All Concerts Should Be Lottery

Mrs.Vedder78

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

I would love to see a lottery system used for the first 10-15 rows...

I dont care how long you have been a member, or how you have "paid your dues".....

Give everyone, young and old, a chance to get up close..............

I dont see your argument though SPEEDY, up until not to long there was no chance to be up front AT ALL if you had a shitty number, now they've implemented the lottery on rows 1&2 and 9&10... but people always want more and more and more ... now its the first 15 rows, next time will be the whole floor should be lottery :S
People will always have something to whine about.

I joined in 1993, I dont even remember that we had a number back then and when we finally did it didnt really matter that much anyways because most of the gigs were GA... my membership lapsed in late 1998 (which I will blame on my ex-husband) and I renewed on 2000, so its not like I'm here talking like someone that sits in first row.
Mind you if we had 15th rows of lottery maybe I would be closer in some venues (like in the NE), but if I dont win the lottery that means im 15 rows further back what i would usually be (which wouldnt be 16th row!) if my membership hadn't lapsed I wouldn't be amused to be on row 20 or side stage because of 15 rows of lottery for people that joined 15 years after I did.

People wanted a shot at being up close the 10C listened and they have it now, 10C has mentioned to others by email that this will be the norm from now on, what more else does everyone want?

Mrs.Vedder78

IamMine wrote:

I just spoke with my soon to be 14 years old daughter...she sensed I was bothered, so I explained what the argument was about on the PJ board.

Don't let it get to you though, I leave it all on the computer screen, it's not worth taking it with you anywhere else.

dimitrispearljam

Mrs.Vedder78 wrote:

aNiMaL wrote:

Your attitude is indicative of an entire narcissistic generation of people who were raised with the false reinforcement that you were special no matter what you did, and there are no winners or losers. Which of course was all a lie and in no way prepared anyone for the real world. The real world where you have to pay your dues and work your way to the top. You are not just simply entitled to it just because your mommy told you that you were special. I see it in the workplace a lot too. Kids come in and are flabbergasted when they do not get hired right out of the box to the director level positions.

Like it or not, but life is one big seniority list. The longer you have been around, the better seats you will get.

BRAVO!!

BRAVO it is!!!!!

dimitrispearljam

and for me for the moment im in the concert no problem..the issue is to have the money and days off the work and be in the concert..and if i win the lotary ,,will be just awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!

IamMine

Mrs.Vedder78 wrote:

IamMine wrote:

I just spoke with my soon to be 14 years old daughter...she sensed I was bothered, so I explained what the argument was about on the PJ board.

Don't let it get to you though, I leave it all on the computer screen, it's not worth taking it with you anywhere else.

You are right. :oops:

I get way too sentimental.... too easily. :(

It's also an indication that I need to step away for a while and cool off.

Thanks for the note, I appreciate it.

You can remind me again anytime...I do appreciate it when I lose sight of things and would have wanted someone to whack me to get me back on the track - even if I get pissed off but I'd thank you later.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

IamMine wrote:

honestly, Speedy....with your attitude I've been seeing and if I was single with 50xxx, I wouldn't probably want to share with you with the way you've been talking. :P

I cant begin to tell you how much I dont give a fuck what you think of me and my attitude.

I was having a simple conversation with animal about the 10club lottery. I gave my opinion and he gave his. It was a simple discussion. Nobody INSULTED anyone. Right?

And what makes you think after reading a few of your comments that you have directed at me over the last few months, that i would want to be in the same fucking building as you? More or less share fucking seats with you? If you dont like what I have to say, or you dont like my opinion, thats fine. But try (if possible) to keep your personal insults to your fucking self.

IamMine

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

IamMine wrote:

honestly, Speedy....with your attitude I've been seeing and if I was single with 50xxx, I wouldn't probably want to share with you with the way you've been talking. :P

I cant begin to tell you how much I dont give a fuck what you think of me and my attitude.

I was having a simple conversation with animal about the 10club lottery. I gave my opinion and he gave his. It was a simple discussion. Nobody INSULTED anyone. Right?

And what makes you think after reading a few of your comments that you have directed at me over the last few months, that i would want to be in the same fucking building as you? More or less share fucking seats with you? If you dont like what I have to say, or you dont like my opinion, thats fine. But try (if possible) to keep your personal insults to your fucking self.

It's not the differing opinion that bothers me...and really for the most part I do pretty good in ignoring you. It's your tone and looking down on people.

And you have insulted me in the past... and I shouldn't have given "an eye to eye" here...because that doesn't make me a better person than you are. We are equals here.

So for that insult or any other insults i have made, I do apologize and I'll keep to myself from now on.

Carry on -

julesandian

I don't get the issue.

If you don't like the system, quit the 10c and buy the best seats you can get through general sales. I have been a fan since the beginning, since Mother Love Bone, but I was 14 then. I couldn't afford to, and was not allowed by parents to go to rock shows (religous objections to devil music - haha) so I missed out on all the early gigs, but I managed to get to France in '96, Wembley in 2000, and then again in '07. This mini tour is my first 10c tickets, and although I have been a member on here on and off for a few years, my current 10c number is.....drum roll in the 400,000's.

