you pays your money and takes your chances
you NEVER know what the 10C seats are going to be like, NEVER
and thats part of the process that is buying 10C tix
sometimes they are great sometimes not
really, that's all there is to it
Thanks for making my point. This is a change from the past. Remember, we are not talking about getting 25th row instead of 10th, or sides instead of floor. You now run the risk of getting the WORST SEATS IN THE VENUE, and when the venue is arena sized, those seats truly suck.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the Philly shows are similarly oversold. If you have been in 10C less than five years, and you have 10C seats for Philly, you should really, really think twice about traveling any significant distance to the shows unless you are prepared to sit in the rafters. Assume you will be 3rd level, back of the venue. If you can deal with that, fine. If not, I'd be calling 10C and asking for a refund.
the difference for the Philly shows is that the Spectrum is a much smaller and tighter venue. Unless you are in 400 sections of the Spectrum your seats will be good. Even the 2nd level of the Spectrum is not bad and if you are in the 2nd level in a section near the stage they are damn good seats. Unlike the newer buildings the seating is much much closer in the Spectrum than say the Wachovia Center.
It is important that people understand that the whole 10C ticketing philosophy has just shifted. Whereas in the past, 10C seats were at least decent, now they may be much worse than what you can get through TM.
It is important that people understand that the whole 10C ticketing philosophy has just shifted. Whereas in the past, 10C seats were at least decent, now they may be much worse than what you can get through TM.
That is the bottom line.
was this an isolated incident or a change in philosophy/policy though? - to me it suggests an isolated incident and not something that will happen all the time. Yes the Spectrum shows will have some of this but 10C clearly stated then when tickets for those last 2 shows went on sale.
It is important that people understand that the whole 10C ticketing philosophy has just shifted. Whereas in the past, 10C seats were at least decent, now they may be much worse than what you can get through TM.
That is the bottom line.
bottom line is that if you have been in the club longer, you get better seats. if you joined last year, you get in the building period. you get to attend the show.
yes, TM is able to score better seats in some circumstances. better for those with high 10c numbers 300xxx +.
It is important that people understand that the whole 10C ticketing philosophy has just shifted. Whereas in the past, 10C seats were at least decent, now they may be much worse than what you can get through TM.
That is the bottom line.
was this an isolated incident or a change in philosophy/policy though? - to me it suggests an isolated incident and not something that will happen all the time. Yes the Spectrum shows will have some of this but 10C clearly stated then when tickets for those last 2 shows went on sale.
Isolated incident or change in philosophy? We don't know, because 10C isn't talking.
In the absence of any statement from 10C, it is buyer beware.
Isolated incident or change in philosophy? We don't know, because 10C isn't talking.
In the absence of any statement from 10C, it is buyer beware.[/quote]
don't people care about just 'being there?' honestly. if any of you joined the fan club in the last few years you aren't going to get within 10 rows of the stage. you will be guaranteed entry to a fucking fantastic show if you secure 10c tickets. if people want TM, then so be it! its not a big deal. freaking out about being in the nosebleeds is a waste of time.
You are guaranteed to get into the building if you get the tickets through TM, too. The difference is that you KNOW what seats you are buying, and you can opt NOT to buy crappy seats. If you buy nosebleeds, you made that choice.
With 10C, you have no way of knowing what you are getting. In the past, the seats were at least good. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT NOT GETTING 10TH ROW. We are talking about getting rafter seats in the very back of a huge arena.
Hopefuly this thread has done two things: 1) Warn people not to travel to PJ shows if they have a high 10C number, unless they are prepared to accept the worst seats in the venue through 10C. 2) I really hope 10C realizes that because of their policy of not revealing seat locations prior to the show, that the seats either need to not suck, or people need to be notified that their seats suck, and they should be given the option to get a refund, and cancel travel plans.
If so, can you please give an explanation for the Sunday 10C seating debacle?
