 years.
I'm guessing that the 10C had way more than 10% of the venues. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.
I think it has a lot to do with money right now. Disposable income isn't quite there anymore (thanks recession). The economy sucks. People are afraid to take off work. So, I think that people are just trying to get to shows as close to home as possible. However, ticketmaster will announce the shows and they will sell out. I already had a friend today asking me how to get tickets and he's not in the 10c. He goes "I need a code!!!" He was so pissed he had to wait. I can't imagine he's the only one. There are people who really like Pearl Jam who aren't fanatics. There are tons of bands I would go see that I don't belong to their fan clubs. I also think there will be a lot less traveling this tour. It's right after the Eddie solo tour and it seems like people are traveling for that (I know I am). I have a good job, but I'm sure not printing money in the basement (if only...).
- Sudden announcement and prior engagements. Most bands pla their tour a good six months in advance and let the public know. It seemed like this time around PJ just scrambled at the last minute and decided to do a small tour with Bonarroo. I'm guessing it's so they can get a feeling for playing together again before they go into the studio.
- Not much hype surrounding the band this tour. They haven't released a new album or anything so the label is not promoting these shows much, or at all.
- Economics. The economy is in a recession, not matter what they say. Gas is at an all time high, as well as tix. Some people just probably cannot afford to pay $148 a pair then book hotel rooms and flights for the band's limited regional dates.
Oh half his life, a hand me down, wasted away
Of he fills it up, with the love, of a girl...
you know, this is really kinda funny. when it was the south shows selling slow, it was because we suck. now that the north shows are selling equally as slow, it's the economy, right? whatever
i dont think its the "new" material factor as much because this is only a tenclub presale not a radio presale or something...i think its the cost of tickets and once again im not ripping the band here im ripping the concert business itself! they have priced themselves out now! when gas costs are hitting $4 a gallon people have to think twice
you know, this is really kinda funny. when it was the south shows selling slow, it was because we suck. now that the north shows are selling equally as slow, it's the economy, right? whatever
Look out!!! Camden AND D.C. Temporarily Out Of Stock!!
Down the street you can hear her scream youre a disgrace
As she slams the door in his drunken face
And now he stands outside
And all the neighbours start to gossip and drool
He cries oh, girl you must be mad,
What happened to the sweet love you and me had?
Against the door he leans and starts a scene,
And his tears fall and burn the garden green
I tend to subscribe to the "convergence of factors" theory. This is a very regional tour, no album (granted, the recent ones haven't been plat. or anything, but at least around here they do get radio play) higher ticket prices, higher gas/travel prices, lots of weekday shows, people more afraid of losing their job/paying their bills than going to shows.
And the biggest factor, I think, is that MANY people are used to going to multiple shows, especially within 10C. With all of the above, that simply can't happen as much this time around.
And yes, the short notice no doubt had something to do with it as well. Don't be surprised if the more popular venues sell out in coming days/weeks.
i've got the pair i wanted to get today so does it REALLY matter that there are any left?
as long as everyone who wanted some got theirs
it really doesn't
but that's just my opinion
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1: moved west
2: i'm broke
3: already goin to Bonnaroo
4: my car is dying. I dont think it can handle a road trip.
but if they play Austin i'm there.
that's what I'm thinking..... especially with philly tix still being available....
Its not a lack of buzz within the pearl jam comminuty either.
its a lack of knowledge about how this whole system works.
Nuclear fission
it's what i'm praying for actually because if that's the case, then msg will be a whole helluva lot easier!
Paulie "Walnuts" Gualtieri
and since I wasn't expecting this tour, REALLY EXCITED!
I hope the south comment ist direct at me, because I have been defending the south and the "lackluster sales"...
But your other comment.....apprently there were some probs with Grand Rapids.....perhaps becasue it is a WAY smaller venue than the rest of them?
And yeah, MSG had some issues too.....perhaps becasue there are 14 million people trying to cram into two shows????
Isolated incidents aside.....there were not widespread problems for the 2006 North America tour and the 05 Canadian tour.
Nuclear fission
I believe minimum wage has increase significantly since then too, no?
If I didn't have the band as a MySpace friend, I would not have known about the tour or the presale, because I didn't get the email.
There are a lot of valid points as to why the tickets aren't moving faster, but I think the biggest reason is still because people just aren't aware.
...signed...the token black Pearl Jam fan.
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Everyone has complained that there's never enough volume of posters/tickets/whatever to go around. Now there is. That says a lot in and of itself. I really think it's that simple.
This whole topic is quite amusing
This is my kind of love...
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I will agree with the idea that money usually is the issue as it pertains to government and most corporations big and small. In this instance, I just don't believe money plays the key role here. I am perfectly fine agreeing to disagree. My last point would be that history shows that everytime any announcement is made on this site, there is a large group of people that will complain no matter what.
Cheers, and see you on the tour.
i wasn't directing the south comment at you I agree with what you were saying, more people want to go to MSG. There's a bigger fan base in the NE. It's just the tone of some of the other posts are silly. It's almost like some of the members are saying "Nah nah the north is better than the south". I get that alot when I go up north to visit family and friends I'll be thrilled if there aren't a lot of people in Tampa, my 189 member number should get me some pretty sweet seats.
I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Thats very lame.
Esp since tickets are still available.
Nuclear fission
I would say that's just inflation though, seems like you can't go to any arena shows for under $70 anymore.
in boston in new york, they usually seem to sell out in minutes.
I wish the 10C would just tell us, but I do not buy into this 10% theory one bit. In Camden '06, almost all seats went to the 10C. That is around 7500 seats I believe. Cap. is 25,000. I dont think that 5000 of those seats went to season ticket holders.
I really doubt that demand is down that much. Pearl Jam has had the same fan base since '96-98. It's been the same people buying tickets and their albums for the last 10 years.
I'm guessing that the 10C had way more than 10% of the venues. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.
Of he fills it up, with the love, of a girl...
ebay isn't evil people are
The South is Much Obliged
ebay isn't evil people are
The South is Much Obliged
I think minimun wage is around 7.50 now.
3 Decibels Doubles the Volume
2006
It's the economy, stupid
—Dorothy Parker
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As she slams the door in his drunken face
And now he stands outside
And all the neighbours start to gossip and drool
He cries oh, girl you must be mad,
What happened to the sweet love you and me had?
Against the door he leans and starts a scene,
And his tears fall and burn the garden green
And the biggest factor, I think, is that MANY people are used to going to multiple shows, especially within 10C. With all of the above, that simply can't happen as much this time around.
And yes, the short notice no doubt had something to do with it as well. Don't be surprised if the more popular venues sell out in coming days/weeks.
The poster is half the cost, is a piece of art & will last a lifetime. A concert this year is .38/minute and is over in three hours.
Dusseldorf poster = limited number produced/available
Tickets = enough for 10C members who want them
Seems easy enough theory to equate
This is my kind of love...
♥♥♥
as long as everyone who wanted some got theirs
it really doesn't
but that's just my opinion
Get it now, get enough, before its gone, let's everybody carry on, carry on....
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