That's life.

I would love front row seats, but you know what, I'm not entitled. (lottery aside)

Dude, I know it sucks at times, but you can't judge the way others enjoy their experiance at a show. Some people rock out with their cocks out, others sway to the vibes, others scream and shout. All are valid, all are to be respected by others.

South of Seattle wrote:

I am EXTREMELY grateful to Pearl Jam and their Fan Club. Mostly because i have already outlived the lives of many, many bands and I know this is all going to end some day. So, I'll take whatever they are offering me today with a most sincere, "Thank You".

This is whats important.

I never got to see Kurt Cobain live, I had a ticket for the Euro tour the year he died but....

I'm just grateful to see the band I love.

YieldToNothing

i consider myself lucky to just be in the same building as pearl jam.

the sense of entitlement in this thread is fucking ridiculous.

PJ_Hawkeye

aNiMaL wrote:

yearsofstatic wrote:

My problem is not with the people standing idly at the front, it's with knowing that those people are there simply because they've paid more money to the fan club over the years.

Your attitude is indicative of an entire narcissistic generation of people who were raised with the false reinforcement that you were special no matter what you did, and there are no winners or losers. Which of course was all a lie and in no way prepared anyone for the real world. The real world where you have to pay your dues and work your way to the top. You are not just simply entitled to it just because your mommy told you that you were special. I see it in the workplace a lot too. Kids come in and are flabbergasted when they do not get hired right out of the box to the director level positions.

Like it or not, but life is one big seniority list. The longer you have been around, the better seats you will get.

Really? This is the worst post I've ever read.

PJ_Hawkeye

I am 26. I joined the TC in 2000 and I was in highschool, I was broke, an idiot, and enjoying life...I forgot to renew, TWICE. I could have a better number, but oh well...I enjoy the shows no matter where I am.

I was lucky enough to get into the show at The Vic...I think this was easily the best show I will ever see in my life and I am very thankful that I got in. One of the coolest things about the concert for me was this kid next to me. I met him in line and he was maybe 18. He knew all the words (like me) and was having a blast. To see someone younger than me, rocking out, knowing and discovering this great band, and having the time of their life, was sweet.

That Kid, and myself, NEVER would have got into that show with seniority...

I have TC tickets for the upcoming Chicago shows, I'll be in the back of the floor, but I will be having one hell of a time...staring at older people who were raised better than me, I guess.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Mrs.Vedder78 wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

I would love to see a lottery system used for the first 10-15 rows...

I dont care how long you have been a member, or how you have "paid your dues".....

Give everyone, young and old, a chance to get up close..............

I dont see your argument though SPEEDY, up until not to long there was no chance to be up front AT ALL if you had a shitty number, now they've implemented the lottery on rows 1&2 and 9&10... but people always want more and more and more ... now its the first 15 rows, next time will be the whole floor should be lottery :S
People will always have something to whine about.

I joined in 1993, I dont even remember that we had a number back then and when we finally did it didnt really matter that much anyways because most of the gigs were GA... my membership lapsed in late 1998 (which I will blame on my ex-husband) and I renewed on 2000, so its not like I'm here talking like someone that sits in first row.
Mind you if we had 15th rows of lottery maybe I would be closer in some venues (like in the NE), but if I dont win the lottery that means im 15 rows further back what i would usually be (which wouldnt be 16th row!) if my membership hadn't lapsed I wouldn't be amused to be on row 20 or side stage because of 15 rows of lottery for people that joined 15 years after I did.

People wanted a shot at being up close the 10C listened and they have it now, 10C has mentioned to others by email that this will be the norm from now on, what more else does everyone want?

I dont have an argument about this issue...

I have an opinion.......

And my opinion is...

I would LOVE to see the 10club give more people an oppurtunity to sit up close. Instead of just 4 rows being lottery, I would love to see the first 15-20 rows be lottery.

Thats all there is to it. Just my opinion.

Gary Carter

YieldToNothing wrote:

i consider myself lucky to just be in the same building as pearl jam.

the sense of entitlement in this thread is fucking ridiculous.

would you expect anything less from pj fans. I agree with you.



If being front row means that much to people then ask around the board what peoples 10c # are and if they have a extra. Whining like a pussy on a board that's mostly filled with 30-45 year old people isn't gonna get anywhere.

Fastrichie

"That Kid, and myself, NEVER would have got into that show with seniority..."

What are you talking about?? Everyone here had the same chance to get into the Vic whether your # was 59000 or 450000. Seniority has nothing to do w/ getting the tickets. Mine is 106xxx and I didn't get tix. And believe me I tried.

Mrs.Vedder78

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Mrs.Vedder78 wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

I would love to see a lottery system used for the first 10-15 rows...

I dont care how long you have been a member, or how you have "paid your dues".....

Give everyone, young and old, a chance to get up close..............