My 10c # is 425xxx & being in the building is the most important thing. I KNOW with that # I'm probably sitting nosebleed but like stated before I'm in the building . I could THEN choose to enter the ticket bastard :evil: sale & see what comes up then CHOOSE to buy if I think they will be better seats. I would then get rid of the worse pair to some lucky fan who was shut out or to good friends that want to go! That being said 10c should try to do a better job with the seating when given the extra amount of tickets.. If 10c normally gets 10% & are now given an extra 20-50% for fan clubs ( his will not last when TM & LiveNation officially merger) then the people who get the 1st 10% on the pre-sale day should get those official GEM seats in seniority order. Everyone who got shut-out(low & high#s ) then gets the next batch of tickets again in seniority order so the Low 10c #'s who would have gotten shut -out (we all get shut-out time to time)are still in the building but are behind the lucky 10 clubbers who got in the 1st 10% of the pre-sale which is the normal allotment. Just my 2 cents. BTW I was lucky enough to be sitting in the 7th row Sunday with a good friend (75xxx) who feels the same way but will not complain about the chance(all day pre-sale) to get 5th-7th row seats. Peace
I could not have said it better myself! This gives everyone a chance to score the prime 10% usual 10c seats. After that everyone who got shut-out, low & high #s alike, still has a chance to get the extra seats ticketbastard gives 10c. Distributing them in seniority order but sitting behind the few who scored the 1st 10%. Again this is just for the shows that TM gives 10c the extra 20-50%. Seems fair to me .
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Isolated incident or change in philosophy? We don't know, because 10C isn't talking.
In the absence of any statement from 10C, it is buyer beware.
don't people care about just 'being there?' honestly. if any of you joined the fan club in the last few years you aren't going to get within 10 rows of the stage. you will be guaranteed entry to a fucking fantastic show if you secure 10c tickets. if people want TM, then so be it! its not a big deal. freaking out about being in the nosebleeds is a waste of time.[/quote]
I think people do appreciate just being there, but the fact was, it seems from this thread, that people with relatively low numbers were in the nosebleeds too. So imagine having gone to 20, 30 PJ shows and always getting a fairly decent seat, so thinking it is worth the risk and taking a trip or something to go to the show. Or hell, even if it's your hometown, you want a good show. Then you show up, and you're usually maybe in the loge level or something but today you got the very last row in the upper most level. Even if you have a bad number, you know that's not a function of seniority- if it were it would imply that the entire venue was ten club. The fact is, even if they don't explicitly say it anymore, for years and years the ten club has said "ten club members get the best seats in the house." Even if you know you have a bad number, you don't expect to get the very last, upper most row.
And, I would argue that yes, I personally like being closer. The closer you are, the more you can "feel" the band. I did not expect to have good seats in Chicago because I had a 235XXX number, and they were even a little further back than I expected, but they were on the loge level so I still assumed they were real fan club tickets. If I had gotten the last row in the balcony, I definitely would suspect something fishy.
you pays your money and takes your chances
you NEVER know what the 10C seats are going to be like, NEVER
and thats part of the process that is buying 10C tix
sometimes they are great sometimes not
really, that's all there is to it
Thanks for making my point. This is a change from the past. Remember, we are not talking about getting 25th row instead of 10th, or sides instead of floor. You now run the risk of getting the WORST SEATS IN THE VENUE, and when the venue is arena sized, those seats truly suck.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the Philly shows are similarly oversold. If you have been in 10C less than five years, and you have 10C seats for Philly, you should really, really think twice about traveling any significant distance to the shows unless you are prepared to sit in the rafters. Assume you will be 3rd level, back of the venue. If you can deal with that, fine. If not, I'd be calling 10C and asking for a refund.
yep, philly willl have lots of 10c members in the 300s
same old story, you take your chances with the 10C or you go to TM/LN, or you hedge and buy both
9 times out of 10, your 10c seats will be better.
I do believe they do what they can to get the best seats in the house and that they are properly assigned by seniority
but they have made mistakes in the past and messed up the allocation
Well I found the old link that talks about the news of Chicago show that was added for 8/23. Anyway for anyone interested there is a email address if you want to discuss your issue or possibly get an answer to the ticket fiasco. There is also a 800 number if anyone cares and wants to reply back and find out what heard and fill everyone else in.
Can Santos or someone else clarify how bad the Philly tickets will be? I will have practically the worst pair they give out, and I really don't want to be stuck in the 400-level. For now I'm going to assume this was a one time mistake, but I'm still a little concerned. Everyone was saying how the 10C always takes care of their members and never gives out bad seats, so I went ahead and bought for the 10/31 show. Then the buy button was up for over 24 hours and a tons of people probably bought tickets. If they were only able to do this because seats are going to be in the 400-level, there would be no point in buying 10C seating. 400-level seats will be going below face the week of the shows, so I certainly hope the 10C will not be sticking members up there. I'd just like to know what sections the 10C blocks of tickets are in.
