10 club members get the nose bleeds 08/23/09

Hugh Freaking Dillon

"Our promise to do our darndest....". that statement is KEY. do our darndest, not guaranteed front row, or even floor, or even 100, or even 200.

I've driven many hours to see PJ to sit in the fucking bleeds, and I had the time of my fucking life. So yeah, all this selfish whining is a little annoying. :roll:

IlliniGuy76

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan wrote:

According to the membership benefits:

MEMBERSHIP BENEFITS
1.Our promise to do our darndest to get you the absolute BEST tickets in the house to Pearl Jam shows around the world.

Who would read that, be handed 300 level tickets against the wall in the back corner of the arena, and be happy about it?

For those who say "you should just be happy to of been in the building"...tickets are not that hard to get anymore. Anyone could of purchased tickets up against the wall in the 300 level.

I thought the 10C had a pre-arranged allotment of tickets. How could they look at their allotment of tickets and see top row of the 300 level and think that was going to fly? I don't think it was about the huge demand as much as I think there was a mistake somewhere along the way...which happens. But I think its okay to have some expectations and not be satisfied with the worst seats in the house when you are a member of a bands fan club.

You are 100% correct on everything you just posted....

I spoke with a United Center ticket rep - you know the people that would know if the place is full or not - and they said as of Sunday evening, they still had tickets for sale, for Monday's show. Yes - believe it or not... it's not impossbie to get tickets.

Anyone who tells you that they pay their $20.00 every year to the 10C for any other major reason than to have first dibs at TOP tickets to these concerts is either lying, or just simply arguing for arguing sake. People that were in the 10C and had to sit in the upper reaches of the 300 leve had every reason to be upset/not happy about how the situation was handled.

IlliniGuy76

paulonious wrote:

"Our promise to do our darndest....". that statement is KEY. do our darndest, not guaranteed front row, or even floor, or even 100, or even 200.

I've driven many hours to see PJ to sit in the fucking bleeds, and I had the time of my fucking life. So yeah, all this selfish whining is a little annoying. :roll:

And the point you're simply missing is this....

The floor, 100, 200 levels, if done correctly, should have easily accomdated the number to 10C members. The facts are the facts..they oversold 10C tickets. That's why people were sitting in the upper rafters of the 300 level. That's not selfish whining, that's people upset that they got shafted. Again, people could have gotten the same exact seats through Ticketmaster as they got through the paid 10C membership that they, in some cases, have paid for YEARS.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

IlliniGuy76 wrote:

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan wrote:

Anyone who tells you that they pay their $20.00 every year to the 10C for any other major reason than to have first dibs at TOP tickets to these concerts is either lying, or just simply arguing for arguing sake. People that were in the 10C and had to sit in the upper reaches of the 300 leve had every reason to be upset/not happy about how the situation was handled.

WRONG. PJ have only come even close to my area twice in 20 years. I pay for the membership for the vinyl, and the magazines, and in the HOPE that they may come here I might get seats. But I don't hold my breath on that one.

So it would be appreciated if you didn't just blindly call me a liar. :roll:

Hugh Freaking Dillon

IlliniGuy76 wrote:

paulonious wrote:

"Our promise to do our darndest....". that statement is KEY. do our darndest, not guaranteed front row, or even floor, or even 100, or even 200.

I've driven many hours to see PJ to sit in the fucking bleeds, and I had the time of my fucking life. So yeah, all this selfish whining is a little annoying. :roll:

And the point you're simply missing is this....

The floor, 100, 200 levels, if done correctly, should have easily accomdated the number to 10C members. The facts are the facts..they oversold 10C tickets. That's why people were sitting in the upper rafters of the 300 level. That's not selfish whining, that's people upset that they got shafted. Again, people could have gotten the same exact seats through Ticketmaster as they got through the paid 10C membership that they, in some cases, have paid for YEARS.

I am not missing any point. I know what they are complaining about. I just simply don't agree that it's necessary. Is that not allowed, good sir? :roll:

And "facts are facts"? You are throwing your credibility under the bus by making such statements.

IlliniGuy76

paulonious wrote:

IlliniGuy76 wrote:

paulonious wrote:

"Our promise to do our darndest....". that statement is KEY. do our darndest, not guaranteed front row, or even floor, or even 100, or even 200.

I've driven many hours to see PJ to sit in the fucking bleeds, and I had the time of my fucking life. So yeah, all this selfish whining is a little annoying. :roll:

And the point you're simply missing is this....

The floor, 100, 200 levels, if done correctly, should have easily accomdated the number to 10C members. The facts are the facts..they oversold 10C tickets. That's why people were sitting in the upper rafters of the 300 level. That's not selfish whining, that's people upset that they got shafted. Again, people could have gotten the same exact seats through Ticketmaster as they got through the paid 10C membership that they, in some cases, have paid for YEARS.

