I'll take that bet. I am in the ticket box office making sure this does not happen.
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thats cool. maybe that was you that waved at me sarcastically in hartford last year because you guys didn't like a comment that i made on the last board.
Sure it's been said on here already, but higher fanclub member numbers aren't going to get the best seats most likely, especially in a city like Chicago where tons of people go to see them. I think what happened on Sunday was an exception, and not the rule. Most fanclubs only get a certain number of seats to reserve going through Ticketmaster, and obviously the high demand for Sunday exceeded that limit. There's only so much fanclubs in general can do with Ticketmaster and their ticketing policies. That fanclub ticket limit is going to be in place for ANY band you see in a TM venue; it's not just a Pearl Jam issue. So I would argue that you should probably be calling or emailing TM with your concerns, also. It's definitely more productive than to be complaining here and waiting for Santos or whomever to potentially explain what happened, which they're not obligated to do. It does spell out pretty clearly in the emails we all get before tickets go on sale that they do their best to get everyone seats, based on fanclub seniority.
I'm just happy I get to see them play, even if I have to drive six hours to get there. The shows are always so much fun.
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If so, can you please give an explanation for the Sunday 10C seating debacle?
Here is why you need to do this: people are really pissed. MANY, MANY people traveled to that show, and got upper deck, way in back seats, when day of show there were decent seats on TM. Trust me, NO ONE around me in 303 was happy. They may not be posting their disappointment here, but there were a lot of very unhappy people. This incident tends to throw into doubt any reason to travel to ANY show with 10C tickets. Put yourself in the shoes of the people who traveled for days and spent hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Imagine going into the venue, up three escalators, and out to your seats, and realizing that 95% of the people in the building had better tickets. You can't blame people for being pissed. These are hard core fans, not someone who liked "Alive" fifteen years ago and are checking PJ off their band bucket list.
If the explanation is that someone fucked up, fine. Just let everyone know that this is *not* going to be what to expect going forward.
You can't blame people for being pissed. These are hard core fans, not someone who liked "Alive" fifteen years ago and are checking PJ off their band bucket list.
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and the entitlement plot thickens........
so you feel you are more deserving of an explanation of bad seats than someone who is a casual fan? Get a grip.
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so dont partake in the presales anymore if youre a high 400 number and arent just happy to be in the house.
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You can't blame people for being pissed. These are hard core fans, not someone who liked "Alive" fifteen years ago and are checking PJ off their band bucket list.
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and the entitlement plot thickens........
so you feel you are more deserving of an explanation of bad seats than someone who is a casual fan? Get a grip.
Casual fans didn't buy 10C tickets, did they?
The point is this: if you buy a shitty ticket from TM, you KNOW you are buying a shitty ticket. You are getting what you asked for. You can reject the ticket if you want. I would not personally travel for any distance to sit in the upper deck, back of a cavernous arena for ANY band. I've been going to shows since the mid-70's, and I passed on dozens of bands for that very reason, including the Stones, The Who, and Aerosmith.
Look, I'm just laying it out here. Instead of the proclamation on the 10C site that says they will do their "darndest" to get the "best" seats, there should be this warning:
WARNING TO 10C MEMBERS: YOUR SEATS COULD BE ANYWHERE, INCLUDING THE VERY BACK AND VERY TOP OF SOME OF THE VERY LARGEST VENUES PJ PLAYS. IF YOU HAVE A HIGH FAN CLUB NUMBER, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY NOT BOTHER WITH 10C SEATS, AND GET TICKETS THROUGH NORMAL CHANNELS INSTEAD. THANK YOU.
IF YOU HAVE A HIGH FAN CLUB NUMBER, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY NOT BOTHER WITH 10C SEATS, AND GET TICKETS THROUGH NORMAL CHANNELS INSTEAD. THANK YOU.
you need to be told / ( typed ) this ?
even with a decent fanclub number this should always be on standby .