I dont see your argument though SPEEDY, up until not to long there was no chance to be up front AT ALL if you had a shitty number, now they've implemented the lottery on rows 1&2 and 9&10... but people always want more and more and more ... now its the first 15 rows, next time will be the whole floor should be lottery :S
People will always have something to whine about.

I joined in 1993, I dont even remember that we had a number back then and when we finally did it didnt really matter that much anyways because most of the gigs were GA... my membership lapsed in late 1998 (which I will blame on my ex-husband) and I renewed on 2000, so its not like I'm here talking like someone that sits in first row.
Mind you if we had 15th rows of lottery maybe I would be closer in some venues (like in the NE), but if I dont win the lottery that means im 15 rows further back what i would usually be (which wouldnt be 16th row!) if my membership hadn't lapsed I wouldn't be amused to be on row 20 or side stage because of 15 rows of lottery for people that joined 15 years after I did.

People wanted a shot at being up close the 10C listened and they have it now, 10C has mentioned to others by email that this will be the norm from now on, what more else does everyone want?

I dont have an argument about this issue...

I have an opinion.......

And my opinion is...

I would LOVE to see the 10club give more people an oppurtunity to sit up close. Instead of just 4 rows being lottery, I would love to see the first 15-20 rows be lottery.

Thats all there is to it. Just my opinion.

I didnt mean you were arguing, I just think that the more we get the more we will want, if they make the first 15 rows lottery next people are going to ask for is the whole floor as a lottery and when that happens people are gonna want the whole damn thing to be lottery.

We have 4 rows for those who joined late, and for those like me that let a membership expire, the people that kept their membership up to date through high school, through college and everything else that was going on in their life deserve the seats they get. That's my opinion

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Mrs.Vedder78 wrote:

I didnt mean you were arguing, I just think that the more we get the more we will want, if they make the first 15 rows lottery next people are going to ask for is the whole floor as a lottery and when that happens people are gonna want the whole damn thing to be lottery.

We have 4 rows for those who joined late, and for those like me that let a membership expire, the people that kept their membership up to date through high school, through college and everything else that was going on in their life deserve the seats they get. That's my opinion

Well, I guess we have different opinions on the subject.

Mrs.Vedder78

PJ_Hawkeye wrote:

That Kid, and myself, NEVER would have got into that show with seniority...

Seniority has never determined whether you get or not tkts to a show, and Im pretty confident it never will, so that point your making there is not really valid.

Seniority determines where you sit (which didnt really matter at the Vic either) and I dont know why its so hard for people to accept that if they joined late, or let their membership expire or were born on the wrong decade they will get worse seats that someone who has been paying a membership for 18 years..

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Mrs.Vedder78 wrote:

PJ_Hawkeye wrote:

That Kid, and myself, NEVER would have got into that show with seniority...

Seniority has never determined whether you get or not tkts to a show, and Im pretty confident it never will, so that point your making there is not really valid.

Seniority determines where you sit (which didnt really matter at the Vic either) and I dont know why its so hard for people to accept that if they joined late, or let their membership expire or were born on the wrong decade they will get worse seats that someone who has been paying a membership for 18 years..

I dont understand why people wouldnt agree that it would be a good thing, to let more fans, have an opportunity to sit up close. Being a member of the 10club has only guaranteed you a chance at getting seats. So lets give everyone the same chance at getting the first 15-20 rows. What harm would that do? Whats the big deal? So instead of some people seeing the band from the 3rd row, they might have to see the band from the 15th row. Its not the end of the world.

Mrs.Vedder78

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Mrs.Vedder78 wrote:

PJ_Hawkeye wrote:

That Kid, and myself, NEVER would have got into that show with seniority...

Seniority has never determined whether you get or not tkts to a show, and Im pretty confident it never will, so that point your making there is not really valid.

Seniority determines where you sit (which didnt really matter at the Vic either) and I dont know why its so hard for people to accept that if they joined late, or let their membership expire or were born on the wrong decade they will get worse seats that someone who has been paying a membership for 18 years..

I dont understand why people wouldnt agree that it would be a good thing, to let more fans, have an opportunity to sit up close. Being a member of the 10club has only guaranteed you a chance at getting seats. So lets give everyone the same chance at getting the first 15-20 rows. What harm would that do? Whats the big deal? So instead of some people seeing the band from the 3rd row, they might have to see the band from the 15th row. Its not the end of the world.

You first suggested 10-15 rows, now its 15-20 rows...? Should we make the whole floor available to lottery?

Look in my case I travel and go to shows in other towns, but I have many friends that don't, I have friends that see them only when they come to South Florida, so they should be on 20th or 25 row at the WPB amphitheater because some guy that joined last year traveled from another state to see the band and happened to win the lottery? I dont think so.

YieldToNothing

how would everyone feel about a "weighted lottery" where people who go/have gone to more shows (based on their 10c ticket order history) get bumped up?

does that sound fair?

let's say person A has been a member since 2002 but has bought tickets to 30 shows from the tenclub, does that entitle this person a closer spot than person B who has been in the tenclub since 1998 but has only bought 10c tickets to 5 shows?