I am not missing any point. I know what they are complaining about. I just simply don't agree that it's necessary. Is that not allowed, good sir? :roll:

And "facts are facts"? You are throwing your credibility under the bus by making such statements.

1) If we are being honest, I would bet that 90% of the PJ fans in the 10C purchase their membership year after year for the primary reason to buy premium tickets. I have MANY friends in the 10C and they'd all verify that statement.

2) Other bands don't do what PJ does, correct. But they don't advertise that they'd get you the best seats possible, and then have people who aren't in the 10C getting better seats via Ticketmaster or through a radio presale.

3) And, yes, those are the facts. There is no other plausible explanation why people in the 10C who had good numbers, were sitting in the upper rafters for this show. Other than, they way oversold 10C tickets.

SL169704

paulonious wrote:

SL169704 wrote:

Everyone saying we are whiners can fuck off. Would you voluntarily pay $800 to sit in the third level in the back of the United Center? I'm guessing the answer is NO.

you are right. most of us wouldn't be ignorant enough to pay that kind of money in a gamble.

Well, smartass, guess how many of the 20 or so 10C people we talked to sitting with us in the 303 section were from Chicago?

FOUR. Everyone else had come from at least 100 miles away. FL, NC, AZ, CO were all in our section. None of us walked there. No one was happy with the seats, by a long shot.

IlliniGuy76

SL169704 wrote:

paulonious wrote:

SL169704 wrote:

Everyone saying we are whiners can fuck off. Would you voluntarily pay $800 to sit in the third level in the back of the United Center? I'm guessing the answer is NO.

you are right. most of us wouldn't be ignorant enough to pay that kind of money in a gamble.

Well, smartass, guess how many of the 20 or so 10C people we talked to sitting with us in the 303 section were from Chicago?

FOUR. Everyone else had come from at least 100 miles away. FL, NC, AZ, CO were all in our section. None of us walked there. No one was happy with the seats, by a long shot.

People will tell you to stop whining, and that you should have been happy just to be there. Mind you, you could have gotten those same tickets on Ticketmaster or Craigslist for face, or even below face. In fact, Craigslist was full of people on Sunday & Monday trying to unload tickets at near face value.

You're paying the 10C membership for the advertised opportunity to have the "best seats", just not to "be there" as some are attempting to make it out to be. Just "being there" is actually very easy to do for these two shows. It wasn't some golden ticket of impossibility to buy.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

IlliniGuy76 wrote:

1) If we are being honest, I would bet that 90% of the PJ fans in the 10C purchase their membership year after year for the primary reason to buy premium tickets. I have MANY friends in the 10C and they'd all verify that statement.

2) Other bands don't do what PJ does, correct. But they don't advertise that they'd get you the best seats possible, and then have people who aren't in the 10C getting better seats via Ticketmaster or through a radio presale.

3) And, yes, those are the facts. There is no other plausible explanation why people in the 10C who had good numbers, were sitting in the upper rafters for this show. Other than, they way oversold 10C tickets.

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1) I am from Canada. If I bought a 10C membership simply for the option of getting good seats at a gig that never happens, then I'd be a fool, which I'm not. I like the vinyl and the magazines, and I don't want to pay $100 on eBay for it, so to me, it's worth the money for simply that. Tickets would be a bonus, if they ever came here.

2) best seats possible. 'nuff said. those may (or may not have been-WE DON'T KNOW) the best seats possible.

3) well, I guess you are an industry expert. But "facts" are a little different than "only plausible explanation", dude. :roll:

IlliniGuy76

paulonious wrote:

IlliniGuy76 wrote:

1) If we are being honest, I would bet that 90% of the PJ fans in the 10C purchase their membership year after year for the primary reason to buy premium tickets. I have MANY friends in the 10C and they'd all verify that statement.

2) Other bands don't do what PJ does, correct. But they don't advertise that they'd get you the best seats possible, and then have people who aren't in the 10C getting better seats via Ticketmaster or through a radio presale.

3) And, yes, those are the facts. There is no other plausible explanation why people in the 10C who had good numbers, were sitting in the upper rafters for this show. Other than, they way oversold 10C tickets.

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1) I am from Canada. If I bought a 10C membership simply for the option of getting good seats at a gig that never happens, then I'd be a fool, which I'm not. I like the vinyl and the magazines, and I don't want to pay $100 on eBay for it, so to me, it's worth the money for simply that. Tickets would be a bonus, if they ever came here.

2) best seats possible. 'nuff said. those may (or may not have been-WE DON'T KNOW) the best seats possible.

3) well, I guess you are an industry expert. But "facts" are a little different than "only plausible explanation", dude. :roll:[/quote]

1) I'm telling you that,I'd venture to guess, that 90% of PJ fans answering this question honestly would tell you the PRIMARY reason they have a 10C membership is to purchase premium seats.