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My # isn't the best, 334,xxx, or the worst. Last year, at the 6/19 Camden show, Thursday(a weeknight), I was in the 4th to last row, all the way to the right. Should I have expected to be that far back with that #? I didn't think so. Couldn't see a thing on stage. Was I happy about it? Definitely not. Did I have a good time anyway? Yes.
My problem is that you have no idea where you will be seated, and I would bet money that people working the ticket booths take tickets out of 10c envelopes and swap them, maybe make a couple of bucks partnering with scalpers. What methods are in place to prevent that from happening?
But instead of complaining to the 10c about seat location, maybe we can ask them about letting us know where we will be when we order tickets, or at least give us a general idea of where we should be?
I'll take that bet. I am in the ticket box office making sure this does not happen.
slh
yeah it's pretty obvious when the 10c Tix don't have a ticketmaster logo and/or the $9.90 TM charge on them
if you got 10c tix with that you might have an argument....otherwise you don't
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I didn't get 8/23 10c tix because I needed 4 for that night. TM put me up in 308 5 rows from the TOP! I knew that was going to happen when I needed 4 but my group had an excellent time (it was a great show!). My friends had 10c tix on 8/23 member number 216xxx and were in 111 row 18. I got 10c tix on 8/24 (411xxx) and I had 111 sec 18! It was pretty funny.
It looks like there were A LOT of 10c tix bought for Sunday - forcing the higher numbers, well, higher. Anyone who bought Philly 10c tix and have numbers on the high side better be ready to be looking down on the guys. A pity so much complaining is going on - they were still great shows and awesome times. People need to see the forest for the trees...
Paulonius, I like your attitude, but I must say I disagree with you. Bottom line, tc members, regardless of number, should have the best seats the tc can possibly offer. TC has always been great to me, and they were again on Sunday, 3rd row, but I side with the people who were in the nose bleeds here. I do not blame tc, im sure something happened here that was out of their control, but when you travel to see pj banking on tc tix to be at least decent, and you have the worst seats in the venue, that is reason to complain. If your number is over 200 you cant expect great seats in a city like chicago, but you most certainly shouldnt expect the worst seats. I had people sitting next to me who bought seats on tm, that aint right. And I really don't think people bringing this situation up are whining, we must realize that this site is really the only platform to voice grievances.
very well said. As has been mentioned, when you buy a ticket on ticketmaster, it tells you "section 317, row 25, seat 4" or something, and then you chose whether or not having that seat is worth the money to you. We don't know our ten club seats until well after they are purchased, but, most of us feel that is ok, because while they probably won't be way up front, they will be fairly decent and with other ten club members. When you add the possibility of being in the last row way up in the stands, you add risk to the ten club purchase that frankly is not part of the ticketmaster purchase. If it is now possible to get the worst seats in the house through the ten club, it much more economic to purchase through ticketmaster. Sad to say, but it's true. After this, I don't know if I should buy my tickets through the ten club in the future. In the end I probably will, but that risk is an additional cost. That's not feeling "entitled" that's wanting to make an informed purchase at low risk and and receiving the product I expect for my $70.
If so, can you please give an explanation for the Sunday 10C seating debacle?
Here is why you need to do this: people are really pissed. MANY, MANY people traveled to that show, and got upper deck, way in back seats, when day of show there were decent seats on TM. Trust me, NO ONE around me in 303 was happy. They may not be posting their disappointment here, but there were a lot of very unhappy people. This incident tends to throw into doubt any reason to travel to ANY show with 10C tickets. Put yourself in the shoes of the people who traveled for days and spent hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Imagine going into the venue, up three escalators, and out to your seats, and realizing that 95% of the people in the building had better tickets. You can't blame people for being pissed. These are hard core fans, not someone who liked "Alive" fifteen years ago and are checking PJ off their band bucket list.
If the explanation is that someone fucked up, fine. Just let everyone know that this is *not* going to be what to expect going forward.
