All Concerts Should Be Lottery

Wilds

aklobo29 wrote:

Agreed, I'm an older guy with a family now (46 years old now). I have seen about 26 shows over 18 years in 4 countries. I was there for one of their first shows (Woodsmen's Hall, Eugene, OR 1991). Been a fan since. Have gotten lucky getting tickets over the years, however, since I have only recently joined the 10C (sad, I know), I have found it difficult to score tickets to the upcoming shows -- again all this based on seniority. Lottery or some other way is neccessary. But what would this be??

How about rows 1, 2, 9, and 10 are lottery and all other seats go by seniority.

Sounds good to me. :ugeek:

Cosmo

aklobo29 wrote:

Agreed, I'm an older guy with a family now (46 years old now). I have seen about 26 shows over 18 years in 4 countries. I was there for one of their first shows (Woodsmen's Hall, Eugene, OR 1991). Been a fan since. Have gotten lucky getting tickets over the years, however, since I have only recently joined the 10C (sad, I know), I have found it difficult to score tickets to the upcoming shows -- again all this based on seniority. Lottery or some other way is neccessary. But what would this be??

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Even so... you were still able to see them 26 times (i don't know how many without the assistance of the Fan Club), but you still got tickets, right? And people can STILL get tickets without being in the Fan Club.
What the Fan Club provides is an alternative to the traditional (TicketMonster) method of attaining tickets. It is a GREAT service that the Fan Club is not obligated to provide. Yet, look at the amount of grief they get... for providing a service they really don't need to provide.
Yeah... i know, people would drop out of the club if the ticket deal was gone and revenues would drop... i know that. But, what does that tell you about the fans that would do that? I mean, i would still pay... just because i love the band. I admit to originally joining the Club just so i could get tickets without the hassles of ChargeLine or TicketMaster outlets at the MusicPlus. But, if they were to drop the ticket thing today... I'd still pay. I like getting the singles and the newsletters and think they are worth the price.

Jeff Murray

pkh43 wrote:

Paid their dues? They pay a fee once a year. That is not paying your dues. I do think that it should be a one or two show limit. Not the same loonies taking up all the front row seats.

You're absolutely right! All they did was pay dues for years and kept the fanclub in operation. Without those paying dues there would not be a Ten Club, hence no fan club tickets. So let's erase the history of those dues and enjoy fighting the scalpers for all the tickets.

Jeanwah

This is what Ed said at Albany '06...

"...why do I see the same faces right here every show...shouldn't you guys be out getting laid?"

Hence, reason enough to have a lottery at all shows. The band gets bored seeing the same faces in front at every show.

MayDay10

I like the lottery as it is. The rows given are plenty to give an opportunity for all... while really not providing anyone with a valid complaint.

If they went the 1st 15 rows, +, then I think people would have reason to get upset.

Black-12

Mrs.Vedder78 wrote:

YieldToNothing wrote:

people who've paid there dues should be rewarded.

+1

+2

teskeinc

dont you think people buying tix on ticketbastard could have the same argument? why shouldnt they have a chance at the front row either? tix are all the same price anywhere in the building. whether you favor seniority or full lottery you are still arguing entitlement.

i think the current system works the best, i have a decent # 138xxx and have paid my dues (waiting hours during the block distribution era on day of the show) im usually row 8-13 these days which is fine with me. your argument is going to be based on your situation (#) on how you feel the policy should be. low #s want seniority , high #s want random. no one really cares who Ed looks at each night or about the poor guy who has a 400xxx #. its just a selfish argument.

force-10

Jeanwah wrote:

This is what Ed said at Albany '06...

"...why do I see the same faces right here every show...shouldn't you guys be out getting laid?"

Hence, reason enough to have a lottery at all shows. The band gets bored seeing the same faces in front at every show.

He really said that? Vedder has a very dark type of humor, huh? It´s funny, but I bet some might have felt bad. Like in that showbox dvd, when he asked if a fan from chile was there. Afterwards he mentioned his dog shitting on the neighbors lawn, and then said he could give the piece of dog crap to the chilean dude as a souveneir. My first reaction was: what an asshole!

mbangel10

BeerBaron wrote:

aNiMaL wrote:

Your attitude is indicative of an entire narcissistic generation of people who were raised with the false reinforcement that you were special no matter what you did, and there are no winners or losers. Which of course was all a lie and in no way prepared anyone for the real world. The real world where you have to pay your dues and work your way to the top. You are not just simply entitled to it just because your mommy told you that you were special. I see it in the workplace a lot too. Kids come in and are flabbergasted when they do not get hired right out of the box to the director level positions.

Like it or not, but life is one big seniority list. The longer you have been around, the better seats you will get.

ScottBravesFan

yearsofstatic wrote:

After watching a number of bootlegs of shows in which seating was based upon seniority in the 10Club, I have come to the conclusion that all shows should be lottery based. I have seen too many songs where the front row just stands there. Must be a huge buzzkill. Look at me. I've been a fan since 94. This song sucks. Let me stand here. Fuck you. Give everybody a chance to be there. Let me sell it on Craigslist. If you're a real fan, you don't need to be right there. You just need to be there. If you get to be in the front that rocks.

Pearl Jam is about the energy they create. Giving those people who might never dream of being in front creates even more energy than those who are so used to being there. A lottery would mix it up. Instead of saying, "Hey man I've sat next to you at the past 10 concerts because of our number." It would be, "Hey, how did you get into Pearl Jam?" Call it the rantings of someone who would never get close to the front. Call it the ramblings of someone who doesn't care when you became a fan of Pearl Jam, just that you're a fan.