2) You're missing the point... the best seats possible to their members should be the BEST SEATS POSSIBLE. Not the upper rafters that they could have purchased, day of event, through Ticketmaster or Craigslist. Note: Sitting in/near the last row of the 300 level is not the best seat possible, no matter how you wish to twist the words.

3) Unless you can give me a plausible explanation why 10C members with very good numbers were sitting in the upper rafters, I'll go according to my theory: 10C oversold tickets to Chicago 1.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

SL169704 wrote:

paulonious wrote:

SL169704 wrote:

Everyone saying we are whiners can fuck off. Would you voluntarily pay $800 to sit in the third level in the back of the United Center? I'm guessing the answer is NO.

you are right. most of us wouldn't be ignorant enough to pay that kind of money in a gamble.

Well, smartass, guess how many of the 20 or so 10C people we talked to sitting with us in the 303 section were from Chicago?

FOUR. Everyone else had come from at least 100 miles away. FL, NC, AZ, CO were all in our section. None of us walked there. No one was happy with the seats, by a long shot.

well, poo poo head, if I decided I wanted to spend the money to buy a plane ticket to a show, I'd make sure it was worth it to me; i.e: if it was even remotely possible your seats weren't to your satisfaction, it's your problem you took that gamble. I personally, have been, and would be happy with whatever seats I had. I've had really shitty seats to gigs and really good ones. Different experiences, but if it wasn't worth it to me, then I wouldn't go. You assumed you'd have good seats. Wrongly. Unfortunately, that was your error.

NO WHERE IN THE POLICY DOES IT GUARANTEE YOU FABULOUS SEATS. END OF STORY.

IlliniGuy76

No, but it does tell you that 10C would get you the best seats possible. Again, sitting in the upper rafters of the 300 level and having seats you could have gotten the day of the event at face, or even slightly below face, is NOT the "best seats" possible. That's the point you just simply don't want to grasp, understand, or want to believe.

He didn't assume anything... he paid for a service that said that they would have the opportunity to buy the "best seats possible". Not the same seats that he could purchase on Craigslist/EBAY/day of the event.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

IlliniGuy76 wrote:

1) I'm telling you that,I'd venture to guess, that 90% of PJ fans answering this question honestly would tell you the PRIMARY reason they have a 10C membership is to purchase premium seats.

2) You're missing the point... the best seats possible to their members should be the BEST SEATS POSSIBLE. Not the upper rafters that they could have purchased, day of event, through Ticketmaster or Craigslist. Note: Sitting in/near the last row of the 300 level is not the best seat possible, no matter how you wish to twist the words.

3) Unless you can give me a plausible explanation why 10C members with very good numbers were sitting in the upper rafters, I'll go according to my theory: 10C oversold tickets to Chicago 1.

1) yes, I know that you are estimating that. And you are probably right. I was responding to you calling ANYONE WHO CLAIMS TO BUY A MEMBERSHIP FOR A PRIMARY REASON OTHER THAN GOOD SEATS IS A LIAR. You called me a liar. I called you out. Now you are changing the argument.

2) once again, I'm not missing the point. I'm just not a whiner. I have no sense of entitlement, that's not the way I was brought up. I am happy with whatever situation I'm given.

3) I don't need to give you a plausible explanation. I don't claim to "know" something I don't, unlike you. There could be a THOUSAND different reasons, only 1 of which you came up with and coincidentally claim it to be. :roll:

IlliniGuy76

paulonious wrote:

IlliniGuy76 wrote:

1) I'm telling you that,I'd venture to guess, that 90% of PJ fans answering this question honestly would tell you the PRIMARY reason they have a 10C membership is to purchase premium seats.

2) You're missing the point... the best seats possible to their members should be the BEST SEATS POSSIBLE. Not the upper rafters that they could have purchased, day of event, through Ticketmaster or Craigslist. Note: Sitting in/near the last row of the 300 level is not the best seat possible, no matter how you wish to twist the words.

3) Unless you can give me a plausible explanation why 10C members with very good numbers were sitting in the upper rafters, I'll go according to my theory: 10C oversold tickets to Chicago 1.

1) yes, I know that you are estimating that. And you are probably right. I was responding to you calling ANYONE WHO CLAIMS TO BUY A MEMBERSHIP FOR A PRIMARY REASON OTHER THAN GOOD SEATS IS A LIAR. You called me a liar. I called you out. Now you are changing the argument.

2) once again, I'm not missing the point. I'm just not a whiner. I have no sense of entitlement, that's not the way I was brought up. I am happy with whatever situation I'm given.