My 10c # is 425xxx & being in the building is the most important thing. I KNOW with that # I'm probably sitting nosebleed but like stated before I'm in the building . I could THEN choose to enter the ticket bastard :evil: sale & see what comes up then CHOOSE to buy if I think they will be better seats. I would then get rid of the worse pair to some lucky fan who was shut out or to good friends that want to go! That being said 10c should try to do a better job with the seating when given the extra amount of tickets.. If 10c normally gets 10% & are now given an extra 20-50% for fan clubs ( his will not last when TM & LiveNation officially merger) then the people who get the 1st 10% on the pre-sale day should get those official GEM seats in seniority order. Everyone who got shut-out(low & high#s ) then gets the next batch of tickets again in seniority order so the Low 10c #'s who would have gotten shut -out (we all get shut-out time to time)are still in the building but are behind the lucky 10 clubbers who got in the 1st 10% of the pre-sale which is the normal allotment. Just my 2 cents. BTW I was lucky enough to be sitting in the 7th row Sunday with a good friend (75xxx) who feels the same way but will not complain about the chance(all day pre-sale) to get 5th-7th row seats. Peace
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took a lot of restraint to not just nudge them forward over the rail
How far did you travel to get to the show?
this is my issue with your posts. what is the relevance of this question? So you believe his/her amount of travel should be indicitive of the enjoyment he/she should have at the show and/or what he/she should expect from the 10C?
"I travelled x number of miles to see my favourite band and you walked across the street; I'm a bigger fan than you, so I deserve better treatment than you do!". If you were disappointed with your seats, fine. But your whining about how you deserve more than your average fan who may or may not be as obsessive about PJ and attacking of those that enjoyed the show is weakening your argument. You're coming off as a baby.
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You do realize that you are PROHIBITED from selling the 'worse' seats, if they were the 10C seats, right?
So your strategy is always buy 10C seats, then go through TM and buy another set of seats, then when you get to the venue, if your 10C seats are worse you just eat them? Wow. I wish I had your cash.
you pays your money and takes your chances
you NEVER know what the 10C seats are going to be like, NEVER
and thats part of the process that is buying 10C tix
sometimes they are great sometimes not
took a lot of restraint to not just nudge them forward over the rail
How far did you travel to get to the show?
this is my issue with your posts. what is the relevance of this question? So you believe his/her amount of travel should be indicitive of the enjoyment he/she should have at the show and/or what he/she should expect from the 10C?
"I travelled x number of miles to see my favourite band and you walked across the street; I'm a bigger fan than you, so I deserve better treatment than you do!". If you were disappointed with your seats, fine. But your whining about how you deserve more than your average fan who may or may not be as obsessive about PJ and attacking of those that enjoyed the show is weakening your argument. You're coming off as a baby.
My point is that if you are in 10C, you are a fan. If PJ is not coming anywhere near you, you are enough of a fan to travel and spend hundreds of dollars and lots of time to see a show. You do this because you believe in the band, and really like going to their shows. And, you "believe" that 10C is covering your back and that you'll have at least halfway decent seats.
Again, I don't understand your point about "the average fan". The average fan buys their seats through TM, not 10C. Do you not understand this? With TM, if the show is 1000 miles away, and you are offered seats in the back of the upper deck, you say "Oh Well", and you skip the show, OR, you suck it up and buy the nosebleeds KNOWING WHAT YOU ARE BUYING. Then you are free to try to find better seats. With 10C, you don't know until just before the show that your seats suck, then you are PROHIBITED from selling them to cover your losses if you decide to get better seats from a scalper, or in the case of the Chicago shows, from the freaking ticket window. Have you ever been to a show through 10C? Do you understand the rules?
You do realize that you are PROHIBITED from selling the 'worse' seats, if they were the 10C seats, right?
So your strategy is always buy 10C seats, then go through TM and buy another set of seats, then when you get to the venue, if your 10C seats are worse you just eat them? Wow. I wish I had your cash.
WRONG.
"Tickets purchased through Ten Club, LLC are intended for personal use only. We strictly prohibit the reselling of any tickets purchased through Ten Club, LLC for more than the purchase price."
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You do realize that you are PROHIBITED from selling the 'worse' seats, if they were the 10C seats, right?