Can Santos or someone else clarify how bad the Philly tickets will be? I will have practically the worst pair they give out, and I really don't want to be stuck in the 400-level. For now I'm going to assume this was a one time mistake, but I'm still a little concerned. Everyone was saying how the 10C always takes care of their members and never gives out bad seats, so I went ahead and bought for the 10/31 show. Then the buy button was up for over 24 hours and a tons of people probably bought tickets. If they were only able to do this because seats are going to be in the 400-level, there would be no point in buying 10C seating. 400-level seats will be going below face the week of the shows, so I certainly hope the 10C will not be sticking members up there. I'd just like to know what sections the 10C blocks of tickets are in.
The good news is that the Spectrum is small (not like the United Center, MSG, BN Garden, or any other pro-sports arena in existence), so seats should be decent almost anywhere....
....EXCEPT on the back half of floor, which are universally agreed upon as being the worst seats in any arena venue...so in light of your 400-level comments, I would rather have 400-level seating ANY DAY before having the back half of the floor!!! That rear floor seating is my biggest and only gripe with the tickets that 10C secures. Beyond that they generally do us well (not sure what happened in Chi-town this weekend, but other than that).
Can Santos or someone else clarify how bad the Philly tickets will be? I will have practically the worst pair they give out, and I really don't want to be stuck in the 400-level. For now I'm going to assume this was a one time mistake, but I'm still a little concerned. Everyone was saying how the 10C always takes care of their members and never gives out bad seats, so I went ahead and bought for the 10/31 show. Then the buy button was up for over 24 hours and a tons of people probably bought tickets. If they were only able to do this because seats are going to be in the 400-level, there would be no point in buying 10C seating. 400-level seats will be going below face the week of the shows, so I certainly hope the 10C will not be sticking members up there. I'd just like to know what sections the 10C blocks of tickets are in.
(More) Philly threads are in the making already. They worded the Philly pre-sale to prepare us for 10c seats not being as good as usual, I thought. Seeing the locations for Chi-1 definitely has me prepared for nosebleeds in Philly (411xxx). I'm in the building though and, to me, that's all that matters.
Can Santos or someone else clarify how bad the Philly tickets will be? I will have practically the worst pair they give out, and I really don't want to be stuck in the 400-level. For now I'm going to assume this was a one time mistake, but I'm still a little concerned. Everyone was saying how the 10C always takes care of their members and never gives out bad seats, so I went ahead and bought for the 10/31 show. Then the buy button was up for over 24 hours and a tons of people probably bought tickets. If they were only able to do this because seats are going to be in the 400-level, there would be no point in buying 10C seating. 400-level seats will be going below face the week of the shows, so I certainly hope the 10C will not be sticking members up there. I'd just like to know what sections the 10C blocks of tickets are in.
(More) Philly threads are in the making already. They worded the Philly pre-sale to prepare us for 10c seats not being as good as usual, I thought. Seeing the locations for Chi-1 definitely has me prepared for nosebleeds in Philly (411xxx). I'm in the building though and, to me, that's all that matters.
that would only be true for the 1st and 4th show, right? the original 2 shows should be normal 10C seating
post your numbers and seats and we will be able to c if mookie vedder scamed us. Mine is 308 i was siting in 105. Please do the same so we can figure it out.
if my fan club seats were in ther nose bleeds i would be pissed... most people pay the $20 a year for acceess to better tickets...
i called the 10c when the 10/31 philly announcement came with the starmge wording and i asked him about it.. he said "pearl jam will have the best seats in the house, just the fan cub area will expand and be larger"
drove 12 hrs to Chicago -- got there went to ten club window got my tickets and checked out the floor plan -- i noticed i was in section 114 12 rows back on Mike's side
my ten club number is #139,xxx so i usually get seats on the floor anywhere from row 6 to 25 -- at that point i was upset but more disappointed i was not on the floor
then i go in to the show and head for my seats -- i had a great view of the band esp. Mike -- now i know that sometimes floor seats are not all that, esp. if your in the back sections of the floor
so i just want to say THANK YOU TEN CLUB for all you do & for making my night in Chicago a night to remember
If so, can you please give an explanation for the Sunday 10C seating debacle?