The lottery of the first two rows and the 8th and 9th doesn't cut it. Maybe if some people know they won't be sitting in the first five rows, they might open up some more tickets to those who just want to be there. To feel the energy. Not to be with those who take a piss when they hear a song they've already heard. To be with those who want to see the band. Who want to make their own connection with them and their fans.

I'll be sitting in the back, because that's where you feel the rush of the crowd. Not standing idly by at the barricade when they play songs that have meant so much to so many people.

Thanks for giving me a lesson on how to enjoy the band since you have been in the fan club since 2008 according to your profile. Good job but I've been in this thing for 11 years and I've paid my dues every year I deserve to sit closer than you. And people just don't stand there that are on the first row either, no one just stands there in the fan club. I have no idea what show you went to that was like that but I've seen them for years and never seen anyone just standing there watching the band.

Mrs.Vedder78

ScottBravesFan wrote:

yearsofstatic wrote:

After watching a number of bootlegs of shows in which seating was based upon seniority in the 10Club, I have come to the conclusion that all shows should be lottery based. I have seen too many songs where the front row just stands there. Must be a huge buzzkill. Look at me. I've been a fan since 94. This song sucks. Let me stand here. Fuck you. Give everybody a chance to be there. Let me sell it on Craigslist. If you're a real fan, you don't need to be right there. You just need to be there. If you get to be in the front that rocks.

Pearl Jam is about the energy they create. Giving those people who might never dream of being in front creates even more energy than those who are so used to being there. A lottery would mix it up. Instead of saying, "Hey man I've sat next to you at the past 10 concerts because of our number." It would be, "Hey, how did you get into Pearl Jam?" Call it the rantings of someone who would never get close to the front. Call it the ramblings of someone who doesn't care when you became a fan of Pearl Jam, just that you're a fan.

The lottery of the first two rows and the 8th and 9th doesn't cut it. Maybe if some people know they won't be sitting in the first five rows, they might open up some more tickets to those who just want to be there. To feel the energy. Not to be with those who take a piss when they hear a song they've already heard. To be with those who want to see the band. Who want to make their own connection with them and their fans.

I'll be sitting in the back, because that's where you feel the rush of the crowd. Not standing idly by at the barricade when they play songs that have meant so much to so many people.

Thanks for giving me a lesson on how to enjoy the band since you have been in the fan club since 2008 according to your profile. Good job but I've been in this thing for 11 years and I've paid my dues every year I deserve to sit closer than you. And people just don't stand there that are on the first row either, no one just stands there in the fan club. I have no idea what show you went to that was like that but I've seen them for years and never seen anyone just standing there watching the band.

The join date on the board doesn't really mean when you joined the 10C though, mine shows 2005, though I joined 1993 and when i lapsed I rejoined on 2000. The 2005 on my profile comes from when I created a second board name on the old board.

mfc2006

Mrs.Vedder78 wrote:

The join date on the board doesn't really mean when you joined the 10C though, mine shows 2005, though I joined 1993 and when i lapsed I rejoined on 2000. The 2005 on my profile comes from when I created a second board name on the old board.

yup. well said!

Mrs.Vedder78

corduroykelly wrote:

I agree it doesn't matter when you got in the 10c it doesn't mean your any less of a fan lottery is best for all. I mean think of the younger fans too they get shit seats because when pearl jam's first album dropped they were wiping placenta off of their face.

Seniority has nothing to do with who is the bigger fan... that's the way life rolls why should senior members get worse seats because someone else was born in 1992?

There is a lottery and newer members have a shot at sitting there, I think that's more than fair.

Mrs.Vedder78

Cosmo wrote:

This way, ALL fans of ALL ages will get the same shot as ALL people looking to get the best seats in the house. Seniority will no longer matter and those 'priviledged' AARP members will no longer be ruining everyone else's enjoyment of the gigs.

LOL!!!

Gary Carter

Mrs.Vedder78 wrote:

corduroykelly wrote:

I agree it doesn't matter when you got in the 10c it doesn't mean your any less of a fan lottery is best for all. I mean think of the younger fans too they get shit seats because when pearl jam's first album dropped they were wiping placenta off of their face.

Seniority has nothing to do with who is the bigger fan... that's the way life rolls why should senior members get worse seats because someone else was born in 1992?

There is a lottery and newer members have a shot at sitting there, I think that's more than fair.

Agreed and I've had 2 shitty 10c numbers now. had I known what that 10c address on the last page of the cd booklets was all about after all these years I woulda had a good 10c#. That wouldn't have been bad for a 23 year old.

bazzer

ScottBravesFan wrote:

Thanks for giving me a lesson on how to enjoy the band since you have been in the fan club since 2008 according to your profile. Good job but I've been in this thing for 11 years and I've paid my dues every year I deserve to sit closer than you. And people just don't stand there that are on the first row either, no one just stands there in the fan club. I have no idea what show you went to that was like that but I've seen them for years and never seen anyone just standing there watching the band.

I'm in the fan club, and I stand there watching the band. That's just how I am. On the inside, I'm rocking hard out. So, it does happen. Doesn't mean we aren't enjoying it as much as the next guy. My front row centre experience is something I wouldn't trade for anything.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

I love how some of you people just foam at the mouth, with the thought of giving more people a chance to sit up close.

Robbuke

im 17, born in 91 and it kinda sucks to know i will never get close but hey whatever atleast i have an oppertunity to experience PJ and i have good seats to the shows compared to what i would have if i didnt belong to the TC

Wilds

Robbuke wrote:

im 17, born in 91 and it kinda sucks to know i will never get close but hey whatever atleast i have an oppertunity to experience PJ and i have good seats to the shows compared to what i would have if i didnt belong to the TC

The lottery works for a lot of people. Hopefully you will hit it one day. (me too)

Robbuke

Yea man thatd be awsome hopefully we could hit it goodluck to you.