So your strategy is always buy 10C seats, then go through TM and buy another set of seats, then when you get to the venue, if your 10C seats are worse you just eat them? Wow. I wish I had your cash.
Your allowed to sell the 10c seats for COST! I would NEVER sell them for profit, BAD KARMA!
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you pays your money and takes your chances
you NEVER know what the 10C seats are going to be like, NEVER
and thats part of the process that is buying 10C tix
sometimes they are great sometimes not
really, that's all there is to it
Thanks for making my point. This is a change from the past. Remember, we are not talking about getting 25th row instead of 10th, or sides instead of floor. You now run the risk of getting the WORST SEATS IN THE VENUE, and when the venue is arena sized, those seats truly suck.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the Philly shows are similarly oversold. If you have been in 10C less than five years, and you have 10C seats for Philly, you should really, really think twice about traveling any significant distance to the shows unless you are prepared to sit in the rafters. Assume you will be 3rd level, back of the venue. If you can deal with that, fine. If not, I'd be calling 10C and asking for a refund.
no, I have not been to a show through the 10C. I just joined again a month ago. They never come to my neck of the woods. I have been to only 3 shows. 93 (Gimli), 2003 (Fargo), 2005 (Winnipeg). But again, how is that relevant?
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tee hee. who's a good boy santos? YOU ARE!
BAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Ahhhh what a dickhead!
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thats cool. maybe that was you that waved at me sarcastically in hartford last year because you guys didn't like a comment that i made on the last board.
I'm just happy I get to see them play, even if I have to drive six hours to get there. The shows are always so much fun.
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Now why doesn't that surprise me? Can I take back the post where I said I'd shut up and get off this guy's back?
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If so, can you please give an explanation for the Sunday 10C seating debacle?
Here is why you need to do this: people are really pissed. MANY, MANY people traveled to that show, and got upper deck, way in back seats, when day of show there were decent seats on TM. Trust me, NO ONE around me in 303 was happy. They may not be posting their disappointment here, but there were a lot of very unhappy people. This incident tends to throw into doubt any reason to travel to ANY show with 10C tickets. Put yourself in the shoes of the people who traveled for days and spent hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Imagine going into the venue, up three escalators, and out to your seats, and realizing that 95% of the people in the building had better tickets. You can't blame people for being pissed. These are hard core fans, not someone who liked "Alive" fifteen years ago and are checking PJ off their band bucket list.
If the explanation is that someone fucked up, fine. Just let everyone know that this is *not* going to be what to expect going forward.
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surrounded by whiners in the 300's
took a lot of restraint to not just nudge them forward over the rail
:shock: Wow! That is a really brutal image. That guy is just going to town on that poor horse :?
Casual fans didn't buy 10C tickets, did they?
The point is this: if you buy a shitty ticket from TM, you KNOW you are buying a shitty ticket. You are getting what you asked for. You can reject the ticket if you want. I would not personally travel for any distance to sit in the upper deck, back of a cavernous arena for ANY band. I've been going to shows since the mid-70's, and I passed on dozens of bands for that very reason, including the Stones, The Who, and Aerosmith.
Look, I'm just laying it out here. Instead of the proclamation on the 10C site that says they will do their "darndest" to get the "best" seats, there should be this warning:
WARNING TO 10C MEMBERS: YOUR SEATS COULD BE ANYWHERE, INCLUDING THE VERY BACK AND VERY TOP OF SOME OF THE VERY LARGEST VENUES PJ PLAYS. IF YOU HAVE A HIGH FAN CLUB NUMBER, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY NOT BOTHER WITH 10C SEATS, AND GET TICKETS THROUGH NORMAL CHANNELS INSTEAD. THANK YOU.