Here is why you need to do this: people are really pissed. MANY, MANY people traveled to that show, and got upper deck, way in back seats, when day of show there were decent seats on TM. Trust me, NO ONE around me in 303 was happy. They may not be posting their disappointment here, but there were a lot of very unhappy people. This incident tends to throw into doubt any reason to travel to ANY show with 10C tickets. Put yourself in the shoes of the people who traveled for days and spent hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Imagine going into the venue, up three escalators, and out to your seats, and realizing that 95% of the people in the building had better tickets. You can't blame people for being pissed. These are hard core fans, not someone who liked "Alive" fifteen years ago and are checking PJ off their band bucket list.
If the explanation is that someone fucked up, fine. Just let everyone know that this is *not* going to be what to expect going forward.
sure. Your member number 415XXX, for a show like Chicago, NYC, Jersey, Boston, or LA will put you in the back. or up top. Go to Salt Lake City, Virginia Beach, Vancouver, Portland or any other small market city and you'll be about 15-20 rows from the front with that number. Seats are allocated by seniority (except for the lottery rows 1-2 and 9-10...anyone could get those).
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drove 12 hrs to Chicago -- got there went to ten club window got my tickets and checked out the floor plan -- i noticed i was in section 114 12 rows back on Mike's side
my ten club number is #139,xxx so i usually get seats on the floor anywhere from row 6 to 25 -- at that point i was upset but more disappointed i was not on the floor
then i go in to the show and head for my seats -- i had a great view of the band esp. Mike -- now i know that sometimes floor seats are not all that, esp. if your in the back sections of the floor
so i just want to say THANK YOU TEN CLUB for all you do & for making my night in Chicago a night to remember
Same range of emotions for me as well... when I got the tix from the woman at the window I was kinda bummed (but not surprised since I knew there were a shitload of 10C people hitting this show. I was a couple rows behind you in the same section. 10C # 141xxx. They were incredible seats IMO. Much different perspective from what I normally have, but completely cool.
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the difference for the Philly shows is that the Spectrum is a much smaller and tighter venue. Unless you are in 400 sections of the Spectrum your seats will be good. Even the 2nd level of the Spectrum is not bad and if you are in the 2nd level in a section near the stage they are damn good seats. Unlike the newer buildings the seating is much much closer in the Spectrum than say the Wachovia Center.
It is important that people understand that the whole 10C ticketing philosophy has just shifted. Whereas in the past, 10C seats were at least decent, now they may be much worse than what you can get through TM.
That is the bottom line.
was this an isolated incident or a change in philosophy/policy though? - to me it suggests an isolated incident and not something that will happen all the time. Yes the Spectrum shows will have some of this but 10C clearly stated then when tickets for those last 2 shows went on sale.
bottom line is that if you have been in the club longer, you get better seats. if you joined last year, you get in the building period. you get to attend the show.
yes, TM is able to score better seats in some circumstances. better for those with high 10c numbers 300xxx +.
Isolated incident or change in philosophy? We don't know, because 10C isn't talking.
In the absence of any statement from 10C, it is buyer beware.
In the absence of any statement from 10C, it is buyer beware.[/quote]
don't people care about just 'being there?' honestly. if any of you joined the fan club in the last few years you aren't going to get within 10 rows of the stage. you will be guaranteed entry to a fucking fantastic show if you secure 10c tickets. if people want TM, then so be it! its not a big deal. freaking out about being in the nosebleeds is a waste of time.
You are guaranteed to get into the building if you get the tickets through TM, too. The difference is that you KNOW what seats you are buying, and you can opt NOT to buy crappy seats. If you buy nosebleeds, you made that choice.
With 10C, you have no way of knowing what you are getting. In the past, the seats were at least good. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT NOT GETTING 10TH ROW. We are talking about getting rafter seats in the very back of a huge arena.