3) I don't need to give you a plausible explanation. I don't claim to "know" something I don't, unlike you. There could be a THOUSAND different reasons, only 1 of which you came up with and coincidentally claim it to be. :roll:

1) I'm not changing the argument... the mass majority of PJ fans use 10C to buy premium tickets. Granted I used the word "liar". That's not calling me out, that's just simply avoiding the fact: I was correct in my statement.

2) There is not sense of entitlement, and that's why you are missing. Pal.. people paid for a service(again that we both agree, the mass majority use to garner the 'best seats' to a PJ concert) that advertises that I'd be offered the "best seats". People didn't pay for a service that advertised that, and they could have gotten BETTER SEATS through other mainstream mediums. Comprehend? There is not entltement.. people are upset as to the facts I just listed above.

3) That's because there is no other plausible explanation. I don't "know" anything, I'm using common sense. If you have people with good 10C membership numbers sitting in the 300 level, there was a problem.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

IlliniGuy76 wrote:

No, but it does tell you that 10C would get you the best seats possible. Again, sitting in the upper rafters of the 300 level and having seats you could have gotten the day of the event at face, or even slightly below face, is NOT the "best seats" possible. That's the point you just simply don't want to grasp, understand, or want to believe.

He didn't assume anything... he paid for a service that said that they would have the opportunity to buy the "best seats possible". Not the same seats that he could purchase on Craigslist/EBAY/day of the event.

oh, jeez, enough with the insults. :roll: I can easily grasp this little theory of yours. If they changed "best seats possible" to "best seats possible under any given circumstance, happenstance, or tomfoolery" would that make all of this go away?

Seriously, if your theory is correct, and they oversold their allotment, then it would stand to reason that those were the best seats possible, wouldn't it?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

"Granted I used the word "liar". That's not calling me out, that's just simply avoiding the fact: I was correct in my statement."

Actually, that DOES mean you were incorrect in your statement. You used an absolute: "anyone". I am part of anyone, and your statement didn't apply to me. Therefore, your statement was incorrect. Do YOU comprehend? Pretty simple concept.

IlliniGuy76

paulonious wrote:

IlliniGuy76 wrote:

No, but it does tell you that 10C would get you the best seats possible. Again, sitting in the upper rafters of the 300 level and having seats you could have gotten the day of the event at face, or even slightly below face, is NOT the "best seats" possible. That's the point you just simply don't want to grasp, understand, or want to believe.

He didn't assume anything... he paid for a service that said that they would have the opportunity to buy the "best seats possible". Not the same seats that he could purchase on Craigslist/EBAY/day of the event.

oh, jeez, enough with the insults. :roll: I can easily grasp this little theory of yours. If they changed "best seats possible" to "best seats possible under any given circumstance, happenstance, or tomfoolery" would that make all of this go away?

Seriously, if your theory is correct, and they oversold their allotment, then it would stand to reason that those were the best seats possible, wouldn't it?

No again... either you are missing the point, or are choosing not to read.

The best seats possible are not the 300 level when you have people during a regular sale, presale etc buying BETTER seats or comperable seats.

IlliniGuy76

paulonious wrote:

"Granted I used the word "liar". That's not calling me out, that's just simply avoiding the fact: I was correct in my statement."

Actually, that DOES mean you were incorrect in your statement. You used an absolute: "anyone". I am part of anyone, and your statement didn't apply to me. Therefore, your statement was incorrect. Do YOU comprehend? Pretty simple concept.

And it doesn't change the fact that we both agree on...

The mass majority of people that use the service, use it for one primary reason. Ok, so you got me! You got me! I called you a liar, and it isn't true!!! Does that make my statement listed above wrong? You & I both know the answer to that one, as we've already discussed.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

"Comprehend? There is not entltement.. people are upset as to the facts I just listed above."

So riddle me this, BUDDY, how many of the bitchers here actually took up their cause with the 10C, instead of trying to get attention here in the forum "OOOH....I was at that show too! I got robbed! Look at me!!! Woe is me!!!".

And please, AGAIN, do us both a favour, stop trying to pad your little argument with petty insults. It makes you look bad.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

IlliniGuy76 wrote:

paulonious wrote:

"Granted I used the word "liar". That's not calling me out, that's just simply avoiding the fact: I was correct in my statement."

Actually, that DOES mean you were incorrect in your statement. You used an absolute: "anyone". I am part of anyone, and your statement didn't apply to me. Therefore, your statement was incorrect. Do YOU comprehend? Pretty simple concept.

And it doesn't change the fact that we both agree on...

The mass majority of people that use the service, use it for one primary reason. Ok, so you got me! You got me! I called you a liar, and it isn't true!!! Does that make my statement listed above wrong? You & I both know the answer to that one, as we've already discussed.

yes, we agree on it, just not what you initially said. initially you stated that "anyone...blah blah blah". I merely stated that that statement was incorrect. let it go.