How far did you travel to get to the show?
you need to be told / ( typed ) this ?
even with a decent fanclub number this should always be on standby .
c'mon man
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yeah it's pretty obvious when the 10c Tix don't have a ticketmaster logo and/or the $9.90 TM charge on them
if you got 10c tix with that you might have an argument....otherwise you don't
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It looks like there were A LOT of 10c tix bought for Sunday - forcing the higher numbers, well, higher. Anyone who bought Philly 10c tix and have numbers on the high side better be ready to be looking down on the guys. A pity so much complaining is going on - they were still great shows and awesome times. People need to see the forest for the trees...
very well said. As has been mentioned, when you buy a ticket on ticketmaster, it tells you "section 317, row 25, seat 4" or something, and then you chose whether or not having that seat is worth the money to you. We don't know our ten club seats until well after they are purchased, but, most of us feel that is ok, because while they probably won't be way up front, they will be fairly decent and with other ten club members. When you add the possibility of being in the last row way up in the stands, you add risk to the ten club purchase that frankly is not part of the ticketmaster purchase. If it is now possible to get the worst seats in the house through the ten club, it much more economic to purchase through ticketmaster. Sad to say, but it's true. After this, I don't know if I should buy my tickets through the ten club in the future. In the end I probably will, but that risk is an additional cost. That's not feeling "entitled" that's wanting to make an informed purchase at low risk and and receiving the product I expect for my $70.
Sheesh, way to encourage new memberships, pretty sure 10C didn't invite you to the last sales meeting
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this is my issue with your posts. what is the relevance of this question? So you believe his/her amount of travel should be indicitive of the enjoyment he/she should have at the show and/or what he/she should expect from the 10C?
"I travelled x number of miles to see my favourite band and you walked across the street; I'm a bigger fan than you, so I deserve better treatment than you do!". If you were disappointed with your seats, fine. But your whining about how you deserve more than your average fan who may or may not be as obsessive about PJ and attacking of those that enjoyed the show is weakening your argument. You're coming off as a baby.
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So your strategy is always buy 10C seats, then go through TM and buy another set of seats, then when you get to the venue, if your 10C seats are worse you just eat them? Wow. I wish I had your cash.
you NEVER know what the 10C seats are going to be like, NEVER
and thats part of the process that is buying 10C tix
sometimes they are great sometimes not
really, that's all there is to it
My point is that if you are in 10C, you are a fan. If PJ is not coming anywhere near you, you are enough of a fan to travel and spend hundreds of dollars and lots of time to see a show. You do this because you believe in the band, and really like going to their shows. And, you "believe" that 10C is covering your back and that you'll have at least halfway decent seats.
Again, I don't understand your point about "the average fan". The average fan buys their seats through TM, not 10C. Do you not understand this? With TM, if the show is 1000 miles away, and you are offered seats in the back of the upper deck, you say "Oh Well", and you skip the show, OR, you suck it up and buy the nosebleeds KNOWING WHAT YOU ARE BUYING. Then you are free to try to find better seats. With 10C, you don't know until just before the show that your seats suck, then you are PROHIBITED from selling them to cover your losses if you decide to get better seats from a scalper, or in the case of the Chicago shows, from the freaking ticket window. Have you ever been to a show through 10C? Do you understand the rules?
WRONG.
"Tickets purchased through Ten Club, LLC are intended for personal use only. We strictly prohibit the reselling of any tickets purchased through Ten Club, LLC for more than the purchase price."
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Constant Recoil..Sometimes life, Don't leave you alone
When the anxious is the present, unwrap your gifts, take your time
Thanks for making my point. This is a change from the past. Remember, we are not talking about getting 25th row instead of 10th, or sides instead of floor. You now run the risk of getting the WORST SEATS IN THE VENUE, and when the venue is arena sized, those seats truly suck.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the Philly shows are similarly oversold. If you have been in 10C less than five years, and you have 10C seats for Philly, you should really, really think twice about traveling any significant distance to the shows unless you are prepared to sit in the rafters. Assume you will be 3rd level, back of the venue. If you can deal with that, fine. If not, I'd be calling 10C and asking for a refund.
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no, I have not been to a show through the 10C. I just joined again a month ago. They never come to my neck of the woods. I have been to only 3 shows. 93 (Gimli), 2003 (Fargo), 2005 (Winnipeg). But again, how is that relevant?
yes, I know the rules. I read them when I joined. Obviously you didn't. End of story.
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