Hopefuly this thread has done two things: 1) Warn people not to travel to PJ shows if they have a high 10C number, unless they are prepared to accept the worst seats in the venue through 10C. 2) I really hope 10C realizes that because of their policy of not revealing seat locations prior to the show, that the seats either need to not suck, or people need to be notified that their seats suck, and they should be given the option to get a refund, and cancel travel plans.
no one is coercing you to read anything anyone posts. or did you win the "moderator for a day" contest?
whatever. :roll:
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don't people care about just 'being there?' honestly. if any of you joined the fan club in the last few years you aren't going to get within 10 rows of the stage. you will be guaranteed entry to a fucking fantastic show if you secure 10c tickets. if people want TM, then so be it! its not a big deal. freaking out about being in the nosebleeds is a waste of time.[/quote]
I think people do appreciate just being there, but the fact was, it seems from this thread, that people with relatively low numbers were in the nosebleeds too. So imagine having gone to 20, 30 PJ shows and always getting a fairly decent seat, so thinking it is worth the risk and taking a trip or something to go to the show. Or hell, even if it's your hometown, you want a good show. Then you show up, and you're usually maybe in the loge level or something but today you got the very last row in the upper most level. Even if you have a bad number, you know that's not a function of seniority- if it were it would imply that the entire venue was ten club. The fact is, even if they don't explicitly say it anymore, for years and years the ten club has said "ten club members get the best seats in the house." Even if you know you have a bad number, you don't expect to get the very last, upper most row.
And, I would argue that yes, I personally like being closer. The closer you are, the more you can "feel" the band. I did not expect to have good seats in Chicago because I had a 235XXX number, and they were even a little further back than I expected, but they were on the loge level so I still assumed they were real fan club tickets. If I had gotten the last row in the balcony, I definitely would suspect something fishy.
obviously not. thats why the ticket-broker industry exists.
yep, philly willl have lots of 10c members in the 300s
same old story, you take your chances with the 10C or you go to TM/LN, or you hedge and buy both
9 times out of 10, your 10c seats will be better.
I do believe they do what they can to get the best seats in the house and that they are properly assigned by seniority
but they have made mistakes in the past and messed up the allocation
http://www.pearljam.com/news/two-more-p ... ates-added
The good news is that the Spectrum is small (not like the United Center, MSG, BN Garden, or any other pro-sports arena in existence), so seats should be decent almost anywhere....
....EXCEPT on the back half of floor, which are universally agreed upon as being the worst seats in any arena venue...so in light of your 400-level comments, I would rather have 400-level seating ANY DAY before having the back half of the floor!!! That rear floor seating is my biggest and only gripe with the tickets that 10C secures. Beyond that they generally do us well (not sure what happened in Chi-town this weekend, but other than that).
Turned out that wasn't the case. The guy with the "low 100s" number who spent yesterday bleating on here actually has a mid-400s number.
that would only be true for the 1st and 4th show, right? the original 2 shows should be normal 10C seating
oh I actually didn't write that, I was responding to that quote from someone else.
i called the 10c when the 10/31 philly announcement came with the starmge wording and i asked him about it.. he said "pearl jam will have the best seats in the house, just the fan cub area will expand and be larger"
so i better not be upstairs, fuck that
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drove 12 hrs to Chicago -- got there went to ten club window got my tickets and checked out the floor plan -- i noticed i was in section 114 12 rows back on Mike's side
my ten club number is #139,xxx so i usually get seats on the floor anywhere from row 6 to 25 -- at that point i was upset but more disappointed i was not on the floor
then i go in to the show and head for my seats -- i had a great view of the band esp. Mike -- now i know that sometimes floor seats are not all that, esp. if your in the back sections of the floor
so i just want to say THANK YOU TEN CLUB for all you do & for making my night in Chicago a night to remember
sure. Your member number 415XXX, for a show like Chicago, NYC, Jersey, Boston, or LA will put you in the back. or up top. Go to Salt Lake City, Virginia Beach, Vancouver, Portland or any other small market city and you'll be about 15-20 rows from the front with that number. Seats are allocated by seniority (except for the lottery rows 1-2 and 9-10...anyone could get those).
Always best to email us at <!-- e --><a href="mailto:info@tenclub.net">info@tenclub.net</a><!-- e --> with questions.
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Same range of emotions for me as well... when I got the tix from the woman at the window I was kinda bummed (but not surprised since I knew there were a shitload of 10C people hitting this show. I was a couple rows behind you in the same section. 10C # 141xxx. They were incredible seats IMO. Much different perspective from what I normally have, but completely cool.